Keyboard Shortcuts
Likes
Search
New to Group
Welcome Dan, please provide your callsign.? TNX! Dave wa3gin ?
|
My callsign is VE3FLK Dan
On Saturday, March 22, 2025 at 02:06:54 p.m. EDT, Dave Jordan via groups.io <wa3gin@...> wrote:
Welcome Dan, please provide your callsign.? TNX! Dave wa3gin ?
|
Hi Dan!? Jim K6LR, Minden NV
On Saturday, March 22, 2025 at 11:14:13 AM PDT, hrd998cc via groups.io <hrd998cc@...> wrote:
Hello Dan.? Welcome to the group!? Hope your Halli-gear brings you many hours of fun.? 73, Russ KW6T Mainly 40 meter AM.
On Saturday, March 22, 2025 at 11:01:14 AM PDT, dshack@... via groups.io <dshack@...> wrote:
joined the group and want to say hello Dan |
开云体育
What kind?of gear are you running??What is your biggest joy in ham radio?
Walt Cates, WD0GOF
?
From: [email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of dshack@... via groups.io <dshack@...>
Sent: Saturday, March 22, 2025 10:46 AM To: [email protected] <[email protected]> Subject: [HallicraftersRadios] New to Group ?
joined the group and want to say hello
Dan
|
I been licensed since 1967 and was raised on Halicrafters equipment currently have? SR-150 as that was my go to radio in the day and just walking down memory lane the biggest joy to me is all the changes in technology in this hobby Dan
On Saturday, March 22, 2025 at 04:47:33 p.m. EDT, waltcates via groups.io <cateswa@...> wrote:
What kind?of gear are you running??What is your biggest joy in ham radio?
Walt Cates, WD0GOF
?
A majority of acceptance is not proof of correctness.
From: [email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of dshack@... via groups.io <dshack@...>
Sent: Saturday, March 22, 2025 10:46 AM To: [email protected] <[email protected]> Subject: [HallicraftersRadios] New to Group ?
joined the group and want to say hello
Dan
|
开云体育
The 150 is a very fine radio. Welcome to the group.
Walt Cates, WD0GOF
?
From: [email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of dshack@... via groups.io <dshack@...>
Sent: Saturday, March 22, 2025 3:56 PM To: [email protected] <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [HallicraftersRadios] New to Group ?
I been licensed since 1967 and was raised on Halicrafters equipment
currently have? SR-150 as that was my go to radio in the day and just walking down memory lane
the biggest joy to me is all the changes in technology in this hobby
Dan
On Saturday, March 22, 2025 at 04:47:33 p.m. EDT, waltcates via groups.io <cateswa@...> wrote:
What kind?of gear are you running??What is your biggest joy in ham radio?
Walt Cates,
WD0GOF
?
A majority of acceptance is not proof of correctness.
From: [email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of dshack@... via groups.io <dshack@...>
Sent: Saturday, March 22, 2025 10:46 AM To: [email protected] <[email protected]> Subject: [HallicraftersRadios] New to Group ?
joined the group and want to say hello
Dan
|
开云体育It’s also contagious, so be even more careful! ? From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Paul Lemmon via groups.io
Sent: Sunday, March 23, 2025 9:49 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [HallicraftersRadios] New to Group ? Welcome to the group Dan, There is an amazing wealth of information on this group but be careful, collecting can be dangerous. ?I currently have 28 Halli radios on the shelf waiting to be restored. ?My novice receiver was a SX-25 back in ‘69. ?Have fun. -- Paul _._,_._,_ -- don??? va3drl |
Hallicrafters appealed to a very wide market, from broadcast
toggle quoted message
Show quoted text
receivers to professional communications equipment. They made much low cost gear that appealed to those who were just entering ham radio so a great many hams had Hallicrafters receivers to start with. For the most part it offered good value. Hallicrafters also realized the importance of making gear that was attractive visually. Some of it was of classic design. So, not only is it fondly remembered but is very attractive to collect and restore. Bill Halligan found a very successful combination of markets and, until the Japanese and others blew out the U.S. manufacturing, was one of the most successful companies in the business. I am another who started with Hallicrafters (an S-38B). On 3/23/2025 11:01 AM, don Root wrote: It’s also contagious, so be even more careful! --
Richard Knoppow Los Angeles WB6KBL SKCC 19998 |
开云体育Richard, now that you mention? “curb appeal” at which model did Halli begin to emphasize appearance? Here are some features, looking at Dachis’ book: Early cabinets were wooden, dials seem to be? exposed rotating pointers over 360 degree circular scales dials , knobs along the bottom and at other places all depending on the model no. ?some front panel plates ??were flush with the cabinet front or slightly recessed or overlapping [as a rackmount] ??? The S-9/sx-9 begins the exposed rotating scale with dangling ?metal pointer The 5-T looks like the first all metal front plate panel and metal cabinet, and ??a glass protected pointer over a new styled illuminated scale? The S-14 seems to have the front rounded onto the side ?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? The S-16 began those decorative side strips ?and an S-meter with a matching window/bezel ? for the bandspread The S-19 ?speaker began having a plastic hanging pointer and an “h” over the grille screen ? The s-20R began the recessed, and mostly covered dial The SX-23 is a strong contender when it comes to appearance? side louver strips[real louvers?] but mostly the dial cover extended out to cover the band spread and the S-meter It was not until the SX 28 until the front-upper corner was more rounded? Earlier models ?had a front panel plate which then was flush with the cabinet front or slightly recessed or overlapping [as a rackmount] ?then ?the radio front began to rap around onto the sidesetc ? ? When it comes to competitors the NC-2-40D and speaker is high on the list ? _,_ -- don??? va3drl |
AFAIK, all of the hallicrafters listed below have metal front panels and are housed in metal cases.? The S-10 / SX-10 did have an optional mahogany?case that the metal case slipped into but I doubt that any were actually sold.? If the production numbers are correct, at one time I owned 1.5% of production!? That would be three of them out of some 200 reportedly made. Still have two. The 5T is an odd one.? It uses all big pin tubes so it is obviously a much earlier design.? It is either the first or fourth superhetrodyne design sold by hallicrafters. hallicrafters receiver models Information gleaned from Max de Henseler and Chuck Dachis books S-1, S-2, S-3 TRF-regen, 5 tubes, manufactured by Silver-Marshall?, 1934 S or SX-4, -5, -6 Superhetrodyne, 7 tubes, manufactured by Silver-Marshall?, 1935 S-7, 8 tubes P-P audio, made by Howard?, 1935 S-7A, Super Seven, Airline Professional Model 37, 7 tubes, made by Howard?, 1935 S-8A, 8 tubes, made by Howard?, 1935 5T, 5 tubes, manufacturer?, 1936 S or SX-9, 9 tubes, first model made by hallicrafters, first 180 degree "silver" dial, 1936 S or SX-10, 10 tubes, first 338 degree dial. 1936 S or SX-11, 11 tubes , 1936 S or SX-12, 11 tubes, 1936 S-14,? 7 tubes, 1936 SX-15,? 9 tubes, 1937 S or SX-16, 11 tubes, 1938 SX-17,? 13 tubes, 1938 SX-18,? 9 tubes, 1938 S-19,? 5 tubes, 1938 3 bands, .5-18.5mc S-19R,? 6 tubes 1939 4 bands, .5-44mc S-20,? 8 tubes, 1938 S-20R,? 9 tubes, 1941 Covered Dial S-21, 8 tubes, 1936 S-22,? 8 tubes, 1938 S-22R,? 8 tubes, 1940 Covered Dial SX-23,? 11 tubes, 1939 SX-24,? 9 tubes, 1939 SX-25,? 12 tubes, 1940 S-27,? 15 tubes, 1940 SX-28,? 15 tubes, 1940 S-29,? 9 tubes, 1940 S-30,? 6 tubes, 1940 S-31,? 9 tubes, 1940 S-31A,? 6 tubes, 1940 SX-32,? 13 tubes, 1941 S-33,? 3 tubes, 1941 RE-1, EC-6, Sky Courier, 7 tubes, aka R-100, WW2 Morale Receiver, 1942 S-35,? 14 tubes, 1942 S-36,? 15 tubes, 1945 S-37,? 14 tubes, 1945 S-38,? 6 tubes, 1946 S-38A- 38F, 5 tubes, 1946 S-39,? 9 tubes, 1945 S-40-40A, 9 tubes, 1946 Jim Logic: Method used to arrive at the wrong conclusion, with confidence.? Murphy
On Sunday, March 23, 2025 at 05:47:22 PM CDT, don Root <drootofallevil@...> wrote:
Richard, now that you mention? “curb appeal” at which model did Halli begin to emphasize appearance? Here are some features, looking at Dachis’ book: Early cabinets were wooden, dials seem to be? exposed rotating pointers over 360 degree circular scales dials , knobs along the bottom and at other places all depending on the model no. ?some front panel plates ??were flush with the cabinet front or slightly recessed or overlapping [as a rackmount] ??? The S-9/sx-9 begins the exposed rotating scale with dangling ?metal pointer The 5-T looks like the first all metal front plate panel and metal cabinet, and ??a glass protected pointer over a new styled illuminated scale? The S-14 seems to have the front rounded onto the side ?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? The S-16 began those decorative side strips ?and an S-meter with a matching window/bezel ? for the bandspread The S-19 ?speaker began having a plastic hanging pointer and an “h” over the grille screen ? The s-20R began the recessed, and mostly covered dial The SX-23 is a strong contender when it comes to appearance? side louver strips[real louvers?] but mostly the dial cover extended out to cover the band spread and the S-meter It was not until the SX 28 until the front-upper corner was more rounded? Earlier models ?had a front panel plate which then was flush with the cabinet front or slightly recessed or overlapping [as a rackmount] ?then ?the radio front began to rap around onto the sidesetc ? ? When it comes to competitors the NC-2-40D and speaker is high on the list ? _,_ -- don??? va3drl |
开云体育Wow, I have not heard of Max (4U1UN) being mentioned in a long time. Used to know him well since he used to attend the Canandaigua AWA meets. I was not aware of his passion for Hallicrafters radios. He indeed had a passion for the Loewe OE333 receiver which uses the Loewe 3NF tube. Max liked to refer to it as the first integrated circuit. At one time he gave me a copy of the manuscript for his book on the OE-333, and it was never published. Wonder if anyone has a copy. I believe I may have the two rarest Hallicrafters radios, the S! and Curtis LeMay’s FPM-200. 73 – Mike ? Mike B. Feher, N4FS 89 Arnold Blvd. Howell NJ 07731 908-902-3831 ? From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Jim Whartenby via groups.io
Sent: Sunday, March 23, 2025 11:49 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [HallicraftersRadios] New to Group ? AFAIK, all of the hallicrafters listed below have metal front panels and are housed in metal cases.? The S-10 / SX-10 did have an optional mahogany?case that the metal case slipped into but I doubt that any were actually sold.? If the production numbers are correct, at one time I owned 1.5% of production!? That would be three of them out of some 200 reportedly made. Still have two. ? The 5T is an odd one.? It uses all big pin tubes so it is obviously a much earlier design.? It is either the first or fourth superhetrodyne design sold by hallicrafters. ? hallicrafters receiver models Information gleaned from Max de Henseler and Chuck Dachis books S-1, S-2, S-3 TRF-regen, 5 tubes, manufactured by Silver-Marshall?, 1934 S or SX-4, -5, -6 Superhetrodyne, 7 tubes, manufactured by Silver-Marshall?, 1935 S-7, 8 tubes P-P audio, made by Howard?, 1935 S-7A, Super Seven, Airline Professional Model 37, 7 tubes, made by Howard?, 1935 S-8A, 8 tubes, made by Howard?, 1935 5T, 5 tubes, manufacturer?, 1936 S or SX-9, 9 tubes, first model made by hallicrafters, first 180 degree "silver" dial, 1936 S or SX-10, 10 tubes, first 338 degree dial. 1936 S or SX-11, 11 tubes , 1936 S or SX-12, 11 tubes, 1936 S-14,? 7 tubes, 1936 SX-15,? 9 tubes, 1937 S or SX-16, 11 tubes, 1938 SX-17,? 13 tubes, 1938 SX-18,? 9 tubes, 1938 S-19,? 5 tubes, 1938 3 bands, .5-18.5mc S-19R,? 6 tubes 1939 4 bands, .5-44mc S-20,? 8 tubes, 1938 S-20R,? 9 tubes, 1941 Covered Dial S-21, 8 tubes, 1936 S-22,? 8 tubes, 1938 S-22R,? 8 tubes, 1940 Covered Dial SX-23,? 11 tubes, 1939 SX-24,? 9 tubes, 1939 SX-25,? 12 tubes, 1940 S-27,? 15 tubes, 1940 SX-28,? 15 tubes, 1940 S-29,? 9 tubes, 1940 S-30,? 6 tubes, 1940 S-31,? 9 tubes, 1940 S-31A,? 6 tubes, 1940 SX-32,? 13 tubes, 1941 S-33,? 3 tubes, 1941 RE-1, EC-6, Sky Courier, 7 tubes, aka R-100, WW2 Morale Receiver, 1942 S-35,? 14 tubes, 1942 S-36,? 15 tubes, 1945 S-37,? 14 tubes, 1945 S-38,? 6 tubes, 1946 S-38A- 38F, 5 tubes, 1946 S-39,? 9 tubes, 1945 S-40-40A, 9 tubes, 1946 ? Regards, Jim ? ? |
开云体育Hi Jim, I have been trying to reply but keep getting diverted. One problem is understanding the definition of a “big pin” tube. How big is “big”? ?I can find no definition. the 4,6,and older 7 Ing tubes have two ?0.156 ?[5/32?] inch pins and some .125 [1/8]inch pins but the 5 pin tube has only the smaller pins. ? Anyhow, I googled with “what is? a "big pin" radio tube?” ????and AI replied as follows” AI Overview A "big pin" radio tube, also known as a vacuum tube or electron tube, is a type of electronic device that uses the flow of electrons in a vacuum to control electrical signals, often used in older radio and audio equipment.? Here's a more detailed explanation:
A "big pin" radio tube is a type of vacuum tube, a device that uses the flow of electrons in a vacuum to control electrical signals.? ·? ·? How it works: Inside the tube, a heated filament (cathode) emits electrons, which are then controlled by a grid (a metal mesh) and attracted to a positively charged plate (anode).? ·? ·? Why it's called "big pin": The term "big pin" likely refers to the size and shape of the base or connector pins on the tube, which are larger than those on smaller tube types.? ·? ·? Examples: Some common "big pin" tube types include the 6L6, 6V6, 6K5, and 6C5.? ·? ·? Historical Context: Before the advent of semiconductor devices, vacuum tubes like these were widely used in various electronic applications, including radios, audio amplifiers, and television sets.? ·? ·? Modern Usage: While largely replaced by transistors and other solid-state devices, vacuum tubes are still used in some applications, particularly in audio amplifiers and specialized electronic equipment where their unique sound characteristics are desired.? ? More stuff later. ? From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Jim Whartenby via groups.io
Sent: Sunday, March 23, 2025 11:49 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [HallicraftersRadios] New to Group ? AFAIK, all of the hallicrafters listed below have metal front panels and are housed in metal cases.? The S-10 / SX-10 did have an optional mahogany?case that the metal case slipped into but I doubt that any were actually sold.? If the production numbers are correct, at one time I owned 1.5% of production!? That would be three of them out of some 200 reportedly made. Still have two. ? The 5T is an odd one.? It uses all big pin tubes so it is obviously a much earlier design.? It is either the first or fourth superhetrodyne design sold by hallicrafters. ? hallicrafters receiver models Information gleaned from Max de Henseler and Chuck Dachis books S-1, S-2, S-3 TRF-regen, 5 tubes, manufactured by Silver-Marshall?, 1934 ++++++++++++++++++++++
?
? _,_ -- don??? va3drl |
I always understood "big pin" tubes to be those made before octal
toggle quoted message
Show quoted text
sockets were introduced. Many octal tubes are essentially the same as earlier "big pin" tubes except for the sockets and dimensions of the glass envelopes. Big pin tubes could have four or more pins, as many as six (maybe more) and often top caps for grids or plate. The pins of big pin tubes were not all the same, usually two were larger to "key" the tubes so they would fit in only one way. I don't know the date when octal tubes were introduced, sometime around the mid 1930's I think. It seems to me that metal tubes were introduced not long afterward. A little later came "locktal" tubes, introduced by Zenith (again by memory and could be wrong). These were similar to octal base except had locking pins and a metal base. Many similar types were made with both bases (and different numbers). Loktal base tubes were popular for automobile radios where they tended to be more firmly connected. On 4/2/2025 2:20 PM, don Root wrote: Hi Jim, I have been trying to reply but keep getting diverted. -- Richard Knoppow Los Angeles WB6KBL SKCC 19998 |
Don By "big pin" I was referring to tubes that were common before the arrival of the octal tube around 1935.? The hallicrafters 5T uses all pre-octal tubes found in the RC-11 RCA tube manual (circa 1933) so it's design was completed before the octal tube was available to the radio designer.? The 5T must have been on the drawing board of a company bought by hallicrafters or it was the pet project of an early hallicrafters employee. Sorry for the confusion and the use of the term, I assumed that everyone was familiar with this?idiom. Jim Logic: Method used to arrive at the wrong conclusion, with confidence.? Murphy
On Wednesday, April 2, 2025 at 04:20:18 PM CDT, don Root <drootofallevil@...> wrote:
Hi Jim, I have been trying to reply but keep getting diverted. One problem is understanding the definition of a “big pin” tube. How big is “big”? ?I can find no definition. the 4,6,and older 7 Ing tubes have two ?0.156 ?[5/32?] inch pins and some .125 [1/8]inch pins but the 5 pin tube has only the smaller pins. ? Anyhow, I googled with “what is? a "big pin" radio tube?” ????and AI replied as follows” AI Overview A "big pin" radio tube, also known as a vacuum tube or electron tube, is a type of electronic device that uses the flow of electrons in a vacuum to control electrical signals, often used in older radio and audio equipment.? Here's a more detailed explanation:
A "big pin" radio tube is a type of vacuum tube, a device that uses the flow of electrons in a vacuum to control electrical signals.? ·? ·? How it works: Inside the tube, a heated filament (cathode) emits electrons, which are then controlled by a grid (a metal mesh) and attracted to a positively charged plate (anode).? ·? ·? Why it's called "big pin": The term "big pin" likely refers to the size and shape of the base or connector pins on the tube, which are larger than those on smaller tube types.? ·? ·? Examples: Some common "big pin" tube types include the 6L6, 6V6, 6K5, and 6C5.? ·? ·? Historical Context: Before the advent of semiconductor devices, vacuum tubes like these were widely used in various electronic applications, including radios, audio amplifiers, and television sets.? ·? ·? Modern Usage: While largely replaced by transistors and other solid-state devices, vacuum tubes are still used in some applications, particularly in audio amplifiers and specialized electronic equipment where their unique sound characteristics are desired.? ? More stuff later. ? From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Jim Whartenby via groups.io
Sent: Sunday, March 23, 2025 11:49 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [HallicraftersRadios] New to Group ? AFAIK, all of the hallicrafters listed below have metal front panels and are housed in metal cases.? The S-10 / SX-10 did have an optional mahogany?case that the metal case slipped into but I doubt that any were actually sold.? If the production numbers are correct, at one time I owned 1.5% of production!? That would be three of them out of some 200 reportedly made. Still have two. ? The 5T is an odd one.? It uses all big pin tubes so it is obviously a much earlier design.? It is either the first or fourth superhetrodyne design sold by hallicrafters. ? hallicrafters receiver models Information gleaned from Max de Henseler and Chuck Dachis books S-1, S-2, S-3 TRF-regen, 5 tubes, manufactured by Silver-Marshall?, 1934 ++++++++++++++++++++++
?
? _,_ -- don??? va3drl |
Turns out that octal base tubes were introduced by General Electric
toggle quoted message
Show quoted text
when they introduced metal tubes, 1935. My memory was incorrect about Locktal base, it was introduced by Sylvania. Don't have a date but mid to late 1930s. On 4/2/2025 2:31 PM, Richard Knoppow via groups.io wrote: I always understood "big pin" tubes to be those made before octal --
Richard Knoppow Los Angeles WB6KBL SKCC 19998 |
开云体育Richard,? loctal /? loktal? ..s were spoken about ?in this? 1938-12 article: ? pdf??? 20?? -----
but ?March 1939 revealed some data ? pdf?? 59??? ----- From some reading it seems that RCA? and philco? were in a battle so philco started a deal with Sylvania ??much earlier maybe ?? Probably, the RF tubes for TV is what drove the loktal design ahead of octals due to lower ?capacitance ? ? From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Richard Knoppow via groups.io
Sent: Wednesday, April 2, 2025 6:20 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [HallicraftersRadios] New to Group ? Turns out that octal base tubes were introduced by General Electric -- don??? va3drl |
开云体育Ahh Jim ?, yes I guess it means that too many.? I use pre-octal [it doesn’t sound so demonstrative], but I am trying to confirm that I was really sending what the AI experts know. Do you agree with them? ? Back to the 5-T, I would agree, about the tubes suggesting that it was designed perhaps before about ?may, june, july 1935 ?when the new octal tube data became known the first ad I saw for the 5-T?? was in: ?? ?somewhere,??? BUT a bigger one was in: ??? ?? pdf page 8??? ? ?still?? Marion???? Indiana I just wonder they used all the new octal/metal sockets and tubes for the ?flagship Super sky-riders and left the older stuff for the sky buddy. That might make good business sense. I worked in an industrial electronic plant for a while, so I wonder who bends and punches the steel chassis, front panel, and cabinet ? were machines easily available to do some bends?? Maybe it depends on just what is available? maybe they contract out the steel, maybe not The month after this last ad, they changed the address to 2611 indiana so the first 5-Ts might be made at either place ? Wandering back to the early skyriders, and where they were actually made; nobody seems to have evidence of what happened to the SMI license from RCA when the they split up in Oct 1932. ??? ? From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Jim Whartenby via groups.io
Sent: Wednesday, April 2, 2025 6:00 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [HallicraftersRadios] New to Group ? Don By "big pin" I was referring to tubes that were common before the arrival of the octal tube around 1935.? The hallicrafters 5T uses all pre-octal tubes found in the RC-11 RCA tube manual (circa 1933) so it's design was completed before the octal tube was available to the radio designer.? The 5T must have been on the drawing board of a company bought by hallicrafters or it was the pet project of an early hallicrafters employee. ? Sorry for the confusion and the use of the term, I assumed that everyone was familiar with this?idiom. Jim ?
? ? _._,_._,_ -- don??? va3drl |