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Hello Everyone!?? My story is a long one, so pack a lunch!??  Let me start out by saying I have DNA tested and am on the following platforms:? Ancestry - CynthiaDriscoll 23&Me - Cynthi Hall MyHeritage - Cynthi Driscoll FTDNA - Cynthia Hall (married: Driscoll) GEDmatch: T753922 and my Paternal only kit is PT753922P1
I have a cousin who has (fully) yDNA tested through FTDNA and our Hall Haplogroup is: R-YP6368 (R-M269 - S424 - Z29552 - Little Scots Cluster, Otterburn, Northumberland, England). We descend from a Scottish Border Reiver Family.? We are in FTDNA Hall Project Group: 019a2
(See FTDNA Hall Project:??
Thanks to another cousin, we have a potential mtDNA Haplogroup for William's mother (through William's sister's descendants), which is: U4b1b1.
Now that I have laid that out, I'll preface this next bit of info by saying 90-95% of Trees found across all platforms in regard to William Hall are wrong.? This is due to several issues.
The first being attributed to a man named George von Kromer who purchased a cabin back in the 1930s and wrote a booklet about the cabin and family who (allegedly) owned it.? This is a man who had no ties to the Hall family by either blood or marriage.? His story, titled, "History of the Cabin-Fort", was published in booklet form in the late 30s. A slightly edited version is contained in the book, "Places Near the Mountains," by Helen R Prillaman.
This story, by Kromer, has not one ounce of truth. Nor does it give any citations or documents to confirm any of the information.? The man took great liberties with the diaries of George Washington and added narrative to bolster his story.
The Hall family that Kromer uses for the backstory is of a William Hall who was born c1701 and died in 1772. His will was filed, in what was then, Botetourt County.? When this William came to Virginia, the land he purchased was in the bounds of Augusta County on a place called Whistle Creek, which is very near present-day Lexington VA.? This area went through a few county changes.? From Orange County, to Augusta, for a short time to Botetourt, and finally to present-day Rockbridge Co VA.
William just happened to die when his land was contained in the bounds of Botetourt Co VA and this is where his Last Will was filed.? His wife was Jean, and they had the following children: William Hall (c1729), Andrew Hall (c1731), Isabel Hall (c1735), Agnes Hall (c1737), [Captain] James Hall (c1739), John Hall (bef 1740), and Nathaniel Hall (bef 1740).
Kromer implied in his booklet that my William Hall (c1794-1849) descended from the above William Hall (c1701-1772) but he never explained how. Besides the addition of words to Washington's diaries, Kromer also inserted a few words into William's (c1701-1772) last Will & Testament to improve his farce.
Thanks to the yDNA testing we have been able to prove what I've known for the last 35 years that we are not related to the William (& Jean) Hall family of what eventually became Rockbridge.? Their Haplogroup is: I-M223 and they are listed in FTDNA Hall Project in Family Group 023a.? As I am sure you realize, the haplogroups of the 2 families are not compatible and therefore these 2 families are not related to each other.
As fortunate as we are to have our Haplogroup, it has not helped us to advance our lineage - as my cousins closest yDNA match has a genetic distance of 6.
The only immediate family of William's that we know of is his sister, Keziah. She was married in Catawba (then in Montgomery Co VA, now Roanoke Co VA) in 1817 to Samuel Ballard Cummins. Samuel & Keziah immediately went westward landing in Sullivan Co IN.? Several of us have DNA connections to some of the descendants of Keziah.
It would appear that William & his sister, Keziah, were raised by a man named William Ledgerwood.?
William Ledgerwood was a son of John Ledgerwood (mother unknown), who was born between 1764-1765 (per census records).? William didn't marry until 1813. John Ledgerwood, his father, died in late 1805 or very early 1806 and William seems to have become the Head of the Family. Using the 1810 census, I have filled in names of who appears to be in the household - using later census records, Wills, and other documents pertinent to the family: Name: Wm Ledgerwood?? Home in 1810: Christiansburg, Montgomery, Virginia White Males - 10 - 15: 1 [William HALL] White Males - 26 - 44 : 1 [William Ledgerwood] White Females - 10 - 15: 2 [Nancy (d/o unmarried sister Margaret) & Keziah HALL] White Females - 26 - 44: 3 [Rebecca, Margaret (<-sisters) & Isabella <- niece, d/o unmarried sister Mary] White Females - 45 & over : 1 [Mary Ledgerwood <-sister] Household Members Under 16: 3 Household Members Over 25: 5 Household Members: 8
Source Citation:? Year: 1810; Census Place: Christiansburg, Montgomery, Virginia; Roll: 70; Page: 647; Image: 96; FHL Film: 0181430 Source Info:? 1810 US Federal Census. Provo, UT: Ancestry.com Operations, Inc., 2010. Images reproduced by FamilySearch. Original data: 3rd Census of the US 1810. Bureau of the Census, Record Group 29. National Archives, Washington, DC.
Wm Ledgerwood & Wm Hall signed consent for Keziah's 1817 marriage to Cummins.?
Why was an unmarried Wm Ledgerwood raising these 2 Hall children?? We have no idea, only speculation that: 1) their parents were near neighbors (sometime after 1800 but before 1810) and died; 2) the Hall children were left in Ledgerwood's care until the family could settle elsewhere - either dying elsewhere or (for some other reason) never returning for, or sending for, William & Keziah.
Another theory is that in the travels of John Ledgerwood & William Ledgerwood, to Tennessee, to visit other children/siblings of John & Wm, they somehow "acquired" these Hall children. John's son, David, lived in Sevier County TN. Wm Ledgerwood would marry in 1813 in Greene Co TN to Sarah "Sally" Kindle - and would bring her back to Catawba (then Montgomery Co VA) to settle and begin their family.
Another possibility is that William & Keziah were somehow related to the Ledgerwood's
In 1820, William Hall married Wm Ledgerwood's niece, Nancy Ledgerwood. Nancy was the daughter of the unmarried Margaret Ledgerwood and a sister of William Ledgerwood.??
Some online trees use conjecture following Kromer's story.? Some trees? are just simply made up names to fill in the gaps - with no sources or documentation.?
Some folks have perverted William Hall's (c1794-1849) Last Will to give him an initial "J" for denoting his first name - and some have further taken that "J" to be "James".? They have done this by the first line of his Will - as follows: "I William Hall, senr."? They think the first letter "I" is a "J".
Never was William Hall identified in any documents as having a first initial or name other than William.? Also, he is never identified with a middle initial/name.
Some trees show William's parents as Allen Hall & Matilda Ledgerwood. James Hall was William & Nancy Ledgerwood Hall's son, and he married Matilda McKenry.??
Besides making atDNA connections to Hall cousins, in using ThruLines we are showing matches to descendants of Keziah's through the "Unknown Father & Mother" of Wm & Keziah.? What my cousins and I have noticed is that there are no other DNA connections showing to any other siblings.
Also, the DNA matches that we have been able to link to (with solid confirmation) seemingly do not go beyond Wm Hall.? This leads us to a potential theory that William (c1794-1849) Hall's parents were possibly immigrants who didn't survive long after arriving in this country and that possibly the parents and any other siblings (if there were any) of Wm & Keziah died also.
Of course, there were other Hall families in the area, and I have researched them to the best of my ability (over the last 30-35 years) but thanks to yDNA (and traditional genealogy) most have been ruled out as being related. There are still a few Hall families that haven't been confirmed with yDNA - so there is still always hope - but getting others to test isn't easy. (Too many people are easily duped by ignorant conspiracy theories).
Through some (shared) DNA matches, I believe it is possible that William Hall's mother (or grandmother) could have been a Wright, Elmore, or Huffman.? On the other hand, with William's wife's unknown paternity, her father could have been a Wright, Elmore, or Huffman. Also, there is the potential of not knowing John Ledgerwood's wife - she may have been a Wright, Elmore, or Huffman.
If anyone here is able (and interested) in helping to solve my Hall family mystery, I'd gladly accept your assistance!
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Hello! I am getting back, in a very small way , into my genealogy files and have?looked?at the DNA chart where I see we are not in the same family group, my family being?#11. My B enjamin is still a lonesome single man. I would love to find his mother and others related to him. In the future?I will? communicate with you?if I find the lost family or find any clues for your mission...every little bit helps! Thanks for the info I gleaned from your email. Grace Hall Upshaw
omy?family history to a certain
Hello Everyone!?? My story is a long one, so pack a lunch!?? Let me start out by saying I have DNA tested and am on the following platforms:? Ancestry - CynthiaDriscoll 23&Me - Cynthi Hall MyHeritage - Cynthi Driscoll FTDNA - Cynthia Hall (married: Driscoll) GEDmatch: T753922 and my Paternal only kit is PT753922P1
I have a cousin who has (fully) yDNA tested through FTDNA and our Hall Haplogroup is: R-YP6368 (R-M269 - S424 - Z29552 - Little Scots Cluster, Otterburn, Northumberland, England). We descend from a Scottish Border Reiver Family.? We are in FTDNA Hall Project Group: 019a2
(See FTDNA Hall Project:??
Thanks to another cousin, we have a potential mtDNA Haplogroup for William's mother (through William's sister's descendants), which is: U4b1b1.
Now that I have laid that out, I'll preface this next bit of info by saying 90-95% of Trees found across all platforms in regard to William Hall are wrong.? This is due to several issues.
The first being attributed to a man named George von Kromer who purchased a cabin back in the 1930s and wrote a booklet about the cabin and family who (allegedly) owned it.? This is a man who had no ties to the Hall family by either blood or marriage.? His story, titled, "History of the Cabin-Fort", was published in booklet form in the late 30s. A slightly edited version is contained in the book, "Places Near the Mountains," by Helen R Prillaman.
This story, by Kromer, has not one ounce of truth. Nor does it give any citations or documents to confirm any of the information.? The man took great liberties with the diaries of George Washington and added narrative to bolster his story.
The Hall family that Kromer uses for the backstory is of a William Hall who was born c1701 and died in 1772. His will was filed, in what was then, Botetourt County.? When this William came to Virginia, the land he purchased was in the bounds of Augusta County on a place called Whistle Creek, which is very near present-day Lexington VA.? This area went through a few county changes.? From Orange County, to Augusta, for a short time to Botetourt, and finally to present-day Rockbridge Co VA.
William just happened to die when his land was contained in the bounds of Botetourt Co VA and this is where his Last Will was filed.? His wife was Jean, and they had the following children: William Hall (c1729), Andrew Hall (c1731), Isabel Hall (c1735), Agnes Hall (c1737), [Captain] James Hall (c1739), John Hall (bef 1740), and Nathaniel Hall (bef 1740).
Kromer implied in his booklet that my William Hall (c1794-1849) descended from the above William Hall (c1701-1772) but he never explained how. Besides the addition of words to Washington's diaries, Kromer also inserted a few words into William's (c1701-1772) last Will & Testament to improve his farce.
Thanks to the yDNA testing we have been able to prove what I've known for the last 35 years that we are not related to the William (& Jean) Hall family of what eventually became Rockbridge.? Their Haplogroup is: I-M223 and they are listed in FTDNA Hall Project in Family Group 023a.? As I am sure you realize, the haplogroups of the 2 families are not compatible and therefore these 2 families are not related to each other.
As fortunate as we are to have our Haplogroup, it has not helped us to advance our lineage - as my cousins closest yDNA match has a genetic distance of 6.
The only immediate family of William's that we know of is his sister, Keziah. She was married in Catawba (then in Montgomery Co VA, now Roanoke Co VA) in 1817 to Samuel Ballard Cummins. Samuel & Keziah immediately went westward landing in Sullivan Co IN.? Several of us have DNA connections to some of the descendants of Keziah.
It would appear that William & his sister, Keziah, were raised by a man named William Ledgerwood.?
William Ledgerwood was a son of John Ledgerwood (mother unknown), who was born between 1764-1765 (per census records).? William didn't marry until 1813. John Ledgerwood, his father, died in late 1805 or very early 1806 and William seems to have become the Head of the Family. Using the 1810 census, I have filled in names of who appears to be in the household - using later census records, Wills, and other documents pertinent to the family: Name: Wm Ledgerwood?? Home in 1810: Christiansburg, Montgomery, Virginia White Males - 10 - 15: 1 [William HALL] White Males - 26 - 44 : 1 [William Ledgerwood] White Females - 10 - 15: 2 [Nancy (d/o unmarried sister Margaret) & Keziah HALL] White Females - 26 - 44: 3 [Rebecca, Margaret (<-sisters) & Isabella <- niece, d/o unmarried sister Mary] White Females - 45 & over : 1 [Mary Ledgerwood <-sister] Household Members Under 16: 3 Household Members Over 25: 5 Household Members: 8
Source Citation:? Year: 1810; Census Place: Christiansburg, Montgomery, Virginia; Roll: 70; Page: 647; Image: 96; FHL Film: 0181430 Source Info:? 1810 US Federal Census. Provo, UT: Ancestry.com Operations, Inc., 2010. Images reproduced by FamilySearch. Original data: 3rd Census of the US 1810. Bureau of the Census, Record Group 29. National Archives, Washington, DC.
Wm Ledgerwood & Wm Hall signed consent for Keziah's 1817 marriage to Cummins.?
Why was an unmarried Wm Ledgerwood raising these 2 Hall children?? We have no idea, only speculation that: 1) their parents were near neighbors (sometime after 1800 but before 1810) and died; 2) the Hall children were left in Ledgerwood's care until the family could settle elsewhere - either dying elsewhere or (for some other reason) never returning for, or sending for, William & Keziah.
Another theory is that in the travels of John Ledgerwood & William Ledgerwood, to Tennessee, to visit other children/siblings of John & Wm, they somehow "acquired" these Hall children. John's son, David, lived in Sevier County TN. Wm Ledgerwood would marry in 1813 in Greene Co TN to Sarah "Sally" Kindle - and would bring her back to Catawba (then Montgomery Co VA) to settle and begin their family.
Another possibility is that William & Keziah were somehow related to the Ledgerwood's
In 1820, William Hall married Wm Ledgerwood's niece, Nancy Ledgerwood. Nancy was the daughter of the unmarried Margaret Ledgerwood and a sister of William Ledgerwood.??
Some online trees use conjecture following Kromer's story.? Some trees? are just simply made up names to fill in the gaps - with no sources or documentation.?
Some folks have perverted William Hall's (c1794-1849) Last Will to give him an initial "J" for denoting his first name - and some have further taken that "J" to be "James".? They have done this by the first line of his Will - as follows: "I William Hall, senr."? They think the first letter "I" is a "J".
Never was William Hall identified in any documents as having a first initial or name other than William.? Also, he is never identified with a middle initial/name.
Some trees show William's parents as Allen Hall & Matilda Ledgerwood. James Hall was William & Nancy Ledgerwood Hall's son, and he married Matilda McKenry.??
Besides making atDNA connections to Hall cousins, in using ThruLines we are showing matches to descendants of Keziah's through the "Unknown Father & Mother" of Wm & Keziah.? What my cousins and I have noticed is that there are no other DNA connections showing to any other siblings.
Also, the DNA matches that we have been able to link to (with solid confirmation) seemingly do not go beyond Wm Hall.? This leads us to a potential theory that William (c1794-1849) Hall's parents were possibly immigrants who didn't survive long after arriving in this country and that possibly the parents and any other siblings (if there were any) of Wm & Keziah died also.
Of course, there were other Hall families in the area, and I have researched them to the best of my ability (over the last 30-35 years) but thanks to yDNA (and traditional genealogy) most have been ruled out as being related. There are still a few Hall families that haven't been confirmed with yDNA - so there is still always hope - but getting others to test isn't easy. (Too many people are easily duped by ignorant conspiracy theories).
Through some (shared) DNA matches, I believe it is possible that William Hall's mother (or grandmother) could have been a Wright, Elmore, or Huffman.? On the other hand, with William's wife's unknown paternity, her father could have been a Wright, Elmore, or Huffman. Also, there is the potential of not knowing John Ledgerwood's wife - she may have been a Wright, Elmore, or Huffman.
If anyone here is able (and interested) in helping to solve my Hall family mystery, I'd gladly accept your assistance!
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Grace Upshaw - I think you for the fine job of narrowing down your Hall's and wish everyone were so diligent.
I have a paper trail of my Hall's from Ireland to Philadelphia, to Dolphin Co, PA, to Statesville, NC by 1750.? All but 1 of their 10 children were born in PA.? Then my Robert, a Presbyterian minister (from PA Presbyterian His Soc) move to Pendleton, SC.? Had to quit the ministry due to ill health.? He visited Greenville, TN to improve his health, but died there.? He left a will naming his 2 children were already born, but mentions an expected child.? The family then moves to Laurens Co, SC, then to Fayette Co, GA, but they changed professions from Presbyterain?ministers to millers which continues to almost 1940. Yet, I find fewl DNA matches.? ?The original settlers in PA were James Hall and Prudence Roddy.
Hello! I am getting back, in a very small way , into my genealogy files and have?looked?at the DNA chart where I see we are not in the same family group, my family being?#11. My B enjamin is still a lonesome single man. I would love to find his mother and others related to him. In the future?I will? communicate with you?if I find the lost family or find any clues for your mission...every little bit helps! Thanks for the info I gleaned from your email. Grace Hall Upshaw
omy?family history to a certain
Hello Everyone!?? My story is a long one, so pack a lunch!?? Let me start out by saying I have DNA tested and am on the following platforms:? Ancestry - CynthiaDriscoll 23&Me - Cynthi Hall MyHeritage - Cynthi Driscoll FTDNA - Cynthia Hall (married: Driscoll) GEDmatch: T753922 and my Paternal only kit is PT753922P1
I have a cousin who has (fully) yDNA tested through FTDNA and our Hall Haplogroup is: R-YP6368 (R-M269 - S424 - Z29552 - Little Scots Cluster, Otterburn, Northumberland, England). We descend from a Scottish Border Reiver Family.? We are in FTDNA Hall Project Group: 019a2
(See FTDNA Hall Project:??
Thanks to another cousin, we have a potential mtDNA Haplogroup for William's mother (through William's sister's descendants), which is: U4b1b1.
Now that I have laid that out, I'll preface this next bit of info by saying 90-95% of Trees found across all platforms in regard to William Hall are wrong.? This is due to several issues.
The first being attributed to a man named George von Kromer who purchased a cabin back in the 1930s and wrote a booklet about the cabin and family who (allegedly) owned it.? This is a man who had no ties to the Hall family by either blood or marriage.? His story, titled, "History of the Cabin-Fort", was published in booklet form in the late 30s. A slightly edited version is contained in the book, "Places Near the Mountains," by Helen R Prillaman.
This story, by Kromer, has not one ounce of truth. Nor does it give any citations or documents to confirm any of the information.? The man took great liberties with the diaries of George Washington and added narrative to bolster his story.
The Hall family that Kromer uses for the backstory is of a William Hall who was born c1701 and died in 1772. His will was filed, in what was then, Botetourt County.? When this William came to Virginia, the land he purchased was in the bounds of Augusta County on a place called Whistle Creek, which is very near present-day Lexington VA.? This area went through a few county changes.? From Orange County, to Augusta, for a short time to Botetourt, and finally to present-day Rockbridge Co VA.
William just happened to die when his land was contained in the bounds of Botetourt Co VA and this is where his Last Will was filed.? His wife was Jean, and they had the following children: William Hall (c1729), Andrew Hall (c1731), Isabel Hall (c1735), Agnes Hall (c1737), [Captain] James Hall (c1739), John Hall (bef 1740), and Nathaniel Hall (bef 1740).
Kromer implied in his booklet that my William Hall (c1794-1849) descended from the above William Hall (c1701-1772) but he never explained how. Besides the addition of words to Washington's diaries, Kromer also inserted a few words into William's (c1701-1772) last Will & Testament to improve his farce.
Thanks to the yDNA testing we have been able to prove what I've known for the last 35 years that we are not related to the William (& Jean) Hall family of what eventually became Rockbridge.? Their Haplogroup is: I-M223 and they are listed in FTDNA Hall Project in Family Group 023a.? As I am sure you realize, the haplogroups of the 2 families are not compatible and therefore these 2 families are not related to each other.
As fortunate as we are to have our Haplogroup, it has not helped us to advance our lineage - as my cousins closest yDNA match has a genetic distance of 6.
The only immediate family of William's that we know of is his sister, Keziah. She was married in Catawba (then in Montgomery Co VA, now Roanoke Co VA) in 1817 to Samuel Ballard Cummins. Samuel & Keziah immediately went westward landing in Sullivan Co IN.? Several of us have DNA connections to some of the descendants of Keziah.
It would appear that William & his sister, Keziah, were raised by a man named William Ledgerwood.?
William Ledgerwood was a son of John Ledgerwood (mother unknown), who was born between 1764-1765 (per census records).? William didn't marry until 1813. John Ledgerwood, his father, died in late 1805 or very early 1806 and William seems to have become the Head of the Family. Using the 1810 census, I have filled in names of who appears to be in the household - using later census records, Wills, and other documents pertinent to the family: Name: Wm Ledgerwood?? Home in 1810: Christiansburg, Montgomery, Virginia White Males - 10 - 15: 1 [William HALL] White Males - 26 - 44 : 1 [William Ledgerwood] White Females - 10 - 15: 2 [Nancy (d/o unmarried sister Margaret) & Keziah HALL] White Females - 26 - 44: 3 [Rebecca, Margaret (<-sisters) & Isabella <- niece, d/o unmarried sister Mary] White Females - 45 & over : 1 [Mary Ledgerwood <-sister] Household Members Under 16: 3 Household Members Over 25: 5 Household Members: 8
Source Citation:? Year: 1810; Census Place: Christiansburg, Montgomery, Virginia; Roll: 70; Page: 647; Image: 96; FHL Film: 0181430 Source Info:? 1810 US Federal Census. Provo, UT: Ancestry.com Operations, Inc., 2010. Images reproduced by FamilySearch. Original data: 3rd Census of the US 1810. Bureau of the Census, Record Group 29. National Archives, Washington, DC.
Wm Ledgerwood & Wm Hall signed consent for Keziah's 1817 marriage to Cummins.?
Why was an unmarried Wm Ledgerwood raising these 2 Hall children?? We have no idea, only speculation that: 1) their parents were near neighbors (sometime after 1800 but before 1810) and died; 2) the Hall children were left in Ledgerwood's care until the family could settle elsewhere - either dying elsewhere or (for some other reason) never returning for, or sending for, William & Keziah.
Another theory is that in the travels of John Ledgerwood & William Ledgerwood, to Tennessee, to visit other children/siblings of John & Wm, they somehow "acquired" these Hall children. John's son, David, lived in Sevier County TN. Wm Ledgerwood would marry in 1813 in Greene Co TN to Sarah "Sally" Kindle - and would bring her back to Catawba (then Montgomery Co VA) to settle and begin their family.
Another possibility is that William & Keziah were somehow related to the Ledgerwood's
In 1820, William Hall married Wm Ledgerwood's niece, Nancy Ledgerwood. Nancy was the daughter of the unmarried Margaret Ledgerwood and a sister of William Ledgerwood.??
Some online trees use conjecture following Kromer's story.? Some trees? are just simply made up names to fill in the gaps - with no sources or documentation.?
Some folks have perverted William Hall's (c1794-1849) Last Will to give him an initial "J" for denoting his first name - and some have further taken that "J" to be "James".? They have done this by the first line of his Will - as follows: "I William Hall, senr."? They think the first letter "I" is a "J".
Never was William Hall identified in any documents as having a first initial or name other than William.? Also, he is never identified with a middle initial/name.
Some trees show William's parents as Allen Hall & Matilda Ledgerwood. James Hall was William & Nancy Ledgerwood Hall's son, and he married Matilda McKenry.??
Besides making atDNA connections to Hall cousins, in using ThruLines we are showing matches to descendants of Keziah's through the "Unknown Father & Mother" of Wm & Keziah.? What my cousins and I have noticed is that there are no other DNA connections showing to any other siblings.
Also, the DNA matches that we have been able to link to (with solid confirmation) seemingly do not go beyond Wm Hall.? This leads us to a potential theory that William (c1794-1849) Hall's parents were possibly immigrants who didn't survive long after arriving in this country and that possibly the parents and any other siblings (if there were any) of Wm & Keziah died also.
Of course, there were other Hall families in the area, and I have researched them to the best of my ability (over the last 30-35 years) but thanks to yDNA (and traditional genealogy) most have been ruled out as being related. There are still a few Hall families that haven't been confirmed with yDNA - so there is still always hope - but getting others to test isn't easy. (Too many people are easily duped by ignorant conspiracy theories).
Through some (shared) DNA matches, I believe it is possible that William Hall's mother (or grandmother) could have been a Wright, Elmore, or Huffman.? On the other hand, with William's wife's unknown paternity, her father could have been a Wright, Elmore, or Huffman. Also, there is the potential of not knowing John Ledgerwood's wife - she may have been a Wright, Elmore, or Huffman.
If anyone here is able (and interested) in helping to solve my Hall family mystery, I'd gladly accept your assistance!
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Thanks for taking the time to tell me?about your Hall ancestors, even though we don't merge at all. Of course I will keep looking. Good luck with all of your missing ancestors.? Grace
On Sun, Oct 22, 2023 at 3:40?PM Wanda Hall < wanda@...> wrote: Grace Upshaw - I think you for the fine job of narrowing down your Hall's and wish everyone were so diligent.
I have a paper trail of my Hall's from Ireland to Philadelphia, to Dolphin Co, PA, to Statesville, NC by 1750.? All but 1 of their 10 children were born in PA.? Then my Robert, a Presbyterian minister (from PA Presbyterian His Soc) move to Pendleton, SC.? Had to quit the ministry due to ill health.? He visited Greenville, TN to improve his health, but died there.? He left a will naming his 2 children were already born, but mentions an expected child.? The family then moves to Laurens Co, SC, then to Fayette Co, GA, but they changed professions from Presbyterain?ministers to millers which continues to almost 1940. Yet, I find fewl DNA matches.? ?The original settlers in PA were James Hall and Prudence Roddy.
Hello! I am getting back, in a very small way , into my genealogy files and have?looked?at the DNA chart where I see we are not in the same family group, my family being?#11. My B enjamin is still a lonesome single man. I would love to find his mother and others related to him. In the future?I will? communicate with you?if I find the lost family or find any clues for your mission...every little bit helps! Thanks for the info I gleaned from your email. Grace Hall Upshaw
omy?family history to a certain
Hello Everyone!?? My story is a long one, so pack a lunch!?? Let me start out by saying I have DNA tested and am on the following platforms:? Ancestry - CynthiaDriscoll 23&Me - Cynthi Hall MyHeritage - Cynthi Driscoll FTDNA - Cynthia Hall (married: Driscoll) GEDmatch: T753922 and my Paternal only kit is PT753922P1
I have a cousin who has (fully) yDNA tested through FTDNA and our Hall Haplogroup is: R-YP6368 (R-M269 - S424 - Z29552 - Little Scots Cluster, Otterburn, Northumberland, England). We descend from a Scottish Border Reiver Family.? We are in FTDNA Hall Project Group: 019a2
(See FTDNA Hall Project:??
Thanks to another cousin, we have a potential mtDNA Haplogroup for William's mother (through William's sister's descendants), which is: U4b1b1.
Now that I have laid that out, I'll preface this next bit of info by saying 90-95% of Trees found across all platforms in regard to William Hall are wrong.? This is due to several issues.
The first being attributed to a man named George von Kromer who purchased a cabin back in the 1930s and wrote a booklet about the cabin and family who (allegedly) owned it.? This is a man who had no ties to the Hall family by either blood or marriage.? His story, titled, "History of the Cabin-Fort", was published in booklet form in the late 30s. A slightly edited version is contained in the book, "Places Near the Mountains," by Helen R Prillaman.
This story, by Kromer, has not one ounce of truth. Nor does it give any citations or documents to confirm any of the information.? The man took great liberties with the diaries of George Washington and added narrative to bolster his story.
The Hall family that Kromer uses for the backstory is of a William Hall who was born c1701 and died in 1772. His will was filed, in what was then, Botetourt County.? When this William came to Virginia, the land he purchased was in the bounds of Augusta County on a place called Whistle Creek, which is very near present-day Lexington VA.? This area went through a few county changes.? From Orange County, to Augusta, for a short time to Botetourt, and finally to present-day Rockbridge Co VA.
William just happened to die when his land was contained in the bounds of Botetourt Co VA and this is where his Last Will was filed.? His wife was Jean, and they had the following children: William Hall (c1729), Andrew Hall (c1731), Isabel Hall (c1735), Agnes Hall (c1737), [Captain] James Hall (c1739), John Hall (bef 1740), and Nathaniel Hall (bef 1740).
Kromer implied in his booklet that my William Hall (c1794-1849) descended from the above William Hall (c1701-1772) but he never explained how. Besides the addition of words to Washington's diaries, Kromer also inserted a few words into William's (c1701-1772) last Will & Testament to improve his farce.
Thanks to the yDNA testing we have been able to prove what I've known for the last 35 years that we are not related to the William (& Jean) Hall family of what eventually became Rockbridge.? Their Haplogroup is: I-M223 and they are listed in FTDNA Hall Project in Family Group 023a.? As I am sure you realize, the haplogroups of the 2 families are not compatible and therefore these 2 families are not related to each other.
As fortunate as we are to have our Haplogroup, it has not helped us to advance our lineage - as my cousins closest yDNA match has a genetic distance of 6.
The only immediate family of William's that we know of is his sister, Keziah. She was married in Catawba (then in Montgomery Co VA, now Roanoke Co VA) in 1817 to Samuel Ballard Cummins. Samuel & Keziah immediately went westward landing in Sullivan Co IN.? Several of us have DNA connections to some of the descendants of Keziah.
It would appear that William & his sister, Keziah, were raised by a man named William Ledgerwood.?
William Ledgerwood was a son of John Ledgerwood (mother unknown), who was born between 1764-1765 (per census records).? William didn't marry until 1813. John Ledgerwood, his father, died in late 1805 or very early 1806 and William seems to have become the Head of the Family. Using the 1810 census, I have filled in names of who appears to be in the household - using later census records, Wills, and other documents pertinent to the family: Name: Wm Ledgerwood?? Home in 1810: Christiansburg, Montgomery, Virginia White Males - 10 - 15: 1 [William HALL] White Males - 26 - 44 : 1 [William Ledgerwood] White Females - 10 - 15: 2 [Nancy (d/o unmarried sister Margaret) & Keziah HALL] White Females - 26 - 44: 3 [Rebecca, Margaret (<-sisters) & Isabella <- niece, d/o unmarried sister Mary] White Females - 45 & over : 1 [Mary Ledgerwood <-sister] Household Members Under 16: 3 Household Members Over 25: 5 Household Members: 8
Source Citation:? Year: 1810; Census Place: Christiansburg, Montgomery, Virginia; Roll: 70; Page: 647; Image: 96; FHL Film: 0181430 Source Info:? 1810 US Federal Census. Provo, UT: Ancestry.com Operations, Inc., 2010. Images reproduced by FamilySearch. Original data: 3rd Census of the US 1810. Bureau of the Census, Record Group 29. National Archives, Washington, DC.
Wm Ledgerwood & Wm Hall signed consent for Keziah's 1817 marriage to Cummins.?
Why was an unmarried Wm Ledgerwood raising these 2 Hall children?? We have no idea, only speculation that: 1) their parents were near neighbors (sometime after 1800 but before 1810) and died; 2) the Hall children were left in Ledgerwood's care until the family could settle elsewhere - either dying elsewhere or (for some other reason) never returning for, or sending for, William & Keziah.
Another theory is that in the travels of John Ledgerwood & William Ledgerwood, to Tennessee, to visit other children/siblings of John & Wm, they somehow "acquired" these Hall children. John's son, David, lived in Sevier County TN. Wm Ledgerwood would marry in 1813 in Greene Co TN to Sarah "Sally" Kindle - and would bring her back to Catawba (then Montgomery Co VA) to settle and begin their family.
Another possibility is that William & Keziah were somehow related to the Ledgerwood's
In 1820, William Hall married Wm Ledgerwood's niece, Nancy Ledgerwood. Nancy was the daughter of the unmarried Margaret Ledgerwood and a sister of William Ledgerwood.??
Some online trees use conjecture following Kromer's story.? Some trees? are just simply made up names to fill in the gaps - with no sources or documentation.?
Some folks have perverted William Hall's (c1794-1849) Last Will to give him an initial "J" for denoting his first name - and some have further taken that "J" to be "James".? They have done this by the first line of his Will - as follows: "I William Hall, senr."? They think the first letter "I" is a "J".
Never was William Hall identified in any documents as having a first initial or name other than William.? Also, he is never identified with a middle initial/name.
Some trees show William's parents as Allen Hall & Matilda Ledgerwood. James Hall was William & Nancy Ledgerwood Hall's son, and he married Matilda McKenry.??
Besides making atDNA connections to Hall cousins, in using ThruLines we are showing matches to descendants of Keziah's through the "Unknown Father & Mother" of Wm & Keziah.? What my cousins and I have noticed is that there are no other DNA connections showing to any other siblings.
Also, the DNA matches that we have been able to link to (with solid confirmation) seemingly do not go beyond Wm Hall.? This leads us to a potential theory that William (c1794-1849) Hall's parents were possibly immigrants who didn't survive long after arriving in this country and that possibly the parents and any other siblings (if there were any) of Wm & Keziah died also.
Of course, there were other Hall families in the area, and I have researched them to the best of my ability (over the last 30-35 years) but thanks to yDNA (and traditional genealogy) most have been ruled out as being related. There are still a few Hall families that haven't been confirmed with yDNA - so there is still always hope - but getting others to test isn't easy. (Too many people are easily duped by ignorant conspiracy theories).
Through some (shared) DNA matches, I believe it is possible that William Hall's mother (or grandmother) could have been a Wright, Elmore, or Huffman.? On the other hand, with William's wife's unknown paternity, her father could have been a Wright, Elmore, or Huffman. Also, there is the potential of not knowing John Ledgerwood's wife - she may have been a Wright, Elmore, or Huffman.
If anyone here is able (and interested) in helping to solve my Hall family mystery, I'd gladly accept your assistance!
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Hello,
That is a fascinating story! I have done DNA testing at Ancestry and Family Tree DNA. My farthest back?Hall is James L. Hall and his wife Martha Morris, both born in Charlottesville, Albermarle?County, Virginia.
Thank you, Charlotte Miller
Hello Everyone!?? My story is a long one, so pack a lunch!?? Let me start out by saying I have DNA tested and am on the following platforms:? Ancestry - CynthiaDriscoll 23&Me - Cynthi Hall MyHeritage - Cynthi Driscoll FTDNA - Cynthia Hall (married: Driscoll) GEDmatch: T753922 and my Paternal only kit is PT753922P1
I have a cousin who has (fully) yDNA tested through FTDNA and our Hall Haplogroup is: R-YP6368 (R-M269 - S424 - Z29552 - Little Scots Cluster, Otterburn, Northumberland, England). We descend from a Scottish Border Reiver Family.? We are in FTDNA Hall Project Group: 019a2
(See FTDNA Hall Project:??
Thanks to another cousin, we have a potential mtDNA Haplogroup for William's mother (through William's sister's descendants), which is: U4b1b1.
Now that I have laid that out, I'll preface this next bit of info by saying 90-95% of Trees found across all platforms in regard to William Hall are wrong.? This is due to several issues.
The first being attributed to a man named George von Kromer who purchased a cabin back in the 1930s and wrote a booklet about the cabin and family who (allegedly) owned it.? This is a man who had no ties to the Hall family by either blood or marriage.? His story, titled, "History of the Cabin-Fort", was published in booklet form in the late 30s. A slightly edited version is contained in the book, "Places Near the Mountains," by Helen R Prillaman.
This story, by Kromer, has not one ounce of truth. Nor does it give any citations or documents to confirm any of the information.? The man took great liberties with the diaries of George Washington and added narrative to bolster his story.
The Hall family that Kromer uses for the backstory is of a William Hall who was born c1701 and died in 1772. His will was filed, in what was then, Botetourt County.? When this William came to Virginia, the land he purchased was in the bounds of Augusta County on a place called Whistle Creek, which is very near present-day Lexington VA.? This area went through a few county changes.? From Orange County, to Augusta, for a short time to Botetourt, and finally to present-day Rockbridge Co VA.
William just happened to die when his land was contained in the bounds of Botetourt Co VA and this is where his Last Will was filed.? His wife was Jean, and they had the following children: William Hall (c1729), Andrew Hall (c1731), Isabel Hall (c1735), Agnes Hall (c1737), [Captain] James Hall (c1739), John Hall (bef 1740), and Nathaniel Hall (bef 1740).
Kromer implied in his booklet that my William Hall (c1794-1849) descended from the above William Hall (c1701-1772) but he never explained how. Besides the addition of words to Washington's diaries, Kromer also inserted a few words into William's (c1701-1772) last Will & Testament to improve his farce.
Thanks to the yDNA testing we have been able to prove what I've known for the last 35 years that we are not related to the William (& Jean) Hall family of what eventually became Rockbridge.? Their Haplogroup is: I-M223 and they are listed in FTDNA Hall Project in Family Group 023a.? As I am sure you realize, the haplogroups of the 2 families are not compatible and therefore these 2 families are not related to each other.
As fortunate as we are to have our Haplogroup, it has not helped us to advance our lineage - as my cousins closest yDNA match has a genetic distance of 6.
The only immediate family of William's that we know of is his sister, Keziah. She was married in Catawba (then in Montgomery Co VA, now Roanoke Co VA) in 1817 to Samuel Ballard Cummins. Samuel & Keziah immediately went westward landing in Sullivan Co IN.? Several of us have DNA connections to some of the descendants of Keziah.
It would appear that William & his sister, Keziah, were raised by a man named William Ledgerwood.?
William Ledgerwood was a son of John Ledgerwood (mother unknown), who was born between 1764-1765 (per census records).? William didn't marry until 1813. John Ledgerwood, his father, died in late 1805 or very early 1806 and William seems to have become the Head of the Family. Using the 1810 census, I have filled in names of who appears to be in the household - using later census records, Wills, and other documents pertinent to the family: Name: Wm Ledgerwood?? Home in 1810: Christiansburg, Montgomery, Virginia White Males - 10 - 15: 1 [William HALL] White Males - 26 - 44 : 1 [William Ledgerwood] White Females - 10 - 15: 2 [Nancy (d/o unmarried sister Margaret) & Keziah HALL] White Females - 26 - 44: 3 [Rebecca, Margaret (<-sisters) & Isabella <- niece, d/o unmarried sister Mary] White Females - 45 & over : 1 [Mary Ledgerwood <-sister] Household Members Under 16: 3 Household Members Over 25: 5 Household Members: 8
Source Citation:? Year: 1810; Census Place: Christiansburg, Montgomery, Virginia; Roll: 70; Page: 647; Image: 96; FHL Film: 0181430 Source Info:? 1810 US Federal Census. Provo, UT: Ancestry.com Operations, Inc., 2010. Images reproduced by FamilySearch. Original data: 3rd Census of the US 1810. Bureau of the Census, Record Group 29. National Archives, Washington, DC.
Wm Ledgerwood & Wm Hall signed consent for Keziah's 1817 marriage to Cummins.?
Why was an unmarried Wm Ledgerwood raising these 2 Hall children?? We have no idea, only speculation that: 1) their parents were near neighbors (sometime after 1800 but before 1810) and died; 2) the Hall children were left in Ledgerwood's care until the family could settle elsewhere - either dying elsewhere or (for some other reason) never returning for, or sending for, William & Keziah.
Another theory is that in the travels of John Ledgerwood & William Ledgerwood, to Tennessee, to visit other children/siblings of John & Wm, they somehow "acquired" these Hall children. John's son, David, lived in Sevier County TN. Wm Ledgerwood would marry in 1813 in Greene Co TN to Sarah "Sally" Kindle - and would bring her back to Catawba (then Montgomery Co VA) to settle and begin their family.
Another possibility is that William & Keziah were somehow related to the Ledgerwood's
In 1820, William Hall married Wm Ledgerwood's niece, Nancy Ledgerwood. Nancy was the daughter of the unmarried Margaret Ledgerwood and a sister of William Ledgerwood.??
Some online trees use conjecture following Kromer's story.? Some trees? are just simply made up names to fill in the gaps - with no sources or documentation.?
Some folks have perverted William Hall's (c1794-1849) Last Will to give him an initial "J" for denoting his first name - and some have further taken that "J" to be "James".? They have done this by the first line of his Will - as follows: "I William Hall, senr."? They think the first letter "I" is a "J".
Never was William Hall identified in any documents as having a first initial or name other than William.? Also, he is never identified with a middle initial/name.
Some trees show William's parents as Allen Hall & Matilda Ledgerwood. James Hall was William & Nancy Ledgerwood Hall's son, and he married Matilda McKenry.??
Besides making atDNA connections to Hall cousins, in using ThruLines we are showing matches to descendants of Keziah's through the "Unknown Father & Mother" of Wm & Keziah.? What my cousins and I have noticed is that there are no other DNA connections showing to any other siblings.
Also, the DNA matches that we have been able to link to (with solid confirmation) seemingly do not go beyond Wm Hall.? This leads us to a potential theory that William (c1794-1849) Hall's parents were possibly immigrants who didn't survive long after arriving in this country and that possibly the parents and any other siblings (if there were any) of Wm & Keziah died also.
Of course, there were other Hall families in the area, and I have researched them to the best of my ability (over the last 30-35 years) but thanks to yDNA (and traditional genealogy) most have been ruled out as being related. There are still a few Hall families that haven't been confirmed with yDNA - so there is still always hope - but getting others to test isn't easy. (Too many people are easily duped by ignorant conspiracy theories).
Through some (shared) DNA matches, I believe it is possible that William Hall's mother (or grandmother) could have been a Wright, Elmore, or Huffman.? On the other hand, with William's wife's unknown paternity, her father could have been a Wright, Elmore, or Huffman. Also, there is the potential of not knowing John Ledgerwood's wife - she may have been a Wright, Elmore, or Huffman.
If anyone here is able (and interested) in helping to solve my Hall family mystery, I'd gladly accept your assistance!
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