[VA-FAUQUIER] different Y-DNA lines for different Hackleys
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Hi Vince, Yes I was saying that maybe your line of Hackleys may not be the same as the Culpeper line but from what you said below, you probably do descend from them. What got me into the Hackley-Hockley relationship theory is that I have a man with the surname McMurray who is a Hockley Y-DNA match (Family Tree DNA). He also has his DNA on the myheritage site. He matches several Hackleys there who descend originated from Culpeper County, VA (he is 3rd to Distant cousins to them). I got one of them to test with Family Tree DNA and it turns out his Y-DNA is Vaughan rather than Hackley. This Mr. Hackley as it turns out is a descendant of Oliver Vaughan (ca 1795 to after 1880) of Culpeper County who had at least three children with Sarah "Sally" Hackley (ca 1795 to ca 1840), a mix race lady who I believe is the daughter of Lt. John Hackley (ca 1748 to 1801) of Culpeper County and his black slave Lydia (ca 1754 to ca. 1830). Upon his death in 1801 he freed all of his slaves which I believe was really his common law wife Lydia and their children. John Hackley left his money and other property to his fellow white relatives. It was illegal for him to have a family with a black woman, so he probably hoped by giving them their freedom, he hoped things would work out for them in the long run. Darrel
On Tuesday, March 23, 2021, 12:36:58 p.m. CST, Vince Hackley <vahackley@...> wrote:
Sorry, but your message was a bit confusing. You said “So it might be the case that the Y-DNA of the colonial Culpeper County, VA line of Hackleys might still be the same for my Essex, England line of Hockleys, which is in the R U152 haplogroup family? The line of Hackleys for Vince Hackley might be a separate Y-DNA line (northern provinces of BNA)?”. I interpreted “might be the same” as saying that the two lines are the same, while that is impossible. I guess you saying that my line might not be related to the “Virginia line”, in which case there is a chance your line is the same as the “Virginia line”, presuming my line to be different. ? In theory, you are correct. But in reality, this is highly unlikely. The three Hackley men who tested on FTDNA (including me) come from two different lines separated geographically. Also, I have an additional match at Y111 with someone who is fairly certain their g-grandfather is a specific Hackley who is of the Virginia Line. He has not tested Big Y yet, so I can’t confirm this, but given that he is the only non Hackley surname match, I think it is likely correct. ? I was making a more general comment previously, that there may be other Hackleys (in England for example) who are not related to me but may be related to you. Hackley is not a common name, but it is not rare either. ? If I am able to get a Hackley male with a clear descendance from the Virginia Line ancestors to test Big Y, and he also matches, then I can say with high confidence that the two predominant Hackley lines in the US are not related to your Hockleys. ? We’ll have to wait and see. BTW…I found that I posted over a year ago asking for male Hackleys from the Virginia Line to test. I even offered to split costs. ? Vince ? From: Darrel Hockley <ddh_regina@...>
Sent: Tuesday, March 23, 2021 1:59 PM To: Vince Hackley <vahackley@...> Subject: Re: [VA-FAUQUIER] different Y-DNA lines for different Hackleys ? What I am saying is that since R-U152 is Italo-Gaulish, then it probably came to Essex, England with the Roman soldiers. ? On Tuesday, March 23, 2021, 11:44:33 a.m. CST, Vince Hackley <vahackley@...> wrote: ? ? Not sure I follow this. R-DF21 and R-U152 are on completely separate lines of descent below R-P312, which is over 4000 years to MRCA. They are not related in genealogical time. In fact they split pre-Bronze Age. |
Darrel Hockley