Absolutely true. However, by the time the Romans pulled out of Britain, a large fraction of soldiers were drawn from various Germanic tribes and some other former enemies. Northern Italy especially had a mixed population dominated by Alpine people going back at least 4000 years. In more recent times the Lombards, another Germanic tribe, conquered all of northern Italy in the 6th and 7th centuries...of course by? that time I think Rome had abandoned Britain. Nevertheless, the fact that your haplogroup specifies northern Italy is potentially critical as southern Italy would have been dominated by Mediterranean peoples. Rich history to dive into for you and possible connection to Roman Empire. DF20 I think is less interesting, but it does establish one's line in the British Isles at a very early period (pre Roman or Germanic or Viking invasion). Good luck!?

Interesting. Northern Italy is a mish mash of peoples. Invaded and resettled hundreds of times starting at least a few thousand years ago. Any sense of whether this is a Germanic heritage or a Mediterranean people? Lot of blue eyed blond haired people in northern Italy. Lombards, Franks, Visigoths....all Germanic. Must have been a surprise with your roots in England. Perhaps through a Roman soldier posted to Britain? Lots of possibilities. Thanks for the response.
Vince

Darrell....I meant to ask you this before. You said your Hockleys were R U152. Do you know the origins of that haplogroup? DF21 is associated with the British Isles (the Atlantic culture) dating back at least 4200 years. Many of the Scottish lines come off of DF21. Most of the members identify has Scottish, English or Irish in ancestry.
Vince

Hi Darrell,
Are you still active/subscribed to this group? Not sure what happened, but the group went silent after last September. Hoping it is still working and wish we could get more Hackleys to participate. But the old rootsweb Hackley group was also not very active and was run ("ruled") by a very rude and controlling person. I dropped out because of her many years ago. For what ever reason, there do not seem to be many Hackleys researching their genealogy. We are a sparse crowd. I get the most interest from younger relatives who are not Hackley surnamed. There were many Hackley researchers back in the 90s, but I think most of them have since died.

Anyhow, I'm writing to update you on the FTDNA results. Since last fall, we have two more Big Y testers matching in what is now clearly a Hackley haplogroup. Three are surnamed Hackley. One of those descends from a well-documented immigrant who arrived in the late 1600s in Connecticut. I refer to this as the "northern" line. This person is Ethan Hackley. Another person who is not surnamed Hackley (Paul Cummings) had stated that his grandfather was born out of wedlock and the father according to family lore was named Hackley. Quite an unusual name to make up if not true. Well he finally tested Big Y and is a match to our haplogroup (so the family lore was dead on).

In fact, he and Ethan share a unique SNP that created a sub-branch off the main haplogroup. So Paul's grandfather was probably descended from the northern line of Ethan. Another person named John Murphy also matched with Big Y testing, suggesting there had been a name change event in his line at some point. His Murphy family has roots in Culpeper County VA (as do I and my distant cousin Richard Hackley). We have been unable to establish when and where this name change occurred, but John accepts that it is likely a real event. So there are now 5 of us in this haplogroup.

Since I am still working full time and not knowledgeable enough about working with Y DNA data, we were invited to join the Ackley family group at FTDNA. It is more active and there was some thought that perhaps the two surnames were related (they are not). But the manager of that group has been helping me to sort out the Hackley results and to understand the proccess.

I also identified two male Hackleys through Ancestry.com who live in the UK. They are interested, but I have not yet been able to get them to test. If they do, and they match, that will connect us to at least one branch of Hackleys in England and will say a lot about the surname origins and uniqueness. I've also identified at least one well documented male Hackley from the Virginia line who lives out in California, but he has not responded to me at all. I even found his FB site and still no response. I've offered to pay the full cost for testing.?

I will probably initiate a Hackley project in FTDNA, but not until I know what I'm doing and have time to do it. Right now I would struggle to respond to genetic questions and really do not understand the procedures for comparing Y DNA data. So for now we'll stay in Ackley and take advantage of that Manager's kind help.

As for Hockley, clearly no Hockley's on FTDNA match this haplogroup. Your Hackleys that matched turned out to be Vaughns. So I think for now this connection is a dead end. That said, I did some research on maps from the 1700s and 1800s in the area east of London. I noticed on some maps there was a cluster of Hackleys, but several decades later that cluster seemed to be spelled as Hockley. So it is possible that the name has been spelled or sounded out differently depending on the time period and location. I know it can be difficult to differentiate between 'o' and 'a' in some hand writing on census and other docs. That means it will be hit or miss matching Hackleys with Hockleys. I think they are two different surnames. Woodford Hackley, when he visited a name specialist in London many years ago, stated that he was told these two names are distinct...for whatever that's worth.

Unfortunately, the Culpeper Hackleys you mention (such as Lt John Hackley) to my knowledge had no male offspring. So the only "relevant" Culpeper Hackleys are those who descend from James Hackley and Mary Freeman of Hackley's Crossroads near Amissville, VA. That area is now in Rappahannock VA but was part of Culpeper before about 1840 or 1850. Many of his descendants lived in the nearby parts of northern Culpeper (Little Fork region) and western Fauquier County. Some went west to MO. His brother Francis went west to KY in the early 1700s. His brother Joseph had at least two sons who migrated west to KY in the 1700s as well. Brother John who married Judith Ball (a cousin of Mary Ball Washington, George Washington's mother) also had children who moved west to KY. So there are a lot of Hackley descendants in KY still who all trace back eventually to a common ancestor in VA. That's the line I'm trying to test.

I've said it before and I'll repeat it here....if anyone is a male Hackley descendant of this Virginia line, please contact me. I am willing to split costs for testing at FTDNA. Come join our growing Hackley haplogroup (branch on the Y-DNA tree of life).
Vince Hackley (vahackley@...)

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Very, very interesting.?

I'll break the ice here. Anyone descended from William Samuel Hackley (ca1824-1913) of Culpeper County, Virginia and Martha Ellin Harrell (1826-1891) of Fauquier County, Virginia has an established direct descent from John Harrell (ca1758-1837) of Charles County, Maryland, a member of the 1st Maryland Continental Line and veteran of the revolutionary war. I established my descent to John through Martha his granddaughter which was confirmed by the Sons of the American Revolution (SAR). SAR is the male counterpart to the DAR. To join DAR, this SAR package is a good starting point. However, it is my understanding that DAR is more strict with respect to documentation.?

I haven't been active on this group, but wanted to update on some Y-DNA results from about a year ago. Myself and a distant cousin Richard Hackley had tested with FTDNA at the highest level (at that time) called Big Y. It analyzes thousands of mutations (SNPs). I then convinced another person, Ethan Hackley, who had tested with FTDNA but only at the Y-111 level, to test Big Y. The results of Richard and myself had matched to the extent that a new branch on the human Y-DNA was established. Ethan's results further refined this establishing that the three of us matched in a block now known as?BY75560 under the DF21 clade. Almost all of the subclades under DF21 are populated with people who claim English/Scottish ancestry. The good news is that Ethan's family tree is not in any way connected with the Virginia Hackleys. His research shows him descending from a different line that arrived about the same time from England, but settled in Connecticut/NY. This would seem to establish R-BY75560 as a Hackley surname haplogroup. Unfortunately, the haplogroup number is just one of a logjam of 38 SNPs (they name it after the first SNP discovered). So we need more male Hackley testers to further refine the haplogroup and perhaps start to put together lineages based on DNA. The take away from this is that Hackleys in Virginia and Connecticut who immigrated separately in the 1600s were most likely related 12-15 generations back. This would put all Hackleys in the US in the same phylogenetic group, name spellings notwithstanding. If Hockley surnamed males do not match with this haplogroup, then they are most certainly from a different male line. The similarity in name spelling does not mean they are related. There are other similar surnames as well, such as Ackley and Oakley.

Do you have famous ancestors? Diane and I would love for you to share your
information with this group. To make this easier we are suspending the rule
of only discussing members of your direct line. If you are a Smith but your
famous ancestor is a Jones that is OK for this discussion. We want you to
feel free to join in and let us all enjoy some interesting stories.
Who will be first?

Jim and Diane

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I just joined this group. Are you saying the group owner/manager is aanders and that there is some issue with how this group is conducted? I just want to be sure before I start posting anything here. I have been researching Hackleys from the Virginia line for 30 years and would love to have a group like this to share information or find other researchers. But not if the group is problematic. In that case, I'd rather start a new.

Noticed you were receiving an email from aanders@.... Be careful.

I joined a Hackley Group two months ago and the only response was 20 nonsense
e--mails sent at the same time on three different occasions. Tried to contact aanders@
wyoming.com but no response. Tried to report problem to someone who said he was
handling the group. Never heard from him again.

I received the e-mail intended for you asking for assistance with Texas YDNA.

Hope this warning reaches you in time to save you any problems.

John Handley
Wichita, KS
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John Francis Hackley is my 2XGGGF.

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