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Knowing what I know about your involvement in battery backed up
power grid generation systems; your positive feedback statement,
causes me to have some truly scary visions...
-Chuck Harris
Peter Gottlieb wrote:
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It is my opinion that this short term, what-can-you-do-for-me-this-quarter mentality
is neither good for the company nor society in general. Positive feedback without
control almost always ends in disaster.
On 7/27/2019 10:07 AM, Oz-in-DFW wrote:
There's also the fact that they live under the tyranny of the financial quarter and
get any long term thinking beat mercilessly out of them.
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Talk of power grid solutions¡ this is mine¡.?
Pete wa2odo?
On Sat, Jul 27, 2019, 11:29 AM Chuck Harris < cfharris@...> wrote: Knowing what I know about your involvement in battery backed up
power grid generation systems; your positive feedback statement,
causes me to have some truly scary visions...
-Chuck Harris
Peter Gottlieb wrote:
> It is my opinion that this short term, what-can-you-do-for-me-this-quarter mentality
> is neither good for the company nor society in general.? Positive feedback without
> control almost always ends in disaster.
>
>
> On 7/27/2019 10:07 AM, Oz-in-DFW wrote:
>>
>> There's also the fact that they live under the tyranny of the financial quarter and
>> get any long term thinking beat mercilessly out of them.
>> _._,_._,_
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That's respectable for a home system.? Do you have any energy storage, or are you just doing net metering?
This weekend I'm working on the high level design of a 200 MW energy storage system which connects at transmission level.? Where it is proposed it should reduce electric rates by about 20% over the full 20 year contract.
About now is where I wished engineers worked on commission, like everyone in sales, rather than flat salary.
Peter
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On 7/27/2019 11:37 AM, Pete Manfre wrote: Talk of power grid solutions¡ this is mine¡.
Pete wa2odo
On Sat, Jul 27, 2019, 11:29 AM Chuck Harris <cfharris@... <mailto:cfharris@...>> wrote:
Knowing what I know about your involvement in battery backed up
power grid generation systems; your positive feedback statement,
causes me to have some truly scary visions...
-Chuck Harris
Peter Gottlieb wrote:
> It is my opinion that this short term,
what-can-you-do-for-me-this-quarter mentality
> is neither good for the company nor society in general. Positive
feedback without
> control almost always ends in disaster.
>
>
> On 7/27/2019 10:07 AM, Oz-in-DFW wrote:
>>
>> There's also the fact that they live under the tyranny of the financial
quarter and
>> get any long term thinking beat mercilessly out of them.
>>
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Both.? ?Have 24v @ 1920ah BIG
P
On Sat, Jul 27, 2019, 11:46 AM Peter Gottlieb < hpnpilot@...> wrote: That's respectable for a home system.? Do you have any energy storage, or are
you just doing net metering?
This weekend I'm working on the high level design of a 200 MW energy storage
system which connects at transmission level.? Where it is proposed it should
reduce electric rates by about 20% over the full 20 year contract.
About now is where I wished engineers worked on commission, like everyone in
sales, rather than flat salary.
Peter
On 7/27/2019 11:37 AM, Pete Manfre wrote:
> Talk of power grid solutions¡ this is mine¡.
>
> Pete wa2odo
>
> On Sat, Jul 27, 2019, 11:29 AM Chuck Harris <cfharris@...
> <mailto:cfharris@...>> wrote:
>
>? ? ?Knowing what I know about your involvement in battery backed up
>? ? ?power grid generation systems; your positive feedback statement,
>? ? ?causes me to have some truly scary visions...
>
>? ? ?-Chuck Harris
>
>? ? ?Peter Gottlieb wrote:
>? ? ?> It is my opinion that this short term,
>? ? ?what-can-you-do-for-me-this-quarter mentality
>? ? ?> is neither good for the company nor society in general. Positive
>? ? ?feedback without
>? ? ?> control almost always ends in disaster.
>? ? ?>
>? ? ?>
>? ? ?> On 7/27/2019 10:07 AM, Oz-in-DFW wrote:
>? ? ?>>
>? ? ?>> There's also the fact that they live under the tyranny of the financial
>? ? ?quarter and
>? ? ?>> get any long term thinking beat mercilessly out of them.
>? ? ?>>
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Almost exactly what I have in big lithium ion packs, although I don't have them hooked up at the moment.? I don't have a charger which could put out 5 kW of 28.8 volts to recharge them in 4 hours.
Peter
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On 7/27/2019 12:39 PM, Pete Manfre wrote: Both.? ?Have 24v @ 1920ah BIG
P
On Sat, Jul 27, 2019, 11:46 AM Peter Gottlieb <hpnpilot@... <mailto:hpnpilot@...>> wrote:
That's respectable for a home system.? Do you have any energy storage, or are
you just doing net metering?
This weekend I'm working on the high level design of a 200 MW energy storage
system which connects at transmission level.? Where it is proposed it should
reduce electric rates by about 20% over the full 20 year contract.
About now is where I wished engineers worked on commission, like everyone in
sales, rather than flat salary.
Peter
On 7/27/2019 11:37 AM, Pete Manfre wrote:
> Talk of power grid solutions¡ this is mine¡.
>
> Pete wa2odo
>
> On Sat, Jul 27, 2019, 11:29 AM Chuck Harris <cfharris@...
<mailto:cfharris@...>
> <mailto:cfharris@... <mailto:cfharris@...>>> wrote:
>
>? ? ?Knowing what I know about your involvement in battery backed up
>? ? ?power grid generation systems; your positive feedback statement,
>? ? ?causes me to have some truly scary visions...
>
>? ? ?-Chuck Harris
>
>? ? ?Peter Gottlieb wrote:
>? ? ?> It is my opinion that this short term,
>? ? ?what-can-you-do-for-me-this-quarter mentality
>? ? ?> is neither good for the company nor society in general. Positive
>? ? ?feedback without
>? ? ?> control almost always ends in disaster.
>? ? ?>
>? ? ?>
>? ? ?> On 7/27/2019 10:07 AM, Oz-in-DFW wrote:
>? ? ?>>
>? ? ?>> There's also the fact that they live under the tyranny of the
financial
>? ? ?quarter and
>? ? ?>> get any long term thinking beat mercilessly out of them.
>? ? ?>>
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On 7/27/19 10:33 AM, Peter Gottlieb wrote: It is my opinion that this short term,
what-can-you-do-for-me-this-quarter mentality is neither good for the
company nor society in general.? Positive feedback without control
almost always ends in disaster. About fifteen years ago I had a very interesting, long conversation with a newly-hired co-worker who happened to have a degree in economics. I'd been through a few corporate startup/IPO cycles at that point, and I told him about how I thought this huge shift toward not seeing past the end of the current quarter dramatically encourages destructive behavior, as does the whole "end goal" of the IPO...after which a corporation has but one customer to please and care about: the body of stockholders. The behaviors encouraged by these attitutes are not conducive to the long-term survival of the company, and almost always result in the company screwing over its real customers and being viewed as "evil" by anyone with a functioning brain. He essentially nodded and said, "yes, of course." He explained that this is textbook economics, and people who pursue a degree in economics are taught this in their first year. We as a society must stamp out this behavior, but it won't happen until the whole thing just self-destructs. Some argue that we're seeing the beginning of that now, and I can't really disagree. -Dave -- Dave McGuire, AK4HZ New Kensington, PA
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And we all have to say a special thank you to Carly for the abrupt left turn in HP¡¯s operating philosophy.
Regards,
Stephen Hanselman
Datagate Systems, LLC
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On Jul 27, 2019, at 12:16, Dave McGuire <mcguire@...> wrote:
On 7/27/19 10:33 AM, Peter Gottlieb wrote:
It is my opinion that this short term,
what-can-you-do-for-me-this-quarter mentality is neither good for the
company nor society in general. Positive feedback without control
almost always ends in disaster. About fifteen years ago I had a very interesting, long conversation
with a newly-hired co-worker who happened to have a degree in economics.
I'd been through a few corporate startup/IPO cycles at that point, and
I told him about how I thought this huge shift toward not seeing past
the end of the current quarter dramatically encourages destructive
behavior, as does the whole "end goal" of the IPO...after which a
corporation has but one customer to please and care about: the body of
stockholders. The behaviors encouraged by these attitutes are not
conducive to the long-term survival of the company, and almost always
result in the company screwing over its real customers and being viewed
as "evil" by anyone with a functioning brain.
He essentially nodded and said, "yes, of course." He explained that
this is textbook economics, and people who pursue a degree in economics
are taught this in their first year.
We as a society must stamp out this behavior, but it won't happen
until the whole thing just self-destructs. Some argue that we're seeing
the beginning of that now, and I can't really disagree.
-Dave
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Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
New Kensington, PA
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On Saturday, July 27, 2019, 1:17:00 PM EDT, Dave McGuire <mcguire@...> wrote:
> I told him about how I thought this huge shift toward not seeing past
> the end of the current quarter dramatically encourages destructive
> behavior, as does the whole "end goal" of the IPO...after which a
> corporation has but one customer to please and care about: the body of
> stockholders. The behaviors encouraged by these attitutes are not
> conducive to the long-term survival of the company, and almost always
> ...
> We as a society must stamp out this behavior, but it won't happen
> until the whole thing just self-destructs. Some argue that we're seeing
> the beginning of that now, and I can't really disagree.
I have one data point that does provide a little hope. There's a friend
of mine who has done well a few times in the startup game. However,
in his most recent venture, he had a really bad experience with the
VC types who where following the "burn bright and fast to get the
attention of an IPO or and acquisition" philosophy. As expected, it
fell flat. But he was able to get the IP and even the name returned
to him, and has restarted in a smaller form that allows him to focus
on customers the way he always wanted. And he's made it quite
clear that he has no interest in taking VC funding again. So his
customers can count on staying the priority.
Alas, the fact that this is remarkable because it's so rare is itself
depressing.
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Left turn? More like a 180.
Peter
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On Jul 27, 2019, at 1:44 PM, Stephen Hanselman <kc4sw.io@...> wrote:
And we all have to say a special thank you to Carly for the abrupt left turn in HP¡¯s operating philosophy.
Regards,
Stephen Hanselman
Datagate Systems, LLC
On Jul 27, 2019, at 12:16, Dave McGuire <mcguire@...> wrote:
On 7/27/19 10:33 AM, Peter Gottlieb wrote:
It is my opinion that this short term,
what-can-you-do-for-me-this-quarter mentality is neither good for the
company nor society in general. Positive feedback without control
almost always ends in disaster. About fifteen years ago I had a very interesting, long conversation
with a newly-hired co-worker who happened to have a degree in economics.
I'd been through a few corporate startup/IPO cycles at that point, and
I told him about how I thought this huge shift toward not seeing past
the end of the current quarter dramatically encourages destructive
behavior, as does the whole "end goal" of the IPO...after which a
corporation has but one customer to please and care about: the body of
stockholders. The behaviors encouraged by these attitutes are not
conducive to the long-term survival of the company, and almost always
result in the company screwing over its real customers and being viewed
as "evil" by anyone with a functioning brain.
He essentially nodded and said, "yes, of course." He explained that
this is textbook economics, and people who pursue a degree in economics
are taught this in their first year.
We as a society must stamp out this behavior, but it won't happen
until the whole thing just self-destructs. Some argue that we're seeing
the beginning of that now, and I can't really disagree.
-Dave
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Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
New Kensington, PA
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On 7/27/19 1:44 PM, Stephen Hanselman wrote: And we all have to say a special thank you to Carly for the abrupt left turn in HP¡¯s operating philosophy. But she was so highly qualified to run a tech company, with her degree in history! -Dave -- Dave McGuire, AK4HZ New Kensington, PA
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On 7/27/19 2:00 PM, Brian L. Stuart wrote: I have one data point that does provide a little hope. There's a friend
of mine who has done well a few times in the startup game. However,
in his most recent venture, he had a really bad experience with the
VC types who where following the "burn bright and fast to get the
attention of an IPO or and acquisition" philosophy. As expected, it
fell flat. But he was able to get the IP and even the name returned
to him, and has restarted in a smaller form that allows him to focus
on customers the way he always wanted. And he's made it quite
clear that he has no interest in taking VC funding again. So his
customers can count on staying the priority. That's fantastic, he's enlightened. I'm not looking to "get hired", but is he looking for tech people to work with? Alas, the fact that this is remarkable because it's so rare is itself
depressing. Very. -Dave -- Dave McGuire, AK4HZ New Kensington, PA
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Embedded Windows versions tend to have longer life cycles, even according to Microsoft!
But the issue remains.? ?Pity they also use obscure hardware drivers etc, after all, other than 16bit code, you can run most legacy programs on the current OS versions without trouble.
73.
Dave G0WBX
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Yep, I have often thought that economies and governments need more negative feedback in general.?
Sorry to extend the off-topic discussion.
Jim Ford?
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It is my opinion that this short term, what-can-you-do-for-me-this-quarter mentality is neither good for the company nor society in general.? Positive feedback without control almost always ends in disaster. On 7/27/2019 10:07 AM, Oz-in-DFW wrote: > > There's also the fact that they live under the tyranny of the financial > quarter and get any long term thinking beat mercilessly out of them. > _._,_._,_ > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >
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On Saturday, July 27, 2019, 2:10:06 PM EDT, Dave McGuire <mcguire@...> wrote:
>> On 7/27/19 2:00 PM, Brian L. Stuart wrote:
>> I have one data point that does provide a little hope. There's a friend
>> ...
>
> That's fantastic, he's enlightened.
>
> I'm not looking to "get hired", but is he looking for tech people to
> work with?
It's been a while since I've caught up with him, but the last time
I talked to him, he wasn't. Being fiscally responsible with a long-term
perspective does mean less hiring and consulting. Of course, it
also means fewer layoffs down the road.
BLS
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At 2019-07-27 01:06 PM, Peter Gottlieb wrote:
Almost exactly what I have in
big lithium ion packs, although I don't have them hooked up at the
moment.?? I don't have a charger which could put out 5 kW of 28.8
volts to recharge them in 4 hours.
What is your source for big li-ion packs? I'd like to at least consider
them, as I likely will need to replace a total of about 6.5KAh worth of
6V deep-cycle FLA batteries in the next couple of years. Knowing the
risks associated with big li-ion batteries, however, I'm thinking they'll
go in a bunker a bit away from the house, rather than in the garage as
they are now.
Steve Hendrix
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On 7/27/19 3:36 PM, Brian L. Stuart wrote: I have one data point that does provide a little hope. There's a friend
... That's fantastic, he's enlightened.
I'm not looking to "get hired", but is he looking for tech people to
work with?
It's been a while since I've caught up with him, but the last time
I talked to him, he wasn't. Being fiscally responsible with a long-term
perspective does mean less hiring and consulting. Of course, it
also means fewer layoffs down the road.
That figures. ;) Sounds like a good guy to know, though. -Dave -- Dave McGuire, AK4HZ New Kensington, PA
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Dave McGuire