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开云体育HP list, I have attempted to assist a current HP list member in Germany with boards from a 8660C. The Post Office is telling me they cannot ship electronics to Germany.? (From the US). ??Parts, vintage, boards, doesn’t matter. Do I have the customs form filled out wrong?? Anybody have a explanation or know how to get this done? I did try UPS, they quoted a price which is a significant percentage of my monthly income. Thanks for any ideas, explanation, Gary WA2OMY ? ? ? ? |
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Hey, in the past, I used Stackry and was happy with their service. MyUS was also great when it came to handling and shipping but their small print can inflate your budget. This is 5 yr old info. Cheers, Gabor On Wed, Mar 5, 2025 at 4:36?PM Gary Hitchner via <talgarth=[email protected]> wrote:
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开云体育Hi Gary,
I had similar problems from Canary Islands to Canada. They told me Canada would not allow electronics so I send the stuff to Germany with a friend and he could send it to Canada with DHL without any problem. Don't use "electronics" just say "surplus PCBs". 73, Rainer Am 05.03.2025 um 15:35 schrieb Gary Hitchner via groups.io:
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On Wed, Mar 5, 2025 at 07:36 AM, Gary Hitchner wrote:
Anybody have a explanation or know how to get this done?Maybe. Ship printed circuit boards to Germany, from the U.S., using a 'Priority Mail International Flat Rate' medium box. (or small, or large too)
AFIK, you gotta use customs form 'PS Form 2976-A'? On the form, if you describe the 'goods' as 'printed circuit boards'... You can use Harmonized System (HS) Code 8534.00.00 I think you keep one carbon copy, the post office keeps one too... but copy(s) go in a little pouch, affixed to the box.
AFAIK, if you don't fill out the form... one or all of the following will happen.
USPS won't take it, it won't get accepted into Germany, and it might get returned. Not sure if the 'receiver' will have to pay duty, when he gets it in Germany; but the HS code might help determine that.
Not sure why USPS, or a USPS agent says you can't do it... when people do it all the time.
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开云体育Well here some examples (before Trump):If you buy in US something for 100$ & 25$ transport and use flat rate tax rate, then the receiver in Germany must pay import tax 22,50� total = 22,50� Sum = 140,90� (Goods and duties) If you buy in US something for 900$ & 100$ transport and use flat rate tax rate, then the receiver must pay import tax = 211� customs? = 166� total = 377� Sum = 1325,00 � (Goods and duties) Is it a mobile or tablet - then no customs and tax a little bit lower For a monitor you have 205� tax and 133� customs So it depends on declaration - normaly the transporter will do all you ;-)) Peter ================
Am 05.03.2025 um 20:54 schrieb Roy
Thistle via groups.io:
Not sure if the 'receiver' will have to pay duty, when he gets it in Germany; but the HS code might help determine that. |
开云体育I’m not sure what German policies are, but in the US, repair/replacement parts are generally exempt. I’d assume for that reason, that some companies have different part numbers for a standalone part ordered as an option and a second part number
for the part for repair use.
Marking them as replacement parts, or parts being returned for repair or similar might be a solution. It’s ambiguous at best….i mean you are repairing your unit.
The main limitation is generally not being able to insure for more than the declared value.
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Sent: Wednesday, March 5, 2025 3:34:16 PM To: [email protected] <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [HP-Agilent-Keysight-equipment] Shipping overseas? ?
Well here some examples (before Trump):
If you buy in US something for 100$ & 25$ transport and use flat rate tax rate, then the receiver in Germany must pay import tax 22,50� total = 22,50� Sum = 140,90� (Goods and duties) If you buy in US something for 900$ & 100$ transport and use flat rate tax rate, then the receiver must pay import tax = 211� customs? = 166� total = 377� Sum = 1325,00 � (Goods and duties) Is it a mobile or tablet - then no customs and tax a little bit lower For a monitor you have 205� tax and 133� customs So it depends on declaration - normaly the transporter will do all you ;-)) Peter ================
Am 05.03.2025 um 20:54 schrieb Roy Thistle via groups.io:
Not sure if the 'receiver' will have to pay duty, when he gets it in Germany; but the HS code might help determine that. |
开云体育Thanks for all the ideas on shipping overseas, I will try some of the other definitions recommended on the custom form 1st. ? I did look into a flat rate box, the cost was about $85.00 for a medium size box. Parcel Post or whatever they are calling ?it now, lowest cost way is about $50.00 Of course these boards from a 8660 have no real value, I used a low value of? $25.00.? ? Gary WA2OMY ? From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Ed Marciniak
Sent: Wednesday, March 5, 2025 4:39 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [HP-Agilent-Keysight-equipment] Shipping overseas? ? I’m not sure what German policies are, but in the US, repair/replacement parts are generally exempt. I’d assume for that reason, that some companies have different part numbers for a standalone part ordered as an option and a second part number for the part for repair use. ? Marking them as replacement parts, or parts being returned for repair or similar might be a solution. It’s ambiguous at best….i mean you are repairing your unit. ? The main limitation is generally not being able to insure for more than the declared value. ? From: [email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of Heinz-Peter Deutsch via groups.io <hpdeutsch@...> ? Well here some examples (before Trump): ?Am 05.03.2025 um 20:54 schrieb Roy Thistle via groups.io:
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Package forwarders are tough to beat when it comes to small parcels. MyUS ships 5 pounds to Germany through DHL Express with decent tracking for $25-30. I don't know how high the cutoff value is right now, but the receiver might not be prompted to pay duty and/or VAT if you declare them as a gift (especially if they are :) ). Gabor On Wed, Mar 5, 2025 at 10:52?PM Gary Hitchner via <talgarth=[email protected]> wrote:
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On Wed, Mar 5, 2025 at 01:27 PM, Froggie the Gremlin wrote:
Fill out content as "sample parts" value $10 okay, if you don't use the HS code... cause that is optional?
but, then won't the USPS post office...
or worse the German customs...
won't those guys determine what 'import code' ... or 'category' ...the contents fall under?
cause... there are a lot of different duties for 'sample parts' ?
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On Wed, Mar 5, 2025 at 01:52 PM, Gary Hitchner wrote:
Parcel Post or whatever they are calling ?it now, lowest costYes, generally. But most countries only allow a small de minimus on posted packages.
Sometimes couriers are allowed much more before duty and taxes are charged... but they have ... sometimes steep...brokerage fees too.
Something that somebody sends you... that is over those de minimus limits... can result in significant duty and taxes being charged.
And, it can depend on whether you post it, or use a courier.
Posting versus courier isn't always cheaper, and vice versa.
It depends on what the declared value is... and what it is declared as too.
Sometimes customs can hold it, and re-access its value, or what it should be declared as... if they think the value... or the description...? is not accurate. |
开云体育Well, if you send some expensive material (Moduls, HDD etc)out of the country for repair you need to declare it before, because this part is coming back, and so you and the receiver don't pay any fees. Same when you go to vacation and carry your 1000 bucks camera or your wife's 2000 bucks neclace with you. When you come back, you must pay tax and customs for your own goods, if you don't declare it before leaving the country. Peter ================ Am 06.03.2025 um 02:09 schrieb Roy
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They used to do that, and almost needed to see receipts for camera equipment.
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That seems to have stopped perhaps 10 to 15 years ago, certainly, before 2000, IIRC. Nobody seems to enforce that, not that I noticed. Harvey On 3/5/2025 9:13 PM, Heinz-Peter Deutsch via groups.io wrote:
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Make sure to write 'no lithium batteries' on it or it might get returned.? Ask me how I know... On Wed, Mar 5, 2025, 6:01?PM Roy Thistle via <roy.thistle=[email protected]> wrote:
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开云体育Even worse when something sent from the UK to the US for repair (under warranty.)On it's return, we would often get charged full UK duty/taxes etc, as if it was "a New import", even if the US office managed to get the paperwork straight (rarely) AND send it back via the exact same route but in reverse!.?? That's a UK custom's rip-off thing, and there is no way to challenge it for small co's and individuals. It's as bad if anyone ships from the US to the UK using the USPS.? That is then handled here by Royal Mail.? They add import duties (even if the commodity code indicates low or zero duty) then exorbitant "handling charges", and our 17.5% VAT on top of the lot. So, something that cost, say, $20 US on eBay, I end up paying over ?100 UKP!? Has happened twice to me. Then there are the US sellers who list "international shipping no problem", do NOT exclude the UK.? But flatly refuse to communicate, though take my money!?? That's something eBay is good at, getting my hard earned back in those cases. Oddly, DigiKey can send me a high value (100's of $'s) parts order to my door, overnight, seemingly with impunity and minimal charges!? I forget what they declare on the package.? And no, it doesn’t come from a bonded warehouse in the UK, as it's smothered in stickers and stamp markings indicating it did travel overnight by air!?? So it can be done. We (in the UK) also now get screwed by our own idiot government since Brexit happened, moving anything between UK and EU (Including Ireland) either way, now costs a fortune and takes an age, as there are not enough people to handle the paperwork.? It's as if they have not heard of doing things digitally.? Hence, there are sellers in the EU who will now not sell to UK buyers. Worse, a large proportion of our food is imported from, or via the EU.? Result?? High prices, and very short "use by" dates. "Modern Life" eh...? We're rapidly reverting to being "The Sick Man of Europe" like we were back in the 60's. And you don't want to know what we pay for fuel and energy in general! Regards to All. Dave 'KBV. |
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Some observations from the UK. TL;DR: fleabay's GSP is wonderful, much better for me than my shipping my sales directly. When I've bought something direct from the orient, e.g. a BusPirate5 or Digilent Analog Discovery, the courier won't deliver it to me until I pay them 20%VAT/import duties plus ?20 admin fee. Those often make it better to buy from local importers. Import/export regulations hit more than "electronics". Somebody in the USA put one of my ~100yo Fuller calculators in their fleabay basket, but fleabay wouldn't let them buy it. The reason is unclear, but is probably that I had stated it was made of wood and metal. Apparently the US prohibits imports of wood. I'm glad fleabay prevented that sale, because if fleabay's GSP shippers or US import agencies had detected wood, it would probably have been summarily destroyed without returning it to me. Guess who would have lost out. As for batteries, it seems that batteries which are an integral part of the equipment don't provoke the shipping immune response. Caveat: I haven't looked at shipping equipment with "modern" lithium batteries, nor recently shipped battery powered equipment overseas, nor "naked" spare batteries. As with any tree-shaped classification scheme (e.g. Dewey Decimal for
books), selecting the customs code is not only
arbitrarily complex but also ambiguous and ever changing. ISTR some types of fast Tek scopes with MCP CRTs were classified
differently for export purposes: 2465 OK, 2467 sometimes not OK. For the UK, the anti-insomnia "medication" is? ? For "oscilloscope" that leads to and if you look down several pages you find imports require 20% VAT and in some cases 35% retaliatory duties. Getting those ever-changing duties correct is something that will require vast numbers of customs agents and border checks and/or couriers that act conservatively because they don't want to jeopardise their standing with governments. Wonderful, just wonderful. No doubt other countries have similar tools. |
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