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If anyone has a keypad that goes with a HP 70820A module I am interested in obtaining one. ?Picked up a 70004A mainframe with a 70820A module but the keypad is for another module. ?
Mute good news as the module passes self test. ?Now I just have to figure out how to use the microwave transition analyzer does but it look interesting. ?
Thanks?
Dave VE7HR?
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Hi Dave
?
Welcome aboard to the HP 70000?
users? ??there is a 70000 user group
Firstly you will require 2 adapters as the
input connectors are 2.4 and are not comparable with
Possibly your standard connectors ( noting?
SMA / 3.4 / 2.9 MM connectors are all interchangeable )
?
I also have a 70820? and I am currently
looking for a mating RF signal generator to work with it
A list of the mating sig generators are in
one of the menus on the 70820
?
Best of luck Paul
?
If anyone has a keypad that goes with a HP 70820A module I am
interested in obtaining one. ?Picked up a 70004A mainframe with a 70820A
module but the keypad is for another module. ?
Mute good news as the module passes self test. ?Now I just have to figure out
how to use the microwave transition analyzer does but it look interesting.
?
Thanks?
Dave VE7HR?
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Hi Paul, Where do I find this users group?
Mine has the adapters. ?:-)
I have a a few pieces of the MMS system that I use on a regular basic. And almost enough for another basic low frequency setup. ?:-). ?
As for signal generators I have a 8672A which happens to be on the list. ?
So life is good. ?
Thanks for the information Paul?
Dave
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On Apr 16, 2019, at 12:56 AM, Paul Bicknell < paul@...> wrote:
Hi Dave
?
Welcome aboard to the HP 70000?
users? ??there is a 70000 user group
Firstly you will require 2 adapters as the
input connectors are 2.4 and are not comparable with
Possibly your standard connectors ( noting?
SMA / 3.4 / 2.9 MM connectors are all interchangeable )
?
I also have a 70820? and I am currently
looking for a mating RF signal generator to work with it
A list of the mating sig generators are in
one of the menus on the 70820
?
Best of luck Paul
?
If anyone has a keypad that goes with a HP 70820A module I am
interested in obtaining one. ?Picked up a 70004A mainframe with a 70820A
module but the keypad is for another module. ?
Mute good news as the module passes self test. ?Now I just have to figure out
how to use the microwave transition analyzer does but it look interesting.
?
Thanks?
Dave VE7HR?
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You can use a number of other sig gens with the 70820 by putting their command string in the custom entry option.?
Bob
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Mine has the adapters. ?:-)
I have a a few pieces of the MMS system that I use on a regular basic. And almost enough for another basic low frequency setup. ?:-). ?
As for signal generators I have a 8672A which happens to be on the list. ?
So life is good. ?
Thanks for the information Paul?
Dave On Apr 16, 2019, at 12:56 AM, Paul Bicknell < paul@...> wrote:
Hi Dave
?
Welcome aboard to the HP 70000?
users? ??there is a 70000 user group
Firstly you will require 2 adapters as the
input connectors are 2.4 and are not comparable with
Possibly your standard connectors ( noting?
SMA / 3.4 / 2.9 MM connectors are all interchangeable )
?
I also have a 70820? and I am currently
looking for a mating RF signal generator to work with it
A list of the mating sig generators are in
one of the menus on the 70820
?
Best of luck Paul
?
If anyone has a keypad that goes with a HP 70820A module I am
interested in obtaining one. ?Picked up a 70004A mainframe with a 70820A
module but the keypad is for another module. ?
Mute good news as the module passes self test. ?Now I just have to figure out
how to use the microwave transition analyzer does but it look interesting.
?
Thanks?
Dave VE7HR?
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I have the same rig, more or less - it didn't have the keypad. I think you can do without it and control everything from the screen menus, while the keypad allows for shortcuts to the basic functions, or to operate it with various programs - or maybe not. Anyway, as I recall, I could run it just fine.
I think the keypads for the various uses are all the same inside, with the difference being the button labels. I later acquired a keypad for a different type unit, but have not tried it to see what happens. I think you could probably use the one you have, and just figure out what the button functions should be.
Unless you're going to need its full 40-50 GHz capability, it's best to just adapt the inputs to SMA-compatible types. I bought some short (12") cable type adapters, which were much cheaper than the ideal, simple straight-through barrel types. I made a little box that mounts onto the input connectors, with the cables inside, and SMAs on the right side, to make it less obtrusive in the front.
Ed
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On 4/16/19 1:31 PM, Ed Breya via Groups.Io wrote: I have the same rig, more or less - it didn't have the keypad. I think
you can do without it and control everything from the screen menus,
while the keypad allows for shortcuts to the basic functions, or to
operate it with various programs - or maybe not. Anyway, as I recall, I
could run it just fine. This is correct; you don't need the module-specific keypad to do anything on any 70K series instrument. I have a bunch of 70K stuff running from one display, and I just have the blank keypad. Works fine. I think the keypads for the various uses are all the same inside, with
the difference being the button labels. I later acquired a keypad for a
different type unit, but have not tried it to see what happens. I think
you could probably use the one you have, and just figure out what the
button functions should be. Some of the keypad inserts use double-width buttons I think, but all they are are plungers that press the key mechanisms underneath. -Dave -- Dave McGuire, AK4HZ New Kensington, PA
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Thanks Dave, Yes I am aware that you don't need the keyboard to control things with out but it seems easier to do. And I like to find all the bits is possible.
I will try out the keyboard that I have. There are so few details on the. Thanks everyone for the answers
Dave VE7HR Surrey BC
On Tue, Apr 16, 2019 at 10:35 AM Dave McGuire < mcguire@...> wrote: On 4/16/19 1:31 PM, Ed Breya via Groups.Io wrote:
> I have the same rig, more or less - it didn't have the keypad. I think
> you can do without it and control everything from the screen menus,
> while the keypad allows for shortcuts to the basic functions, or to
> operate it with various programs - or maybe not. Anyway, as I recall, I
> could run it just fine.
? This is correct; you don't need the module-specific keypad to do
anything on any 70K series instrument.
? I have a bunch of 70K stuff running from one display, and I just have
the blank keypad.? Works fine.
> I think the keypads for the various uses are all the same inside, with
> the difference being the button labels. I later acquired a keypad for a
> different type unit, but have not tried it to see what happens. I think
> you could probably use the one you have, and just figure out what the
> button functions should be.
? Some of the keypad inserts use double-width buttons I think, but all
they are are plungers that press the key mechanisms underneath.
? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?-Dave
--
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New Kensington, PA
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Hi Ed? are you saying the 70820 will work
at? 50 Ghz ?
?
?
I have the same rig, more or less - it didn't have the keypad. I think
you can do without it and control everything from the screen menus, while the
keypad allows for shortcuts to the basic functions, or to operate it with
various programs - or maybe not. Anyway, as I recall, I could run it just fine.
I think the keypads for the various uses are all the same inside, with the
difference being the button labels. I later acquired a keypad for a different
type unit, but have not tried it to see what happens. I think you could
probably use the one you have, and just figure out what the button functions
should be.
Unless you're going to need its full 40-50 GHz capability, it's best to just
adapt the inputs to SMA-compatible types. I bought some short (12") cable
type adapters, which were much cheaper than the ideal, simple straight-through
barrel types. I made a little box that mounts onto the input connectors, with
the cables inside, and SMAs on the right side, to make it less obtrusive in the
front.
Ed
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Hi Dave
?
I think there are about? 10 of us
that are after the key pad for the
70820
?
The keyboard is a different
thing and we have hade grate misunderstandings in the past? the keyboard
for the? 70000 system is a? PC type keyboard with a HP-HPIL connector
on it and goes into the HP-HPIL socket on the 70004
?
Paul B
?
?
Yes I am aware that you don't need the keyboard to control things with
out but it seems easier to do.
And I like to find all the bits is possible.
I will try out the keyboard that I have. There are so few details on
the.
Thanks everyone for the answers
?
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On Tue, Apr 16, 2019 at 10:35 AM Dave McGuire <mcguire@...> wrote:
On 4/16/19 1:31 PM, Ed
Breya via Groups.Io wrote:
> I have the same rig, more or less - it didn't have the keypad. I think
> you can do without it and control everything from the screen menus,
> while the keypad allows for shortcuts to the basic functions, or to
> operate it with various programs - or maybe not. Anyway, as I recall, I
> could run it just fine.
? This is correct; you don't need the module-specific keypad to do
anything on any 70K series instrument.
? I have a bunch of 70K stuff running from one display, and I just have
the blank keypad.? Works fine.
> I think the keypads for the various uses are all the same inside, with
> the difference being the button labels. I later acquired a keypad for a
> different type unit, but have not tried it to see what happens. I think
> you could probably use the one you have, and just figure out what the
> button functions should be.
? Some of the keypad inserts use double-width buttons I think, but all
they are are plungers that press the key mechanisms underneath.
? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?-Dave
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New Kensington, PA
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On April 16, 2019 4:34:23 PM "Paul Bicknell" <paul@...> wrote: I think there are about 10 of us that are after the key pad for the 70820
The keyboard is a different thing and we have hade grate misunderstandings
in the past the keyboard for the 70000 system is a PC type keyboard with
a HP-HPIL connector on it and goes into the HP-HPIL socket on the 70004 HP-HIL, not HP-HPIL. HP Human Interface Loop. (for those searching) -Dave -- Dave McGuire, AK4HZ New Kensington, PA
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Hi Dave the other? group is
?
hp_70000@...
?
?
Hi Paul,
Where do I find this users group?
Mine has the adapters. ?:-)
I have a a few pieces of the MMS system that I use on a regular basic.
And almost enough for another basic low frequency setup. ?:-). ?
As for signal generators I have a 8672A which happens to be on the
list. ?
Thanks for the information Paul?
?
?
On Apr 16, 2019, at 12:56 AM, Paul Bicknell <paul@...> wrote:
Hi Dave
?
Welcome aboard to the HP 70000?
users? ??there is a 70000 user group
Firstly you will require 2 adapters as the
input connectors are 2.4 and are not comparable with
Possibly your standard connectors (
noting? SMA / 3.4 / 2.9 MM connectors are all interchangeable )
?
I also have a 70820? and I am
currently looking for a mating RF signal generator to work with it
A list of the mating sig generators are in
one of the menus on the 70820
?
Best of luck Paul
?
If anyone has a keypad that goes with a HP 70820A module I am
interested in obtaining one. ?Picked up a 70004A mainframe with a 70820A
module but the keypad is for another module. ?
Mute good news as the module passes self test. ?Now I just have to figure
out how to use the microwave transition analyzer does but it look interesting.
?
Thanks?
Dave VE7HR?
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Hi all Dave is correct a typo by me should be HP HIL
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-----Original Message----- From: [email protected][mailto: [email protected]] On Behalf Of Dave McGuire Sent: 16 April 2019 21:37 To: [email protected]Subject: Re: [HP-Agilent-Keysight-equipment] Keypad for 70820A module On April 16, 2019 4:34:23 PM "Paul Bicknell" <paul@...> wrote: I think there are about 10 of us that are after the key pad for the 70820
The keyboard is a different thing and we have hade grate misunderstandings
in the past the keyboard for the 70000 system is a PC type keyboard with a HP-HPIL connector on it and goes into the HP-HPIL socket on the 70004 HP-HIL, not HP-HPIL. HP Human Interface Loop. (for those searching) -Dave -- Dave McGuire, AK4HZ New Kensington, PA
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Not trying to nitpick, I just didn't want someone to start searching for the wrong thing. -Dave On April 16, 2019 4:44:37 PM "Paul Bicknell" <paul@...> wrote: Hi all Dave is correct a typo by me should be HP HIL
-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected]
[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Dave McGuire
Sent: 16 April 2019 21:37
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [HP-Agilent-Keysight-equipment] Keypad for 70820A module
On April 16, 2019 4:34:23 PM "Paul Bicknell" <paul@...> wrote:
I think there are about 10 of us that are after the key pad for the 70820
The keyboard is a different thing and we have hade grate misunderstandings
in the past the keyboard for the 70000 system is a PC type keyboard with
a HP-HPIL connector on it and goes into the HP-HPIL socket on the 70004 HP-HIL, not HP-HPIL. HP Human Interface Loop. (for those searching)
-Dave
--
Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
New Kensington, PA
-- Dave McGuire, AK4HZ New Kensington, PA
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Hi Dave All OK with Me for you to point out any mistakes just a typo but
glad you corrected it for me
Hence me stating the difference between a keypad and a key board
I don not want another range war as people got very upset the last time and
we nearly had blood spilt best just move on
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-----Original Message----- From: [email protected][mailto: [email protected]] On Behalf Of Dave McGuire Sent: 16 April 2019 21:59 To: [email protected]Subject: Re: [HP-Agilent-Keysight-equipment] Keypad for 70820A module Not trying to nitpick, I just didn't want someone to start searching for the wrong thing. -Dave On April 16, 2019 4:44:37 PM "Paul Bicknell" <paul@...> wrote: Hi all Dave is correct a typo by me should be HP HIL
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From: [email protected]
[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Dave McGuire
Sent: 16 April 2019 21:37
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [HP-Agilent-Keysight-equipment] Keypad for 70820A module
On April 16, 2019 4:34:23 PM "Paul Bicknell" <paul@...> wrote: I think there are about 10 of us that are after the key pad for the
70820
The keyboard is a different thing and we have hade grate
misunderstandings in the past the keyboard for the 70000 system is a PC type keyboard with
a HP-HPIL connector on it and goes into the HP-HPIL socket on the 70004 HP-HIL, not HP-HPIL. HP Human Interface Loop. (for those searching)
-Dave
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New Kensington, PA
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Paul wrote:
"Hi Ed? are you saying the 70820 will work at? 50 Ghz ?"
No, I couldn't remember what the official spec was, but it was somewhere up there. The point was that you need the higher grade cables and connectors to attain full performance, but lesser ones are OK for lesser needs.
BTW this brings up an interesting question. Just how high can a sampling scope go, and still be considered to "work?" With an analog scope you can spec the 3 dB bandwidth or risetime, and expect it to roll off gradually above, but it's still usable for some things, until too much detail is lost, the amplitude level is too low to interpret, or the triggering craps out. With a sampler, I would expect similar behavior, except that at some point aliasing also starts to show and mess it up even more.
Using a more generous definition of "work," I'd guess that at room temperature environment, the 70820A would be able to show an "acceptable" sine wave display up to 50-60 GHz. It would have to be a sine wave regardless of input wave shape, or it would have to be all aliased-up.
If anyone can readily look at this, it may be interesting to see what happens beyond the specs.
Ed
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and last activity on the HP70000 users group is December 2015 ;-( Thanks for the link I have subscribed Dave
On Tue, Apr 16, 2019 at 2:26 PM Ed Breya via Groups.Io <edbreya= [email protected]> wrote: Paul wrote:
"Hi Ed? are you saying the 70820 will work at? 50 Ghz ?"
No, I couldn't remember what the official spec was, but it was somewhere up there. The point was that you need the higher grade cables and connectors to attain full performance, but lesser ones are OK for lesser needs.
BTW this brings up an interesting question. Just how high can a sampling scope go, and still be considered to "work?" With an analog scope you can spec the 3 dB bandwidth or risetime, and expect it to roll off gradually above, but it's still usable for some things, until too much detail is lost, the amplitude level is too low to interpret, or the triggering craps out. With a sampler, I would expect similar behavior, except that at some point aliasing also starts to show and mess it up even more.
Using a more generous definition of "work," I'd guess that at room temperature environment, the 70820A would be able to show an "acceptable" sine wave display up to 50-60 GHz. It would have to be a sine wave regardless of input wave shape, or it would have to be all aliased-up.
If anyone can readily look at this, it may be interesting to see what happens beyond the specs.
Ed
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Hi all the HP70000 users are
also on this group but when things get specific the HP70000 users group is used
?
?
and last activity on the HP70000 users group is December 2015 ;-(
Thanks for the link I have subscribed
?
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On Tue, Apr 16, 2019 at 2:26 PM Ed Breya via Groups.Io <edbreya=[email protected]> wrote:
Paul wrote:
"Hi Ed? are you saying the 70820 will
work at? 50 Ghz ?"
No, I couldn't remember what the official spec was, but it was somewhere up
there. The point was that you need the higher grade cables and connectors to
attain full performance, but lesser ones are OK for lesser needs.
BTW this brings up an interesting question. Just how high can a sampling scope
go, and still be considered to "work?" With an analog scope you can
spec the 3 dB bandwidth or risetime, and expect it to roll off gradually above,
but it's still usable for some things, until too much detail is lost, the
amplitude level is too low to interpret, or the triggering craps out. With a
sampler, I would expect similar behavior, except that at some point aliasing
also starts to show and mess it up even more.
Using a more generous definition of "work," I'd guess that at room
temperature environment, the 70820A would be able to show an
"acceptable" sine wave display up to 50-60 GHz. It would have to be a
sine wave regardless of input wave shape, or it would have to be all
aliased-up.
If anyone can readily look at this, it may be interesting to see what happens
beyond the specs.
Ed
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Someone should migrate to to
Dave
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On Apr 16, 2019, at 4:33 PM, Paul Bicknell < paul@...> wrote:
Hi all the HP70000 users are
also on this group but when things get specific the HP70000 users group is used
?
?
and last activity on the HP70000 users group is December 2015 ;-(
Thanks for the link I have subscribed
?
On Tue, Apr 16, 2019 at 2:26 PM Ed Breya via Groups.Io <edbreya=[email protected]> wrote:
Paul wrote:
"Hi Ed? are you saying the 70820 will
work at? 50 Ghz ?"
No, I couldn't remember what the official spec was, but it was somewhere up
there. The point was that you need the higher grade cables and connectors to
attain full performance, but lesser ones are OK for lesser needs.
BTW this brings up an interesting question. Just how high can a sampling scope
go, and still be considered to "work?" With an analog scope you can
spec the 3 dB bandwidth or risetime, and expect it to roll off gradually above,
but it's still usable for some things, until too much detail is lost, the
amplitude level is too low to interpret, or the triggering craps out. With a
sampler, I would expect similar behavior, except that at some point aliasing
also starts to show and mess it up even more.
Using a more generous definition of "work," I'd guess that at room
temperature environment, the 70820A would be able to show an
"acceptable" sine wave display up to 50-60 GHz. It would have to be a
sine wave regardless of input wave shape, or it would have to be all
aliased-up.
If anyone can readily look at this, it may be interesting to see what happens
beyond the specs.
Ed
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I thought I had done that some time ago, but it appears I did not.
However, transfer of groups from yahoo to , which was free in the past, now requires a $110 fee (you must upgrade to premium for the first year), which, were I to have had to pay for all the groups I've transferred/created, would be over $1k at this point.
So, I'm sad to say I won't cough up the $110, however, I have created a new group, xfered all the files, and as soon as the new group is approved by , you all will be able to subscribe to it at [email protected]. As soon as it is approved, I'll post to the yahoo group and invite all the current members of the yahoo hp_70000 group and post a 'We've Moved' note.
Bob
Bob
On Tue, Apr 16, 2019 at 9:05 PM Dave Miller < ve7hr@...> wrote: Someone should migrate to to
Dave VE7HR? On Apr 16, 2019, at 4:33 PM, Paul Bicknell < paul@...> wrote:
Hi all the HP70000 users are
also on this group but when things get specific the HP70000 users group is used
?
?
and last activity on the HP70000 users group is December 2015 ;-(
Thanks for the link I have subscribed
?
On Tue, Apr 16, 2019 at 2:26 PM Ed Breya via Groups.Io <edbreya=[email protected]> wrote:
Paul wrote:
"Hi Ed? are you saying the 70820 will
work at? 50 Ghz ?"
No, I couldn't remember what the official spec was, but it was somewhere up
there. The point was that you need the higher grade cables and connectors to
attain full performance, but lesser ones are OK for lesser needs.
BTW this brings up an interesting question. Just how high can a sampling scope
go, and still be considered to "work?" With an analog scope you can
spec the 3 dB bandwidth or risetime, and expect it to roll off gradually above,
but it's still usable for some things, until too much detail is lost, the
amplitude level is too low to interpret, or the triggering craps out. With a
sampler, I would expect similar behavior, except that at some point aliasing
also starts to show and mess it up even more.
Using a more generous definition of "work," I'd guess that at room
temperature environment, the 70820A would be able to show an
"acceptable" sine wave display up to 50-60 GHz. It would have to be a
sine wave regardless of input wave shape, or it would have to be all
aliased-up.
If anyone can readily look at this, it may be interesting to see what happens
beyond the specs.
Ed
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