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Intermittent REF UNLOCK error message on 8591A Spectrum Analyzer
I have just bought an 8591A that has an intermittent REF UNLOCK error message when I use the internal 10 MHz reference. The error comes every 0,5 to 10 second.
The internal reference is 10,000 MHz and the amplitude is around 350 mV peak to peak. The waveform is a bit distorted - not a clean sinus wave.? The error REF UNLOCK disappears if I connect an external 10 MHz reference - If the amplitude is exactly 130 mV peak to peak.
If the amplitude is higher than 140 mV peak to peak, the intermittent error REF UNLOCK comes back. Also if the external reference is adjusted lower than 9,98 MHz or higher than 10,02 MHz the error REF UNLOCK disappears even if the amplitude is higher than 140 mV peak to peak. My 8591A has serial number 3122U01724 and software revision 7.5.91.
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I have checked the Service Manual but it does unfortunately not contain any drawings of the A25 Counter Lock Assembly.
I am very grateful if anybody has any suggestions! |
After further digging into my Ref Unlock error message on the HP8591A Spectrum Analyzer I have found the following.
The 600 MHz SAW oscillator on A9 Third Converter assembly seems to oscillate at only 599.744 MHz on its own (without 10 MHz reference connected).
With the 10 MHz reference connected, the frequency only comes up to 599.920 MHz - It does not reach 600 MHz.
The VTO_TUNE signal between the Counterclock assembly and the A9 Third Converter assembly is maxed so it can not tune the 600 MHz SAW oscillator any further.
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Can the 600 MHz SAW oscillator be tweaked in some way or is the next step to replace the A9 Third Converter assembly? |
开云体育Hi, ? I tested this with my 8591A. I used an external generator for the 10 MHz reference. I measured the 300 MHz signal returning to the A15 COUNTER LOCK module. This way, I tested the path from the 10 MHz IN to A15, and the return from A9 THIRD CONVERTER at 300 MHz. ? I measured the 300 MHz return at the spectrum, but kept the PLL closed loop using a T-connector. ? The maximum range of the VCXO was 299.976-300.087 MHz, or 300 MHz -24/+87 kHz, but this is doubled if you measure the 600 MHz output. The RF amplitude of this signal was approximately -4.5 dBm upon arrival at the A15 COUNTER LOCK module. The DC control voltage coming from the A15 COUNTER LOCK module (J4-40) to A9 was -0.253/-13.2 Volts, and -4.645V was the voltage for an accurate input 10 MHz reference. ? For adjustment, you can see from the wiring diagram that R68 presumably allows for range centering. I haven't checked the manual yet, but I did check this potentiometer, as I've had several issues with defective potentiometers in this Spectrum series. ? Yves ? ? De?: [email protected] <[email protected]> De la part de Anders L??v via groups.io ? After further digging into my Ref Unlock error message on the HP8591A Spectrum Analyzer I have found the following. The 600 MHz SAW oscillator on A9 Third Converter assembly seems to oscillate at only 599.744 MHz on its own (without 10 MHz reference connected). With the 10 MHz reference connected, the frequency only comes up to 599.920 MHz - It does not reach 600 MHz. The VTO_TUNE signal between the Counterclock assembly and the A9 Third Converter assembly is maxed so it can not tune the 600 MHz SAW oscillator any further. ? Can the 600 MHz SAW oscillator be tweaked in some way or is the next step to replace the A9 Third Converter assembly? |
Thanky you for the valuable information Yves!
I have now checked a bit further and made sure the VTO_TUNE reached the A9 Third Converter assembly ok. My VTO_TUNE voltage varies between -0.43 (10 MHz Ref disconnected) to -13.27 Volt (10 MHz Ref connected). ?
My 300 MHz VCXO range is 299.872 MHz (10 MHz Ref disconnected) to 299.959 MHz (10 MHz Ref connected) - A total range of 88 kHz which is a bit smaller than yours 111 kHz.
This time I have meassured the frequency at the Cal Out to make the meassurement easier.
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I have desoldered and checked the R68 potentiometer and it was fine. Do you have any further good ideas? Best Regards Anders |
开云体育Anders, ? So, in green is the active bias stage, R66 serves as the current sense. In my case, I have 5.186V, which means that the collector current of Q13 is about 9.8mA. ? In blue is the oscillator with CR1 as a varicap for frequency control. Now, the frequency range of your circuit is too low, I would be tempted to try adjusting with R68, but make a mark on R61 to note the current state of the adjustment, because if it doesn't work, you can reset it to its original position. Since the frequency is lower than expected, and if R68 doesn't change anything, then the capacitive load is too large, I would suspect the varicap CR1 as the first suspect. ? You can always experiment by disconnecting C81; the frequency should rise higher. ? Yves ? ? De?: [email protected] <[email protected]> De la part de Anders L??v via groups.io ? Thanky you for the valuable information Yves!
? My 300 MHz VCXO range is 299.872 MHz (10 MHz Ref disconnected) to 299.959 MHz (10 MHz Ref connected) - A total range of 88 kHz which is a bit smaller than yours 111 kHz. This time I have meassured the frequency at the Cal Out to make the meassurement easier. ? I have desoldered and checked the R68 potentiometer and it was fine. |
I am very impressed by your knowledge Yves!
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My spectrum analyzer is fixed now - at least sort of fixed.
My fix was to replace C75, change from 3.3 pF to 2.2 pF.
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Conditions after the fix:
300 MHz VCXO is 299.922 MHz with 10 MHz Ref disconnected. When 10 MHz Ref is connected it is 300.000 MHz.
Maxed VTO_Tune (-13.27 Volt) gives VCXO of 300.026 MHz.
VTO_TUNE with connected 10 MHz Ref is -8.61 Volt (still some area left to -13.27 Volt).
CAL FREQ, CAL AMPTD and CONF TEST goes through without any problem.
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My Q12 bias voltage is 5.168 Volt so that was ok from start.
CR81 capacitor was not fitted in my unit.
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It was very fun to dig into this problem with your help!
This is the first time I use the HP spectrum analyzer - I have only used a TinySA Ultra before.
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Anders
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开云体育Hi Anders, ? I'm glad to hear that you were able to fix your Spectrum's 600 MHz VCXO circuit and get it working. ? Yves ? |