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On 9/27/24 23:43, gren wrote:

Anyone brew Or have a recipe ( DIY or inexpensive bulk source ) for the ink used in the Hp 2225 Think Jet Printer cartridges ?
... to re-inject into the bladder of the original Think Jet Cartridge.
What a great printer to hang onto old equipment !

They certainly are great little printers. The last time I checked, new cartridges were still readily available. I think I last bought some at Staples.

-Dave

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Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
New Kensington, PA

I just want to point out that the most common cause of failure I have
seen in 2225x series is ink leaking onto the flexible circuit board.
This feels like another good reason to avoid anything that might
introduce holes to the bladder holding the ink. If you do perhaps have
them facing up?

On Sun, Sep 29, 2024 at 9:52?PM Roy Thistle via groups.io
<roy.thistle@...> wrote:

On Fri, Sep 27, 2024 at 08:43 PM, gren wrote:

Anyone brew Or have a recipe ( DIY or inexpensive bulk source ) for the ink used in the Hp 2225 Think Jet Printer cartridges ?

... to re-inject into the bladder of the original Think Jet Cartridge.



HP was nearly the first thermal inkjet (or Thinkjet) printer, using a dye in water ink. (pigment inks came along later.)
The ink, in thermal print-heads, has to withstand flash heating, and the high temp, of the print-head nozzle. (Unlike, piezoelectric print heads)
I think all HP inkjet printers...especially the older ones... used thermal ink. (Thinkjet...BubbleJet and so on.)

So... if you get/buy a bottle of black 'refill' ink jet ink... to refill the cartridge in the 2224... make sure it is thermal inkjet ink.
Be cautious.. because... as with everything else associated with HP inkjet cartridges... there is a lot of baffles*!t... if you are going to refill... you need the thermal ink for use in paper printers... not thermal ink for printing to fabric, or the cat's bottom. If you use the wrong kind of ink... it might print for a while... and then quit (usually the nozzles clog.)
The early cartridges... IMO... were not so nefariously engineered to cause machinations to refill... but, a fresh, nearly empty one, with compatible ink, always seemed easier.
If the cartridge is dried out, it's a lot harder to fill.
I can't remember those cartridges having a 'bladder'... all the ones I killed with a hammer, had a kind of 'sponge inside'
Anyway... besides the ink... you need a needle, and a syringe... and some way to pull a 'vacuum' from the nozzle side.
If you try refilling enough of these things... it won't be long before you become a 'contender' for competitive "inkjet printer hurling."

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I could be wrong but I thought if you cut the plastic open the inside
had a bladder that actually holds the ink. Let me go hold one upto a
light.

I am not an inkjet fan but it produces less particulate than laser and
there is no way I could find a working Tektronix solid ink printer
with GPIB. I don't even know if they made such a thing.

After years of being stuck with work demanding I use labview to pull
graphs off test equipment it's great to just go home where I can press
a button and have my HP 35665A print out it's graph on an HP 2225A.

PS: I got an HP pen plotter (RS-232 + GPIB) at one point but it was
broken in shipping.

On Sun, Sep 29, 2024 at 10:06?PM Roy Thistle via groups.io
<roy.thistle@...> wrote:

On Sun, Sep 29, 2024 at 07:03 PM, evan foss wrote:

holes to the bladder holding the ink

did those carts, have a bladder? don't recall that.

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Rick,

Thanks for sharing that pdf. If you look at page 21 you can see the
rubber bladder inside the cartridge.

On Mon, Sep 30, 2024 at 9:31?PM gren via groups.io
<hrgerson@...> wrote:

Yes, looking for a Re-fill bottle of a suitable ink-dye to inject into the TJ cartridge (via a small drilled hole & #18 needle, sealed with a dab of silicone seal); either purchase or DIY chemistry.

Thought someone by now might have done a liquid GC analysis of it by now.

If anyone can read the Patent# on a TJ cartridge or the HP box for it,
let me know the Patent#, might provide some details; ... or other practical info on this !

thank you,
rick

TJ development article in the HP Journal: May, 1985 with some insight.

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So is there a gas in the cartridges along with the ink?

On Mon, Sep 30, 2024 at 6:03?PM gren via groups.io
<hrgerson@...> wrote:

The cartridge definitely uses a rubber bladder:
... so a smaller dia. TB syringe needle could be used.
See:
Fig. 1. Thinkjet printhead. The assembled printhead (top) is composed of a plastic housing (left), a rubber bladder to hold the ink (center), and a thin-film substrate assembly containing the ink-jet array (right).

The Hp Journal article provides some ink chemistry clues:
ThinkJet density close to water ( 1gm/ml )
a simple ink composed entirely of water and a small amount of soluble dye,

" Traditionally, the evaporation rate of common felt-tip and roller-ball pen inks is reduced by replacing at least part of the water in the ink vehicle with a water-miscible fluid of low volatility such as glycerin or ethylene glycol. However, such a glycol/water ink mixture is absorbed very slowly by most common printing papers when applied to them by an ink-jet printhead, causing freshly printed text to smear if touched within ten minutes after printing. The conflicting requirements of quick absorption time and freedom from nozzle clogging could both be met only if a paper specifically designed for ink-jet printing was used with the water/glycol ink solvent system. Hence, an ink-jet paper was chosen for use in the new printer, since at this time no ink system existed that was capable of pro ducing 0.025-mm diameter dots from droplets weighing less than 3x10E -7 gram without asymmetrical spreading or long absorption times on plain papers. (See box on page 32 for more details about the ink-paper system.) "

" A thermal ink-jet vapor bubble that ejects ink droplets with repeatable velocity and volume is obtained only when the fluid/heater interface temperature approaches the ink's superheat limit. This is approximately 90% of the fluid's critical temperature (i.e., the point beyond which a liquid phase no longer exists). The critical temperature depends solely on the physical properties of the fluid, whereas the superheat limit depends on ambient pressure and fluid properties. For Thinkjet inks, the superheat limit is about 330?°C at atmospheric pressure. "

I can't seem to find the MSDS for the Original Hp 2225 ThinkJet printer ink, if anyone has the .pdf for that, please send it to me !

I did find an MSDS reference for C6635a , Color 35, what looks to be later Hp InkJet inks, which might not be relevant:


and a few 2009 research paper, likely for later Hp type inks:







But, ... really just want some detailed info for the Original Black Thinkjet 2225 cartridge ink...
-- would be nice to brew some !

thank you,
rick

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Ok but what stops the ink from going bad in the cartridge since there
is some kind of gas in there?

On Tue, Oct 1, 2024 at 1:09?AM gren via groups.io
<hrgerson@...> wrote:

Relevant is the chemistry of the ThinkJet ink:
Clearly, it is water based. and there is obviously a black dye,
... & possibly a bit of Surfactant that might help with the mentioned quick absorption into the paper fibers.

Any factual references about the ThinkJet ink chemistry, would be appreciated.

thank you,

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