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I upgraded from my 8566A...


 

Bruce,

I have versions/copies of all the factory production calibration software for the HP8566B.? Support for the HP8566B was sold to a 3rd party entity, so I can't really share any of the production software.? I only kept copies since I wrote a lot of it and maintained it for many years.

Also most of it is written in Hpl, originally running on HP9825's and migrated/updated to HP9826's/HP9920's.? We were in the process of converting them to HPBASIC, but the effort was stalled and never finished.? We only got the Electrical Inspection (EI) software converted.? The EI software is similar to the Op. Ver (Verification) software that was made available to customers.

All of the HP8566B production software was written to work within a specific instrument/computer environment, which would be difficult to reproduce.


 

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Maybe your DLPs' should become part of Mark Simms GPIB toolkit? :)


It already has the DLP for TH3 as a batch file, it would be nice to have a suite of them for us 8566 owners to download without other s/w required :D

regards

Tim


On 26/12/2019 8:49 pm, rmb_guru via Groups.Io wrote:

Sean,

I finally had a look at your HP8566B album, congratulations on getting a unit in such pristine condition.

I worked on the HP8566 production line at HP from 1980 - 1988.? There is a good chance that your HP8566B was built during my tenure on the production line.

I wrote the Demo DLPs that were downloaded into each unit, which are what you are showing in your photos.

I still have a copy of the HPBASIC program used to download the DLPs into the instruments.

I'm looking into putting a copy of the program into the files section of this group, I just need to determine how and what format(s) to use.? I already have electronic disk image copies of a HP9122D LIF Disk containing the program, along with some other HP8566B DLPs. The disk image files are compatible with the 'hpdir', 'hpdrive' and HP98x6 Emulator utilities.? In addition to the disk images, I'm thinking of putting copies as simple ASCII versions of the individual programs/files.? The simple ASCII files would be viewable by any number of editors/tools and could also be loaded into HPBASIC using "GET" as well.? Any other file storage preferences?
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+1 that - its gorgeous!

I cant get over how blue the shift key is! - mine's more of a pale lime green.

TT

On 26/12/2019 6:26 am, Siggi wrote:

Wow, what a beauty - congrats!

On Tue, Dec 24, 2019 at 6:32 PM <[email protected]> wrote:
...to a brand spanking new old stock 8566B. To say I'm excited is an understatement. It's perfect. No scuffs, scraps, dings, or dents. And it has everything. The pull out cards, manuals, application notes, pocket quick ref, verification software diskette.

Album here

Sean


 

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Hi Tim

I think you mean John Miles?

Regards

Hardy

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Fra: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] P? vegne af Tim Tuck
Sendt: 26. december 2019 19:44
Til: [email protected]
Emne: Re: [HP-Agilent-Keysight-equipment] I upgraded from my 8566A...

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Maybe your DLPs' should become part of Mark Simms GPIB toolkit? :)

It already has the DLP for TH3 as a batch file, it would be nice to have a suite of them for us 8566 owners to download without other s/w required :D

regards

Tim

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On 26/12/2019 8:49 pm, rmb_guru via Groups.Io wrote:

Sean,

I finally had a look at your HP8566B album, congratulations on getting a unit in such pristine condition.

I worked on the HP8566 production line at HP from 1980 - 1988.? There is a good chance that your HP8566B was built during my tenure on the production line.

I wrote the Demo DLPs that were downloaded into each unit, which are what you are showing in your photos.

I still have a copy of the HPBASIC program used to download the DLPs into the instruments.

I'm looking into putting a copy of the program into the files section of this group, I just need to determine how and what format(s) to use.? I already have electronic disk image copies of a HP9122D LIF Disk containing the program, along with some other HP8566B DLPs. The disk image files are compatible with the 'hpdir', 'hpdrive' and HP98x6 Emulator utilities.? In addition to the disk images, I'm thinking of putting copies as simple ASCII versions of the individual programs/files.? The simple ASCII files would be viewable by any number of editors/tools and could also be loaded into HPBASIC using "GET" as well.? Any other file storage preferences?
?


 

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Yup - I'm still sleepy, getting over Christmas feast food coma....

thanks for the correction.

TT

On 27/12/2019 5:55 am, hardyhansendk via Groups.Io wrote:

Hi Tim

I think you mean John Miles?

Regards

Hardy

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Fra: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] P? vegne af Tim Tuck
Sendt: 26. december 2019 19:44
Til: [email protected]
Emne: Re: [HP-Agilent-Keysight-equipment] I upgraded from my 8566A...

?

Maybe your DLPs' should become part of Mark Simms GPIB toolkit? :)

It already has the DLP for TH3 as a batch file, it would be nice to have a suite of them for us 8566 owners to download without other s/w required :D

regards

Tim

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On 26/12/2019 8:49 pm, rmb_guru via Groups.Io wrote:

Sean,

I finally had a look at your HP8566B album, congratulations on getting a unit in such pristine condition.

I worked on the HP8566 production line at HP from 1980 - 1988.? There is a good chance that your HP8566B was built during my tenure on the production line.

I wrote the Demo DLPs that were downloaded into each unit, which are what you are showing in your photos.

I still have a copy of the HPBASIC program used to download the DLPs into the instruments.

I'm looking into putting a copy of the program into the files section of this group, I just need to determine how and what format(s) to use.? I already have electronic disk image copies of a HP9122D LIF Disk containing the program, along with some other HP8566B DLPs. The disk image files are compatible with the 'hpdir', 'hpdrive' and HP98x6 Emulator utilities.? In addition to the disk images, I'm thinking of putting copies as simple ASCII versions of the individual programs/files.? The simple ASCII files would be viewable by any number of editors/tools and could also be loaded into HPBASIC using "GET" as well.? Any other file storage preferences?
?


 

On 12/26/19 1:39 PM, rmb_guru via Groups.Io wrote:
I have versions/copies of all the factory production calibration
software for the HP8566B.? Support for the HP8566B was sold to a 3rd
party entity, so I can't really share any of the production software.? I
only kept copies since I wrote a lot of it and maintained it for many years.
While we're being morbid (Kirkby started it! ;)) I hope you can make
some arrangement for that to be released in the event of your demise.

All of the HP8566B production software was written to work within a
specific instrument/computer environment, which would be difficult to
reproduce.
There are more 98xx machines out there than you might think! ;) But
either way, the program logic and HPIB commands are the important part.

-Dave

--
Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
New Kensington, PA


 

On 12/26/19 4:49 AM, rmb_guru via Groups.Io wrote:
I wrote the Demo DLPs that were downloaded into each unit, which are
what you are showing in your photos.
That is very, VERY cool!

-Dave

--
Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
New Kensington, PA


 

On Thu, Dec 26, 2019 at 01:49 AM, rmb_guru wrote:
Sean,

I finally had a look at your HP8566B album, congratulations on getting a unit in such pristine condition.

I worked on the HP8566 production line at HP from 1980 - 1988.? There is a good chance that your HP8566B was built during my tenure on the production line.

I wrote the Demo DLPs that were downloaded into each unit, which are what you are showing in your photos.

I still have a copy of the HPBASIC program used to download the DLPs into the instruments.

I'm looking into putting a copy of the program into the files section of this group, I just need to determine how and what format(s) to use.? I already have electronic disk image copies of a HP9122D LIF Disk containing the program, along with some other HP8566B DLPs. The disk image files are compatible with the 'hpdir', 'hpdrive' and HP98x6 Emulator utilities.? In addition to the disk images, I'm thinking of putting copies as simple ASCII versions of the individual programs/files.? The simple ASCII files would be viewable by any number of editors/tools and could also be loaded into HPBASIC using "GET" as well.? Any other file storage preferences?
Oh... very very VERY cool!!

...I'm going to shoot you an email off list if that's ok with you.

As others have said, definitely should make sure this gets archived in a publicly accessible fashion.

Sean


 

> Any other file storage preferences?

Flat files, ie .HPI will be fine! ASCII-versions will be an added bonus.


 

+1 for the prologix ethernet adapter. Works a treat. No problems. SUPER easy to talk to it. Cheap, easy, works as it should, why go anywhere else?

-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Dave McGuire
Sent: Thursday, December 26, 2019 11:21 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [HP-Agilent-Keysight-equipment] I upgraded from my 8566A...

On 12/26/19 4:41 AM, Tam Hanna wrote:
No. There are 100 000 ways to put a wart on your arse which might also
grow a hair which you can then transplant to your head. There is, take
it from me, only one safe way: PCIe card from National Instruments.

Cry at the price (used, around 200€), cry at the two extra fans needed
to keep its temperature at 35 degrees centigrade, and then open Visual
Studio and start the celebrations.
...and then you look up, realize you've had to get Windows to do it, and become sad. Sorry Tam, respectfully, this is BS...I use GPIB every day, for work and not-work, with dozens of instruments in my lab, and I've never had to deal with that proprietary crap.

Depending on what I want to get done, the most effective things are a Prologix GPIB-Ethernet adapter which I generally use with R, an ICS GPIB-Ethernet bridge which speaks the VXI-11 protocol (no relation to "VXI"), or any of a small pile of built-here clones of Anders Gustafsson's GPIB-USB adapters connected to either one of my desktop systems or any of the various Raspberry Pis lying around.

GPIB is such an easy nut to crack these days that there's really no good reason not to use it, if you need any sort of instrument automation.

NI has occasionally made decent hardware over the years, but I won't touch it with a ten-foot pole. They are an absolute asshole of a company with some of the worst-behaved suits in the industry, and they've screwed me multiple times.

-Dave

--
Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
New Kensington, PA


 

I used to use my HP85B as a universal, works on any HPIB device,
controller, but I have long since retired it for a Prologix
adapter... I use the USB version.

It just works, and is easily driven by any programming language
that can talk to the serial ports. The commands are easy, following
the old DC Hayes "AT" styling.

I use either Python, or "R" to drive it. But it is just as easily
driven with java, C, C++, forth, Pascal, Basic, APL, emacs...

Even Octave and MathCAD can do it directly. I haven't tried it from
a spread sheet, but I am sure I could make that happen too.

Try that with a National Instruments card...

-Chuck Harris

W2HX wrote:

+1 for the prologix ethernet adapter. Works a treat. No problems. SUPER easy to talk to it. Cheap, easy, works as it should, why go anywhere else?

-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Dave McGuire
Sent: Thursday, December 26, 2019 11:21 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [HP-Agilent-Keysight-equipment] I upgraded from my 8566A...

On 12/26/19 4:41 AM, Tam Hanna wrote:
No. There are 100 000 ways to put a wart on your arse which might also
grow a hair which you can then transplant to your head. There is, take
it from me, only one safe way: PCIe card from National Instruments.

Cry at the price (used, around 200€), cry at the two extra fans needed
to keep its temperature at 35 degrees centigrade, and then open Visual
Studio and start the celebrations.
...and then you look up, realize you've had to get Windows to do it, and become sad. Sorry Tam, respectfully, this is BS...I use GPIB every day, for work and not-work, with dozens of instruments in my lab, and I've never had to deal with that proprietary crap.

Depending on what I want to get done, the most effective things are a Prologix GPIB-Ethernet adapter which I generally use with R, an ICS GPIB-Ethernet bridge which speaks the VXI-11 protocol (no relation to "VXI"), or any of a small pile of built-here clones of Anders Gustafsson's GPIB-USB adapters connected to either one of my desktop systems or any of the various Raspberry Pis lying around.

GPIB is such an easy nut to crack these days that there's really no good reason not to use it, if you need any sort of instrument automation.

NI has occasionally made decent hardware over the years, but I won't touch it with a ten-foot pole. They are an absolute asshole of a company with some of the worst-behaved suits in the industry, and they've screwed me multiple times.

-Dave

--
Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
New Kensington, PA






 

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Ha!? Usually I get the credit for Mark's hard work on Lady Heather or the 7470.EXE renderer.? I think this is the first time the opposite has happened. :)

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Yes, it would be great to get a plain text copy of the factory demo DLP and any others you (rmb_guru) would like to contribute.? I can create a batch file that will upload it to the 8566B, just like IMD_8566B_8568B.bat does for the old T_HIRDIMOD program.

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Re: the choice of GPIB adapter, the 8566B and 8568B work well with pretty much any of them (Agilent/NI/Prologix) supported by the GPIB Toolkit.? If you wanted to record sweeps with the SSM.EXE utility, the NI adapters are the fastest at that and the Prologix Ethernet adapters are the slowest.? Also, one or two of the more obscure command-line utilities will require NI488.2 support.? But there are few operational differences other than that.?

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Both the Prologix USB and Ethernet adapters are much easier to set up than NI adapters, which require downloading and installing hundreds of megabytes' worth of shovelware from NI with various operating system dependencies.

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However -- and this is a big "however" -- if you are using an HP network analyzer with the VNA.EXE utility, or if you think you may want to in the future, you will want to use a genuine NI adapter with those. ?Not only are they much more reliable with VNA.EXE, but they will let you run other third-party utilities such as the Calkit Manager.

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-- john, KE5FX

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From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of hardyhansendk via Groups.Io
Sent: Thursday, December 26, 2019 10:56 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [HP-Agilent-Keysight-equipment] I upgraded from my 8566A...

?

Hi Tim

I think you mean John Miles?

Regards

Hardy

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Fra: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] P? vegne af Tim Tuck
Sendt: 26. december 2019 19:44
Til: [email protected]
Emne: Re: [HP-Agilent-Keysight-equipment] I upgraded from my 8566A...

?

Maybe your DLPs' should become part of Mark Simms GPIB toolkit? :)

It already has the DLP for TH3 as a batch file, it would be nice to have a suite of them for us 8566 owners to download without other s/w required :D

regards

Tim


 

Hello,

sorry for being a bit slow in responding here. I was not offended or anything, but I am working to restore my life (low on the Masloff need pyramide, think bed and cooking ability) from the drink intake into my property.


If non-NI stuff works well for you, then godspeed to you. My issue is that, I when working in the lab, simply cannot find myself looking for a hair which got into the machine.


Plus, for me, most of my friends also use NI cards (government work has its benefits)...so I have access to lots of Visual Basic and C# "examples" pilfered from friends, which I can then abuse,


Tam


With best regards
Tam HANNA

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On 2019. 12. 26. 17:21, Dave McGuire wrote:
On 12/26/19 4:41 AM, Tam Hanna wrote:
No. There are 100 000 ways to put a wart on your arse which might also
grow a hair which you can then transplant to your head. There is, take
it from me, only one safe way: PCIe card from National Instruments.

Cry at the price (used, around 200€), cry at the two extra fans needed
to keep its temperature at 35 degrees centigrade, and then open Visual
Studio and start the celebrations.
...and then you look up, realize you've had to get Windows to do it,
and become sad. Sorry Tam, respectfully, this is BS...I use GPIB every
day, for work and not-work, with dozens of instruments in my lab, and
I've never had to deal with that proprietary crap.

Depending on what I want to get done, the most effective things are a
Prologix GPIB-Ethernet adapter which I generally use with R, an ICS
GPIB-Ethernet bridge which speaks the VXI-11 protocol (no relation to
"VXI"), or any of a small pile of built-here clones of Anders
Gustafsson's GPIB-USB adapters connected to either one of my desktop
systems or any of the various Raspberry Pis lying around.

GPIB is such an easy nut to crack these days that there's really no
good reason not to use it, if you need any sort of instrument automation.

NI has occasionally made decent hardware over the years, but I won't
touch it with a ten-foot pole. They are an absolute asshole of a
company with some of the worst-behaved suits in the industry, and
they've screwed me multiple times.

-Dave