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Hi,? My loved 54810A died on me.? It is the oldest Gen 1 unit no VIN running 95 and it has not been upgraded.? I did read up on the recovery process from the HP documentation and I have the version 3.5 disc image.??I can open the ISO and I find the files listed below files.? HP suggested that one use a printer port CD Drive to recover it. The Ghost.EXE wont run on my win10 machine.?I do have an XP machine I might get GHOST to run on but it is a laptop.? Any suggestion?? Another option but at a $250 cost would be to buy a drive from ebay but with all the uncertainty I rather do my part of bring the economy to a standstill :-(? ? a few month ago I would just have shelled out the $250 but... Here are the files on the ISO. GHOST.EXE hp548cd.inf
HP548RCV.GHO
Regards,
Ulf
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Some customers have been successful performing system recoveries with external CDROM drives from companies such as MicroSolutions. These drives connect to the scope¡¯s parallel port. Since this method of recovery is unsupported by Agilent, customers are responsible for all configuration of the external drive. 8 For the recovery to be possible, you will need to mount the external drive and boot the scope from a floppy disk (the drive¡¯s manufacturer may be able to provide this disk for you). At the DOS prompt, you must be able to navigate to the drive and see the drive¡¯s contents with the dir command. If you can successfully get to this point, you should be able to perform a recovery with a special A.03.50 recovery CD. You may download the CD image at the location given below or contact Agilent technical support for a copy of this CD. The following recovery software is available for download. This is an .ISO CD-ROM image file. You will need to use CD burning software such as Nero or Easy CD Creator to create the CD from this file. Do not simply copy the file onto the CD as this will not work. A.03.50 Recovery CD: ftp://ftp.agilent.com/pub/callpub1/ddt/scope/548xx/Upg_Rec/3_5/3_5_rec.iso?
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Maybe it's worth to try a more recent version of Norton Ghost to recover the .GHO image on your Windows 10 machine?
Windows 10 still has a compatibility mode for running old software, did you try it?
Another option would be to obtain a Windows 95 virtual machine (here:? ) and to run the software on it.
Regards
Jan
Some customers have been successful performing system recoveries with external CDROM drives from companies such as MicroSolutions. These drives connect to the scope¡¯s parallel port. Since this method of recovery is unsupported by Agilent, customers are responsible for all configuration of the external drive. 8 For the recovery to be possible, you will need to mount the external drive and boot the scope from a floppy disk (the drive¡¯s manufacturer may be able to provide this disk for you). At the DOS prompt, you must be able to navigate to the drive and see the drive¡¯s contents with the dir command. If you can successfully get to this point, you should be able to perform a recovery with a special A.03.50 recovery CD. You may download the CD image at the location given below or contact Agilent technical support for a copy of this CD. The following recovery software is available for download. This is an .ISO CD-ROM image file. You will need to use CD burning software such as Nero or Easy CD Creator to create the CD from this file. Do not simply copy the file onto the CD as this will not work. A.03.50 Recovery CD: ftp://ftp.agilent.com/pub/callpub1/ddt/scope/548xx/Upg_Rec/3_5/3_5_rec.iso?
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On Wed, Apr 1, 2020 at 10:58 PM <ujonsson@...> wrote: Hi, My loved 54810A died on me. It is the oldest Gen 1 unit no VIN running 95 and it has not been upgraded. I did read up on the recovery process from the HP documentation and I have the version 3.5 disc image. I can open the ISO and I find the files listed below files.
HP suggested that one use a printer port CD Drive to recover it. The Ghost.EXE wont run on my win10 machine. I do have an XP machine I might get GHOST to run on but it is a laptop. You are getting yourself confused. You only need the parallel port CDROM drive if you want to populate the hard drive while it's installed in the scope. If you connect the new hard drive to another computer, such as your laptop, you can use its regular CDROM drive.
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On Thu, Apr 2, 2020 at 02:26 PM, David DiGiacomo wrote:
hard drive t
Thanks! I think Ghost run under DOS. Was probably 25 years since I used it.? I never used it for cloning a drive that was not the primary drive but 25 is a long time... I might actually have an original program in a envelope somewhere. I tried to run the GHOST.EXE under vDOS but that did not work,?? I get CauseWay Error 07 : Unable to control A20 when trying Ghost under vDOS.? I will try to see if it can run on a XP machine. Ulf
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Hi,? My loved 54810A died on me.? It is the oldest Gen 1 unit no VIN running 95 and it has not been upgraded.? I did read up on the recovery process from the HP documentation and I have the version 3.5 disc image.??I can open the ISO and I find the files listed below files.?
HP suggested that one use a printer port CD Drive to recover it. The Ghost.EXE wont run on my win10 machine.?I do have an XP machine I might get GHOST to run on but it is a laptop.?
Any suggestion?? Another option but at a $250 cost would be to buy a drive from ebay but with all the uncertainty I rather do my part of bring the economy to a standstill :-(? ? a few month ago I would just have shelled out the $250 but...
Here are the files on the ISO.
GHOST.EXE
hp548cd.inf
HP548RCV.GHO
Regards,
Ulf
If it's not too difficult to access the motherboard in the?54810A can you see if there is a second IDE connector that is currently unused on the motherboard? If there is, maybe you could temporarily attach an IDE CD-ROM drive to the motherboard if you have a spare drive or could borrow one from another machine.
Maybe the recovery CD is bootable?and if you attach a CD-ROM drive you can configure the BIOS to boot from it. The recovery CD/DVDs I have used for Agilent 1680/16900 logic analyzers are bootable?and automatically start the Ghost recovery process when you boot from them.
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On Thu, Apr 2, 2020 at 06:46 PM, Glen Slick wrote:
nd if you attach
Interesting... Yes, there are two IDE headers. Luckily I had a DVD unit from around 2000 and a cable but the un-lucky thing is that the IDE header on the motherboard have all pins populated... The IDE cable I found in my 2000 vintage machine has a missing hole to prevent it from going in backwards.? Not sure when that change was.? The first machine I built was in 98 and that had SCSI... There is a full 40 pin ribbon cable going over to a board and the hard drive connects to that.card. It turned out that I don't have a XP machine that runs.? I tried a few versions of Ghost but no luck getting them to run.? I will look around for a old machine.? I did find a similar vintage hard drive. Its a bit larger than the original but from around 2000. I found it in a old USB hard drive.
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Getting there.. I think.. I found an old ghost explorer version 6.03 that came to live on my windows 7 laptop I use for Volvo VIDA and the Rosstech tools for my cars.
I was able to recover all the files from the .gho file to a folder and to a "new: hard drive. A total of 647Mb and 5023 files in 222 folders.? The files I was able to recover from my old drive was 280MB in 74 folders and 2363 files.
Looks like the 3.5 is Windows 98.? ?Hopefully I have enough memory.
I will try to create a boot floppy tomorrow and see if I can make the hard drive bookable...? This is giving me bad flashbacks... I went from Sinclair ZX 81 to Sinclair Spectrum to Wax 11/780 to Mac to Windows NT, XP, 7 and 10.? I never dealt with windows 95,98 and Vista.
Ulf
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I had the same problem with another machine. The pin
corresponding to the missing hole doesn't have any connection so
solution is easy, you can:
1. Cut the pin,not so easy and difficult to undo.
2. Use a small drill bit and make a hole in the connector. When
you finish you can use a a plastic plug to cover the hole and
restore the safety feature. Before making those special connectors
with the hole missing, many manufacturers used standard connectors
with the plastic plug.
Regards,
Ignacio EB4APL
On Thu, Apr 2, 2020 at 06:46 PM, Glen Slick wrote:
nd if you attach
Interesting... Yes, there are two IDE headers. Luckily I had a DVD
unit from around 2000 and a cable but the un-lucky thing is that
the IDE header on the motherboard have all pins populated... The
IDE cable I found in my 2000 vintage machine has a missing hole to
prevent it from going in backwards.? Not sure when that change
was.? The first machine I built was in 98 and that had SCSI...
There is a full 40 pin ribbon cable going over to a board and the
hard drive connects to that.card.
It turned out that I don't have a XP machine that runs.? I tried a
few versions of Ghost but no luck getting them to run.? I will
look around for a old machine.? I did find a similar vintage hard
drive. Its a bit larger than the original but from around 2000. I
found it in a old USB hard drive.
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A small search on the net will help you to find an USB bootable version of XP. Boot your system from USB stick and run ghost from there. ? -Rik ?
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Van: [email protected] < [email protected]> Namens ujonsson@... Verzonden: vrijdag 3 april 2020 6:26 Aan: [email protected]Onderwerp: Re: [HP-Agilent-Keysight-equipment] First Gen HP 54810A with dead HD, Got ISO 3.5, Any way to write it to a drive? ? On Thu, Apr 2, 2020 at 06:46 PM, Glen Slick wrote: nd if you attach
Interesting... Yes, there are two IDE headers. Luckily I had a DVD unit from around 2000 and a cable but the un-lucky thing is that the IDE header on the motherboard have all pins populated... The IDE cable I found in my 2000 vintage machine has a missing hole to prevent it from going in backwards.? Not sure when that change was.? The first machine I built was in 98 and that had SCSI... There is a full 40 pin ribbon cable going over to a board and the hard drive connects to that.card.
It turned out that I don't have a XP machine that runs.? I tried a few versions of Ghost but no luck getting them to run.? I will look around for a old machine.? I did find a similar vintage hard drive. Its a bit larger than the original but from around 2000. I found it in a old USB hard drive.
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The utilities for cloning any drive come as the standard unix
dd in all linux and unix machines.
-Chuck Harris
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On Thu, Apr 2, 2020 at 02:26 PM, David DiGiacomo wrote:
hard drive t
Thanks!
I think Ghost run under DOS. Was probably 25 years since I used it.? I never used it for cloning a drive that was not the primary drive but 25 is a long time... I might actually have an original program in a envelope somewhere.
I tried to run the GHOST.EXE under vDOS but that did not work,
I get CauseWay Error 07 : Unable to control A20 when trying Ghost under vDOS.? I will try to see if it can run on a XP machine.
Ulf
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You're right but dd won't do a ghost image.
On Fri, Apr 3, 2020 at 2:46 PM +0200, "Chuck Harris" <cfharris@...> wrote:
The utilities for cloning any drive come as the standard unix
dd in all linux and unix machines.
-Chuck Harris
ujonsson@... wrote:
> On Thu, Apr 2, 2020 at 02:26 PM, David DiGiacomo wrote:
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> Thanks!
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> I think Ghost run under DOS. Was probably 25 years since I used it.? I never used it for cloning a drive that was not the primary drive but 25 is a long time... I might actually have an original program in a envelope somewhere.
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> I tried to run the GHOST.EXE under vDOS but that did not work,
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> I get CauseWay Error 07 : Unable to control A20 when trying Ghost under vDOS.? I will try to see if it can run on a XP machine.
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> Ulf
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all you need is a win98 bootable floppy + a CD drive (either an external parallel port CD drive which is hard to find or an internal IDE one which is cheap)
you boot to DOS and run the ghost from the CD drive.?
I have done exactly this way to at least three 548xxA scopes...and get rid of the scope's hard drive. put a new compact flash (2GB or 4GB will be more than enough)
with IDE adapter ($2-$4 from china)?
you can go the SSD way but for such and old scope with win98, I wouldn't bother...
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dd simply copies the disk exactly as the data appears on the
drive. It is used in forensics to clone drives from crime scenes
as it makes an exact copy down to the partition tables, and bad
block tables.
What is your definition of a ghost image?
I recall it to be an exact clone of the drive.
-Chuck Harris
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You're right but dd won't do a ghost image.
-Rik
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A ghost image is a backup (full disk or only the partition) made by Norton ghost a DOS later Windows application (Norton later Symantic), it uses a proprietary technology to back up the disk.
You can't use dd to restore a ghost image.
-Rik
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-----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
Van: [email protected] <HP-Agilent-Keysight-
[email protected]> Namens Chuck Harris
Verzonden: vrijdag 3 april 2020 15:22
Aan: [email protected]
Onderwerp: Re: [HP-Agilent-Keysight-equipment] First Gen HP 54810A with
dead HD, Got ISO 3.5, Any way to write it to a drive?
dd simply copies the disk exactly as the data appears on the drive. It is used in
forensics to clone drives from crime scenes as it makes an exact copy down to
the partition tables, and bad block tables.
What is your definition of a ghost image?
I recall it to be an exact clone of the drive.
-Chuck Harris
Rik Bos wrote:
You're right but dd won't do a ghost image.
-Rik
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Hi Rik,
That is because the format that they use for storing the likely
compressed data is their own proprietary format.
dd can backup/copy a full disk, or a partition, or a file, it
doesn't care. It can deal with errors in a variety of ways, and
it can compress the results of its backup, and uncompress the
backup while doing the restore.
Very versatile, and free with linux.
Ok, you don't like linux, you say?
That's fine, download an ISO of any linux live distribution,
and boot into it from the CD/DVD, or thumbdrive, on your
machine, and use dd to do your dirty work. Still free.
-Chuck Harris
Rik Bos wrote:
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Show quoted text
A ghost image is a backup (full disk or only the partition) made by Norton ghost a DOS later Windows application (Norton later Symantic), it uses a proprietary technology to back up the disk.
You can't use dd to restore a ghost image.
-Rik
-----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
Van: [email protected] <HP-Agilent-Keysight-
[email protected]> Namens Chuck Harris
Verzonden: vrijdag 3 april 2020 15:22
Aan: [email protected]
Onderwerp: Re: [HP-Agilent-Keysight-equipment] First Gen HP 54810A with
dead HD, Got ISO 3.5, Any way to write it to a drive?
dd simply copies the disk exactly as the data appears on the drive. It is used in
forensics to clone drives from crime scenes as it makes an exact copy down to
the partition tables, and bad block tables.
What is your definition of a ghost image?
I recall it to be an exact clone of the drive.
-Chuck Harris
Rik Bos wrote:
You're right but dd won't do a ghost image.
-Rik
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+1 for Amirb's suggestion of a CF IDE adaptor. I've done this on a number of instruments.
Robert G8RPI.
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On Thu, Apr 2, 2020 at 12:58 AM, <ujonsson@...> wrote:
Hi,? My loved 54810A died on me.? It is the oldest Gen 1 unit no VIN running 95 and it has not been upgraded.? I did read up on the recovery process from the HP documentation and I have the version 3.5 disc image.??I can open the ISO and I find the files listed below files.?
HP suggested that one use a printer port CD Drive to recover it. The Ghost.EXE wont run on my win10 machine.?I do have an XP machine I might get GHOST to run on but it is a laptop.?
Any suggestion?? Another option but at a $250 cost would be to buy a drive from ebay but with all the uncertainty I rather do my part of bring the economy to a standstill :-(? ? a few month ago I would just have shelled out the $250 but...
Here are the files on the ISO.
GHOST.EXE
hp548cd.inf
HP548RCV.GHO
Regards,
Ulf
by the way, when you say the scope suddenly died, what exactly do you mean? Are you even sure that it is the hard drive malfunction? there are many other possibilites if it is confirmed to be the hard drive, then as I mentioned before, you do not need any ghost explorer or win xp or anything . all you need is download a bootable win98 floppy from internet with CD ROM support (many available) and make a bootable floppy you can get a nice little USB floppy drive for $10-$15 from amazon or something if you need then you burn the 3.5 recovery iso image? on a CD ROM (even windows built in cd burner works) get the image from Tony G depository here then you need a 40 pin IDE cd drive to be connected to the motherboard directly (again very cheap to find or pull from old PC) get a compact flash (CF) card and CF card IDE adapter (40 pin) and insert it right on top of the IDE connector on the motherboard you can get the 5V supply for that from the nearby USB header on the motherboard boot the scope to floppy and navigate to the CD rom and run the ghost.exe and watch it for a while and you are done but first you need to make sure it is really the hard drive that has died
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by the way, later you can download the V4.3 and V4.5 from Tony G depository (above) and update the software first to 4.3 and then to 4.5
for that you simply need to connect that CD drive to the IDE header again and put those upgrade files on a CD rom and then navigate to the CD drive in windows 98
and run the upgrade (forget what that HP manual says)
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I cant be 100% sure but it is not booting up and when I took the drive out I could at first not read anything from is using a USB-IDE adapter. After some gentle tapping I got it to spin up once and I got some of the files off it.
?I did the drill modification and hooked up a DVD player that I had with IDE to the secondary IDE port on the motherboard and I created a Win 98 SE boot floppy.? ?It boots up from the floppy and creates a virtual disc A: but it is not able to install drivers for the CD player. I probably need to find newer drivers that match the DVD burner.
If I stop the boot and go to the BIOS setup its not showing the DVD player. I also tried to hook up a 5.25" IDE Hard drive to the secondary IDE and that was not showing up in the BIOS either.?I then went in and changed the BIOS to activate the primary and secondary IDE's, hooked up the 5.25 to the primary on board IDE and it tried to boot from it.? It turned out to have Linux on it so it started up GRUB Rescue...? There is hope.? I wish I had a day to focus on it.? I'm working like crazy. I'm one of 4 people in a lab that normally have 600 people in it...
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Rik Bos