E4406A Input Attenuator


 

Hi All,


I just acquired an E4406A and put it on my bench. It seems to work fine except that it is consistently reading 15dB low.

Poking around I found a control for the input attenuator and that seems to have no impact on the measured value. From there I looked at the services/test guide and ran through the 50MHz Input Attenuator Accuracy test and that showed no change so I think that the attenuator is stuck.

Before I start pulling this apart I thought I might check in to see if I'm missed something in the system settings that might cause this?

Thanks,

TonyG



 

Sounds like you on the right track , If you lucky the relay is just stuck as you say and you might exercise your way out of it... could also have suffered from input overload ...a bit harder to fix

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Hi All,


I just acquired an E4406A and put it on my bench. It seems to work fine except that it is consistently reading 15dB low.

Poking around I found a control for the input attenuator and that seems to have no impact on the measured value. From there I looked at the services/test guide and ran through the 50MHz Input Attenuator Accuracy test and that showed no change so I think that the attenuator is stuck.

Before I start pulling this apart I thought I might check in to see if I'm missed something in the system settings that might cause this?

Thanks,

TonyG



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Thanks � I took the unit apart, including opening up the A17 RF Assembly, and there didnt appear to be any mechanical relays in there. I couldnt find any information on the components closest to the RF input to identify any solid state relays or programmable attenuators.

In checking around I saw that Agilent promised in 2014 to post the CLIPs for the E4406A but they dont seem to have followed through on that.

Does anyone happen to have them and could send me the A17 one?

Thanks,

TonyG

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Sounds like you on the right track , If you lucky the relay is just stuck as you say and you might exercise your way out of it... could also have suffered from input overload ...a bit harder to fix
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Hi All,

I just acquired an E4406A and put it on my bench. It seems to work fine except that it is consistently reading 15dB low.

Poking around I found a control for the input attenuator and that seems to have no impact on the measured value. From there I looked at the services/test guide and ran through the 50MHz Input Attenuator Accuracy test and that showed no change so I think that the attenuator is stuck.

Before I start pulling this apart I thought I might check in to see if I'm missed something in the system settings that might cause this?

Thanks,

TonyG





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Can you get a few good pictures of the RF section and post them? Maybe we can identify how they did the attenuators. Some that I have seen used Gaas smt spdt RF switches for the attenuators. Later 8657 sig gens did this.

Regards

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Thanks  I took the unit apart, including opening up the A17 RF Assembly, and there didnt appear to be any mechanical relays in there. I couldnt find any information on the components closest to the RF input to identify any solid state relays or programmable attenuators.

In checking around I saw that Agilent promised in 2014 to post the CLIPs for the E4406A but they dont seem to have followed through on that.

Does anyone happen to have them and could send me the A17 one?

Thanks,

TonyG

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Sounds like you on the right track , If you lucky the relay is just stuck as you say and you might exercise your way out of it... could also have suffered from input overload ...a bit harder to fix
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Hi All,

I just acquired an E4406A and put it on my bench. It seems to work fine except that it is consistently reading 15dB low.

Poking around I found a control for the input attenuator and that seems to have no impact on the measured value. From there I looked at the services/test guide and ran through the 50MHz Input Attenuator Accuracy test and that showed no change so I think that the attenuator is stuck.

Before I start pulling this apart I thought I might check in to see if I'm missed something in the system settings that might cause this?

Thanks,

TonyG





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Hey Tom - Thanks for the reply.

David.DiG sent me the CLIP (I'm hosting it here for now) and that provided the key detail to identify the bits.

The top of the board near the input looks like this:


but it turns out that the attenuator is on the bottom of the board:


This part is AT1, which interestingly doesn't seem to be listed in the parts list but is marked on the schematic and the IC itself as 1GM1-4203. Now either that has failed in such a way to put 15dB of attenuation inline or something in the control circuit has died and is asserting some combination of control lines to drive AT1 to 15dB.

I don't know if it is safe to apply an Occam's Razor to this but it does seem more likely that AT1 died than multiple op amps (MC33178D), resistors or capacitors have died.

It looks like I might be able to remove the shielding and plug the card in and probe the control lines to see what is asserted.

If anyone has any other suggestions I'm open to thoughts/comments. Any idea of where I might get a replacement 1GM1-4203 would be helpful as well.

Thanks,

TonyG


 

Tom

Have sent the rf clip to tony--the pictures you are asking for are very easy
to find on the internet



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Can you get a few good pictures of the RF section and post them? Maybe we
can identify how they did the attenuators. Some that I have seen used Gaas
smt spdt RF switches for the attenuators. Later 8657 sig gens did this.

Regards

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Subject: RE: [hp_agilent_equipment] E4406A Input Attenuator

Thanks I took the unit apart, including opening up the A17 RF Assembly,
and there didnt appear to be any mechanical relays in there. I couldnt
find any information on the components closest to the RF input to identify
any solid state relays or programmable attenuators.

In checking around I saw that Agilent promised in 2014 to post the CLIPs for

the E4406A but they dont seem to have followed through on that.

Does anyone happen to have them and could send me the A17 one?

Thanks,

TonyG

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Sounds like you on the right track , If you lucky the relay is just stuck as

you say and you might exercise your way out of it... could also have
suffered from input overload ...a bit harder to fix
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Hi All,

I just acquired an E4406A and put it on my bench. It seems to work fine
except that it is consistently reading 15dB low.

Poking around I found a control for the input attenuator and that seems to
have no impact on the measured value. From there I looked at the
services/test guide and ran through the 50MHz Input Attenuator Accuracy test

and that showed no change so I think that the attenuator is stuck.

Before I start pulling this apart I thought I might check in to see if I'm
missed something in the system settings that might cause this?

Thanks,

TonyG

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Tom Miller
 

The input switch U38(spdt GaAs) is available. Do a google search for it. MGS-71018 . I have seen these get lossy at 10 to 20 dB. That would be the first thing I would try.
This should work though it is only rated to 2.5 GHz but has the same levels:
Or maybe find the exact part on google.
The attenuator may be hard to find so hope it is the switch. It is the first thing in line to be damaged by a oops.
Tom

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Hey Tom - Thanks for the reply.

David.DiG sent me the CLIP (I'm hosting it here for now) and that provided the key detail to identify the bits.

The top of the board near the input looks like this:


but it turns out that the attenuator is on the bottom of the board:


This part is AT1, which interestingly doesn't seem to be listed in the parts list but is marked on the schematic and the IC itself as 1GM1-4203. Now either that has failed in such a way to put 15dB of attenuation inline or something in the control circuit has died and is asserting some combination of control lines to drive AT1 to 15dB.

I don't know if it is safe to apply an Oc cam's Razor to this but it does seem more likely that AT1 died than multiple op amps (MC33178D), resistors or capacitors have died.

It looks like I might be able to remove the shielding and plug the card in and probe the control lines to see what is asserted.

If anyone has any other suggestions I'm open to thoughts/comments. Any idea of where I might get a replacement 1GM1-4203 would be helpful as well.

Thanks,

TonyG


Tom Miller
 

I'm betting it is the GaAs spdt rf switch on the input that has the loss.

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Tom

Have sent the rf clip to tony--the pictures you are asking for are very easy
to find on the internet

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Can you get a few good pictures of the RF section and post them? Maybe we
can identify how they did the attenuators. Some that I have seen used Gaas
smt spdt RF switches for the attenuators. Later 8657 sig gens did this.

Regards

----- Original Message -----
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Subject: RE: [hp_agilent_equipment] E4406A Input Attenuator

Thanks I took the unit apart, including opening up the A17 RF Assembly,
and there didnt appear to be any mechanical relays in there. I couldnt
find any information on the components closest to the RF input to identify
any solid state relays or programmable attenuators.

In checking around I saw that Agilent promised in 2014 to post the CLIPs for

the E4406A but they dont seem to have followed through on that.

Does anyone happen to have them and could send me the A17 one?

Thanks,

TonyG

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Sounds like you on the right track , If you lucky the relay is just stuck as

you say and you might exercise your way out of it... could also have
suffered from input overload ...a bit harder to fix
On 7/9/2017 2:30 PM,
tony_goodhew@...
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Hi All,

I just acquired an E4406A and put it on my bench. It seems to work fine
except that it is consistently reading 15dB low.

Poking around I found a control for the input attenuator and that seems to
have no impact on the measured value. From there I looked at the
services/test guide and ran through the 50MHz Input Attenuator Accuracy test

and that showed no change so I think that the attenuator is stuck.

Before I start pulling this apart I thought I might check in to see if I'm
missed something in the system settings that might cause this?

Thanks,

TonyG

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Tom et al

If the loss is exactly 15 DB i would look for something else.

Regards

Hardy

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I'm betting it is the GaAs spdt rf switch on the input that has the loss.

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Tom

Have sent the rf clip to tony--the pictures you are asking for are very easy
to find on the internet

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Can you get a few good pictures of the RF section and post them? Maybe we
can identify how they did the attenuators. Some that I have seen used Gaas
smt spdt RF switches for the attenuators. Later 8657 sig gens did this.

Regards

----- Original Message -----
From: "Tony Goodhew tony_goodhew@... [hp_agilent_equipment]"

To:
Sent: Sunday, July 09, 2017 5:56 PM
Subject: RE: [hp_agilent_equipment] E4406A Input Attenuator

Thanks I took the unit apart, including opening up the A17 RF Assembly,
and there didnt appear to be any mechanical relays in there. I couldnt
find any information on the components closest to the RF input to identify
any solid state relays or programmable attenuators.

In checking around I saw that Agilent promised in 2014 to post the CLIPs for

the E4406A but they dont seem to have followed through on that.

Does anyone happen to have them and could send me the A17 one?

Thanks,

TonyG

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Sounds like you on the right track , If you lucky the relay is just stuck as

you say and you might exercise your way out of it... could also have
suffered from input overload ...a bit harder to fix
On 7/9/2017 2:30 PM,
tony_goodhew@...
[hp_agilent_equipment] wrote:

Hi All,

I just acquired an E4406A and put it on my bench. It seems to work fine
except that it is consistently reading 15dB low.

Poking around I found a control for the input attenuator and that seems to
have no impact on the measured value. From there I looked at the
services/test guide and ran through the 50MHz Input Attenuator Accuracy test

and that showed no change so I think that the attenuator is stuck.

Before I start pulling this apart I thought I might check in to see if I'm
missed something in the system settings that might cause this?

Thanks,

TonyG

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Tom Miller
 

It sure could be something else. Even a low LO to the mixer.

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Tom et al

If the loss is exactly 15 DB i would look for something else.

Regards

Hardy

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I'm betting it is the GaAs spdt rf switch on the input that has the loss.

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Have sent the rf clip to tony--the pictures you are asking for are very easy
to find on the internet

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Can you get a few good pictures of the RF section and post them? Maybe we
can identify how they did the attenuators. Some that I have seen used Gaas
smt spdt RF switches for the attenuators. Later 8657 sig gens did this.

Regards

----- Original Message -----
From: "Tony Goodhew tony_goodhew@... [hp_agilent_equipment]"

To:
Sent: Sunday, July 09, 2017 5:56 PM
Subject: RE: [hp_agilent_equipment] E4406A Input Attenuator

Thanks I took the unit apart, including opening up the A17 RF Assembly,
and there didnt appear to be any mechanical relays in there. I couldnt
find any information on the components closest to the RF input to identify
any solid state relays or programmable attenuators.

In checking around I saw that Agilent promised in 2014 to post the CLIPs for

the E4406A but they dont seem to have followed through on that.

Does anyone happen to have them and could send me the A17 one?

Thanks,

TonyG

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Sounds like you on the right track , If you lucky the relay is just stuck as

you say and you might exercise your way out of it... could also have
suffered from input overload ...a bit harder to fix
On 7/9/2017 2:30 PM,
tony_goodhew@...
[hp_agilent_equipment] wrote:

Hi All,

I just acquired an E4406A and put it on my bench. It seems to work fine
except that it is consistently reading 15dB low.

Poking around I found a control for the input attenuator and that seems to
have no impact on the measured value. From there I looked at the
services/test guide and ran through the 50MHz Input Attenuator Accuracy test

and that showed no change so I think that the attenuator is stuck.

Before I start pulling this apart I thought I might check in to see if I'm
missed something in the system settings that might cause this?

Thanks,

TonyG

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Yes

But it completes selftest--so the faullt has to be between rf input connector and rf switch(used only for cal)- first mixer.

The selftest checks frontend att 1 dB steps from 0-40 with a 50Mhz signal .

Hardy

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It sure could be something else. Even a low LO to the mixer.

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If the loss is exactly 15 DB i would look for something else.

Regards

Hardy

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I'm betting it is the GaAs spdt rf switch on the input that has the loss.

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Have sent the rf clip to tony--the pictures you are asking for are very easy
to find on the internet

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Can you get a few good pictures of the RF section and post them? Maybe we
can identify how they did the attenuators. Some that I have seen used Gaas
smt spdt RF switches for the attenuators. Later 8657 sig gens did this.

Regards

----- Original Message -----
From: "Tony Goodhew tony_goodhew@... [hp_agilent_equipment]"

To:
Sent: Sunday, July 09, 2017 5:56 PM
Subject: RE: [hp_agilent_equipment] E4406A Input Attenuator

Thanks I took the unit apart, including opening up the A17 RF Assembly,
and there didnt appear to be any mechanical relays in there. I couldnt
find any information on the components closest to the RF input to identify
any solid state relays or programmable attenuators.

In checking around I saw that Agilent promised in 2014 to post the CLIPs for

the E4406A but they dont seem to have followed through on that.

Does anyone happen to have them and could send me the A17 one?

Thanks,

TonyG

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Sounds like you on the right track , If you lucky the relay is just stuck as

you say and you might exercise your way out of it... could also have
suffered from input overload ...a bit harder to fix
On 7/9/2017 2:30 PM,
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Hi All,

I just acquired an E4406A and put it on my bench. It seems to work fine
except that it is consistently reading 15dB low.

Poking around I found a control for the input attenuator and that seems to
have no impact on the measured value. From there I looked at the
services/test guide and ran through the 50MHz Input Attenuator Accuracy test

and that showed no change so I think that the attenuator is stuck.

Before I start pulling this apart I thought I might check in to see if I'm
missed something in the system settings that might cause this?

Thanks,

TonyG

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Thanks all � For a bit more information here is what I experience:


1. Set sig gen to 50 MHz, 0dBm
2. Measure signal using VSA == -16.25dBm
3. Set input attenuator for 40dB
4. Measure signal using VSA == -15.4dBm
5. Change sig gen to 1000Mhz, 0dBm
6. Measure signal using VSA == -16.2dBm

Changing the input attenuator does seem to change where the noise floor is but doesnt seem to impact the measured signal at all. This seems strange to me but I am far from proficient using this piece of gear.

BTW The unit passes all self-tests & alignments without error but does seem to exhibit a problem (reported here on the forum before) of the LAN connection losing its IP address between reboots).

TonyG

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Yes
But it completes selftest--so the faullt has to be between rf input connector and rf switch(used only for cal)- first mixer.
The selftest checks frontend att 1 dB steps from 0-40 with a 50Mhz signal .
Hardy


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It sure could be something else. Even a low LO to the mixer.


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Tom et al
If the loss is exactly 15 DB i would look for something else.
Regards
Hardy
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I'm betting it is the GaAs spdt rf switch on the input that has the loss.
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Tom

Have sent the rf clip to tony--the pictures you are asking for are very easy
to find on the internet

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[mailto:hp_agilent_equipment@...]
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Emne: Re: [hp_agilent_equipment] E4406A Input Attenuator

Can you get a few good pictures of the RF section and post them? Maybe we
can identify how they did the attenuators. Some that I have seen used Gaas
smt spdt RF switches for the attenuators. Later 8657 sig gens did this.

Regards

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<hp_agilent_equipment@...>
To: <hp_agilent_equipment@...>
Sent: Sunday, July 09, 2017 5:56 PM
Subject: RE: [hp_agilent_equipment] E4406A Input Attenuator

Thanks I took the unit apart, including opening up the A17 RF Assembly,
and there didnt appear to be any mechanical relays in there. I couldnt
find any information on the components closest to the RF input to identify
any solid state relays or programmable attenuators.

In checking around I saw that Agilent promised in 2014 to post the CLIPs for

the E4406A but they dont seem to have followed through on that.

Does anyone happen to have them and could send me the A17 one?

Thanks,

TonyG

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Subject: Re: [hp_agilent_equipment] E4406A Input Attenuator

Sounds like you on the right track , If you lucky the relay is just stuck as

you say and you might exercise your way out of it... could also have
suffered from input overload ...a bit harder to fix
On 7/9/2017 2:30 PM,
tony_goodhew@...<mailto:tony_goodhew@...>
[hp_agilent_equipment] wrote:

Hi All,

I just acquired an E4406A and put it on my bench. It seems to work fine
except that it is consistently reading 15dB low.

Poking around I found a control for the input attenuator and that seems to
have no impact on the measured value. From there I looked at the
services/test guide and ran through the 50MHz Input Attenuator Accuracy test

and that showed no change so I think that the attenuator is stuck.

Before I start pulling this apart I thought I might check in to see if I'm
missed something in the system settings that might cause this?

Thanks,

TonyG

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This is normal when you chance att settings-all but noisefloor will remain
steady-thats one of the good things whith the new type of analyzers--
Hardy

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Thanks all - For a bit more information here is what I experience:


1. Set sig gen to 50 MHz, 0dBm
2. Measure signal using VSA == -16.25dBm
3. Set input attenuator for 40dB
4. Measure signal using VSA == -15.4dBm
5. Change sig gen to 1000Mhz, 0dBm
6. Measure signal using VSA == -16.2dBm

Changing the input attenuator does seem to change where the noise floor is
but doesn't seem to impact the measured signal at all. This seems strange to
me but I am far from proficient using this piece of gear.

BTW The unit passes all self-tests & alignments without error but does seem
to exhibit a problem (reported here on the forum before) of the LAN
connection losing it's IP address between reboots).

TonyG

Sent from Mail<> for Windows
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From: 'hardy hansen' hardyhansen@...
[hp_agilent_equipment]<mailto:hp_agilent_equipment@...>
Sent: Monday, July 10, 2017 4:59 AM
To:
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Subject: SV: [hp_agilent_equipment] E4406A Input Attenuator


Yes
But it completes selftest--so the faullt has to be between rf input
connector and rf switch(used only for cal)- first mixer.
The selftest checks frontend att 1 dB steps from 0-40 with a 50Mhz signal
.
Hardy


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Sendt: 10. juli 2017 05:43
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It sure could be something else. Even a low LO to the mixer.

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Subject: SV: [hp_agilent_equipment] E4406A Input Attenuator


Tom et al
If the loss is exactly 15 DB i would look for something else.
Regards
Hardy
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I'm betting it is the GaAs spdt rf switch on the input that has the loss.
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Tom

Have sent the rf clip to tony--the pictures you are asking for are very easy
to find on the internet

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Emne: Re: [hp_agilent_equipment] E4406A Input Attenuator

Can you get a few good pictures of the RF section and post them? Maybe we
can identify how they did the attenuators. Some that I have seen used Gaas
smt spdt RF switches for the attenuators. Later 8657 sig gens did this.

Regards

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To: <hp_agilent_equipment@...>
Sent: Sunday, July 09, 2017 5:56 PM
Subject: RE: [hp_agilent_equipment] E4406A Input Attenuator

Thanks I took the unit apart, including opening up the A17 RF Assembly,
and there didnt appear to be any mechanical relays in there. I couldnt
find any information on the components closest to the RF input to identify
any solid state relays or programmable attenuators.

In checking around I saw that Agilent promised in 2014 to post the CLIPs for

the E4406A but they dont seem to have followed through on that.

Does anyone happen to have them and could send me the A17 one?

Thanks,

TonyG

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Subject: Re: [hp_agilent_equipment] E4406A Input Attenuator

Sounds like you on the right track , If you lucky the relay is just stuck as

you say and you might exercise your way out of it... could also have
suffered from input overload ...a bit harder to fix
On 7/9/2017 2:30 PM,
tony_goodhew@...<mailto:tony_goodhew@...>
[hp_agilent_equipment] wrote:

Hi All,

I just acquired an E4406A and put it on my bench. It seems to work fine
except that it is consistently reading 15dB low.

Poking around I found a control for the input attenuator and that seems to
have no impact on the measured value. From there I looked at the
services/test guide and ran through the 50MHz Input Attenuator Accuracy test

and that showed no change so I think that the attenuator is stuck.

Before I start pulling this apart I thought I might check in to see if I'm
missed something in the system settings that might cause this?

Thanks,

TonyG

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ok

You use the input att to optimize your dynamic range of the analyzer--thats first of all determined by the first mixer 2d 3d compression point.Most hp analyzers are made to use the full dynamic range with signals below -20dBm--one normally use the input att to place the input signal at that range to have the max dynamic range---or optimize when using an external low noise preamp.

Hardy

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Sendt: 10. juli 2017 19:05
Til: hp_agilent_equipment@...
Emne: SV: [hp_agilent_equipment] E4406A Input Attenuator

This is normal when you chance att settings-all but noisefloor will remain
steady-thats one of the good things whith the new type of analyzers--
Hardy

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Sendt: 10. juli 2017 16:18
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Emne: RE: [hp_agilent_equipment] E4406A Input Attenuator

Thanks all - For a bit more information here is what I experience:

1. Set sig gen to 50 MHz, 0dBm
2. Measure signal using VSA == -16.25dBm
3. Set input attenuator for 40dB
4. Measure signal using VSA == -15.4dBm
5. Change sig gen to 1000Mhz, 0dBm
6. Measure signal using VSA == -16.2dBm

Changing the input attenuator does seem to change where the noise floor is
but doesn't seem to impact the measured signal at all. This seems strange to
me but I am far from proficient using this piece of gear.

BTW The unit passes all self-tests & alignments without error but does seem
to exhibit a problem (reported here on the forum before) of the LAN
connection losing it's IP address between reboots).

TonyG

Sent from Mail for Windows
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From: 'hardy hansen' hardyhansen@...
[hp_agilent_equipment]
Sent: Monday, July 10, 2017 4:59 AM
To:
hp_agilent_equipment@... .com>
Subject: SV: [hp_agilent_equipment] E4406A Input Attenuator

Yes
But it completes selftest--so the faullt has to be between rf input
connector and rf switch(used only for cal)- first mixer.
The selftest checks frontend att 1 dB steps from 0-40 with a 50Mhz signal
.
Hardy

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[mailto:hp_agilent_equipment@...]
Sendt: 10. juli 2017 05:43
Til: hp_agilent_equipment@...
Emne: Re: [hp_agilent_equipment] E4406A Input Attenuator

It sure could be something else. Even a low LO to the mixer.

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Subject: SV: [hp_agilent_equipment] E4406A Input Attenuator

Tom et al
If the loss is exactly 15 DB i would look for something else.
Regards
Hardy
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I'm betting it is the GaAs spdt rf switch on the input that has the loss.
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Tom

Have sent the rf clip to tony--the pictures you are asking for are very easy
to find on the internet

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Emne: Re: [hp_agilent_equipment] E4406A Input Attenuator

Can you get a few good pictures of the RF section and post them? Maybe we
can identify how they did the attenuators. Some that I have seen used Gaas
smt spdt RF switches for the attenuators. Later 8657 sig gens did this.

Regards

----- Original Message -----
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To:
Sent: Sunday, July 09, 2017 5:56 PM
Subject: RE: [hp_agilent_equipment] E4406A Input Attenuator

Thanks I took the unit apart, including opening up the A17 RF Assembly,
and there didnt appear to be any mechanical relays in there. I couldnt
find any information on the components closest to the RF input to identify
any solid state relays or programmable attenuators.

In checking around I saw that Agilent promised in 2014 to post the CLIPs for

the E4406A but they dont seem to have followed through on that.

Does anyone happen to have them and could send me the A17 one?

Thanks,

TonyG

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From: Artek Manuals manuals@...
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hp_agilent_equipment@... .com>
Subject: Re: [hp_agilent_equipment] E4406A Input Attenuator

Sounds like you on the right track , If you lucky the relay is just stuck as

you say and you might exercise your way out of it... could also have
suffered from input overload ...a bit harder to fix
On 7/9/2017 2:30 PM,
tony_goodhew@...
[hp_agilent_equipment] wrote:

Hi All,

I just acquired an E4406A and put it on my bench. It seems to work fine
except that it is consistently reading 15dB low.

Poking around I found a control for the input attenuator and that seems to
have no impact on the measured value. From there I looked at the
services/test guide and ran through the 50MHz Input Attenuator Accuracy test

and that showed no change so I think that the attenuator is stuck.

Before I start pulling this apart I thought I might check in to see if I'm
missed something in the system settings that might cause this?

Thanks,

TonyG

--

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Did you check input attenuator (if remember 7dB 5W SMA-m SMA-f) just
behind input N connector?
For IP address and real time clock, change the battery on main board -
Panasonic BR2325 Lithium Polycarbon Monofloride
3V, 0.16 Ah.
Milan

On 10 Jul 2017 21:02, "'hardy hansen' hardyhansen@... [hp_agilent_equipment]" <hp_agilent_equipment@...> wrote:

ok

You use the input att to optimize your dynamic range of the analyzer--thats first of all determined by the first mixer 2d 3d compression point.Most hp analyzers are made to use the full dynamic range with signals below -20dBm--one normally use the input att to place the input signal at that range to have the max dynamic range---or optimize when using an external low noise preamp.

Hardy

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Sendt: 10. juli 2017 19:05
Til: hp_agilent_equipment@yahoogroups.com
Emne: SV: [hp_agilent_equipment] E4406A Input Attenuator

This is normal when you chance att settings-all but noisefloor will remain
steady-thats one of the good things whith the new type of analyzers--
Hardy

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[mailto:hp_agilent_equipment@yahoogroups.com]
Sendt: 10. juli 2017 16:18
Til: hp_agilent_equipment@yahoogroups.com
Emne: RE: [hp_agilent_equipment] E4406A Input Attenuator

Thanks all - For a bit more information here is what I experience:

1. Set sig gen to 50 MHz, 0dBm
2. Measure signal using VSA == -16.25dBm
3. Set input attenuator for 40dB
4. Measure signal using VSA == -15.4dBm
5. Change sig gen to 1000Mhz, 0dBm
6. Measure signal using VSA == -16.2dBm

Changing the input attenuator does seem to change where the noise floor is
but doesn't seem to impact the measured signal at all. This seems strange to
me but I am far from proficient using this piece of gear.

BTW The unit passes all self-tests & alignments without error but does seem
to exhibit a problem (reported here on the forum before) of the LAN
connection losing it's IP address between reboots).

TonyG

Sent from Mail<> for Windows
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From: 'hardy hansen' hardyhansen@...
[hp_agilent_equipment]hp_agilent_equipment@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, July 10, 2017 4:59 AM
To:
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.com>
Subject: SV: [hp_agilent_equipment] E4406A Input Attenuator

Yes
But it completes selftest--so the faullt has to be between rf input
connector and rf switch(used only for cal)- first mixer.
The selftest checks frontend att 1 dB steps from 0-40 with a 50Mhz signal
.
Hardy

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[mailto:hp_agilent_equipment@yahoogroups.com]
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It sure could be something else. Even a low LO to the mixer.

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Subject: SV: [hp_agilent_equipment] E4406A Input Attenuator

Tom et al
If the loss is exactly 15 DB i would look for something else.
Regards
Hardy
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I'm betting it is the GaAs spdt rf switch on the input that has the loss.
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Tom

Have sent the rf clip to tony--the pictures you are asking for are very easy
to find on the internet

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.com>
[mailto:hp_agilent_equipment@yahoogroups.com]
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Can you get a few good pictures of the RF section and post them? Maybe we
can identify how they did the attenuators. Some that I have seen used Gaas
smt spdt RF switches for the attenuators. Later 8657 sig gens did this.

Regards

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Sent: Sunday, July 09, 2017 5:56 PM
Subject: RE: [hp_agilent_equipment] E4406A Input Attenuator

Thanks I took the unit apart, including opening up the A17 RF Assembly,
and there didn t appear to be any mechanical relays in there. I couldn t
find any information on the components closest to the RF input to identify
any solid state relays or programmable attenuators.

In checking around I saw that Agilent promised in 2014 to post the CLIPs for

the E4406A but they don t seem to have followed through on that.

Does anyone happen to have them and could send me the A17 one?

Thanks,

TonyG

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Sent: Sunday, July 9, 2017 11:36 AM
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Subject: Re: [hp_agilent_equipment] E4406A Input Attenuator

Sounds like you on the right track , If you lucky the relay is just stuck as

you say and you might exercise your way out of it... could also have
suffered from input overload ...a bit harder to fix
On 7/9/2017 2:30 PM,
tony_goodhew@...<mailto:tony_goodhew@hotmail.com>
[hp_agilent_equipment] wrote:

Hi All,

I just acquired an E4406A and put it on my bench. It seems to work fine
except that it is consistently reading 15dB low.

Poking around I found a control for the input attenuator and that seems to
have no impact on the measured value. From there I looked at the
services/test guide and ran through the 50MHz Input Attenuator Accuracy test

and that showed no change so I think that the attenuator is stuck.

Before I start pulling this apart I thought I might check in to see if I'm
missed something in the system settings that might cause this?

Thanks,

TonyG

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