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Circular Polarisation in Waveguide


Chris Bartram
 

Lothar

Ok guys this is not directly related to agilent t+m but im
banging my <br> head on the wall with this !<br>
Im looking for material on how to design and build a turnstile <br>
polarization converter, i googled up and down but cant find anything <br>
usefull , not even in the books i have.<br>
The problem i have requires me to design and build a 36GHz circular <br>
polarized horn antenna, the antenna needs to have two ports one for <br>
right and the other one for left turn polarization .<br>
any help would be appreciated <br>
There are number of ways of doing this, but at 36GHz there's a rather more
limited number of choices. Techniques such as the use of coax hybrids are
definitely not usable, and the septum polariser becomes tricky to make above
about 10GHz. My suggestion would be to split the problem: use an
otho-mode-transducer to launch two orthogonal linearly polarised waves into a
length of circular waveguide, and then delay one polarisation by 90degrees
using a suitable polariser. I don't think there's a simple 'recipe' for a
feed that I could recommend - frequency scaling of a waveguide component is
often quite complex. However, the late Dick Turrin, W2IMU, (of Bell Labs)
wrote an interesting paper describing such a system for amateur 10GHz EME
back in the 1980s which might scale reasonably easily. That's on my ham radio
web site:
either <www.christopherbartramrfdesign.com/blaenffos/indexgw4dgu.html> or
<www.blaenffos.org/indexgw4dgu.html> should get you there.

There is a book: 'Waveguide Components for Antenna Feed Systems' by Uher,
Bornemann & Rosenberg. (Artech House) which is very good, but rather
expensive. ($200?) You may be able to find it in a library, though. In the
UK, most university libraries allow public access, if you ask nicely...

If you are doing waveguide design, I'd also strongly recommend that you try to
get access to a 3D electromagnetic simulator such as HFSS. That can save
considerable hair loss, although in my case that's less of a consideration
than it used to be!

BTW. Thanks for the ongoing observations, tips and transferred knowledge. I
find your posts to this group very useful. There are some very bright
contributors to the group, and it's on my daily 'must read' list!

Best wishes

Chris Bartram
(actively playing 10GHz Moonbounce as GW4DGU)


davec
 

HP used to sell a 3D SW package for simulating E-M fields that looked pretty nice
but was hugely expensive (>$30,000). Can you tell us more about this HFSS please?

Thanks,
-John
-=-=-=-

From Agilent web site:

"15 June 2001

High-Frequency Structure Simulator (HFSS) is no longer available for purchase from Agilent EEsof EDA. Ansoft Corporation has purchased the rights to Agilent's HFSS technology and is now the only source of HFSS for purchase."

Anasoft HFSS web page:

<>

Dave


lothar baier
 

HFSS is on my alltime wish list , i have used it at motorola before and its a good tool however i couldt find the spare change to buy it :) the sucker is just too expensive, spending the annual maintenance fees on my MWO installation almost causes a marital crisis in this household and thats only $2000 so even if i would have the $ then my wife would probably get a heart attack me spending this much on SW.
The problem is that there is not much cheap stuff out there if it comes to true 3D EM Simulation, there are some planar 3D tools such as EM3DS that have good freeware versions or sonnet lite but they are only good for planar designs.
I found another tool WIPL-D which is reasonable and has a shareware version but dont know yet if its any good.
As to the Antenna, its just a regular circular horn antenna, it doesnt have to excite a dish or something, basically its used in a target simulator to test sport radar guns, the guy shoots into the simulator from about 6ft away and then reads the simulated speed on his gun

Chris Bartram <yahoo@...> wrote:
Lothar

Ok guys this is not directly related to agilent t&#43;m but im
banging my <br> head on the wall with this !<br>
Im looking for material on how to design and build a turnstile <br>
polarization converter, i googled up and down but cant find anything <br>
usefull , not even in the books i have.<br>
The problem i have requires me to design and build a 36GHz circular <br>
polarized horn antenna, the antenna needs to have two ports one for <br>
right and the other one for left turn polarization .<br>
any help would be appreciated <br>
There are number of ways of doing this, but at 36GHz there's a rather more
limited number of choices. Techniques such as the use of coax hybrids are
definitely not usable, and the septum polariser becomes tricky to make above
about 10GHz. My suggestion would be to split the problem: use an
otho-mode-transducer to launch two orthogonal linearly polarised waves into a
length of circular waveguide, and then delay one polarisation by 90degrees
using a suitable polariser. I don't think there's a simple 'recipe' for a
feed that I could recommend - frequency scaling of a waveguide component is
often quite complex. However, the late Dick Turrin, W2IMU, (of Bell Labs)
wrote an interesting paper describing such a system for amateur 10GHz EME
back in the 1980s which might scale reasonably easily. That's on my ham radio
web site:
either <www.christopherbartramrfdesign.com/blaenffos/indexgw4dgu.html> or
<www.blaenffos.org/indexgw4dgu.html> should get you there.

There is a book: 'Waveguide Components for Antenna Feed Systems' by Uher,
Bornemann & Rosenberg. (Artech House) which is very good, but rather
expensive. ($200?) You may be able to find it in a library, though. In the
UK, most university libraries allow public access, if you ask nicely...

If you are doing waveguide design, I'd also strongly recommend that you try to
get access to a 3D electromagnetic simulator such as HFSS. That can save
considerable hair loss, although in my case that's less of a consideration
than it used to be!

BTW. Thanks for the ongoing observations, tips and transferred knowledge. I
find your posts to this group very useful. There are some very bright
contributors to the group, and it's on my daily 'must read' list!

Best wishes

Chris Bartram
(actively playing 10GHz Moonbounce as GW4DGU)




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J Forster
 

Chris Bartram wrote:

[snip]

If you are doing waveguide design, I'd also strongly recommend that you try to
get access to a 3D electromagnetic simulator such as HFSS. [snip]
HP used to sell a 3D SW package for simulating E-M fields that looked pretty nice
but was hugely expensive (>$30,000). Can you tell us more about this HFSS please?

Thanks,
-John