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Need urgent help with bulk TE manuals shipping problem


 

I have a huge pile of HP and other test equipment manuals in a storage unit in Reseville CA.
To be shipped to Sydney Australia. I have a shipping quote, valid till the 22nd Jan.
But I'm having trouble finding a source of cardboard boxes suitable for packing the manuals
for transport in a 20' shipping container, and I'm running out of time.

Perhaps someone here can suggest a supplier?

Details:


Guy


 

Home Depot, Lowes, and U-Haul all sell packing boxes.

Steve Hendrix

On 2022-01-11 10:38 AM, Guy Dunphy wrote:
I have a huge pile of HP and other test equipment manuals in a storage unit in Reseville CA.
To be shipped to Sydney Australia. I have a shipping quote, valid till the 22nd Jan.
But I'm having trouble finding a source of cardboard boxes suitable for packing the manuals
for transport in a 20' shipping container, and I'm running out of time.

Perhaps someone here can suggest a supplier?

Details:


Guy




 

Guy, Not cheap, but could you hire a moving company to pack these? They would have boxes and would hire local people to do the packing. Since they're movers, they would have the appropriate strength boxes.


 

At 08:02 AM 11/01/2022 -0800, you wrote:
Guy, Not cheap, but could you hire a moving company to pack these? They would have boxes and would
hire local people to do the packing. Since they're movers, they would have the appropriate strength boxes.

Actually I do have a moving company lined up as one option for the packing.
But amazingly, they claimed to only have two box types available, and both were ridiculous.
So I'm really hoping to find a source of sensible boxes, and arrange to get them onsite myself.

Searching from Australia is iffy, google wants to show me local results. Don't have a VPN.


It's 3am here now, I'm conking out now.

Guy


 

I agree with Steve - the big box stores are a good bet - they usually have relatively small heavy duty boxes.

Go for it.

Cheers!

Bruce

Quoting Steve Hendrix <SteveHx@...>:

Home Depot, Lowes, and U-Haul all sell packing boxes.

Steve Hendrix

On 2022-01-11 10:38 AM, Guy Dunphy wrote:
I have a huge pile of HP and other test equipment manuals in a storage unit in Reseville CA.
To be shipped to Sydney Australia. I have a shipping quote, valid till the 22nd Jan.
But I'm having trouble finding a source of cardboard boxes suitable for packing the manuals
for transport in a 20' shipping container, and I'm running out of time.

Perhaps someone here can suggest a supplier?

Details:


Guy






 

Guy,

If you know anyone at a local hospital, ask their materials manager or central sterile supply manager about boxes.

At my hospital, they have one semi sized compactor just for cardboard, and they empty it twice a week, but they are delighted whenever I take away boxes.? Central supply empties dozens of them of every size every day.? Many are double walled, and very strong.

Anything I take away, they don't have to pay for disposal costs.

Liquor stores are also good sources of modest sized, durable boxes that deliver wine and liquor bottles.

Dave

On 1/11/2022 10:38 AM, Guy Dunphy wrote:
I have a huge pile of HP and other test equipment manuals in a storage unit in Reseville CA.
To be shipped to Sydney Australia. I have a shipping quote, valid till the 22nd Jan.
But I'm having trouble finding a source of cardboard boxes suitable for packing the manuals
for transport in a 20' shipping container, and I'm running out of time.

Perhaps someone here can suggest a supplier?

Details:


 

Check with U-Haul, there should be a branch near by. They sell boxes
in many sizes and they are at least reasonable (at least when I bought
a couple packs pre-Covid). The 1.5 cu ft boxes work pretty well
for tech manuals. They will also buy back any extras.

Good luck, that's a job

Paul

On Tue, Jan 11, 2022 at 11:28:04AM -0500, David Speck wrote:
Guy,

If you know anyone at a local hospital, ask their materials manager or
central sterile supply manager about boxes.

At my hospital, they have one semi sized compactor just for cardboard, and
they empty it twice a week, but they are delighted whenever I take away
boxes.? Central supply empties dozens of them of every size every day.? Many
are double walled, and very strong.

Anything I take away, they don't have to pay for disposal costs.

Liquor stores are also good sources of modest sized, durable boxes that
deliver wine and liquor bottles.

Dave

On 1/11/2022 10:38 AM, Guy Dunphy wrote:
I have a huge pile of HP and other test equipment manuals in a storage unit in Reseville CA.
To be shipped to Sydney Australia. I have a shipping quote, valid till the 22nd Jan.
But I'm having trouble finding a source of cardboard boxes suitable for packing the manuals
for transport in a 20' shipping container, and I'm running out of time.

Perhaps someone here can suggest a supplier?

Details:






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or both ship heavy duty boxes really fast from whatever warehouse is closest to you

-Eric



On Tue, Jan 11, 2022 at 8:36 AM Paul Amaranth <paul@...> wrote:
Check with U-Haul, there should be a branch near by.? They sell boxes
in many sizes and they are at least reasonable (at least when I bought
a couple packs pre-Covid).? The 1.5 cu ft boxes work pretty well
for tech manuals.? They will also buy back any extras.

Good luck, that's a job

? Paul

On Tue, Jan 11, 2022 at 11:28:04AM -0500, David Speck wrote:
> Guy,
>
> If you know anyone at a local hospital, ask their materials manager or
> central sterile supply manager about boxes.
>
> At my hospital, they have one semi sized compactor just for cardboard, and
> they empty it twice a week, but they are delighted whenever I take away
> boxes.? Central supply empties dozens of them of every size every day.? Many
> are double walled, and very strong.
>
> Anything I take away, they don't have to pay for disposal costs.
>
> Liquor stores are also good sources of modest sized, durable boxes that
> deliver wine and liquor bottles.
>
> Dave
>
> On 1/11/2022 10:38 AM, Guy Dunphy wrote:
> >I have a huge pile of HP and other test equipment manuals in a storage unit in Reseville CA.
> >To be shipped to Sydney Australia. I have a shipping quote, valid till the 22nd Jan.
> >But I'm having trouble finding a source of cardboard boxes suitable for packing the manuals
> >for transport in a 20' shipping container, and I'm running out of time.
> >
> >Perhaps someone here can suggest a supplier?
> >
> >Details:?
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> !DSPAM:61ddb01c38361575416056!
>

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Paul Amaranth, GCIH? ? ? ? ? ? ?| Manchester MI, USA? ? ? ? ? ? ?
Aurora Group of Michigan, LLC? ?|? ?Security, Systems & Software
paul@...? ? ? ? ? ? ? |? ?Unix/Linux - We don't do windows







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--Eric
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Eric Garner


 

If you are near a large metro area there is always a paper supply house that handles virtually everything from packing materials to boxes.

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If no success and you miss the ship by date there is always Uline (as was said earlier) who can provide everything from small low bursting strength boxes up to large triwall containers on pallets if needed.? Nearly everybody uses their products.? I found that the local UPS ?Store even uses their boxes.

?

Greg


 

I'll second this recommendation, I've found the paper supply houses to be a lot less expensive


 

On Tue, Jan 11, 2022 at 07:42 AM, Guy Dunphy wrote:
I'm having trouble finding a source of cardboard boxes
Grainger (Grainger Industrial)? may have more selection than Uline... whether they have stock might be another issue.


 

Also McMaster-Carr or Global Industrial.


 

At 08:41 AM 11/01/2022 -0800, you wrote:
uline.com or packagingsupplies.com both ship heavy duty boxes really fast from atever warehouse is closest to you
-Eric

Thanks. I didn't know of packagingsupplies.com .

Uline... which I'd had most hope for, fall down on box size. The reasons (and pics) given in



Summary: The ideal box internal dimensions (same order as the ULine online table):
Length Width Height
15" to 22" 12" ! 18" to 20"
Pref 18" Pref 19.5". NO GREATER than 20".

Which is around the size of a typical 'house moving box'.

The 12" width is an absolute requirement. Most manuals height (laid flat) fits that well.
Smaller or larger box 'width' would be very wasteful and a pain to pack.

That overall ratio is a strong preference due to really needing to achieve good space efficiency,
both of manuals in each box, and the box stacking in the shipping container.
Or else some of the manuals won't fit in the shipping container.

Oh, and I literally need close to 450 boxes (say 500.)
Must be all the same, and must be heavy duty cardboard due to stack depth and weight of books.
Second hand boxes from dumpsters etc not acceptable - not least because very likely would fail
Australian Quarantine inspection. Yes, apparently they _are_ likely to unpack everything.

I really don't understand why ULine have nothing even close to that dimensions ratio & size.
Perhaps I may get desperate and use something very non-optimal from them.

Guy


 

A shame you can't use banana boxes. They're perfect for manuals.

Oh, and I literally need close to 450 boxes (say 500.)
Must be all the same, and must be heavy duty cardboard due to stack depth and weight of books.
Second hand boxes from dumpsters etc not acceptable - not least because very likely would fail
Australian Quarantine inspection. Yes, apparently they _are_ likely to unpack everything.


 

Uline S4897 - `18" x 12" x 16"
Uline S4898 - 18" x 12" x 18"
Uline S23980 - 18" x 12" x 20"

Greg


 

A gaylord box for sure... No-brainer.


 

Bankers /legal papers boxes? $20 for 6 at Costco, etc.

Jon


 

At 11:03 AM 12/01/2022 -0800, you wrote:
Bankers /legal papers boxes? $20 for 6 at Costco, etc.

Jon

Thanks, but the box problem is sorted. Today I will be buying 500 of these:
ULINE, PN S-4898. 18" x 12" x 18" (Length, width, depth internal.)
The container will fit 450 of them, but allowing some spares for wastage
and potentially some of the manuals not fitting in the container.

More details are coming together. But the current drama is some issues with the 'loading contractor'
and details of what happens with the container on a frame overnight at the storage unit site.
Also the loading quote.

But it's progressing. Fingers crossed.

Guy


 

If NSW sorts out the COVID problem, I could be tempted to come over for a holiday and help unpack the container and catalogue. :^)

On 13/01/22 10:39 am, Guy Dunphy wrote:

More details are coming together. But the current drama is some issues with the 'loading contractor'
and details of what happens with the container on a frame overnight at the storage unit site.
Also the loading quote.
But it's progressing. Fingers crossed.
Guy


 

Wow. That's kind of a fascinating logistical problem and project. Just for practicality, I'd recommend rethinking things a little bit. It's kind of late in the game, but maybe some more investment of time and money up front can avoid shipping tons of scrap paper later.

I looked at the eevblog and Docmove project links, and I see how the story unfolds, and how complicated it is. It seems your main motivation is adding to your collection of technical documents to preserve them for the future. A noble cause, but I wonder about the practicality in this case. If you got this lot more or less sight unseen, then it's a (very) large random assortment of manuals. Looking at the pictures and descriptions, and doing some counting and mental math, I'd guess there may be four to seven thousand individual bound documents in the pile, and who knows how many loose pages. But, you should consider the statistics of the situation. Ideally, they would all be unique and special, and not redundant to what you already have in your collection. The chances of this are very, very slim. For instance, for each one-of-a-kind item you find, there could be a hundred copies of a high-running, popular product - these high-runners are the most common in populations simply because of the sheer numbers produced.

It depends too on the pre-selection process applied by the seller. If he was a serious collector, and painstakingly gathered and organized all these over many years, and saved one or two of each piece, then that would be great. Chances are though, that like many of us, you grab what you can when the opportunity arises, and you throw it on the pile to figure out later. Ultimately, the pile gets so big that you have to rent storage space until you have time to figure it out (which may never come), or have to move or such, and get rid of it quickly. Or, he may have been a manual seller, and it's just excess inventory. Or, he may have been involved with a document rescue activity. I remember when Manuals Plus went under, years ago, and there were a bunch of people and efforts applied to try to save and organize the inventory. That was at least a few years ago, and to this day, I have not heard of any results. This was on a scale much larger than your current situation - maybe a hundred times bigger.

So anyway, barring a meticulous collector, or maybe a lost da Vinci manuscript somehow buried in the pile, it's most likely a common collection of manuals from the era of its gathering. In this kind of situation, I'd apply the Pareto principle, to get some idea of the range of possibilities and value. In essence, most of anything is caused by a relatively small amount of something else. Here, I'd say that for your purposes, "uniqueness" is paramount, so one might say that 80 percent of the uniqueness is contained in 20 percent of the pieces. Or, it may be 90/10, or whatever, depending on the biasing. The point is that only a small fraction of all the stuff is of value in a particular situation - or conversely, you might say 80 percent of the stuff (and cost to get it home) is crap. So, the problem as always is figuring out what's good and what's crap, which you may find out eventually if you spend a fortune getting it home. The valuation and bias direction depend on the situation. If you're a manual seller, then you might say that 80 percent of the stuff is common, and more likely to be in demand (but not likely to fetch high price, since it's so common, while the relatively few rare items may be worth a lot, or zero, if they're so obscure that no buyer can be found). You can frame the situation in many ways, depending on what's needed, but the basic principle is the same.

An alternative is to go and visit the stuff, and do some of your own sorting. Instead of just arranging it all to be shipped, maybe you could fly to SFO, rent a car or van or truck, and go see it in person. From the writings, I think the cheapest part of the whole deal (aside from the purchase price and possible SYD-SFO trip(s)), is the storage rental - that can buy you some time to figure things out. I can picture a scenario where you drive to the storage place and can do some sorting and assessments on a lot of stuff, fairly quickly. The day one goal should be clearing out a workspace, say the first meter or so (maybe 3-4 stacks deep into it), or about 20 percent. The obvious crap can be set aside, the questionable tossed deeper into the pile, and any good stuff or gems go back to the hotel or stay in the vehicle. This should give a pretty good idea of the ratios to expect, and if it's not looking good, you can look into getting a dumpster delivered on site at the appropriate time. A second day should provide great progress, and better assessment of the situation. If it's mostly keepers, then you'll have more confidence in shipping it en masse. If not so good, then look into disposal or abandonment. Check with the storage management on their abandonment policies - I think they usually just sell off the contents or have it tossed after so many days of unpaid rent. You wouldn't want to leave it a mess or on unfriendly terms - just explain the situation and see if they're OK if you can't take it all in a reasonable time. Then, whatever you don't want can be left for disposal rather than expensively shipped and tossed anyway. Even if you have to pay some to get rid of it, it's likely ten times cheaper than bringing it home to do the same. You could also advertise it on craigslist - a free for all manual pickup for anyone who wants the leftovers, on an appropriate day of the project. Any more stay days can be determined by the results of the fist two - you may find it actually easy, or a PITA, but you'll have the presence, control, knowledge, and decisions.

Between various options of dumpsters, recycling, hauling some stuff in a rental car and storing in a hotel room temporarily, giving it away, or abandoning it, some combination should give I'm guessing, maybe two or three pallets of desired manuals and other documents - much less than a whole shipping unit container. Just as a ballpark figure, if the Pareto values are 80/20, then only 20 percent of the total manuals and other documents are 80 percent of the value - the trick is to effectively pre-sort (ideally the whole population), knowing and expecting to get rid of most, so that the result is better. The remaining 20 percent of total value may be contained in diminishing fractions beyond that. If you demand perfection in inspecting and deciding on each and every one, then you would have to pay to send them all home, and take all the time necessary. If you do this, there is no uncertainty, but it may take forever. All I can say is that without knowing more about the system, I'd expect that the total number of keepers will be around 20 percent, whether they're picked in Sacramento, or Sydney, accounting for 80 percent of the value. The difference is that if you can pick in Sacramento, you only have to ship about about one fifth as much stuff to Sydney. Thoroughly sorting for 100 percent yield can be done at either spot, but the number of pieces won't be very much different. Picking efficiency would be different, of course, with different pressures and conditions. If you do it at the source, there's limited time and resources, but saves a lot of shipping. At home, less pressure, but cost a lot to get the situation.

Ed