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8594E input attenuator issue?
Failed O rings in these attenuators is a common problem as the equipment ages.? The material used to make them eventually dries out either from heat or environmental issues and becomes brittle thusly the O ring frequently crumbles and falls off.? This then causes either non-actuation of an attenuator stage or intermittent operation at best. ? We once tried to replace the O rings in an attenuator.? The first step was to measure a good item then try to find a replacement.? This required considerable disassembly of the attenuator then trying to find a O-ring that had not aged to the point where it was not wither brittle or its dimensions had changed.? Then the selection process continued.? At that point it was not? known what material the O rings were made out of.? I did hear from another engineer to be careful because some O rings will outgas affecting the contact reliability in the attenuator.? After randomly selecting a possibly suitable material the next step was to locate a small quantity of the O rings.? This resulted in eventually finding a manufacturer who would provide some samples instead of us having to buy hundreds of them to satisfy a minimum order. ? After all of this was done it was then decided that the total time and energy wasted I trying to ¡°make do¡± by an in-house repair was far overshadowed by simply sending the attenuator to the repair agency which was the final outcome. ? The O rings are there for a reason mainly to cushion the blow of the solenoid when it actuates. ? Greg |
¿ªÔÆÌåÓýGreg?: The thing is I suspected an issue with the o-rings, but they¡¯re all good. I¡¯m pretty sure the issue is not mechanical. However , I managed to break one of the plunger and I need to replace it when I first disassembled it. The upside is I am now very comfortable manipulating it. ? Next steps : find a plunger and bench the ATT correctly. I have a feeling my primary issue : AMPDT : ?GAIN FAIL is cause by something else. I can get passed this error if I feed -17dB 300Mhz at the input. My CAL output is at around -18dB, which is also an issue. ? Why I targeted the ATT, is because the marker would read -45dB or more when the ATT was not set to a multiple of 20 (-20dB, -40dB) ? From: [email protected] <[email protected]>
On Behalf Of Greg Muir via groups.io
Sent: 21 janvier 2022 12:57 To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [HP-Agilent-Keysight-equipment] 8594E input attenuator issue? ? Failed O rings in these attenuators is a common problem as the equipment ages.? The material used to make them eventually dries out either from heat or environmental issues and becomes brittle thusly the O ring frequently crumbles and falls off.? This then causes either non-actuation of an attenuator stage or intermittent operation at best. ? We once tried to replace the O rings in an attenuator.? The first step was to measure a good item then try to find a replacement.? This required considerable disassembly of the attenuator then trying to find a O-ring that had not aged to the point where it was not wither brittle or its dimensions had changed.? Then the selection process continued.? At that point it was not? known what material the O rings were made out of.? I did hear from another engineer to be careful because some O rings will outgas affecting the contact reliability in the attenuator.? After randomly selecting a possibly suitable material the next step was to locate a small quantity of the O rings.? This resulted in eventually finding a manufacturer who would provide some samples instead of us having to buy hundreds of them to satisfy a minimum order. ? After all of this was done it was then decided that the total time and energy wasted I trying to ¡°make do¡± by an in-house repair was far overshadowed by simply sending the attenuator to the repair agency which was the final outcome. ? The O rings are there for a reason mainly to cushion the blow of the solenoid when it actuates. ? Greg |
¿ªÔÆÌåÓýI stand corrected, my CAL output is -21 ¨C 22dB. ? From: [email protected] <[email protected]>
On Behalf Of Nicolas Mailloux
Sent: 21 janvier 2022 13:16 To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [HP-Agilent-Keysight-equipment] 8594E input attenuator issue? ? Greg?: The thing is I suspected an issue with the o-rings, but they¡¯re all good. I¡¯m pretty sure the issue is not mechanical. However , I managed to break one of the plunger and I need to replace it when I first disassembled it. The upside is I am now very comfortable manipulating it. ? Next steps : find a plunger and bench the ATT correctly. I have a feeling my primary issue : AMPDT : ?GAIN FAIL is cause by something else. I can get passed this error if I feed -17dB 300Mhz at the input. My CAL output is at around -18dB, which is also an issue. ? Why I targeted the ATT, is because the marker would read -45dB or more when the ATT was not set to a multiple of 20 (-20dB, -40dB) ? From:
[email protected] <[email protected]>
On Behalf Of Greg Muir via groups.io ? Failed O rings in these attenuators is a common problem as the equipment ages.? The material used to make them eventually dries out either from heat or environmental issues and becomes brittle thusly the O ring frequently crumbles and falls off.? This then causes either non-actuation of an attenuator stage or intermittent operation at best. ? We once tried to replace the O rings in an attenuator.? The first step was to measure a good item then try to find a replacement.? This required considerable disassembly of the attenuator then trying to find a O-ring that had not aged to the point where it was not wither brittle or its dimensions had changed.? Then the selection process continued.? At that point it was not? known what material the O rings were made out of.? I did hear from another engineer to be careful because some O rings will outgas affecting the contact reliability in the attenuator.? After randomly selecting a possibly suitable material the next step was to locate a small quantity of the O rings.? This resulted in eventually finding a manufacturer who would provide some samples instead of us having to buy hundreds of them to satisfy a minimum order. ? After all of this was done it was then decided that the total time and energy wasted I trying to ¡°make do¡± by an in-house repair was far overshadowed by simply sending the attenuator to the repair agency which was the final outcome. ? The O rings are there for a reason mainly to cushion the blow of the solenoid when it actuates. ? Greg |
I would like to thank the group. My HP 8594E is now working correctly. I basically cleaned the attenuator inside contacts with deoxit then checked the attenuator by itself on a bench using a simple bread-board setup to actuate each solenoids. After it tested good, I put it back into the analyzer, ran the calibration and it passed without errors!
I have two easy questions: 1: I still have 1 long slim philips screw left. Can¡¯t remember where it goes. Anyone knows? 2: the current CR2477 battery reads 3.0v. What¡¯s the threshold where it can¡¯t keep the ram from loosing its data? |
Can¡¯t help you with the screw, maybe a attenuator mounting screw if the unit assembled right.
Highly recommend you replace the battery asap. A new battery in place doing it¡¯s job should read greater than 3.6v, many around 3.63 to 3.65v? a Lithium Thionyl battery at 3.1V is considered near end of life if it more then 10-15 years old. the replacement is a easy process. Loss of cal data is a hard process to set right again. good luck. Gerald VK3GJM |
Great to hear that you got the attenuator working Nicolas. I just picked up a HP 8594E that the previous owner said there was an issue with the attenuator.? My guess is cleaning the inside contacts with deoxit will be the fix. I have not had time to test the SA yet but I am glad I ran across this topic.?
Thanks Dwight |