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Does anyone have an HP / Agilent 5021-8405 7" Diecast Frame?


 

All -
I really hate to keep spamming the group begging for parts, but I think this will be the last time for a while. I am still working on getting my poor HP 89441A analyzer fixed. This beautiful instrument was shipped by a supposedly reputable surplus equipment dealer in a bare cardboard box with no packing material at all. Amazingly, it seems to have survived electronically and most of the mechanical damage is either cosmetic or repairable. Unfortunately, this cannot be said for the front die-cast frame of the RF unit which is literally shattered. A bunch of little bits of it were rattling around in the bottom of the box. After quite a bit of research I have determined that it is originally HP / Agilent P/N 5021-8405. This is a front frame identical to this one EXCEPT that it is 7" tall rather than 8.5":


The part I am looking for is painted off-white rather than being the older metallic silver grey color.

Aside from the 89441A, this part was also used in the HP 8753C VNA, the 8644B, 8664A, and 8665B signal generators, and numerous others. According to Keysight Find-A-Part that list includes:

  • 3253B
  • 42841A
  • 4285A
  • 66000A
  • 83620A
  • 83620B
  • 83621A
  • 83621B
  • 83623A
  • 83623B
  • 83623B-H10
  • 83630A
  • 83630B
  • 83630L
  • 83631B
  • 83640A
  • 83640B
  • 83640B-H10
  • 83640L
  • 83650A
  • 83650B
  • 83650L
  • 83651A
  • 83651B
  • 85101C
  • 85103E
  • 85103F
  • 85106D
  • 85108A
  • 85108L
  • 8510C
  • 8530A
  • 85395B
  • 86030A
  • 8643A
  • 8644B
  • 8645A
  • 8664A
  • 8665A
  • 8665B
  • 8752C
  • 8757C
  • 8757D
  • E5100A
  • E5100B
  • E7340A
  • E7345A
  • E7346A
  • E7347A
  • E7350A
  • E7355A
  • E7356A
  • E7357A
  • E7370A
  • U85104A-K09
If anyone has one of these, please let me know - I will be ever appreciative.

Stay safe, best to you and your family.

-Matthew D'Asaro


Pete Manfre
 

Where are?you located?

Pete wa2odo?

On Fri, Mar 20, 2020, 8:37 PM medasaro <medasaro@...> wrote:
All -
I really hate to keep spamming the group begging for parts, but I think this will be the last time for a while. I am still working on getting my poor HP 89441A analyzer fixed. This beautiful instrument was shipped by a supposedly reputable surplus equipment dealer in a bare cardboard box with no packing material at all. Amazingly, it seems to have survived electronically and most of the mechanical damage is either cosmetic or repairable. Unfortunately, this cannot be said for the front die-cast frame of the RF unit which is literally shattered. A bunch of little bits of it were rattling around in the bottom of the box. After quite a bit of research I have determined that it is originally HP / Agilent P/N 5021-8405. This is a front frame identical to this one EXCEPT that it is 7" tall rather than 8.5":


The part I am looking for is painted off-white rather than being the older metallic silver grey color.

Aside from the 89441A, this part was also used in the HP 8753C VNA, the 8644B, 8664A, and 8665B signal generators, and numerous others. According to Keysight Find-A-Part that list includes:

  • 3253B
  • 42841A
  • 4285A
  • 66000A
  • 83620A
  • 83620B
  • 83621A
  • 83621B
  • 83623A
  • 83623B
  • 83623B-H10
  • 83630A
  • 83630B
  • 83630L
  • 83631B
  • 83640A
  • 83640B
  • 83640B-H10
  • 83640L
  • 83650A
  • 83650B
  • 83650L
  • 83651A
  • 83651B
  • 85101C
  • 85103E
  • 85103F
  • 85106D
  • 85108A
  • 85108L
  • 8510C
  • 8530A
  • 85395B
  • 86030A
  • 8643A
  • 8644B
  • 8645A
  • 8664A
  • 8665A
  • 8665B
  • 8752C
  • 8757C
  • 8757D
  • E5100A
  • E5100B
  • E7340A
  • E7345A
  • E7346A
  • E7347A
  • E7350A
  • E7355A
  • E7356A
  • E7357A
  • E7370A
  • U85104A-K09
If anyone has one of these, please let me know - I will be ever appreciative.

Stay safe, best to you and your family.

-Matthew D'Asaro


 

Seattle, WA, USA

Yeah. I know. Not the best place to be right now...

-Matthew


Pete Manfre
 

I might have one from an 8753c. I will look if you want.?

Pete

On Fri, Mar 20, 2020, 8:47 PM medasaro <medasaro@...> wrote:
Seattle, WA, USA

Yeah. I know. Not the best place to be right now...

-Matthew


 

Please do. If it is painted white / off white and is 7" tall then it is almost certainly the right part. I always feel a tad bad having to buy parts from scrapped instruments, but I guess that if they are too far gone it seems only right to use the parts.

-Matthew


Pete Manfre
 

I will dig through the pile and check the specs.?

P

On Fri, Mar 20, 2020, 8:56 PM medasaro <medasaro@...> wrote:
Please do. If it is painted white / off white and is 7" tall then it is almost certainly the right part. I always feel a tad bad having to buy parts from scrapped instruments, but I guess that if they are too far gone it seems only right to use the parts.

-Matthew


 

Thanks again for offering to look through your pile of parts for me Pete. Have you found anything?

-Matthew D'Asaro


Pete Manfre
 

Not as of?yet.? ?Found some bigger than 7 in.?

P

On Mon, Mar 23, 2020, 2:41 PM medasaro <medasaro@...> wrote:
Thanks again for offering to look through your pile of parts for me Pete. Have you found anything?

-Matthew D'Asaro


Pete Manfre
 

It might have gone to scrap yard,? because of the big clean up purge a while back.? ?Still looking though.?

Pete?

On Mon, Mar 23, 2020, 3:57 PM Pete Manfre via Groups.Io <pmanfre=[email protected]> wrote:
Not as of?yet.? ?Found some bigger than 7 in.?

P

On Mon, Mar 23, 2020, 2:41 PM medasaro <medasaro@...> wrote:
Thanks again for offering to look through your pile of parts for me Pete. Have you found anything?

-Matthew D'Asaro


 

Matthew,

I've got an incomplete 85101C carcass that I got several years ago to get a CRT for my 8753C.? The front frame is still there, and looks good - ping me if you still need it.

Also let me know if you need any other bits that might still be on this unit.?

I'm located near Sacramento, CA, so shipping won't be much of a problem.

Now if I could only find a replacement handle for a freight damaged Sound Technology 3100A generator....

Regards - Kurt


 

Matthew,
If Kurt's parts don't work out I have a complete salvaged instrument case from an HP1615A. It is 7" high and is the older silver color but may be physically equivalent. I saved the case to house a project that hasn't progressed so I may decide to part with it. You are welcome to ping me if needed.
Cheers,
Tom


 

Pete -
Any luck finding the part? It looks like Kurt has one, and I will take him up on it if you can't find it, but since you responded first and have been looking so hard for me, I wanted to give you the chance to find yours first if you want. Let me know.

-Matthew D'Asaro


Pete Manfre
 

I actually looked today with my son,? and it appears that it has already gone to the dump.? ?Sorry about that.?

Pete?

On Fri, Mar 27, 2020, 9:20 PM medasaro <medasaro@...> wrote:
Pete -
Any luck finding the part? It looks like Kurt has one, and I will take him up on it if you can't find it, but since you responded first and have been looking so hard for me, I wanted to give you the chance to find yours first if you want. Let me know.

-Matthew D'Asaro


 

Pete -
Thank you so much for your efforts looking for me. I really appreciate it.

Kurt -
I have sent you a message.

-Matthew D'Asaro


 

Matthew,

I have sent several private email replies to your inquiries regarding this part, but they appear to not be getting to you.? I get yours just fine.

Check your SPAM filter if you haven't already, or send me a phone number - as I mentioned, I'm getting your messages just fine.

Thanks - Kurt


 

Thanks for all the super helpful responses. I now have a frame coming (thanks again Kurt)! While I have been waiting on pieces needed to reconstruct the RF section, I have been working with the IF section and I have it working pretty well and managed to get all the options enabled (except AY5 - see below). Here are a few things I learned that might help others:

1) The HP 89441A IF section is the same as the 89410A. If you enter service mode (the password is 1125) you can change which one it identifies as.
2) As far as I can tell, all of the options in the 89410A / 89441A IF section are software options except for UFG (4-MB Extended RAM and Additional I/O), AY5 (Precision Frequency Reference), AY9 (Extended Time Capture), and AY7 (second input channel).
3) There is a really nice "hack" to enable all the software options. Just Google for it.
4) You can convert the UFG options (4-MB RAM) to the UTH option (20-MB RAM) by adding a single 16MB RAM. Order Micron MT8D432M-6X from eBay etc. This is a really nice addition that costs about $10 to do so well worth it. You don't even need to change any of the software options - as long as you have UFG installed adding the additional SIMM will automatically cause UTH to show up as installed when the system is powered on.
5) If you have an 89441A system, you won't have option AY5 in the IF section, but that is OK - it is usually just installed in the RF section unless you have option AY4 which deletes the precision reference from the RF section.
6) There is a firmware update available from Keysight that, once installed, allows software options B7A, B73, B79, and 080 to be enabled (you still need to do the options hack to actually turn them on). However, these are all for testing obsolete cell phone standards, so I am not sure how much use this actually is... Get it here:

7) There is a piece of polyurethane foam between the main chassis and display section of the 89410A / 89441A. If you are servicing the unit anyway, I recommend removing this foam and cleaning up the residue as it turns to sticky conductive, corrosive tar. The foam isn't really needed for anything so the safest thing to do is just remove it. Lots of acetone will be needed to clean up the mess!


OK, with that contribution, I have another ask for the group. I am apparently missing the little metal clips that attach the front frames of the RF and IF sections together. The locking feet that attach the rear frames together came with the unit (and I have managed to use HeliCoils to repair the torn-out holes in the IF section frame where they mount), but the clips for the front were not included for some reason. The photo below shows the parts I am looking for. It looks like I need 4x of them along with the 8x metric screws needed to mount them. These same clips seem to have been used on the 8566 / 8568 spectrum analyzers and also appear to have been included in the locking feet kit (5062-3999) but I haven't managed to find an HP part number for the clips themselves.


The last piece I am looking for, and this is purely cosmetic, so I guess it isn't the most important, is the plastic trim for the top. I would be looking for the grey (not the older olive) color one. This was used on a lot of gear, but they are commonly missing too. I figure it is worth a try...



Thanks again all for the help.

-Matthew D'Asaro