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HP Agilent 34330a current shunt
I wanted to ask what is the opinion on the 34330A current shunt. Occasionally one needs to measure current somewhat above the 10Amps which is the maximum that my 973A/974A handheld DMMs allow. So I was wondering if this 30A external plugin shunt adapter would be a cost effective addition to keep on hand, of course considering that this would also require beefier connecting test leads that are current rated accordingly. But given the ebay price range for a 34330A being at $130-$300, I wonder if these numbers realistically make sense, not that I would even consider buying one just for occasional use at those prices anyhow. Since all of them have been listed for months now, and perhaps they are just the leftover overpriced bunch waiting for a desperate buyer, what would be a realistic lower price expectation for a working one in decent shape?
Or perhaps would other alternatives like a current probe adapter (34134A/34135A) be a better alternative? On the other hand I already have a FW-Bell GC-100D 200Amp AC/DC stand alone clamp-on "current gun" but it has a single range 3.5 digit readout up to 199.9, so measurements towards the lower end of that scale are not ideal, although still workable if need be. The gun also has two separate output jacks which I tried to use a couple of times but the output voltage never did make much sense in comparison to the actual measured current indicated on the display, which was correct. Maybe I was doing something wrong there, but the clamp by itself works fine when it gets used once in a while. Of course yet another alternative that comes to mind would be to just buy a sturdy precision 0.01 or 0.001 ohm resistor at Mouser/Digikey and mount it inside a small metal enclosure with in/out jacks to use as a stand alone shunt, so it does not even need to stay attached directly or even near to the DMM. I really don't have any very high precision needs, which are usually satisfied with either one of the multiple 4.5-digit 974A's on the bench, and certainly nothing beyond the capability of my "higher end" 3468A/3478A pair of not-calibrated for a long time DMMs. But still the idea of having a plug-n-play 30Amp quick expansion for the handheld DMM like the 34330A shunt when occasional needs arise still sounds interesting, specially when it is an HP product. I am open to comments and suggestions. Thanks. |
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I have a 34330A, and I do not regret this purchase. At Keysight, it's $ 132 CAD or $ 101 US. I bought this product because it was specially designed for voltmeters, including a standard plug, easy to use and of a size suitable for these instruments. I bought cheaper from Digikey other shunt, but for use with the oscilloscope mainly. Just like you I hesitated with making the purchase mainly because of the price, but today I am happy to have bought it. Yves -----Message d'origine-----
De?: [email protected] <[email protected]> De la part de Alex Envoy¨¦?: 20 d¨¦cembre 2019 10:31 ??: [email protected] Objet?: [HP-Agilent-Keysight-equipment] HP Agilent 34330a current shunt I wanted to ask what is the opinion on the 34330A current shunt. Occasionally one needs to measure current somewhat above the 10Amps which is the maximum that my 973A/974A handheld DMMs allow. So I was wondering if this 30A external plugin shunt adapter would be a cost effective addition to keep on hand, of course considering that this would also require beefier connecting test leads that are current rated accordingly. But given the ebay price range for a 34330A being at $130-$300, I wonder if these numbers realistically make sense, not that I would even consider buying one just for occasional use at those prices anyhow. Since all of them have been listed for months now, and perhaps they are just the leftover overpriced bunch waiting for a desperate buyer, what would be a realistic lower price expectation for a working one in decent shape? Or perhaps would other alternatives like a current probe adapter (34134A/34135A) be a better alternative? On the other hand I already have a FW-Bell GC-100D 200Amp AC/DC stand alone clamp-on "current gun" but it has a single range 3.5 digit readout up to 199.9, so measurements towards the lower end of that scale are not ideal, although still workable if need be. The gun also has two separate output jacks which I tried to use a couple of times but the output voltage never did make much sense in comparison to the actual measured current indicated on the display, which was correct. Maybe I was doing something wrong there, but the clamp by itself works fine when it gets used once in a while. Of course yet another alternative that comes to mind would be to just buy a sturdy precision 0.01 or 0.001 ohm resistor at Mouser/Digikey and mount it inside a small metal enclosure with in/out jacks to use as a stand alone shunt, so it does not even need to stay attached directly or even near to the DMM. I really don't have any very high precision needs, which are usually satisfied with either one of the multiple 4.5-digit 974A's on the bench, and certainly nothing beyond the capability of my "higher end" 3468A/3478A pair of not-calibrated for a long time DMMs. But still the idea of having a plug-n-play 30Amp quick expansion for the handheld DMM like the 34330A shunt when occasional needs arise still sounds interesting, specially when it is an HP product. I am open to comments and suggestions. Thanks. |
On 12/20/19 9:31 AM, Alex wrote:
I was wondering if this 30A external plugin shunt adapter would be a cost effective addition to keep on hand,The way I look at high current measuring setups is I'm going to be doing some wiring anyway, so hooking in either a current transformer or shunt involves some clamping tight of connections, and breaking circuits to put those in place. So, if I'm already doing all that I can use a bit a nichrome wire. A bit of wire previously compared to a ref standard resistor at low amps. Here's a quick 4 wire connected way to make it: Split core current transformers for power meter use can be gotten off ebay for much less than $100, and would be the least intrusive 20 Hz and up method I can think of. |
On 12/20/19 11:05 AM, John Griessen wrote:
Here's a quick 4 wire connected way to make it:The nichrome heater wire can be salvaged from any kind of space heater, and will have a normal current of about 15 amps to get red hot. So, with big lugs for 8 gauge wire you can cripm together 4 of them to notn get it to go so hot with 30A you want to measure. Another way could be to use a less resistive wire like a steel coat hanger -- I have not tried that. Long ago on a production test line for a govt contractor we used kanthal wire for such resistors as part of the product instead of precise component shunts. Kanthal wire is not very available though. |
One thing to note about the 34330A is that it is only rated at 30 amps for 15 minutes. Another option is to buy an industrial panel meter shunt and put it in a box. In europe 60mV is a standard for panel meters so a 60A one will give the same 1mV/A and addtional capacity. Nort American ones tend to be 50mV so go for a 50A one. About 1/3 the cost too. ? A hall effect current clamp has even lower burden voltage and yu don't have to break into the circuit, but you will hae to pay four times as much to get similar accuracy s a shunt. If 1 to 4% is OK then the Pico technology TA018 is worth a look. mA to 60A for about the same price as the shunt. |
I got mine les than a year ago on the auction site, less than $30 and free shipping. New condition, too. If you¡¯re not in a rush it pays to watch for a while!
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Love it and although it doesn¡¯t get used often, it works for me. I rarely use it for more than 10 or so minutes at a time so no worries about overheating. Steve On Dec 20, 2019, at 11:52 AM, Alex <hpagilentgroup@...> wrote: |
There are low cost Chinese shunts available on ebay. For a few dollars more you can get an LED voltmeter/ammeter with a shunt. I haven't tried them.
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From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Steve - Home Sent: Friday, December 20, 2019 3:10 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [HP-Agilent-Keysight-equipment] HP Agilent 34330a current shunt I got mine les than a year ago on the auction site, less than $30 and free shipping. New condition, too. If you¡¯re not in a rush it pays to watch for a while! Love it and although it doesn¡¯t get used often, it works for me. I rarely use it for more than 10 or so minutes at a time so no worries about overheating. Steve On Dec 20, 2019, at 11:52 AM, Alex <hpagilentgroup@...> wrote: |
Thank you everyone for their input, specially to Yves.
Yes a cheap shunt will give you a current reading as well as anything else but it needs to be wired into the circuit, requires some conversion math unless used with the properly calibrated meter to go with it, and they are not always ideally suited as the resistance element is plainly exposed, let alone if of dubious far east quality. So in my opinion in practical terms these shunts are better relegated to fixed service operation where they will stay in one place for good. My interest in the HP 34330A shunt is because its an elegant, efficient and easy solution for those occasions where one just needs to quickly measure a current just a bit above the usual limits of a portable DMM, which I think was the concept to begin with. I'm placing a watch on ebay limited to a reasonable price limit, and see what eventually comes up. I am in no hurry, so time is not an issue. Thanks again. |
On Fri, Dec 20, 2019 at 10:31 AM Alex <hpagilentgroup@...> wrote: But given the ebay price range for a 34330A being at $130-$300, I went to look at the new price od these, and I find that Newark will sell me a new one at anywhere?from CAD 130 through >CAD 400 (). The price difference is all in the level of calibration and documentation you get with the shunt. I'm not sure that the calibration shipped with a used shunt of otherwise unknown history is much good for anything? |
Speaking of buying it new, I found it at Mouser priced at $101 which for me is one of my most trusted and reliable parts suppliers.
So this obviously confirms that the current ebay prices are absolutely ridiculous for a used and undocumented unit, specially the ones currently being offered from China at two to 3 times the Mouser price. |
I did specifically suggest a standard 50mV 50A (north american) or 60mV 60A (European) shunt as they hav the same 1mv/A scalling as the 34330A. It's not too much trouble to put one in a small plastic box Panel mount plugs e.g Cinch . Mouser 530-108-0750-1, are available so you can make it direct plug-in of you like. To be honest it's probably better to use all binding posts so the shunt can be close to the high current circuit.? I have a Fluke 80J-10 and while physically similar to the 34330A it's 10mV/A output and lower accuracy reflect it's intended? application for 31/2 digit meters. |
In case there is any interest, there is currently a seller on ebay that seems to have several of these 34330A (Agilent branded) shunts in used condition. He is starting the bidding at 99 cents. I managed to get one for $39 plus shipping. Here is his latest listing:
No relation to seller, just passing on the information. While setting your bidding limit, keep in mind that you can still get this shunt brand new at Mouser for $101 (see my previous related post in this thread). |