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I have a couple of complete sets of the RadLab books. They are available for sale if any one is interested. Thanks & have a great Thanksgiving - Mike
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Mike B. Feher, N4FS 89 Arnold Blvd. Howell NJ 07731 848-245-9115 -----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of saipan59 Sent: Thursday, November 22, 2018 10:39 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [HP-Agilent-Keysight-equipment] Rad Lab was NOT in Tuxedo Park! MIT [with a grin] ...And it pains me to see an educational thread corrupted by posting a New Topic, when you meant to post a Reply... I also have several of the original RadLab books. The one titled "Waveforms" is like a foundation text on pulse circuits and such. Pete |
开云体育Hi interested in a set but the red lab books are new to me can you tell me the titles that make up the set ? Paul B ? -----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Mike Feher Sent: 22 November 2018 16:09 To: [email protected] Subject: [HP-Agilent-Keysight-equipment] Rad Labs - ? I have a couple of complete sets of the RadLab books. They are available for sale if any one is interested. Thanks & have a great Thanksgiving - Mike ? Mike B. Feher, N4FS 89 Arnold Blvd. Howell NJ 07731 848-245-9115 ? -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of saipan59 Sent: Thursday, November 22, 2018 10:39 AM Subject: Re: [HP-Agilent-Keysight-equipment] Rad Lab was NOT in Tuxedo Park! MIT ? [with a grin] ...And it pains me to see an educational thread corrupted by posting a New Topic, when you meant to post a Reply... ? I also have several of the original RadLab books. The one titled "Waveforms" is like a foundation text on pulse circuits and such. ? Pete ? ? ? ?
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开云体育Hi Paul – ? There are 28 hardcover red books in the series, with one of them being an index. I am sure you can Google them to see the titles. Regards – Mike ? Mike B. Feher, N4FS 89 Arnold Blvd. Howell NJ 07731 848-245-9115 ? From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Paul Bicknell
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I am interested in one of the sets.? On Thu, Nov 22, 2018, 8:08 AM Mike Feher <n4fs@... wrote: I have a couple of complete sets of the RadLab books. They are available for sale if any one is interested. Thanks & have a great Thanksgiving - Mike |
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Hi Paul!
Look them up, there are 28 volumes. They are GREAT!? I finally bought a complete set in great condition for 100.00 off a museum as they get a lot of these from estates, us old guys are dropping like flies. I had an incomplete set of maybe 16 volumes, microwave stuff, before.? YOU NEED to see these! Everything about microwaves is in there at least up to the advent of solid state devices (point contact diodes are included!). These guys did incredible amount of work.
My quote to my classes is " You can get an amazing amount of work done with 4000 people working 24/7 for 4 years!"? What people do not realize is the Rad Lab is the first time EVER that engineers, scientists, and business men were forced to learn each others language and work together. They built the model of the modern engineering firm together, including a lot of business models applied to engineering projects.. Much of critical radar work was developed by 42-43, then sent to production, and many of the scientists (like Luis Alvarez) were released to go work on this other little effort going on called the Manhattan project (many/most of the folks on the A-bomb came from the Rad Lab, great minds here!)? Look up the book "The Invention That Changed the World" by Robert Buderi. It is about radar & WWII. In the words of the atomic scientists "The A bomb ended the war, but Radar won it!"
Titles: Microwave Magnetrons (Collins, I looked a LONG time to get this one!), Microwave receivers, Microwave Measurements, Theory of Microwave Antennas (Silver), Waveguide Handbook (Marcuvitz), Microwave Mixers (Pound), Klystrons & Triodes, Radar System Engineering (Ridenour), Pulse Generators (read High power radar modulator),? and so on.
In one set of books, we gave to the world the secrets of how to build a radar! The Magic of? Microwaves explained!!? I cannot stress too greatly the HUGE volume of information in these books. For a while recently, I had Duplexers set in the bathroom as reading material (I get some of my best work done in the W.C.). The description of how magic Tees work, how to build a variable vane attenuator, how to match things at 23 GHz, etc is amazing. They truly invented it all! You can look at Hewlett Packard waveguide instrumentation from the 1950-1990 time frame and see that it is directly derived from the Rad Lad designs with HP niceties added!
At least go to the KO4BB website and download the PDF's. And get back to me next summer when you have some time, as you will be reading for a long time, knowing your interests, you will get totally absorbed in the material. This material is timeless.
Here were guys figuring out how to make all the stuff we use now, and EXPLAINING IT. Not like reading IEEE- MTT transactions, where new Ph.D's seek only to impress one another with untested simulations and multitudes of triple integrals.... This stuff was built & tested, solid practical info. Want to know the difference between silver plated guide and plain copper? Its here! How about metals for tuning screws, Yep! What makes the best waveguide window for low loss & high power? Again, all there. And so much more.
I didnt even mention the books on timing, waveforms, vacuum tube circuits, servomechanisms, radomes, so on and so on.
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Jeff
Hi interested in a set but the red lab books are new to me can you tell me the titles that make up the set ? Paul B |
开云体育You can download good scans of the entire MIT Rad Lab series for free at: They are full of useful information, but there is something to be
said of holding a 65+ year old paper book in your hand.? I'd? love to own the entire set some day. Dave On 11/22/2018 11:58 AM, Jeff Kruth via
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Date: 11/22/18 17:44 (GMT+01:00)
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I am interested in one of the sets.?
On Thu, Nov 22, 2018, 8:08 AM Mike Feher <n4fs@... wrote:
I have a couple of complete sets of the RadLab books. They are available for sale if any one is interested. Thanks & have a great Thanksgiving - Mike |
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Roy Morgan
On Nov 22, 2018, at 11:58 AM, Jeff Kruth via Groups.Io <kmec@...> wrote:Paul, Thanks for your comments on the Rad Lab and its work. The introduction to (at least) one volume tells that “After the cessation of hostilities, many of the scientists and staff “agreed to stay on to document the work” and did so in about 6 to 12 months! In one set of books, we gave to the world the secrets of how to build a radar! The Magic of Microwaves explained!!It seems to me that much of the content would have been classified, especially during the war. I wonder if there was a wholesale classification-release program in effect. ...You can look at Hewlett Packard waveguide instrumentation from the 1950-1990 time frame and see that it is directly derived from the Rad Lad designs with HP niceties added!This phenomenon is parallel to the amateur radio gadgets offered commercially that were taken quite directly from the RCA Hints and GE Ham News publications. Two examples are the Millan 92101 receiver preamplifier and the B&W LPA-1 linear. In a related happening (briefly), General Radio mostly avoided making military-specific equipment. One exception perhaps is the APR-1 and APR-4 ECM receivers. They were developed from a GR instrument meant as a detector/receiver for VHF/UHF/Microwave work, the P-540 receiver. See GR Experimenter March 1947 for further information. Direct link: At least go to the KO4BB website and download the PDF’s.I should download the whole lot as a project. After all, my computer local backup external disk holds TWO TERABYTES, and cost about $80.00. (It is partitioned into 4 separate drives for such purposes.) My personal connection to the Rad Lab was that my EE professor at Tufts (1964-’66) was Prof. Hammond. He’d been at the Rad Lab, and referred to MIT as “Tech”. I have to wonder if he contributed to the books and what he worked on there. Here were guys figuring out how to make all the stuff we use now, and EXPLAINING IT.Indeed: schematics, tube types, resistor and capacitor values (some pulse transformers are mysterious), and so on. My favorite volume is “Vacuum Tube Amplifiers” by Valley and Wallman. I have two examples of tube type IF amplifiers I assume are radar IF strips. The design and implementation of these things are covered in this volume: the technology used to achieve wide bandwidth with proper phase charcteristics involves stagger tuned stages, specific tuned circuit Q values set with parallel resistances and more. I didnt even mention the books on timing, waveforms, vacuum tube circuits, servomechanisms, radomes, so on and so on.Analysis and design of servo systems is a faint memory now, perhaps that is just as well! Long live this fundamental archive of good stuff, and may our interest in it survive long. Roy Roy Morgan K1LKY since 1958 k1lky68@... |
开云体育They were originally published by McGraw Hill (red cloth bindings) and later republished by Boston Technical Publishers (lesser-quality gray bindings). It took me quite awhile to collect all volumes. As I recall some titles were very difficult to find and finding any of them in better than “good” condition took a lot of patience.The set was also republished in PDF form (I think by MIT or maybe IEEE), but as I recall the scans were not of high quality. DaveD Sent from a small flat thingy On Nov 22, 2018, at 11:38, Mike Feher <n4fs@...> wrote:
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