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This is the problem when people insist on not quoting the original message and appropriate replies.

A little net etiquette goes a long way and reduces questions and confusion.

Glenn


On 10/29/2018 12:41 PM, Sergey Kubushyn wrote:

On Mon, 29 Oct 2018, Goran Finnberg wrote:

Sergey Kubushyn:

2N4401 is _NOT_ a transistor. It is THYRISTOR aka SCR.

Sorry, no.

The 2N4401 is an NPN transistor.

Datasheet here:

www.onsemi.com/pub_link/Collateral/2N4401-D.PDF

I think 4401 is a typo -- it is a TO-92 transistor and original post was
about 2N4101 in TO-66 package:

pdf.datasheetcatalog.com/datasheets/newjerseysemiconductor/2N4101-2N4102.pdf

There is no 2N4401 in TO-66; it is a low power general purpose transistor,
nothing special.

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On Mon, 29 Oct 2018, 18:19 Artekmedia, <manuals@... <mailto:manuals@...>> wrote:

_*AMEN !
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David K , Mr List Owner: One of things that changed from Yahoo to
groups
.IO. IN yahoo when using the website interface? it automatically
included the prior message(s) when replying, with Groups IO the
default
is NOT to include the prior message without the person replying
taking
an extra step. IS there anyway to change the default reply format
with
in the IO interface? Those of us using our own mail clients generally
don't have the problem but those using the web interface to reply do.

I for one just delete threads that include prior continuity...more is
the loss

Dave
manuals@... <mailto:manuals@...>


I am reluctant to change anything, as it is like the top-posting/bottom-posting topic. Whatever changes one made would upset as many as it pleases. It is like arguing about religion - a futile exercise.

Dave.

From: Kuba Ober <kuba@...>
Sent: Oct 29, 2018 6:15 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: Quoting Prior Messages (Re: [HP-Agilent-Keysight-equipment] Transistors for the A17 voltage regulator 8642B)

I had threading and filtering into folders in ancient Eudora and pine over a decade ago… I don’t understand how one can manage without it, and how obsolete of an email client it would take not to have that functionality (perhaps off by default, but still easily enable-able). Every modern email reader, whether stand-alone or web-based, threads and filters messages into folders. I really wonder what sort of an antique client it takes not to have that functionality. I don’t see the need to delete any messages either, it seems like useless busywork and a waste of time, since we won’t ever run out of space. The time spent deleting the messages or manually organizing them is more expensive than the storage thus “saved”. They compress well, too.

Cheers, Kuba

From: Bryan Fields <bryan@...>
Sent: Oct 30, 2018 12:07 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: Quoting Prior Messages (Re: [HP-Agilent-Keysight-equipment] Transistors for the A17 voltage regulator 8642B)

On 10/29/18 10:56 PM, Michael A. Terrell wrote:

Earthlink Webmail doesn't show threading, either in a browser or with their
cell phone app.

You should get a better MUA then, as it appears to not insert "In-Reply-To:"
or "References:" headers which break threading.

From: Bryan Fields <bryan@...>
Sent: Oct 30, 2018 12:19 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: Quoting Prior Messages (Re: [HP-Agilent-Keysight-equipment] Transistors for the A17 voltage regulator 8642B)

On 10/30/18 12:12 AM, Michael A. Terrell wrote:

Why should I have to change my Email service, just to please others?

Your MUA is broken per RFC 2822 "Internet Message Format":

3.6.4. Identification fields

Though optional, every message SHOULD have a "Message-ID:" field.
Furthermore, reply messages SHOULD have "In-Reply-To:" and
"References:" fields as appropriate, as described below.


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From: Dave McGuire <mcguire@...>
Sent: Oct 30, 2018 12:44 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: Quoting Prior Messages (Re: [HP-Agilent-Keysight-equipment] Transistors for the A17 voltage regulator 8642B)

On 10/30/2018 12:25 AM, Michael A. Terrell wrote:

There is nothing I an do about that, other than change providers and try to update my information on over 100 business websites. Frankly, I think that 99% of the internet is broken due to the low grade programmers who keep screwing with the software to add unwanted 'features', and who gut what you really need.

Changing your mail program (MUAs, Mail User Agent) has NOTHING AT ALL
to do with changing mail *providers* or your email address!

Enough already - this horse is already dead. <deliberately NOT quoting the endless discussion>

David

FWIW, I have an account at drizzle.com. I have gmail import all my
incoming email at drizzle.com such that it shows up in my gmail inbox. I
see that there are instructions for gmail to suck down email from Earthlink
too... I usually access gmail through a web browser, but use the app on
the iphone occasionally. Obviously, there is an Android app. The email
stays in googles cloud. I'm not concerned about the security, email isn't
a secure medium anyway.

As for threading, gmail does it just fine as long as the headers are
there. It's relatively rare that threads get broken up. They also have
semi-reasonable filtering, so I can sort lists into their own folders
(though they call it labelling, the effect is the same though you can put
more than one label on a given email).

There's nothing stopping one getting a gmail account, never giving out the
address and using it to import from other accounts. They give me the
option of sending from my drizzle account as necessary. In fact, should I
need to access my drizzle account directly, I'm going to have to call them
as I've forgotten the password.

30 okt. 2018 kl. 00:38 skrev Sergey Kubushyn <ksi@...>:

On Tue, 30 Oct 2018, Bryan Fields wrote:

On 10/30/18 12:12 AM, Michael A. Terrell wrote:
Why should I have to change my Email service, just to please others?

Your MUA is broken per RFC 2822 "Internet Message Format":

3.6.4. Identification fields

Though optional, every message SHOULD have a "Message-ID:" field.
Furthermore, reply messages SHOULD have "In-Reply-To:" and
"References:" fields as appropriate, as described below.

SHOULD != MUST. Both are used within RFCs and they have DIFFERENT meaning.

But that is secondary to the fact that email was never supposed to be a
discussion instrument so nobody cares threading mail messages. Especially
those stored in random order in MBOX format on local machine that is usually
the case for any sane person -- never ever store ANYTHING on third party
server and remember that Microsoft is not an answer, it is a question and
the answer is "NO!".

What should and IS threaded by any sane _NEWS_reader are NEWS messages e.g.
from usenet. But those are _NOT_ emails and not addressed to anybody so they
form discussion threads. This is what they had been designed for.

Threaded email discussions are oxymoron. Email is NOT designed for
discussion threads. Emails are ADDRESSED messages from particular
address[es] to another particular address[es] and their threading is a poor
man's hack for proper newsgroups.

Ever tried usenet?

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