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As some of you may know, Keysight's home of Santa Rosa, CA suffered a major fire.? Thousands of homes were destroyed as the fire raced down the hillside where Keysight is located.? ABC News (our ch 7) improperly reported that the entire Keysight compound was completely destroyed.? In actuality, only two temporary (modular) buildings were burned.? This is a tiny fraction of the floor space.? A few rental cars also burned. We did lose our credit union office but that is why we have ATM cards.
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That's relatively good news. I
see the two main hotels? (Fountaingrove and Hilton ) weren't so lucky.
I'm still concerned about the homes of many friends.
Daun
Daun E. Yeagley II, N8ASB
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As some of you may know, Keysight's home of Santa
Rosa, CA suffered a major fire.? Thousands of homes were destroyed as
the fire raced down the hillside where Keysight is located.? ABC News
(our ch 7) improperly reported that the entire Keysight compound was
completely destroyed.? In actuality, only two temporary (modular)
buildings were burned.? This is a tiny fraction of the floor
space.? A few rental cars also burned. We did lose our credit union
office but that is why we have ATM
cards.
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source of news
data.
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The fire burned down the west slope of Sonoma Mountain (having destroyed many of the homes on the mountain) and stopped just as the slope flattened out, half a mile from our house. Many homes in the Fountaingrove area were damaged or destroyed; I'm glad to hear Keysight was not obliterated. No doubt, according to the news organs, the whole county and more burned to a crisp. As you say, care is needed in deciding which news sources to believe.
Jeremy
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As some of you may know, Keysight's home of Santa Rosa, CA suffered a major fire.? Thousands of homes were destroyed as the fire raced down the hillside where Keysight is located.? ABC News (our ch 7) improperly reported that the entire Keysight compound was completely destroyed.? In actuality, only two temporary (modular) buildings were burned.? This is a tiny fraction of the floor space.? A few rental cars also burned. We did lose our credit union office but that is why we have ATM cards.
Never trust a singular source of news data.
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What I thought amusing was that the reporter I was listening to essentially said "I've never heard of this company before".? Usually reporters stay away from personal comments when in the field, but since they were reporting all day, I guess they stretching things out and/or getting tired.??
It is annoying how they always make these things sound so bad (although this was a pretty nasty firestorm).? They also reported an earthquake in San Jose today that was widely felt, but I didn't feel a thing. :-(? ?(I like earthquakes...)
-Dave
From: "Jeremy Nichols jn6wfo@... [hp_agilent_equipment]"
To: hp_agilent_equipment@...
Sent: Monday, October 9, 2017 10:14 PM
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The fire burned down the west slope of Sonoma Mountain (having destroyed many of the homes on the mountain) and stopped just as the slope flattened out, half a mile from our house. Many homes in the Fountaingrove area were damaged or destroyed; I'm glad to hear Keysight was not obliterated. No doubt, according to the news organs, the whole county and more burned to a crisp. As you say, care is needed in deciding which news sources to believe.
Jeremy
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As some of you may know, Keysight's home of Santa Rosa, CA suffered a major fire.? Thousands of homes were destroyed as the fire raced down the hillside where Keysight is located.? ABC News (our ch 7) improperly reported that the entire Keysight compound was completely destroyed.? In actuality, only two temporary (modular) buildings were burned.? This is a tiny fraction of the floor space.? A few rental cars also burned. We did lose our credit union office but that is why we have ATM cards.
Never trust a singular source of news data.
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?Whats with the "Fake News" rhetoric. Using the term "Fake News" infers purposeful?deception which I highly doubt is the case. Reporters are humans and they do make mistakes. Also, not everyone?is an electronics nerd interested in $100,000 pieces?of test gear so It's not surprising that a normal person wouldn't know who Keysight is. How many electronics geeks?know who Beneteau is ??and yet they are worlds most highly regarded?builders of high-performance cruising and racing sailboats. By the way, a quick check if the USGS shows that there was indeed a small earthquake just outside Sonoma on the 14th.? ??
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It's not like it was, 50 years ago when it would have taken 20 minutes (at most) to find out who the company is. Now a few seconds with a search engine would have told them who Keysight is. The difference between losing two portables and a couple vehicles vs losing the entire corporation is a huge error that a real journalist wouldn't have made.
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?Whats with the "Fake News" rhetoric. Using the term "Fake News" infers purposeful?deception which I highly doubt is the case. Reporters are humans and they do make mistakes. Also, not everyone?is an electronics nerd interested in $100,000 pieces?of test gear so It's not surprising that a normal person wouldn't know who Keysight is. How many electronics geeks?know who Beneteau is ??and yet they are worlds most highly regarded?builders of high-performance cruising and racing sailboats. By the way, a quick check if the USGS shows that there was indeed a small earthquake just outside Sonoma on the 14th.? ?? Michael A. Terrell
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Fake News is fiction, a lie, propaganda.? What is being described sounds more like incompetence.? But of course there are a zillion "channels" now and many fewer paying subscribers, so what do you expect in terms of quality?? How many subscriptions do you pay for? Fewer and fewer people pay for their news sources these days so quality will inevitably suffer.
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On 10/14/2017 8:29 PM, 'Michael A. Terrell' mike.terrell@... [hp_agilent_equipment] wrote:
It's not like it was, 50 years ago when it would have taken 20 minutes (at most) to find out who the company is. Now a few seconds with a search engine would have told them who Keysight is. The difference between losing two portables and a couple vehicles vs losing the entire corporation is a huge error that a real journalist wouldn't have made.
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Sent: Oct 14, 2017 6:46 PM
To: "hp_agilent_equipment@..." <hp_agilent_equipment@...>
Subject: [hp_agilent_equipment] Re: Fake fire New
?Whats with the "Fake News" rhetoric. Using the term "Fake News" infers purposeful?deception which I highly doubt is the case. Reporters are humans and they do make mistakes. Also, not everyone?is an electronics nerd interested in $100,000 pieces?of test gear so It's not surprising that a normal person wouldn't know who Keysight is. How many electronics geeks?know who Beneteau is ??and yet they are worlds most highly regarded?builders of high-performance cruising and racing sailboats. By the way, a quick check if the USGS shows that there was indeed a small earthquake just outside Sonoma on the 14th.
Michael A. Terrell
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This is not the time to have this type of discussion. Many of us either visited, worked there, and for my part at least, have gotten to know many people in Santa Rosa. Most are retired now and I think we should all be praying they are all well. Regards Bill Lauchlan From: hp_agilent_equipment@... [mailto:hp_agilent_equipment@...] Sent: Saturday, October 14, 2017 10:14 PM To: hp_agilent_equipment@... Subject: Re: [hp_agilent_equipment] Re: Fake fire New Fake News is fiction, a lie, propaganda. What is being described sounds more like incompetence. But of course there are a zillion "channels" now and many fewer paying subscribers, so what do you expect in terms of quality? How many subscriptions do you pay for? Fewer and fewer people pay for their news sources these days so quality will inevitably suffer. On 10/14/2017 8:29 PM, 'Michael A. Terrell' mike.terrell@... [hp_agilent_equipment] wrote:
It's not like it was, 50 years ago when it would have taken 20 minutes (at
most) to find out who the company is. Now a few seconds with a search engine
would have told them who Keysight is. The difference between losing two
portables and a couple vehicles vs losing the entire corporation is a huge
error that a real journalist wouldn't have made.
-----Original Message-----
From: "Dan Nelson blaze_1024@... [hp_agilent_equipment]" <hp_agilent_equipment@...>
Sent: Oct 14, 2017 6:46 PM
To: "hp_agilent_equipment@..." <hp_agilent_equipment@...>
Subject: [hp_agilent_equipment] Re: Fake fire New
Whats with the "Fake News" rhetoric. Using the term "Fake News" infers purposeful deception which I highly doubt is the case. Reporters are humans
and they do make mistakes. Also, not everyone is an electronics nerd
interested in $100,000 pieces of test gear so It's not surprising that a
normal person wouldn't know who Keysight is. How many electronics geeks know
who Beneteau is ? and yet they are worlds most highly regarded builders of
high-performance cruising and racing sailboats. By the way, a quick check if
the USGS shows that there was indeed a small earthquake just outside Sonoma on
the 14th.
Michael A. Terrell
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It was a commercial TV station. We pay for it, whenever we buy something sold by their sponsors. They are supposed to be professionals, not some hack, with a free blog. They just make things up, rather than actually do their job of investigating the news before reporting it. I worked as a Broadcast Engineer and radio & TV stations. Shoddy work like this, is the main reason that I left that field. If I did my job as poorly as the 'News' the stations would be off the air more than they were on.
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Sent: Oct 14, 2017 10:13 PM
To: hp_agilent_equipment@...
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Fake News is fiction, a lie, propaganda.? What is being described sounds more
like incompetence.? But of course there are a zillion "channels" now and many
fewer paying subscribers, so what do you expect in terms of quality?? How many
subscriptions do you pay for? Fewer and fewer people pay for their news sources
these days so quality will inevitably suffer.
On 10/14/2017 8:29 PM, 'Michael A. Terrell' mike.terrell@...
[hp_agilent_equipment] wrote:
It's not like it was, 50 years ago when it would have taken 20 minutes (at
most) to find out who the company is. Now a few seconds with a search engine
would have told them who Keysight is. The difference between losing two
portables and a couple vehicles vs losing the entire corporation is a huge
error that a real journalist wouldn't have made.
-----Original Message-----
From: "Dan Nelson blaze_1024@... [hp_agilent_equipment]" <hp_agilent_equipment@...>
Sent: Oct 14, 2017 6:46 PM
To: "hp_agilent_equipment@..." <hp_agilent_equipment@...>
Subject: [hp_agilent_equipment] Re: Fake fire New
?Whats with the "Fake News" rhetoric. Using the term "Fake News" infers purposeful?deception which I highly doubt is the case. Reporters are humans
and they do make mistakes. Also, not everyone?is an electronics nerd
interested in $100,000 pieces?of test gear so It's not surprising that a
normal person wouldn't know who Keysight is. How many electronics geeks?know
who Beneteau is ??and yet they are worlds most highly regarded?builders of
high-performance cruising and racing sailboats. By the way, a quick check if
the USGS shows that there was indeed a small earthquake just outside Sonoma on
the 14th.
Michael A. Terrell
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I have friends in the areas affected by the fires that I haven't been able to contact. I am praying for them, and the others who are affected.
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Subject: RE: [hp_agilent_equipment] Re: Fake fire New
This is not the time to have this type of discussion. Many of us either visited, worked there, and for my part at least, have gotten to know many people in Santa Rosa. Most are retired now and I think we should all be praying
they are all well. Regards Bill Lauchlan
From: hp_agilent_equipment@... [mailto:hp_agilent_equipment@...]
Sent: Saturday, October 14, 2017 10:14 PM
To: hp_agilent_equipment@...
Subject: Re: [hp_agilent_equipment] Re: Fake fire New
Fake News is fiction, a lie, propaganda. What is being described sounds more
like incompetence. But of course there are a zillion "channels" now and many
fewer paying subscribers, so what do you expect in terms of quality? How many
subscriptions do you pay for? Fewer and fewer people pay for their news sources
these days so quality will inevitably suffer.
On 10/14/2017 8:29 PM, 'Michael A. Terrell' mike.terrell@...
[hp_agilent_equipment] wrote:
It's not like it was, 50 years ago when it would have taken 20 minutes (at
most) to find out who the company is. Now a few seconds with a search engine
would have told them who Keysight is. The difference between losing two
portables and a couple vehicles vs losing the entire corporation is a huge
error that a real journalist wouldn't have made.
-----Original Message-----
From: "Dan Nelson blaze_1024@... [hp_agilent_equipment]" <hp_agilent_equipment@...>
Sent: Oct 14, 2017 6:46 PM
To: "hp_agilent_equipment@..." <hp_agilent_equipment@...>
Subject: [hp_agilent_equipment] Re: Fake fire New
Whats with the "Fake News" rhetoric. Using the term "Fake News" infers purposeful deception which I highly doubt is the case. Reporters are humans
and they do make mistakes. Also, not everyone is an electronics nerd
interested in $100,000 pieces of test gear so It's not surprising that a
normal person wouldn't know who Keysight is. How many electronics geeks know
who Beneteau is ? and yet they are worlds most highly regarded builders of
high-performance cruising and racing sailboats. By the way, a quick check if
the USGS shows that there was indeed a small earthquake just outside Sonoma on
the 14th.
Michael A. Terrell
Michael A. Terrell
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Please please keep politics and conspiracy theory rhetoric away from this group.
If I want rants and abusive postings, I can find gobs of them on sci.electronics.design, surrounding a few technical gems. At least one of the (other) contributors to this thread can be found "over there".
Although it isn't directly relevant to this group, one of the good things
about working at HP was that any such statements would have been quickly
and effectively stamped on. That contributed to a pleasant working atmosphere.
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I have family?living in Sonoma as well and don't really appreciate the directing this conversation has taken, As a retired LEO I have a real issue with people who attack the guardians of our first amendment rights. The media has generally done more to protect our first amendment rights than all wars combined. And I don't say that lightly as both my son's are in the military. My oldest is a Seal and my youngest just graduated from Army Ranger school?at Fort Benning.?
?Attacking the media has always been a popular pastime for certain groups especially conspiracy theorists, Unfortunately, it has graduated to a form of Alt-Right political correctness.? I never thought I would see the day that a news organization?would be relentlessly attacked and labeled?"Fake News" for directly quoting something someone said on live?TV.?
I always thought electronics professionals, as well as hobbyist, were above that sort of nonsense, As such the last place I expected to see this sort of nonsense is here on this forum.?
Best Regards?
D. Nelson?? ?
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Greetings,
I have been reading some of the posts regrading the inaccurate reporting regarding the Keysight plant in Santa Rosa.
While I find inaccurate reporting as disturbing as most of us, I must also note that I am growing weary of this ongoing discussion.
I am taking the time to add to this conversation to suggest our efforts and energies might be put to better use if we can discover how we might help Keysight employees who have suffered loss as a result of these fires.
I know of at least one Keysight family who lost their home and possessions.
While it is reasonable to believe that most of the material losses will be covered by insurance there is, without question emotional loss and perhaps we can send some simple, yet supportive and encouraging gifts, to the Keysight campus for those
that suffered losses.
Regards,
Ken
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It was a commercial TV station. We pay for it, whenever we buy something sold by their sponsors. They are supposed to be professionals, not some hack, with a free blog. They just make things up,
rather than actually do their job of investigating the news before reporting it. I worked as a Broadcast Engineer and radio & TV stations. Shoddy work like this, is the main reason that I left that field. If I did my job as poorly as the 'News' the stations
would be off the air more than they were on.
-----Original Message-----
>From: "Peter Gottlieb?hpnpilot@...?[hp_agilent_equipment]" <hp_agilent_equipment@...>
>Sent: Oct 14, 2017 10:13 PM
>To:?hp_agilent_equipment@...
>Subject: Re: [hp_agilent_equipment] Re: Fake fire New
>
>Fake News is fiction, a lie, propaganda.? What is being described sounds more?
>like incompetence.? But of course there are a zillion "channels" now and many?
>fewer paying subscribers, so what do you expect in terms of quality?? How many?
>subscriptions do you pay for? Fewer and fewer people pay for their news sources?
>these days so quality will inevitably suffer.
>
>
>On 10/14/2017 8:29 PM, 'Michael A. Terrell'?mike.terrell@...?
>[hp_agilent_equipment] wrote:
>>
>> It's not like it was, 50 years ago when it would have taken 20 minutes (at?
>> most) to find out who the company is. Now a few seconds with a search engine?
>> would have told them who Keysight is. The difference between losing two?
>> portables and a couple vehicles vs losing the entire corporation is a huge?
>> error that a real journalist wouldn't have made.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> >From: "Dan Nelson?blaze_1024@...?[hp_agilent_equipment]"?
>> <hp_agilent_equipment@...>
>> >Sent: Oct 14, 2017 6:46 PM
>> >To: "hp_agilent_equipment@..." <hp_agilent_equipment@...>
>> >Subject: [hp_agilent_equipment] Re: Fake fire New
>> >
>> >?Whats with the "Fake News" rhetoric. Using the term "Fake News" infers?
>> purposeful?deception which I highly doubt is the case. Reporters are humans?
>> and they do make mistakes. Also, not everyone?is an electronics nerd?
>> interested in $100,000 pieces?of test gear so It's not surprising that a?
>> normal person wouldn't know who Keysight is. How many electronics geeks?know?
>> who Beneteau is ??and yet they are worlds most highly regarded?builders of?
>> high-performance cruising and racing sailboats. By the way, a quick check if?
>> the USGS shows that there was indeed a small earthquake just outside Sonoma on?
>> the 14th.
>>
>> Michael A. Terrell
>>
>>?
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Dan, I certainly agree that this is not the forum in any sense for a political debate.? Unfortunately you went on to engage in exactly that.?
"The Media" has destroyed its own worthiness and doesn't need anyone's help.
George
On Sunday, October 15, 2017 7:16 AM, "Dan Nelson blaze_1024@... [hp_agilent_equipment]" wrote:
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I have family?living in Sonoma as well and don't really appreciate the directing this conversation has taken, As a retired LEO I have a real issue with people who attack the guardians of our first amendment rights. The media has generally done more to protect our first amendment rights than all wars combined. And I don't say that lightly as both my son's are in the military. My oldest is a Seal and my youngest just graduated from Army Ranger school?at Fort Benning.?
?Attacking the media has always been a popular pastime for certain groups especially conspiracy theorists, Unfortunately, it has graduated to a form of Alt-Right political correctness.? I never thought I would see the day that a news organization?would be relentlessly attacked and labeled?"Fake News" for directly quoting something someone said on live?TV.?
I always thought electronics professionals, as well as hobbyist, were above that sort of nonsense, As such the last place I expected to see this sort of nonsense is here on this forum.?
Best Regards?
D. Nelson?? ?
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>>> "The Media" has destroyed its own worthiness and doesn't need anyone's help.
It's a sad reflection on current circumstances that this is itself nearly a political statement.
Dan, I certainly agree that this is not the forum in any sense for a political debate.? Unfortunately you went on to engage in exactly that.?
"The Media" has destroyed its own worthiness and doesn't need anyone's help.
George
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I have family?living in Sonoma as well and don't really appreciate the directing this conversation has taken, As a retired LEO I have a real issue with people who attack the guardians of our first amendment rights. The media has generally done more to protect our first amendment rights than all wars combined. And I don't say that lightly as both my son's are in the military. My oldest is a Seal and my youngest just graduated from Army Ranger school?at Fort Benning.?
?Attacking the media has always been a popular pastime for certain groups especially conspiracy theorists, Unfortunately, it has graduated to a form of Alt-Right political correctness.? I never thought I would see the day that a news organization?would be relentlessly attacked and labeled?"Fake News" for directly quoting something someone said on live?TV.?
I always thought electronics professionals, as well as hobbyist, were above that sort of nonsense, As such the last place I expected to see this sort of nonsense is here on this forum.?
Best Regards?
D. Nelson?? ?
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I too expected that electronics
professionals and hobbyists would be above that sort of nonsense
and would refrain not only from indulging in conspiracy theories
and political rants, but also from posting them in electronics
groups/forums.
Unfortunately I was unpleasantly surprised by the postings in
sci.electronics.design, and it appears some people would like that
to spread to here.
Would everybody please discuss anything resembling politics and
conspiracy theories elsewhere.
Enough said, I fervently hope.
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Dan, I
certainly agree that this is not the forum in any sense
for a political debate.? Unfortunately you went on to
engage in exactly that.?
"The Media"
has destroyed its own worthiness and doesn't need
anyone's help.
George
On
Sunday, October 15, 2017 7:16 AM, "Dan Nelson
blaze_1024@... [hp_agilent_equipment]"
wrote:
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I
have family?living in Sonoma as well
and don't really appreciate the
directing this conversation has
taken, As a retired LEO I have a
real issue with people who attack
the guardians of our first amendment
rights. The media has generally done
more to protect our first amendment
rights than all wars combined. And I
don't say that lightly as both my
son's are in the military. My oldest
is a Seal and my youngest just
graduated from Army Ranger school?at
Fort Benning.?
?Attacking the media has always been
a popular pastime for certain groups
especially conspiracy theorists,
Unfortunately, it has graduated to a
form of Alt-Right political
correctness.? I never thought I
would see the day that a news
organization?would be relentlessly
attacked and labeled?"Fake News" for
directly quoting something someone
said on live?TV.?
I always thought electronics
professionals, as well as hobbyist,
were above that sort of nonsense, As
such the last place I expected to
see this sort of nonsense is here on
this forum.?
Best Regards?
D. Nelson?
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As the original poster of this thread, I did not meant this to be political in nature.? I just wanted to debunk this shoddy reporting before it caused undue worry. ? I'm sorry, I should not have used the term "fake news" since it was obviously not faked, but instead was just poor or lazy reporting.? ABC 7 did eventually correct the article.
Needless to say, this was a shock to all of us that work there.? We had no other source of news since the entire area is blocked off.?? I refused to believe this article and fortunately was proven right.? Our CEO also had to deal with this inept news report:??
Sadly, I know way too many people that lost everything.
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I am sorry, but just saying ..."poor or lazy reporting"... is only sugar coating the facts.
The fact is, the reporter did not confirm his story, so in fact, he (she or it) made up
some of the alleged facts.
If you make up facts, that to me, is FAKE.
73, Dick, W1KSZ
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As the original poster of this thread, I did not meant this to be political in nature.? I just wanted to debunk this shoddy reporting before it caused undue worry. ? I'm sorry, I should not have used the term "fake news"
since it was obviously not faked, but instead was just poor or lazy reporting.? ABC 7 did eventually correct the article.
Needless to say, this was a shock to all of us that work there.? We had no other source of news since the entire area is blocked off.?? I refused to believe this article and fortunately was proven right.? Our CEO also had to deal with this inept news report:??
Sadly, I know way too many people that lost everything.
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Jeremy Nichols
Michael A. Terrell