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Help needed with HP Pin diode.


 

?I have a Schlumberger 4002 signal generator, I need help with a pin diode in this unit.

The pin diode is QPND 4709?(HP manuafacture), I can't find it anywhere, I am looking for this or a replacement for it, would like a non smd, since layout is for leaded axial type. I have no experience with pin diodes and need help. The pin diodes is used for AM modulation and level adjustment of the carrier, please see the schematic I attached.?

Thank you.

Rgds

Henrik



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Hi Henrik if you want a simple single wire ended pin diode you might find something like the older 5082-3001 or 3002 might work in that application. They are only specc'd down to 10MHz in my very old HP book (Aug 1967 !!) but should work as a modulator down to 1MHz because you can use normal HS diodes for that. The pins will be better at the high frequency end.
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Subject: [hp_agilent_equipment] Help needed with HP Pin diode.

?I have a Schlumberger 4002 signal generator, I need help with a pin diode in this unit.

The pin diode is QPND 4709?(HP manuafacture), I can't find it anywhere, I am looking for this or a replacement for it, would like a non smd, since layout is for leaded axial type. I have no experience with pin diodes and need help. The pin diodes is used for AM modulation and level adjustment of the carrier, please see the schematic I attached.?

Thank you.

Rgds

Henrik



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On 07/21/2017 04:17 AM, henrik.clement.sommer@... [hp_agilent_equipment] wrote:
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?I have a Schlumberger 4002 signal generator, I need help with a pin diode in this unit.

The pin diode is QPND 4709?(HP manuafacture), I can't find it anywhere, I am looking for this or a replacement for it, would like a non smd, since layout is for leaded axial type. I have no experience with pin diodes and need help. The pin diodes is used for AM modulation and level adjustment of the carrier, please see the schematic I attached.?

Thank you.

Rgds

Henrik




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It may be simpler to add wire lead cuttings to an SMD package and encapsulate in hotglue for proper part spec. match up.


 

Sorry Photobucket seem to have a problem...
I created a photo folder named Schlumberger 4002, the schematic is in this folder.

Rgds
Henrik


 

Good idea AncelB, but I don't have data for the QPND 4709, I don't know which pin diode I can use as replacement, help would really be appreciated. Maybe someone with HP databook from the 1970 -1985 can find the data. This generator was produced around 1980 - 1985.


 

What is the operating frequency range? Presuming it's low-RF to VHF that worked with a common DO- sized PIN, it should be no problem finding a generic one to try out. If you have the instrument manual and schematics, you should be able to estimate the driving current range, which is likely a couple to maybe 50 or 100 mA tops. You can try regular diodes too - they won't work quite the same, but close, as long as the frequency is reasonably high. Then you can do some work on the circuits until you find a suitable part.

HP used a lot of some very common PINs in nearly every piece of RF gear they made, for many purposes, so it may be possible to find salvaged instruments or pieces containing what you need.

Ed


Dave Platt
 

Good idea AncelB, but I don't have data for the QPND 4709, I don't know
which pin diode I can use as replacement, help would really be
appreciated. Maybe someone with HP databook from the 1970 -1985 can find
the data. This generator was produced around 1980 - 1985.
I recall reading, some years ago, that the "Q" prefix character on an HP
part number meant "special, non-stock item" - in effect, a house-
numbered part. They might be stock parts given a special number for
project-tracking purposes, or they might be from a stock-part run but
were specially selected for some particular characteristic (low loss,
tight specification spread, etc.) or they might be fully-custom parts
intended for just one particular use, or "leading edge" parts that HP
wanted to reserve for their own products as a competitive advantage.

So, I suspect you won't find them in a standard HP databook of any
era. You may find HPND parts - it looks as if Broadcom is now the
proud owner of the HPND product line - but I have my doubts that you'll
find an exact replacement unless you stumble across somebody who has
one squirreled away in a parts drawer down in an unused lavatory behind
a locked basement door with a sign saying "Warning, Beware Of The
Leopard!"

might
give you a place to look for a part which might be adapted to
your circuit.

Experimentation and trial-and-error are probably going to be your
best bet.


 

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Dave forgot to mention that the door down in the basement is guarded by Jedi Engineers and Ninja Lawyers

All kidding aside since this is a leaded part you might just study the schematic for a bit and then buy a handful of different but inexpensive parts and try them in the circuit.??? In the 30+ years that have passed since the relatively??? new (back then) PIN diode were introduced that many newer parts??? with the advances in the technology may more than satisfy the requirement for this application

Dave


On 7/21/2017 8:20 PM, Dave Platt dplatt-yahoogroups@... [hp_agilent_equipment] wrote:
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> Good idea AncelB, but I don't have data for the QPND 4709, I don't know
> which pin diode I can use as replacement, help would really be
> appreciated. Maybe someone with HP databook from the 1970 -1985 can find
> the data. This generator was produced around 1980 - 1985.

I recall reading, some years ago, that the "Q" prefix character on an HP
part number meant "special, non-stock item" - in effect, a house-
numbered part. They might be stock parts given a special number for
project-tracking purposes, or they might be from a stock-part run but
were specially selected for some particular characteristic (low loss,
tight specification spread, etc.) or they might be fully-custom parts
intended for just one particular use, or "leading edge" parts that HP
wanted to reserve for their own products as a competitive advantage.

So, I suspect you won't find them in a standard HP databook of any
era. You may find HPND parts - it looks as if Broadcom is now the
proud owner of the HPND product line - but I have my doubts that you'll
find an exact replacement unless you stumble across somebody who has
one squirreled away in a parts drawer down in an unused lavatory behind
a locked basement door with a sign saying "Warning, Beware Of The
Leopard!"

might
give you a place to look for a part which might be adapted to
your circuit.

Experimentation and trial-and-error are probably going to be your
best bet.


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Dave
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Hi Henrik I have a few 5082-3080 (NOS) hp diodes saved from one of my previous QRL's dustbin. I can send you a few if you like.
Best regards
Rien


 

The operating frequency is 20 - 1080 Mhz, I tried one, it worked without AM modulation(level adj.), but AM modulation looked strange...


 

Hi Rien
? Thank you for your kind offer, I think this is my best shot, I have been looking for pin diodes from this data sheet, since the 5082-3077 is used in the Stabilock for the same purpose, your 5082-3080 is very close. I need four of them, please let me know how much and I can send you the money. I live in denmark.
Rgds
Henrik


 

Henrik,

I can send you a handful of HP?5082-3077 and it is for free, if you like.
Contact me off list with your address.

G?ran


 

Hi G?ran
? Very kind of you, I just did send you a email, please let me know if you didn't receive it
Rgds
Henrik