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Workbench surface


Steve
 

There was a discussion regarding workbenches on this reflector back in October and I'd like to ask for some follow up advice.

I'm planning to replace an old workbench. Is there a top I can put on my new workbench that is ESD safe? Right now I have an ESD mat that I place on the workbench surface when appropriate.

Inasmuch as I'm going to be more or less starting from scratch, I thought I'd at least ask the question about an ESD-safe work surface.

Thoughts or advice out there?

Thanks.

Steve K8JQ


 

have been through this a couple of times in last 20 years,

a. Using a static mat from 3M or one of the top companies that supply
to HP and others is the best recommendation, those mats allow
static discharge at the best rate. Dont use an aluminium sheet to ground
as some people have tried.

b. If you have overhead fluoros then might need to reduce the mats 1M to 100K,
in my case the 1M meant the mat wasnt draining the field from the fluoro and
we blew many mosfet gates (the ones without protection zeners). If you are not
going to be handling anything without protection zeners then dont bother.

c. Have a region of interface between the static mat region and where you walk from
so some static can dissipate before you get to the mat. Like a 3m area which
is floor treated, floor mat is ideal but I find that carpet is ok if its treated twice a
year with some spray on static treatment.

d. If you are handling a lot of very sensitive devices in most other places in the lab
where they might be stored but not worked on then a static controlled fan might
be helpful, cant recall the name but it has a ion source either mildly radioactive
or a power operated type. I dont use one myself but depends what you are handling,
others might comment on that.

cheers

mike

At 11:50 AM 3/12/06, you wrote:

There was a discussion regarding workbenches on this reflector back in
October and I'd like to ask for some follow up advice.

I'm planning to replace an old workbench. Is there a top I can put on my
new workbench that is ESD safe? Right now I have an ESD mat that I place
on the workbench surface when appropriate.

Inasmuch as I'm going to be more or less starting from scratch, I
thought I'd at least ask the question about an ESD-safe work surface.

Thoughts or advice out there?

Thanks.

Steve K8JQ


 

have been through this a couple of times in last 20 years,
That was all very interesting - particularly that a 1M-ohm mat was
susceptible to fluorescent light e-m. Two points that are worth making to
clarify:

1. The reason that Al foil is bad is that any static charge on a device
comes out instantly - and the high peak current that flows (even from a few
pF on the gate of a FET) is so high that thermal damage occurs. A resistive
mat is essential to make sure that charge bleeds out slowly enough to
prevent this.

2. It is possible to subtly damage devices without destroying them totally -
leading to change in characteristics, noise and/or lifetime.

The only solution is to follow a good protocol. I put that in place after I
destroyed a rare double FET while repairing a 'scope.

Craig


Rasputin Novgorod
 

The only solution is to follow a good protocol. I put that in place
after I
destroyed a rare double FET while repairing a 'scope.
After several careless incidents with soldering irons,
I started using fireproof table tops (with static mats
on top). It was some kind of laboratory table-top, a mix
of asbestos and resin, that was made locally when I lived in
New England. I've had them for 20 years. I remember the
factory cutting room was clouded with airborne asbestos and
cement dust; nobody wearing masks. The safety inspectors
wound have had fits...
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Steve
 

Thanks Mike and others for the advice, it's most helpful and educational.

I didn't realize that fluorescent lighting could be a problem. In any event, I'm not using that kind of lighting.

I will take a look at 3M and other mats, both for the floor and the bench top.

73,

Steve K8JQ

Mike wrote:

have been through this a couple of times in last 20 years,
a. Using a static mat from 3M or one of the top companies that supply
to HP and others is the best recommendation, those mats allow
static discharge at the best rate. Dont use an aluminium sheet to ground
as some people have tried.
b. If you have overhead fluoros then might need to reduce the mats 1M to 100K,
in my case the 1M meant the mat wasnt draining the field from the fluoro and
we blew many mosfet gates (the ones without protection zeners). If you are not
going to be handling anything without protection zeners then dont bother.
c. Have a region of interface between the static mat region and where you walk from
so some static can dissipate before you get to the mat. Like a 3m area which
is floor treated, floor mat is ideal but I find that carpet is ok if its treated twice a year with some spray on static treatment.
d. If you are handling a lot of very sensitive devices in most other places in the lab
where they might be stored but not worked on then a static controlled fan might
be helpful, cant recall the name but it has a ion source either mildly radioactive
or a power operated type. I dont use one myself but depends what you are handling,
others might comment on that.
cheers
mike
At 11:50 AM 3/12/06, you wrote:

There was a discussion regarding workbenches on this reflector back in October and I'd like to ask for some follow up advice.

I'm planning to replace an old workbench. Is there a top I can put on my new workbench that is ESD safe? Right now I have an ESD mat that I place on the workbench surface when appropriate.

Inasmuch as I'm going to be more or less starting from scratch, I thought I'd at least ask the question about an ESD-safe work surface.

Thoughts or advice out there?

Thanks.

Steve K8JQ

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At 10:30 AM 6/12/06, you wrote:
I didn't realize that fluorescent lighting could be a problem. In any
event, I'm not using that kind of lighting.
I forgot to mention that it was only a real problem because it was quite low
over the bench and the cables to the lights wound around the back and side of
the bench, plus they were the old inductor type ballast and the large metal
housing might not have been well grounded. When a 20v max mosfet gate
regularly gets 27v at 50hz it doesnt last long but all other ICs were ok,
a drop in the mat resistor to 100k didnt upset any other handling and
dropped the field voltage from 27 to around 2.5

I will take a look at 3M and other mats, both for the floor and the
bench top.
Ah - I just checked my post, the '3m' later on referred to a 3 metre area
of transition (miniumu) from an unsafe to the fully safe area. For me this did not
need a 3M mat just an ordinary wool/cotton carpet which was treated with the same
chemical women use when ironing to stop their dresses sticking to their
panty hoses - it was *much* cheaper than the 3M or any other chemicals, I
actually still have a Bokhara Afghan rug, cost about $600 in the olde days when
these were being sold as "investments", still in one piece must have had it
for over 20years now, more utilitarian than worth hanging on the wall for a seance ;)
From what I recall, the chemical is just some ionic salt, perhaps even MgSO4 or
maybe some mix which was very slightly hygroscopic, or at least had some lower
resistance when dry at low humidity levels cant recall exactly. I dont
use it anymore as my smallest lab is for my use only and if I ever have any
very badly static sensitive devices on that 3M bench then my whole demeanor
changes dramatically :P

Cheers

Mike





73,

Steve K8JQ

Mike wrote:
have been through this a couple of times in last 20 years,

a. Using a static mat from 3M or one of the top companies that supply
to HP and others is the best recommendation, those mats allow
static discharge at the best rate. Dont use an aluminium sheet to ground
as some people have tried.

b. If you have overhead fluoros then might need to reduce the mats 1M to 100K,
in my case the 1M meant the mat wasnt draining the field from the fluoro and
we blew many mosfet gates (the ones without protection zeners). If you are not
going to be handling anything without protection zeners then dont bother.

c. Have a region of interface between the static mat region and where you walk from
so some static can dissipate before you get to the mat. Like a 3m area which
is floor treated, floor mat is ideal but I find that carpet is ok if its treated twice a
year with some spray on static treatment.

d. If you are handling a lot of very sensitive devices in most other places in the lab
where they might be stored but not worked on then a static controlled fan might
be helpful, cant recall the name but it has a ion source either mildly radioactive
or a power operated type. I dont use one myself but depends what you are handling,
others might comment on that.

cheers

mike




At 11:50 AM 3/12/06, you wrote:

There was a discussion regarding workbenches on this reflector back in
October and I'd like to ask for some follow up advice.

I'm planning to replace an old workbench. Is there a top I can put on my
new workbench that is ESD safe? Right now I have an ESD mat that I place
on the workbench surface when appropriate.

Inasmuch as I'm going to be more or less starting from scratch, I
thought I'd at least ask the question about an ESD-safe work surface.

Thoughts or advice out there?

Thanks.

Steve K8JQ







Yahoo! Groups Links




 

Hi Steve,

To see what you are dealing with, turn on your oscilloscope, set its sweep
speed to 10ms/dividion, set its vertical deflection to 0.5 V/division, and
with one hand, grab the tip of your scope probe.

That signal on your screen is real, and has enough current to drive a 10 meg
to ground load. Now, imagine what that signal would be if your load
was 100 meg, or 1000 meg to ground.

Oh, and it doesn't matter what kind of lighting you are using, this is stray
coupling to the power line. If you use mains electricity, it is there.

-Chuck Harris

Steve wrote:

Thanks Mike and others for the advice, it's most helpful and educational.
I didn't realize that fluorescent lighting could be a problem. In any event, I'm not using that kind of lighting.
I will take a look at 3M and other mats, both for the floor and the bench top.
73,
Steve K8JQ
Mike wrote:
have been through this a couple of times in last 20 years,

a. Using a static mat from 3M or one of the top companies that supply
to HP and others is the best recommendation, those mats allow
static discharge at the best rate. Dont use an aluminium sheet to ground
as some people have tried.

b. If you have overhead fluoros then might need to reduce the mats 1M to 100K,
in my case the 1M meant the mat wasnt draining the field from the fluoro and
we blew many mosfet gates (the ones without protection zeners). If you are not
going to be handling anything without protection zeners then dont bother.

c. Have a region of interface between the static mat region and where you walk from
so some static can dissipate before you get to the mat. Like a 3m area which
is floor treated, floor mat is ideal but I find that carpet is ok if its treated twice a year with some spray on static treatment.

d. If you are handling a lot of very sensitive devices in most other places in the lab
where they might be stored but not worked on then a static controlled fan might
be helpful, cant recall the name but it has a ion source either mildly radioactive
or a power operated type. I dont use one myself but depends what you are handling,
others might comment on that.

cheers

mike




At 11:50 AM 3/12/06, you wrote:

There was a discussion regarding workbenches on this reflector back in October and I'd like to ask for some follow up advice.

I'm planning to replace an old workbench. Is there a top I can put on my new workbench that is ESD safe? Right now I have an ESD mat that I place on the workbench surface when appropriate.

Inasmuch as I'm going to be more or less starting from scratch, I thought I'd at least ask the question about an ESD-safe work surface.

Thoughts or advice out there?

Thanks.

Steve K8JQ




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