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Asking for a friend, his words:
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About 30 years ago I started using MathCAD for most of my calculations.
It used standard algebraic display of equations - which after Fortran
seemed so easy ....
I eventually got MathCAD 7 for use with my consulting work? - Was great !
Many years later, I bought MathCAD 13 - and found - to my dismay - that
they (Mathsoft) had not made it backward compatible !
All my old files needed to be seriously modified!? ---- So I stayed with
Version 7 .
My MathCAD 7 was the "standard" version - not the "Professional" version
- although both used the same manual !
Some functions were not available in my standard version - in
particular, "DO" loops !
I managed for years without them --- but then, about 3 years ago, my
requirement for large iterative calculations got to be basically
impossible using my "work-arounds".
I am 82 years old - and not keen to learn a whole new language --- so I
wondered if I could buy an old "used" version of? Mathcad 7
"professional"? ? Is such a thing done?
I would hope to put it on my Windows 10 system computer - just the way I
did with my old, standard, MathCAD 7 version.
??With my old standard version, I simply transferred the old file into
the new computer, using the same file file structure, onto the C drive
of the new machine - and it worked !
No fancy installation with codes and passwords required - I was amazed !
If anyone can help me to acquire? the "Professional" version, I`m happy
to pay for the? file and the service. Ron.
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Failing that can anyone suggest a modern software package with an easy learning curve to replace the MathCad 7 Professional?
Preferably something without being locked into passwords, auto-billing, and endless updates that prevent work being done (like Microsoft's products).
Bear in mind all his old files will have to be edited.
I realize this is likely to open a can of worms so please be objective to the requirements.
PeterB
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Wow.? 82 years old, still competent? with software skills, and can write a very cogent and easy to follow message.? I'm impressed.? I hope that in 11 more years, I'm still here and can do as well.
Barry - N4BUQ
Asking for a friend, his words:
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About 30 years ago I started using MathCAD for most of my calculations.
It used standard algebraic display of equations - which after Fortran
seemed so easy ....
I eventually got MathCAD 7 for use with my consulting work? - Was great !
Many years later, I bought MathCAD 13 - and found - to my dismay - that
they (Mathsoft) had not made it backward compatible !
All my old files needed to be seriously modified!? ---- So I stayed with
Version 7 .
My MathCAD 7 was the "standard" version - not the "Professional" version
- although both used the same manual !
Some functions were not available in my standard version - in
particular, "DO" loops !
I managed for years without them --- but then, about 3 years ago, my
requirement for large iterative calculations got to be basically
impossible using my "work-arounds".
I am 82 years old - and not keen to learn a whole new language --- so I
wondered if I could buy an old "used" version of? Mathcad 7
"professional"? ? Is such a thing done?
I would hope to put it on my Windows 10 system computer - just the way I
did with my old, standard, MathCAD 7 version.
??With my old standard version, I simply transferred the old file into
the new computer, using the same file file structure, onto the C drive
of the new machine - and it worked !
No fancy installation with codes and passwords required - I was amazed !
If anyone can help me to acquire? the "Professional" version, I`m happy
to pay for the? file and the service. Ron.
?
Failing that can anyone suggest a modern software package with an easy learning curve to replace the MathCad 7 Professional?
Preferably something without being locked into passwords, auto-billing, and endless updates that prevent work being done (like Microsoft's products).
Bear in mind all his old files will have to be edited.
I realize this is likely to open a can of worms so please be objective to the requirements.
PeterB
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Peter,
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I am not a Mathcad user, so the following may not be of value. But then again, it may. One of the places where old software lives is "The Internet Archive". Here is a link to Mathcad 6 professional. It looks like it originally came on 8 floppy disks.
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https://archive.org/details/software?tab=collection&query=mathcad
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Vladan
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-------- Original message -------- From: n4buq <n4buq@...> Date: 8/27/24 18:16 (GMT+02:00) To: HP-Agilent-Keysight-equipment <HP-Agilent-Keysight-equipment@groups.io> Subject: Re: [HP-Agilent-Keysight-equipment] OT MathCad 7 Professional
Wow.? 82 years old, still competent? with software skills, and can write a very cogent and easy to follow message.? I'm impressed.? I hope that in 11 more years, I'm still here and can do as well.
Barry - N4BUQ Asking for a friend, his words:
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About 30 years ago I started using MathCAD for most of my calculations.
It used standard algebraic display of equations - which after Fortran
seemed so easy ....
I eventually got MathCAD 7 for use with my consulting work? - Was great !
Many years later, I bought MathCAD 13 - and found - to my dismay - that
they (Mathsoft) had not made it backward compatible !
All my old files needed to be seriously modified!? ---- So I stayed with
Version 7 .
My MathCAD 7 was the "standard" version - not the "Professional" version
- although both used the same manual !
Some functions were not available in my standard version - in
particular, "DO" loops !
I managed for years without them --- but then, about 3 years ago, my
requirement for large iterative calculations got to be basically
impossible using my "work-arounds".
I am 82 years old - and not keen to learn a whole new language --- so I
wondered if I could buy an old "used" version of? Mathcad 7
"professional"? ? Is such a thing done?
I would hope to put it on my Windows 10 system computer - just the way I
did with my old, standard, MathCAD 7 version.
??With my old standard version, I simply transferred the old file into
the new computer, using the same file file structure, onto the C drive
of the new machine - and it worked !
No fancy installation with codes and passwords required - I was amazed !
If anyone can help me to acquire? the "Professional" version, I`m happy
to pay for the? file and the service. Ron.
?
Failing that can anyone suggest a modern software package with an easy learning curve to replace the MathCad 7 Professional?
Preferably something without being locked into passwords, auto-billing, and endless updates that prevent work being done (like Microsoft's products).
Bear in mind all his old files will have to be edited.
I realize this is likely to open a can of worms so please be objective to the requirements.
PeterB
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On Tue, Aug 27, 2024 at 07:58 AM, peter bunge wrote:
Some functions were not available in my standard version - in
particular, "DO" loops !
I know Fortran has do loops. (And many other coding languages do too.)
If you friend is 'after' do loops... I'm pretty sure that Mathcad Professional 7.0 does not have 'do loops' (just for and while loops)
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Mathcad, Matlab, Octave et. al., are based on computations with matrices, and vectors... not only... but that's appears to be the original 'design' philosophy.
Many operations on those mathematical objects translate 'naturally' to 'for loops', like summation, and matrix multiplication.
In the days of limited CPU 'power' on PCs, when Mathcad, and Matlab, first came about, for loops were faster... and that mattered for matrix computations on large dimensional matrices/
I don't think any of these so called 'numerical computing environments' support 'do loop' loops... even in the latest versions.
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Hi, Peter (and others),
??? Another good source for 'Abandonware' is vetusware.com. In fact, I found a downloadable for MathCAD 7 pro.
??? I hope that helps.
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On 27-Aug-24 07:58, peter bunge wrote: Asking for a friend, his words:
About 30 years ago I started using MathCAD for most of my calculations.
It used standard algebraic display of equations - which after Fortran
seemed so easy ....
I eventually got MathCAD 7 for use with my consulting work? - Was great !
Many years later, I bought MathCAD 13 - and found - to my dismay - that
they (Mathsoft) had not made it backward compatible !
All my old files needed to be seriously modified!? ---- So I stayed with
Version 7 .
My MathCAD 7 was the "standard" version - not the "Professional" version
- although both used the same manual !
Some functions were not available in my standard version - in
particular, "DO" loops !
I managed for years without them --- but then, about 3 years ago, my
requirement for large iterative calculations got to be basically
impossible using my "work-arounds".
I am 82 years old - and not keen to learn a whole new language --- so I
wondered if I could buy an old "used" version of? Mathcad 7
"professional" ? Is such a thing done?
I would hope to put it on my Windows 10 system computer - just the way I
did with my old, standard, MathCAD 7 version.
??With my old standard version, I simply transferred the old file into
the new computer, using the same file file structure, onto the C drive
of the new machine - and it worked !
No fancy installation with codes and passwords required - I was amazed !
If anyone can help me to acquire? the "Professional" version, I`m happy
to pay for the? file and the service. Ron.
Failing that can anyone suggest a modern software package with an easy learning curve to replace the MathCad 7 Professional?
Preferably something without being locked into passwords, auto-billing, and endless updates that prevent work being done (like Microsoft's products).
Bear in mind all his old files will have to be edited.
I realize this is likely to open a can of worms so please be objective to the requirements.
PeterB
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Bruce Lane, ARS KC7GR,
kyrrin@...
"Quando Omni Flunkus Moritati" (Red Green)
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Maybe it's the programming and writing which keep his mind sharp.
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On 8/27/2024 11:16 AM, n4buq via groups.io wrote: Wow.? 82 years old, still competent? with software skills, and can write a very cogent and easy to follow message.? I'm impressed.? I hope that in 11 more years, I'm still here and can do as well.
Barry - N4BUQ
Asking for a friend, his words:
About 30 years ago I started using MathCAD for most of my calculations.
It used standard algebraic display of equations - which after Fortran
seemed so easy ....
I eventually got MathCAD 7 for use with my consulting work? - Was great !
Many years later, I bought MathCAD 13 - and found - to my dismay - that
they (Mathsoft) had not made it backward compatible !
All my old files needed to be seriously modified!? ---- So I stayed with
Version 7 .
My MathCAD 7 was the "standard" version - not the "Professional" version
- although both used the same manual !
Some functions were not available in my standard version - in
particular, "DO" loops !
I managed for years without them --- but then, about 3 years ago, my
requirement for large iterative calculations got to be basically
impossible using my "work-arounds".
I am 82 years old - and not keen to learn a whole new language --- so I
wondered if I could buy an old "used" version of? Mathcad 7
"professional" ? Is such a thing done?
I would hope to put it on my Windows 10 system computer - just the way I
did with my old, standard, MathCAD 7 version.
??With my old standard version, I simply transferred the old file into
the new computer, using the same file file structure, onto the C drive
of the new machine - and it worked !
No fancy installation with codes and passwords required - I was amazed !
If anyone can help me to acquire? the "Professional" version, I`m happy
to pay for the? file and the service. Ron.
Failing that can anyone suggest a modern software package with an easy
learning curve to replace the MathCad 7 Professional?
Preferably something without being locked into passwords, auto-billing,
and endless updates that prevent work being done (like Microsoft's products).
Bear in mind all his old files will have to be edited.
I realize this is likely to open a can of worms so please be objective to
the requirements.
PeterB
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Could be; my dad is 82 for a few more weeks.? ?He's still sharp and active.? Mom's 84 and suffering from Alzheimer's, unfortunately.? ?So far it seems to just be a loss of short-term memory.? Glad to hear someone else is doing well.? May we all keep our minds sharp.? ? ? Jim Ford, Laguna Hills, California, USA?
On Tue, Aug 27, 2024 at 2:52 PM, Peter Gottlieb <hpnpilot@...> wrote: Maybe it's the programming and writing which keep his mind sharp.
On 8/27/2024 11:16 AM, n4buq via groups.io wrote:
> Wow.? 82 years old, still competent? with software skills, and can write a
> very cogent and easy to follow message.? I'm impressed.? I hope that in 11
> more years, I'm still here and can do as well.
>
> Barry - N4BUQ
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>? ? Asking for a friend, his words:
>? ? About 30 years ago I started using MathCAD for most of my calculations.
>
>? ? It used standard algebraic display of equations - which after Fortran
>? ? seemed so easy ....
>
>? ? I eventually got MathCAD 7 for use with my consulting work? - Was great !
>
>? ? Many years later, I bought MathCAD 13 - and found - to my dismay - that
>? ? they (Mathsoft) had not made it backward compatible !
>
>? ? All my old files needed to be seriously modified!? ---- So I stayed with
>? ? Version 7 .
>
>? ? My MathCAD 7 was the "standard" version - not the "Professional" version
>? ? - although both used the same manual !
>
>? ? Some functions were not available in my standard version - in
>? ? particular, "DO" loops !
>
>? ? I managed for years without them --- but then, about 3 years ago, my
>? ? requirement for large iterative calculations got to be basically
>? ? impossible using my "work-arounds".
>
>? ? I am 82 years old - and not keen to learn a whole new language --- so I
>? ? wondered if I could buy an old "used" version of? Mathcad 7
>? ? "professional" ? Is such a thing done?
>
>? ? I would hope to put it on my Windows 10 system computer - just the way I
>? ? did with my old, standard, MathCAD 7 version.
>
>? ? ??With my old standard version, I simply transferred the old file into
>? ? the new computer, using the same file file structure, onto the C drive
>? ? of the new machine - and it worked !
>
>? ? No fancy installation with codes and passwords required - I was amazed !
>
>? ? If anyone can help me to acquire? the "Professional" version, I`m happy
>? ? to pay for the? file and the service. Ron.
>? ? Failing that can anyone suggest a modern software package with an easy
>? ? learning curve to replace the MathCad 7 Professional?
>? ? Preferably something without being locked into passwords, auto-billing,
>? ? and endless updates that prevent work being done (like Microsoft's products).
>? ? Bear in mind all his old files will have to be edited.
>? ? I realize this is likely to open a can of worms so please be objective to
>? ? the requirements.
>? ? PeterB
>
>
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On Tue, Aug 27, 2024 at 09:12 AM, Bruce Lane wrote:
Another good source for 'Abandonware' is vetusware.com. In fact, I found a downloadable for MathCAD 7 pro.
I'm pretty sure Mathcad 7.0 Professional... although it's old... is still under copyright protection.
Just the same, that sight forces you to 'register'... and login... before you can even verify, they actually have the goods.
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Okay... if you know what you are doing, and want to take the risk... but... IMO ... posting the kind of link is just going to provide a bigger list of email address for sale on the dark web.
I admit... I might be over thinking it... but, maybe not.
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On Tue, Aug 27, 2024 at 07:58 AM, peter bunge wrote:
Failing that can anyone suggest a modern software package with an easy learning curve to replace the MathCad 7 Professional?
You could try Octave, or Scilab.
Both are free, and very comprehensive Matlab clones.
They are 'extensible' and you can link in compiled Fortran libraries.
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The thing that they are not is an interactive? environment, document centered, engineering focused, WYSIWYG s with drag and drop, and? easy to use plotting tools.
With Octave and Scilab, and other 'numeric analysis' packages, you need to do some 'simple' programming.
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Symbolic Algebra packages are closer to Mathcad.
Those allow more interactive calculations and plotting.
Maxima is a free, and comprehensive one... a sort of Maple clone.
IMO the free symbolic algebra programs a not as 'comprehensive' as the commercial ones, like Maple, et. al.
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The commercial symbolic algebra programs, like the commercial numerical analysis programs, are pricey... and worse then Microsoft... for all the irritations.
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The commercial symbolic algebra programs, like the commercial numerical analysis programs, are pricey... and worse then Microsoft... for all the irritations.
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A home use license for Matlab is 119 euros (should be much less than $150). And as far as I know, there are no limitations (downgrades) compared to the "professional" license, except of course that you are limited to do only non-commercial use.
You may want to add a few options (toolboxes), like symbolic math, DSP, etc, which are around 35-45 euros each.
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The license is "perpetual" but you won't get the yearly new release, unless you pay again every year.
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Thanks everyone. I have a vested interest as well. I have helped Ron with measurements using an HP4192A and we used his MathCad to plot the results.
This is his website
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Wow, that's a really cool niche business Ron has there!? ? ? Jim Ford, Laguna Hills, California, USA?
On Wed, Aug 28, 2024 at 6:42 AM, peter bunge <bunge.pjp@...> wrote: Thanks everyone. I have a vested interest as well. I have helped Ron with measurements using an HP4192A and we used his MathCad to plot the results.
This is his website
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On Wed, Aug 28, 2024 at 06:29 AM, Ke-Fong Lin wrote:
A home use license for Matlab is 119 euros (should be much less than $150
Well, it turns out, according to the Mathworks Website... it's at least 150.00 USD here. (There's taxes too.)
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I don't think Mathworks is trying to 'make' money off their "Home' or "Student' editions.
And they include a lot of 'add ons'
Its the 'for commercial, or for profit' Matlab licenses which are expensive... and the licensing which is a pain.
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So I would say... if 'fiddling' with numerical methods, linear algebra, and matrix computations, are your thing... I mean you wake up in the morning... and can't wait to get those complex eigenvalues, computed from that very large set, of very large matrices... a few seconds earlier... 150.00 + tax, might be worth it to you... and it might also be worth it to put up with the Mathworks licensing irritations too. Matlab might be faster, and more numerically stable.
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Otherwise... I reckon... Octave is free, with no licensing restrictions.? And 'free' seems even to be less than 119 euros.
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I would expect Mathworks to be aggressive in their response to people using the Home, or Student, Matlab products in 'for profit' ventures.
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Bruce Lane