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70420A based phase noise test system
Hello,
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I have started on a project to put together a microwave phase noise test system based on a 70420a, which Hewlett-Agi-sight called the E5500 series.? I am curious if any other hobbyists have assembled one of these systems before and have any advice.? My interest is as much in teaching myself how phase noise measurement works as it is to yield a working system, and I expect this to be a long term project.? My previous experience with phase noise measurement is limited to software running on a spectrum/signal analyzer.
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So far I have collected a 70420A opt 001 test set and a 70422a downconverter, plus most of the basics for a 70000 system (70004a and 70001a; parts for diy hp-msib cables are in the mail).? The last major part that I have to decide which way to go, then find, is the DSA or Digitizer.? I plan to use my e4435b as the ref source, at least until i get through the learning curve.? The somewhat questionable N9020a discussed some weeks ago on a different thread will be the spectrum analyzer.
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The biggest question I have concerns the software.? My initial impression is that it will not be possible to run the original application, and that i will be signing up to reimplement a limited version of it, for just the tests that i want to perform.? Has someone already done this?
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Otherwise, i'm just curious to hear from anyone else who has experience with these systems and may have any advice as i figure out how to put this system together.
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Thanks in advance,
-Jason
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¿ªÔÆÌåÓýI put together a working E5504 system(26.5GHz variant) and I¡¯d be?happy to take you though all of the hardware and software choices. There's "supported" hardware on their list that doesn't actually work.
Send me a PM with your phone number and I'd be happy to call on my dime.
Should anyone else be?interested, I'd be happy to? do the same or we could reply all in a small group format.
73,
Ed
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Sent: Wednesday, July 3, 2024 7:54:24 PM To: [email protected] <[email protected]> Subject: [HP-Agilent-Keysight-equipment] 70420A based phase noise test system ?
Hello,
?
I have started on a project to put together a microwave phase noise test system based on a 70420a, which Hewlett-Agi-sight called the E5500 series.? I am curious if any other hobbyists have assembled one of these systems before and have any advice.? My
interest is as much in teaching myself how phase noise measurement works as it is to yield a working system, and I expect this to be a long term project.? My previous experience with phase noise measurement is limited to software running on a spectrum/signal
analyzer.
?
So far I have collected a 70420A opt 001 test set and a 70422a downconverter, plus most of the basics for a 70000 system (70004a and 70001a; parts for diy hp-msib cables are in the mail).? The last major part that I have to decide which way to go, then
find, is the DSA or Digitizer.? I plan to use my e4435b as the ref source, at least until i get through the learning curve.? The somewhat questionable N9020a discussed some weeks ago on a different thread will be the spectrum analyzer.
?
The biggest question I have concerns the software.? My initial impression is that it will not be possible to run the original application, and that i will be signing up to reimplement a limited version of it, for just the tests that i want to perform.?
Has someone already done this?
?
Otherwise, i'm just curious to hear from anyone else who has experience with these systems and may have any advice as i figure out how to put this system together.
?
Thanks in advance,
-Jason
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I think it's safe to say that no one will mind such discussion here on the list. I myself would certainly like to follow along.
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-Dave On 7/3/24 22:50, Ed Marciniak wrote:
I put together a working E5504 system(26.5GHz variant) and I¡¯d be happy to take you though all of the hardware and software choices. There's "supported" hardware on their list that doesn't actually work. --
Dave McGuire, AK4HZ New Kensington, PA |
Not at all. But if they do, we can move it to the HP 70000 list. ;)
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Bob On Jul 4, 2024, at 10:09, Dave McGuire via groups.io <mcguire@...> wrote: |
The highlights of my journey were as follows: If you¡¯re considering a 70000 MMS SA for wideband phase noise measurement, a 70900A LO won¡¯t work, or at least not with whatever software version mine had. Mine with a 70900B worked fine. I¡¯d be very interested if anyone has an original install CD or a CD image for E5500 systems. Even if you have a 3561 or 3582 you might want to consider the impact of 100KHz or 25KHz vs 25.6MHz of an 89410A sample rate and the impact on measurement time for close in phase noise. Since the DUT and references all have their own phase noise, beyond a certain measurement time, the time alone may limit noise floor.
4th generation PXIe used a 4 slot wide embedded windows controller in a mainframe holding a digitizer with FPGA Hardware and phase detector(s) cards. Based on several inquiries over more than a year with Keysight, I¡¯ve run into a hard wall with respect to licensing for the W10+ software. a few final thoughts: If a ¡°system¡± is supplied with a computer, consider utility of what said computer will be whether that computer is serviceable or not.
In principle, the 32 bit software should be able to run on 64 bit system, but the installers are broken in ways that prevent doing that directly. I haven¡¯t had time lately, due to work, to revisit that and seeing if I can build a new installer with 64 bit support or a mix of 32 and 64 bit dependencies to install on 64 bit only. |