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Source of measurements HP54542C

 

My 54542-97049 manual does not properly cover my 54542C DSO.
For making measurement, for example, I press the blue button then turn the Entry knob to the source.
However they don't say what that means. The selections are C, F, and M.
Selecting C then entering 1 works for Channel 1 so I guess that C stands for Channel.
Selecting F or M gives an error that the "Memory" is not turned on. Which memory?
How do I turn on the Memory and what are these other setting used for?
M probably means Memory? How do I use it?
What does F stand for and how do I use it.
Recall>Clr gives an error. Recall 0 goes back to previous.
Blue>Clr Meas clears all the measurements but can they be cleared individually?
Is there a better user manual?
 

On Sun, Apr 14, 2024 at 05:34 AM, peter bunge wrote:
54542C DSO.
Good morning Peter from Australia.? While I don't have this CRO (I have a HP 54600) I suggest look at?

for the resource information.?Specifically the Quick Start Guides. These are sometimes called QIG Quick install guides on differing products. Written to get you familiar with some basic measurements as a starting/learning point.?
Working through the QSG and once familiar with basic controls, terminology and functions referring to the user manual will make more sense. Sometimes there is an overall series manual that will be more informative in general terms.
Of course youtube will contain at least someone showing basic use, unpacking and use, repair and use etc. These can be useful in some way.?
Good luck.?
maxwelloau
 

I have several manuals including a paper service manual.
I went through the entire manual looking for the information.
Unfortunately the manuals are adapted from the 54540A manual and the two are slightly different.
I need to hear from someone who has figured out what these other selections mean.?
Some menu items do not exist and some instructions do not work.
If I had not noticed?the C, F, and M? and tried them then none of the Blue key options would work.
The manual does not explain what to select. It just says select the Source and until I tried C nothing worked.
Peter

On Sat, Apr 13, 2024 at 10:29?PM maxwelloau <maxwelloau@...> wrote:
On Sun, Apr 14, 2024 at 05:34 AM, peter bunge wrote:
54542C DSO.
Good morning Peter from Australia.? While I don't have this CRO (I have a HP 54600) I suggest look at?

for the resource information.?Specifically the Quick Start Guides. These are sometimes called QIG Quick install guides on differing products. Written to get you familiar with some basic measurements as a starting/learning point.?
Working through the QSG and once familiar with basic controls, terminology and functions referring to the user manual will make more sense. Sometimes there is an overall series manual that will be more informative in general terms.
Of course youtube will contain at least someone showing basic use, unpacking and use, repair and use etc. These can be useful in some way.?
Good luck.?
maxwelloau
 

I haven't used a 5454x scope in a long time, but the measurement tool is quite easy to use if you just want to do simple stuff.

To measure Vac rms on channel 1 simply press the blue (shift) button and this converts the keypad to the functions shown in blue text. Then press the Vac rms button near the bottom right corner of the keypad and then rotate the selection control as required to see C# (for channel) and then press 1 for channel 1 and it should then tell you the Vac rms of the waveform on channel 1 assuming channel 1 is turned on and active.

The user interface of this scope is generally quite awful in my opinion, but the measurement functions are quite easy (and fast!) to access.

I think that is how I used to use it. I generally hated using these scopes because the user interface was such a disorganised mess.
 

Thanks JMR.
I have been using most of the shift measurements like freq and risetime, all on any channel as the source.
F seems to mean Function and M is for Memory. I don't know how to use them.
Save saves the setup state but I don't think it saves the waveform, so how do I save it to memory?

Screenshot 2024-04-14 121235.png

But this, below, just adds confusion. I was thinking M could mean Measure or Markers. Apparently not.
Screenshot 2024-04-14 120632.png


On Sun, Apr 14, 2024 at 11:51?AM jmr via <jmrhzu=[email protected]> wrote:
I haven't used a 5454x scope in a long time, but the measurement tool is quite easy to use if you just want to do simple stuff.

To measure Vac rms on channel 1 simply press the blue (shift) button and this converts the keypad to the functions shown in blue text. Then press the Vac rms button near the bottom right corner of the keypad and then rotate the selection control as required to see C# (for channel) and then press 1 for channel 1 and it should then tell you the Vac rms of the waveform on channel 1 assuming channel 1 is turned on and active.

The user interface of this scope is generally quite awful in my opinion, but the measurement functions are quite easy (and fast!) to access.

I think that is how I used to use it. I generally hated using these scopes because the user interface was such a disorganised mess.

 

I went right through the manual again.
The "Wform Save" button saves the waveform to one of 4 novolatile?memories.
I cannot do a measurement on them, in fact the manual says you can't.
So this is not the Memory used as a source.
How do I delete a saved waveform? I can only overwrite what I saved.
I can perform various Functions but not using the Blue shift button and F as the source.
The exercises are interesting but do not cover more than using the Channel.?
F and M are still a mystery to me.

On Sun, Apr 14, 2024 at 1:03?PM peter bunge via <bunge.pjp=[email protected]> wrote:
Thanks JMR.
I have been using most of the shift measurements like freq and risetime, all on any channel as the source.
F seems to mean Function and M is for Memory. I don't know how to use them.
Save saves the setup state but I don't think it saves the waveform, so how do I save it to memory?

Screenshot 2024-04-14 121235.png

But this, below, just adds confusion. I was thinking M could mean Measure or Markers. Apparently not.
Screenshot 2024-04-14 120632.png


On Sun, Apr 14, 2024 at 11:51?AM jmr via <jmrhzu=[email protected]> wrote:
I haven't used a 5454x scope in a long time, but the measurement tool is quite easy to use if you just want to do simple stuff.

To measure Vac rms on channel 1 simply press the blue (shift) button and this converts the keypad to the functions shown in blue text. Then press the Vac rms button near the bottom right corner of the keypad and then rotate the selection control as required to see C# (for channel) and then press 1 for channel 1 and it should then tell you the Vac rms of the waveform on channel 1 assuming channel 1 is turned on and active.

The user interface of this scope is generally quite awful in my opinion, but the measurement functions are quite easy (and fast!) to access.

I think that is how I used to use it. I generally hated using these scopes because the user interface was such a disorganised mess.

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