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Re: Replacement battery for 8566A

 

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Batteries plus may be able to weld you up a nicad pack. ?I would not use lithium and remember if you just use alkaline cells to put a diode in series with the batteries to prevent the charging system from damaging the battery

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On Mar 21, 2019, at 23:19, Adrian <Adrian@...> wrote:

It¡¯s a standard HP calculator nicd pack as used in the HP45 type calculators. There are people selling rebuilt ones in the USA on Ebay. Not as easy in the UK!

Adrian
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On 22 Mar 2019, at 05:12, Don Bitters via Groups.Io <donbitters@...> wrote:

The original battery pack was a 3 cell battery Ni-Cad @ 4.5v. ?Years ago I could purchase similar sized 1.5v Ni-Cad cells and rebuild the battery pack. ?At this point in time I would simply find a battery pack 5V and under, and wire it in to the to the same placement as the original. ?I have seen multiple 3 cell wireless phone battery packs that would fill the bill as a replacement. The original battery pack and holder is screwed down to the front sub-panel and attached to the RF motherboard via 2 pins. ?If you replace the jacks on the replacement with the ones from the the original case, then zip tie the new battery pack into the old position, and you are done. ?Do check the polarity.
Don Bitters








Re: Signal generators

 

On Thu, Mar 21, 2019 at 05:09 PM, Reginald Beardsley wrote:
You can get the same performance for 10% or less of the price. That's pretty cool in my book.

That is awesome definitely.? Especially, even more exiting is if a decent board can be made in an even more cost effective module even without all the features like has been done with the older AD chips that can be bought really cost effectively on eBay.?

Reminds me of a great presentation of an application of the ADF4355.? ?

I'll have to look into what the ADF4371 upgrade modularized system looks like sometime... with mixing and harmonics filtering... seems like wow!? Way cool!?


Re: Replacement battery for 8566A

 

It¡¯s a standard HP calculator nicd pack as used in the HP45 type calculators. There are people selling rebuilt ones in the USA on Ebay. Not as easy in the UK!

Adrian
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On 22 Mar 2019, at 05:12, Don Bitters via Groups.Io <donbitters@...> wrote:

The original battery pack was a 3 cell battery Ni-Cad @ 4.5v. Years ago I could purchase similar sized 1.5v Ni-Cad cells and rebuild the battery pack. At this point in time I would simply find a battery pack 5V and under, and wire it in to the to the same placement as the original. I have seen multiple 3 cell wireless phone battery packs that would fill the bill as a replacement. The original battery pack and holder is screwed down to the front sub-panel and attached to the RF motherboard via 2 pins. If you replace the jacks on the replacement with the ones from the the original case, then zip tie the new battery pack into the old position, and you are done. Do check the polarity.
Don Bitters



Re: Replacement battery for 8566A

 

The original battery pack was a 3 cell battery Ni-Cad @ 4.5v. Years ago I could purchase similar sized 1.5v Ni-Cad cells and rebuild the battery pack. At this point in time I would simply find a battery pack 5V and under, and wire it in to the to the same placement as the original. I have seen multiple 3 cell wireless phone battery packs that would fill the bill as a replacement. The original battery pack and holder is screwed down to the front sub-panel and attached to the RF motherboard via 2 pins. If you replace the jacks on the replacement with the ones from the the original case, then zip tie the new battery pack into the old position, and you are done. Do check the polarity.
Don Bitters


Re: Replacement battery for 8566A

 

The battery is just three AA-sized NiCd cells in series, so you could replace it with anything that you can cobble together from similar cells.? Ed


Replacement battery for 8566A

 

Hi all,

I have an 8566A system that is in need of a new battery so it doesn't lose it's mind all the time. I understand that, unlike the B models, the battery is behind the front panel. Where can I find a replacement that will work?

Thanks!

Sean


YTO Needed

 

Hello group,

I am in need of a HP 5086-7592 Yig oscillator.? I have found many on Ebay but figure with the nature of these things I could end up with a part no better than what I have.? Any advice would be greatly appreciated.

Thank you,

Jon


New phase lock board for 8753ES - qualitative first test

 

Today I received a new A11 phase lock board for my misbehaving 8753ES (thank you Pete M!).

A lot of measurements will follow as I have lab time, but I thought I'd run a simple "plug it in and hold ears" test.

Test 48 now passes.? The 1 V/GHz waveform test on the analog bus has the same shape as before, but the starting voltage is below 3.5 volts instead of 3.6 as in the original board.

I still have some intermittent lock issues below 10 MHz but this is major progress.

I have a lot to do, including Root Cause Analysis of the failure of the original phase lock board.? Perhaps the precision 6.2 volt reference zener has gone out of tolerance, it would only need to be a few percent off.? I will see.

What this means is that when the troubleshooting guide says the waveform should be as they show, it means literally in this case.? A waveform starting at 3.6 instead of 3.5 volts may cause failure.

Much more to follow!

Peter


Re: HP8753ES versus HP8753D

Steve
 

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Thank you pianovt. I had seen the comparison on that web page at some point and lost track of it. Just what I was looking for!

Steve, K8JQ

On 3/21/2019 7:01 PM, pianovt via Groups.Io wrote:



Signal generators

 

FWIW I bought an 8648C w/ opt 1E5 for under $1k delivered. Very nice clean instrument which should meet most or all of my needs.

I also received an email from AD today which might be relevant. They have a new part in volume production, the ADF4371. I'm sure there is a significant amount of programming required to turn this into a bench instrument. But the eval board set is under $1K and the specs are *very* impressive. It's clearly worth a close look if you want to go above 4 GHz.

I have been stunned at what you can buy now in the form of an OEM eval board. If you require a broad range of capability, a commercial instrument is generally a better choice. But if you need to do a narrow range of tasks and are competent writing software You can get the same performance for 10% or less of the price. That's pretty cool in my book.

Reg


Re: Looking to connect with other 4396B owners

 

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Hello,

well, I am now semi-retired - maybe, if I find another opportunity when some surplus store closes, I will snipe it.


Until then, I can darkly remember that the manual for the 41951A contains a very blurry shot. Maybe this can help you...in principle, I am all game to help out.


Tam

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On 21. 3. 2019 23:34, markhaun2000 wrote:

2) nope. But I was told that it uses some kind of transformer, so the block diagram in the service manual is deceptive. I furthermore heard RUMORS of the one for the 4195A working on the 4953A if you slinked around with the cables. Sadly, this is all I know - so far, all managed to elude me.
Yes, I believe the general shape of the circuit is known or can be deduced from available literature.? The best summary I have found is here:
? ?(about the 4291A RF impedance analyzer---similar vintage from the same design group in Japan)
But it would be nice to see the innards.? The difficult aspects will be those which cannot be represented in a schematic diagram.


Re: NVRAM 28-Pin Encapsulated Package DS1230Y and 6811B

 

The DS1230Y utilizes an encapsulated internal battery.? The battery is disconnected until external power is applied breaking the "freshness seal" and connecting the battery to the RAM.? So with a new device you are dealing with battery shelf life until it is powered up.? And I assume that nearly all if not all device programmers will supply power to break the seal and allow you to program it and remove it from the socket without losing the newly programmed contents.

Good reading:







Some of the above data reflect older dates.

I see that Digi-Key still handles large quantities of the DS1230Y:

As well as does Mouser:

And others out there.

Greg


Re: HP8753ES versus HP8753D

 

https://www.kirkbymicrowave.co.uk/Everything-you-wanted-to-know-about-the-HP-8753-VNA/


Re: Looking to connect with other 4396B owners

 

2) nope. But I was told that it uses some kind of transformer, so the block diagram in the service manual is deceptive. I furthermore heard RUMORS of the one for the 4195A working on the 4953A if you slinked around with the cables. Sadly, this is all I know - so far, all managed to elude me.
Yes, I believe the general shape of the circuit is known or can be deduced from available literature.? The best summary I have found is here:
? ?(about the 4291A RF impedance analyzer---similar vintage from the same design group in Japan)
But it would be nice to see the innards.? The difficult aspects will be those which cannot be represented in a schematic diagram.


Re: Looking to connect with other 4396B owners

 

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Hello,

had a lab accident yesterday, so still a bit stressed.


ad 2) nope. But I was told that it uses some kind of transformer, so the block diagram in the service manual is deceptive. I furthermore heard RUMORS of the one for the 4195A working on the 4953A if you slinked around with the cables. Sadly, this is all I know - so far, all managed to elude me.


ad 3) NI is the way to go. Buy a PCIe card used, cry about the price (around 200EUR), install Visual Studio and smile.

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On 21. 3. 2019 20:48, markhaun2000 wrote:

This is my first post to the group, so hello everyone.? You've been a great resource when I've needed to search for information on prospective or actual TE purchases; thanks :)

I recently acquired an Agilent 4396B spectrum/network/impedance analyzer with all of the options (1D5 oven, 1D6 time-gated measurements, 010 impedance measurement) in non-working condition.? The main problem was some stressed SMD electrolytics on the A50 DC-DC converter board, as discussed in service bulletin 11.? There is also something odd in the source assembly, but it seems to be after the ALC power detector; current theory is the semi-rigid coax link from the output attenuator to the bulkhead N connector, or perhaps the N connector itself.? I'm documenting the repair here:



Looking ahead I have a few questions (and will undoubtedly have more as I dig into the analyzer's capabilities):

1) The calibration constants are stored in an EEPROM and updated over GPIB, but as far as I can tell the actual commands and format of the data are not documented.? The only approved way to update the calibration is to use an HP-UX program called "ADJ4396B" running on an ancient HP controller.? Is this likely to be a problem in the long run?? Should I consider sending the instrument out for calibration (assuming the cal lab even has access to this magic software)?? This is for home / hobby use only, so it likely doesn't matter, but I wonder if a window of opportunity is closing as these units get older and the last support is dropped.

2) Has anyone actually laid eyes (or camera) on the insides of the 43961A impedance test fixture?? I have no need for it except curiosity, but it would be fun to leverage the 010 software in my unit.? It could probably be a worthwhile learning experience to build something equivalent at lower frequencies.

3) Not a 4396B question per se, but what is the currently recommended GPIB interface solution in 2019?? I would prefer not to use any NI stuff or the VISA library, but if that's the price for being able to run useful third-party software (like KE5FX's phase-noise tool), I will.? Although in that case I would still prefer options which *can* work with the VISA library but can also work without them.? Cross-platform compatibility with Linux and Windows would be a plus.

Regards,
Mark


Re: Understanding the 8753ES frequency loop

 

All good info.

In this case the output frequency is consistent with the applied current so that is what I¡¯m going to investigate first as it is higher than it should be.


Peter

On Mar 21, 2019, at 5:48 PM, Dave_G0WBX via Groups.Io <g8kbvdave@...> wrote:

Be careful "bench testing" Yig Tuned Ocillators" (YIG = Yttrium Iron
Garnet by the way *.)

Older designs that use + and - polarity supplies can be destroyed if you
get the power up sequence wrong, the little FET that "is" the oscillator
dies. Similar can happen (or at best some damage that makes them
produce less signal power) if they are run without a RF load of some sort.

*

Plus Wikipedia has some good references too.

From past experience working professionally servicing Spectrum Analysers
to component level that used YIG Oscillators, check the power supply
rails that feed the coil drivers, also any degaussing scheme, if such is
fitted.

A sudden and permanent step change in the current/frequency
relationship, and also a change in the apparent dynamics of the coil
driver (stability issues) can be an indication of shorted turns within
the tuning coil. If, there are any documented figures for the tuning
coil inductance, that can of course be checked with a LCR bridge, at low
power.

Take care..

Dave B (G0WBX)

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Re: Looking to connect with other 4396B owners

 

At 2019-03-21 02:48 PM, markhaun2000 wrote:
3) Not a 4396B question per se, but what is the currently recommended GPIB interface solution in 2019?? I would prefer not to use any NI stuff or the VISA library, but if that's the price for being able to run useful third-party software (like KE5FX's phase-noise tool), I will.? Although in that case I would still prefer options which *can* work with the VISA library but can also work without them.? Cross-platform compatibility with Linux and Windows would be a plus.

I'll take that as "bait" for a semi--commercial plug for my KISS-488. It looks like a GPIB plug (actually it's contained inside the backshell) but has an Ethernet jack on the back end, providing a web server for your instrument. It can capture HPGL plots, BMPs, or any file format understood by both the instrument and your browser. Works with any web browser whether hosted on Windows, Linux, Apple, or your phone. And it also offers a Telnet interface that allows you to talk directly to the instrument's command interface. It's listed on eBay right now, but I can knock a little off the price if you buy it direct and I don't have to pay eBay fees. I designed it to meet my own need, and I'm selling copies at just a little over my out-of-pocket costs (doggone GPIB connectors are EXPENSIVE! as are PCBs when made in low volume). Contact me offline at SteveHx at HxEngineering dot com for more info without cluttering up the group's bandwidth.

Steve Hendrix


Re: Understanding the 8753ES frequency loop

 

Be careful "bench testing" Yig Tuned Ocillators" (YIG = Yttrium Iron
Garnet by the way *.)

Older designs that use + and - polarity supplies can be destroyed if you
get the power up sequence wrong, the little FET that "is" the oscillator
dies.? Similar can happen (or at best some damage that makes them
produce less signal power) if they are run without a RF load of some sort.

*

Plus Wikipedia has some good references too.

From past experience working professionally servicing Spectrum Analysers
to component level that used YIG Oscillators,? check the power supply
rails that feed the coil drivers, also any degaussing scheme, if such is
fitted.

A sudden and permanent step change in the current/frequency
relationship, and also a change in the apparent dynamics of the coil
driver (stability issues) can be an indication of shorted turns within
the tuning coil.? If, there are any documented figures for the tuning
coil inductance, that can of course be checked with a LCR bridge, at low
power.

Take care..

Dave B (G0WBX)

--
Created on and sent from a Unix like PC running and using free and open source software:


HP8753ES versus HP8753D

Steve
 

What are main differences between the HP8753D and the HP8753ES? I could maybe figure this out from old HP catalogs but if someone on the list knows I would appreciate your insight.

Thanks.

Steve, K8JQ


Re: Understanding the 8753ES frequency loop

 

On Thu, Mar 21, 2019 at 01:29 PM, Peter Gottlieb wrote:
Should the FM input be zero?
Yes, the numbers I gave for the main coil are strictly that - FM coil disconnected. Incidentally, the main coil has a resistance of approximately 44 Ohms at room temperature. That will give you a way to calculate the voltage across the coil for a static case.

Vladan