Re: Chips for 5315A/B counter: 1820-2131 and 1820-2312
I do have a xeltek 580u programmer, maybe. But i need to be 100% sure i don't make the magic smoke escape....
Maurice
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86603 attenuator blowing fuse
My 86003 2.6 GHz RF section is blowing the fuse in the main frame - I think it's the -21 volt supply. The unit contains a 86601-60142 attenuator which is to be used with the 86603-60065 driver board, which is present. This attenuator and driver board do not match the information in the manual. The attenuator in the manual switches diodes along with the attenuator to turn the relay off as soon as it switches. This unit does not have diodes, so I assume the driver board applies a short pulse to switch the relay, or perhaps drops the current after switching.?
Does anyone have information on this driver board?
Thanks,
Gary Appel
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Re: Chips for 5315A/B counter: 1820-2131 and 1820-2312
Joel,
I still have the chip, I will buy the Retroshield??for the MC6803, write a little bit of MC6801 assembly code to read the ROM, and make a dump that way...
His Tindie store is down till the end of the month...
Maurice
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Re: HP8595A firmware request
Angelo> My HP8595A spectrum analyser is stuck because of corrupted firmware on EPROM.? Could anybody please help?
Have you tried searching for the HP part numbers labeled on the EPROMs on the processor board?? There should be four socketed EPROMs (or possibly two if it's really old), and would have numbers like 5181-xxxx or 08590-xxxxx.
Steve> I have an 8595E if that helps. I'm reluctant to open it up as it's working fine. Is there a way to dump the EEPROMs via GPIB etc?
To save you some trouble, there are already EPROM images for the 859xE series available on ko4bb.com, but I don't know if they will work on a 8595A.
To answer your question, you can dump anything in the processor's address space with these GPIB commands:
? /g/HP-Agilent-Keysight-equipment/message/103548
The EPROM occupies an address range starting at 0x000000.? It's possible it shows up at other addresses too, but that's where the initial vector table resides so it at least has to be there.
-mark
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Re: Historical question¡ªHP frequency standards
Jeremy went through hp catalogs from 1943 to 1968 and provided this chart:
One of the questions he and I have at this point is not so much which versions of the hp 100 exist or when they were for sale, but what series numbers exist and how many of each were produced. Now and then on the 'net I've seen comments about hp production quantity -- by hp itself or by retired hp insiders. I'm not sure where that kind of information comes from, but it's interesting from a collectors point of view.
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On 3/1/2021 10:10 AM, Patrick Manning wrote:
Jeremy -
I just dug through my catalogs looking at the 100E.? It last appeared in the 1967 catalog, though from '65 on it appears that it had become kind of an also-ran, no longer rating a picture and being mentioned only briefly on the 106A/B 107 AR/BR page in a brief paragraph listing some quick specs and the price ($1100 in 1968).? I wouldn't be terribly surprised to find that 116- was its final engineering revision.
-Pat
On March 1, 2021 at 11:02 AM Jeremy Nichols <jn6wfo@...> wrote:
Patrick, thank you for that bit of data. My 100E is also a 116. I¡¯ve not yet found any 100Es with another serial prefix but it¡¯s early days yet.
On Mon, Mar 1, 2021 at 12:39 AM Patrick Manning <pbmanning@... <mailto:pbmanning@...>> wrote:
Jeremy, for what it's worth, I have a 100ER; its serial number
is?116-00508 so there were at least 408 of that version.
-Pat
On February 28, 2021 at 3:48 PM Jeremy Nichols <jn6wfo@...
<mailto:jn6wfo@...>> wrote:
Does anyone know how many of its ¡°first family¡± of frequency
standards HP made? That would be the HP-100A (starting in 1943)
through HP-100E (ending 1967). Just curious¡ªI have a 100E, made
in or after 1961.
Jeremy
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Re: [hp_agilent_equipment] GPIB-USB Controller
Thank you, Thomas.? I'm very sorry to learn that sad news.
Thanks for the offer to share code. Have you have a chance to look for your code?
Thanks for your help. Eric
On Thursday, October 29, 2020, 05:12:33 AM CDT, Thomas S. Knutsen <la3pna@...> wrote:
Jack passed away in september 2019.??
I have some EZ-GPIB code for 8568B, its so close it usually?works on?the 8566. I will share it?when I get home from work today.?
?Agilent 82357B can be used, but you have to use the VISA drivers.?
BR? Thomas.
If you're still out there, I'd like to take readings off my HP 8566B. If you'd be willing to share code, that would be wonderful. I've currently got an Agilent 82357B (USB).? Any idea if that works with EZGPIB? If not, I'll have to get a Prologix or National Intstruments model.
Thanks! Eric KA0YWN?
On Tuesday, May 28, 2013, 06:09:01 PM CDT, Jack Smith < jack.smith@...> wrote:
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I've written some EZGPIB code for the 8568B to set center frequency,
span, place a marker, read the marker and the like. Used the USB version
of Prologix controller.
It was part of an automated 2nd/3rd order intermodulation analysis
program, controlling power supply voltage, two 8657A signal generators
and the 8568B to see how intermodulation performance of a preamplifier
varied with supply voltage.
It's not difficult to control the 8568B with a Prologix adapter.
Jack K8ZOA
On 5/28/2013 5:37 PM, tyrsis1 wrote:
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> Has anyone experience using a GPIB-USB controller to interface a pc
> with an analyzer, such as an HP8566B?
>
> Here's the company blurb re: this controller:
>
> "Prologix GPIB-USB controller converts any computer with a USB port
> into a GPIB Controller or Device.
>
> In Controller mode, Prologix GPIB-USB controller can remotely control
> GPIB enabled instruments such as Oscilloscopes, Logic Analyzers, and
> Spectrum Analyzers.
>
> In Device mode, Prologix GPIB-USB controller converts the computer
> into a GPIB peripheral for downloading data and screen plots from the
> instrument front panel.
>
> In both modes, Prologix GPIB-USB controller interprets high level
> commands received from the host computer and performs the appropriate
> low-level GPIB protocol handshaking."
>
> I bought one for @160.00 and it should arrive by Friday's mail.
>
> I'm still working my way through the 8566B Operating and Programming
> Manual and becoming familiarized with this unit and do like the idea
> of a computer link to capture data.
>
> If anyone else has gone down this path, I'd sure appreciate a heads up.
>
> John C
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-- With Best regards, Thomas S. Knutsen.
?Please? avoid sending? me? Word? or? PowerPoint? attachments.
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Re: Historical question¡ªHP frequency standards
Jeremy -
I just dug through my catalogs looking at the 100E.? It last appeared in the 1967 catalog, though from '65 on it appears that it had become kind of an also-ran, no longer rating a picture and being mentioned only briefly on the 106A/B 107 AR/BR page in a brief paragraph listing some quick specs and the price ($1100 in 1968).? I wouldn't be terribly surprised to find that 116- was its final engineering revision.
-Pat
On March 1, 2021 at 11:02 AM Jeremy Nichols <jn6wfo@...> wrote:
Patrick, thank you for that bit of data. My 100E is also a 116. I¡¯ve not yet found any 100Es with another serial prefix but it¡¯s early days yet.?
On Mon, Mar 1, 2021 at 12:39 AM Patrick Manning < pbmanning@...> wrote:
Jeremy, for what it's worth, I have a 100ER; its serial number is?116-00508 so there were at least 408 of that version.
-Pat
On February 28, 2021 at 3:48 PM Jeremy Nichols <jn6wfo@...> wrote:
Does anyone know how many of its ¡°first family¡± of frequency standards HP made? That would be the HP-100A (starting in 1943) through HP-100E (ending 1967). Just curious¡ªI have a 100E, made in or after 1961.?
Jeremy?
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Re: HP 8901B/8902A History
Mike, this would have been in the mid-1970s and yes, it was a lot of work, a lot of money to do a run for just a few chips. That¡¯s why it stuck in my memory.?
On Mon, Mar 1, 2021 at 7:16 AM Mike Vande Voort < mike@...> wrote: was this before FPGAs and the like ? ? a lot of steps to ¡°cook¡± up a batch of IC¡¯s I would expect, and not all of them survive the birthing process ? From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Jeremy Nichols
Sent: Sunday, February 28, 2021 6:17 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [HP-Agilent-Keysight-equipment] HP 8901B/8902A History ? ¡°About 100¡± is what my memory says.? ? On Sun, Feb 28, 2021 at 1:58 PM Mike Vande Voort <mike@...> wrote: Any idea what quantity that run was ? ? On Sun, Feb 28, 2021, 2:31 PM Jeremy Nichols <jn6wfo@...> wrote: Making the decision on a ¡°lifetime buy¡± can be treacherous! I know of one specific case because I was there (at HP Santa Clara) when it happened, sometime in the 1970s. Someone determined that a particular HP-made IC was used only in obsolete equipment and, after making a lifetime buy of that chip, obsoleted the design. We, in HP¡¯s photomask group, dutifully obsoleted the tooling for that mask set.? Sometime later, a product surfaced, still in ¡°support life,¡± and using that IC. Inventory was soon reduced to zero with customers demanding parts to fix their instruments. Fortunately, we had not destroyed the artwork masters and were able to create a one-off set of stepmasters, just enough for one run through IC fab. The resulting parts worked out to $1,000 each and that is what they charged the customers!? ? On Sun, Feb 28, 2021 at 9:32 AM Rick - WA6NDR <nungester@...> wrote: > Say, Rick, did you know Matt Hunton at HP Spokane Division?
Sorry no, but it could just be me not remembering.
> ...later versions of the 8902A did not use the F8 ... Do you know anything about that ...
Fairchild announced the F8 would become obsolete and HP made a projected lifetime purchase for all F8-based 890nx products. The estimates ended up being low and we ran out of F8 haredare, so the F8 assembly code was program-translated to another CPU but I forget which one. I wasn't involved in that effort but know the engineer that did it, who likewise still lives in Spokane, WA.
> I tried on mine with firmware 94.1991 and it didn't appear on any of those functions.
Thanks for trying. In 1983 I went on to other projects and had no idea HP production engineers were still doing firmware releases as late as 1991! Big surprise to me.
> ... the 11794A softpac ... how you can get the information from the 8902A keyboard?
Sorry but no knowledge about that.
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Re: Historical question¡ªHP frequency standards
Patrick, thank you for that bit of data. My 100E is also a 116. I¡¯ve not yet found any 100Es with another serial prefix but it¡¯s early days yet.?
On Mon, Mar 1, 2021 at 12:39 AM Patrick Manning < pbmanning@...> wrote:
Jeremy, for what it's worth, I have a 100ER; its serial number is?116-00508 so there were at least 408 of that version.
-Pat
On February 28, 2021 at 3:48 PM Jeremy Nichols <jn6wfo@...> wrote:
Does anyone know how many of its ¡°first family¡± of frequency standards HP made? That would be the HP-100A (starting in 1943) through HP-100E (ending 1967). Just curious¡ªI have a 100E, made in or after 1961.?
Jeremy?
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Re: Old HP 8558B spectral analyzer
re,
A little discovery that may be important.
When I press the CAL button, the left display shows a dash like the acronym -
Maybe there¡¯s some manipulation I don¡¯t know about?
cdt
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I have two 8640B's that work well.? One has a typical output selector but the other one is auto ranging.? I think that is what it is called.? If on the 10 range and then reduce output with the vernier the output automatically switches to the 3 range when output drops below 3.? A little confusing for me the first time I came across that.? My question has to do with the background behind the output selector dial.? There is a vertical line which indicates the output range selected but adjacent to that is a wide arc for about 20 degrees followed by a thin line for another 20 degrees or so.? What do those arcs designate?? I've looked at the operators and service manuals but can't find any info.
Thanks,
Bill A
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Re: HP 8901B/8902A History
was this before FPGAs and the like ? ? a lot of steps to ¡°cook¡± up a batch of IC¡¯s I would expect, and not all of them survive the birthing process ?
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From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Jeremy Nichols
Sent: Sunday, February 28, 2021 6:17 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [HP-Agilent-Keysight-equipment] HP 8901B/8902A History ? ¡°About 100¡± is what my memory says.? ? On Sun, Feb 28, 2021 at 1:58 PM Mike Vande Voort <mike@...> wrote: Any idea what quantity that run was ? ? On Sun, Feb 28, 2021, 2:31 PM Jeremy Nichols <jn6wfo@...> wrote: Making the decision on a ¡°lifetime buy¡± can be treacherous! I know of one specific case because I was there (at HP Santa Clara) when it happened, sometime in the 1970s. Someone determined that a particular HP-made IC was used only in obsolete equipment and, after making a lifetime buy of that chip, obsoleted the design. We, in HP¡¯s photomask group, dutifully obsoleted the tooling for that mask set.? Sometime later, a product surfaced, still in ¡°support life,¡± and using that IC. Inventory was soon reduced to zero with customers demanding parts to fix their instruments. Fortunately, we had not destroyed the artwork masters and were able to create a one-off set of stepmasters, just enough for one run through IC fab. The resulting parts worked out to $1,000 each and that is what they charged the customers!? ? On Sun, Feb 28, 2021 at 9:32 AM Rick - WA6NDR <nungester@...> wrote: > Say, Rick, did you know Matt Hunton at HP Spokane Division?
Sorry no, but it could just be me not remembering.
> ...later versions of the 8902A did not use the F8 ... Do you know anything about that ...
Fairchild announced the F8 would become obsolete and HP made a projected lifetime purchase for all F8-based 890nx products. The estimates ended up being low and we ran out of F8 haredare, so the F8 assembly code was program-translated to another CPU but I forget which one. I wasn't involved in that effort but know the engineer that did it, who likewise still lives in Spokane, WA.
> I tried on mine with firmware 94.1991 and it didn't appear on any of those functions.
Thanks for trying. In 1983 I went on to other projects and had no idea HP production engineers were still doing firmware releases as late as 1991! Big surprise to me.
> ... the 11794A softpac ... how you can get the information from the 8902A keyboard?
Sorry but no knowledge about that.
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re,
if you repair old equipment I recommend this site
cdt
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Cross reference HP components numbers
hello,
Since I am repairing my analyzer , I am attaching an xls file that matches the HP references (if this is useful to you)
cdt
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Re: Old HP 8558B spectral analyzer
Don, and others
Thank's for your answer
First my native language is the French, so i use reverso to translate.
My oscilloscope is a HP182T (i bought the hp182T + spectral analyzer HP 8558b on ey)
I know they broke down, but I got a good price on E..y.
The HP182 now works, there was only one Zener "burn"
So there is some confusion for the word display.
The problem is on the displays?above the reference level and freq span button (the four "digits") on the spectral analyzer. (see picture)
No frequency on display. they are "black".
to understand what I¡¯m doing, you have to watch this video first.
we can test the analyzer, without putting it "plug-in" of HP182
I therefore rowed the +15v and -12.6v power supplies of the HP182 by wires directly on the analyzer.
so it's open and i can see some signals with my Philips oscilloscope (the second)
I did not bring back the 100v which is only used to sweep? ?horizontal the oscillo HP182.(at this time)
So I was able to control various signals, the sweep (pcb A8), the meter voltage?which varies with frequency . ) (pcb A7)
this famous signal meter voltage is used to display the frequency on the digits. (The pcb of the digits? is a kind of converter voltage/ displays /analogique / digital)
all signals are good on this connector attached to this PCB
THE BIG PROBLEM IS DOCUMENTATION
I have 2 documents HP 8558-60102 (July 1985) and HP 8558-60043 (October 1977)
But unfortunately, the schematics are more recent and the schematic??PCB of the displays is not the one I have
see the pictures of the pcb, it¡¯s an assembly of 5 small pcb, and that¡¯s the schematic of what I need.
(Here, the converter is only made with 74xxxx circuits and transistors, not with a 20-legged circuit where everything is integrated.)
So you need a manual service older than 1977??? Big question. Someone have the schematic???
my serial number is 1321Axxxx
see pictures:
The spectral analyzer
My pcb display (recto / verso)
Diagram of more recent display
The more recent display?
I think you¡¯ve figured out that¡¯s the old schematic I need
thank's for your answers
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Re: HP8595A firmware request
I also have a 8594E with GPIB. ?I have a GPIB cable that I don't know how to use.
The fact is, I want to sell the 8594E as I need the space in my small study.
larry
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Re: Historical question-HP frequency standards
Dave...
Thanks for the correction.
I should know that as John is a good friend! But
apparently, old age is getting to be as well.
Tom Holmes, N8ZM
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Re: Old HP 8558B spectral analyzer
Gerard,
What display are you using? The HP 180 series ( 180¨C184A,C,T) or the HP 853A? The 8558A has a small circuit card on the top, left, rear of the plug-in. This makes the connection for the horizontal sweep, the vertical goes through the connector on the rear. I haven¡¯t touched one of these in 30 yrs. so I may have it reversed. Determine which is at fault the display or the plug-in.
Don Bitters
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Re: Historical question¡ªHP frequency standards
Jeremy, for what it's worth, I have a 100ER; its serial number is?116-00508 so there were at least 408 of that version.
-Pat
On February 28, 2021 at 3:48 PM Jeremy Nichols <jn6wfo@...> wrote:
Does anyone know how many of its ¡°first family¡± of frequency standards HP made? That would be the HP-100A (starting in 1943) through HP-100E (ending 1967). Just curious¡ªI have a 100E, made in or after 1961.?
Jeremy?
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Re: Historical question¡ªHP frequency standards
Hi Jeremy:
There might be a clue in the "Changes" part of the manual.
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Have Fun,
Brooke Clarke
axioms:
1. The extent to which you can fix or improve something will be limited by how well you understand how it works.
2. Everybody, with no exceptions, holds false beliefs.
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