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Re: How to dispose old electronics test equipment LEGALLY
Dick
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I found an ARR-41 at my local Goodwill last year. They will
take Test Equipment.
If it's junk, take it to your local salvage yard.
73, Dick, W1KSZ
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Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2019 8:35 PM To: [email protected] <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [HP-Agilent-Keysight-equipment] How to dispose old electronics test equipment LEGALLY ?
On 8/29/19 11:24 PM, Jeremy Nichols wrote:
> Many thrift stores now won’t accept electronics at all. If the product > turns out to be broken, worthless, or simply doesn’t sell, they’re stuck > with the disposal problem. ? I've noticed that lately, and I've made it a point to speak up whenever there's a manager around.? There are still some thrift stores around here where electronics of various sorts show up (no test equipment though) but the rest of them have turned into seas of gaudy shoes for old women, coffee mugs, and truly astonishing numbers of the Twilight books. ????????? -Dave -- Dave McGuire, AK4HZ New Kensington, PA |
Re: HP 54542A
Bob Albert
I have two Boonton Q meters, the 260(?) for HF and its VHF brother.? They work great and are a joy to use.? Kudos to those brilliant engineers who designed all this marvelous gear.? I had to repair the VHF one but it was the power supply constant voltage unit.? I can make good measurements without benefit of the standard coils but they would make life a bit easier for some tests. While I repair equipment for others, my real pleasure is in operating these high end items.? I recall, as an engineering student, lusting for a GR 650 impedance bridge.? Now I have better ones and really enjoy using them.? GR made as good equipment as one could buy; I hated to see the demise of the company.? They did more than just make electronics; they pioneered employee benefits at a time when so many workers were struggling with poor conditions and long hours and low pay. But I show my age... Bob
On Thursday, August 29, 2019, 07:30:59 PM PDT, Dave McGuire <mcguire@...> wrote:
On 8/29/19 10:27 PM, Bob Albert via Groups.Io wrote: > My casual assessment is that the battery ran down because I hadn't used > the unit for a while.? So I am making a point of using it and will see > if the anomaly repeats itself. > > Even if it does, this unit really impresses me and using it is a lot of > fun.? It's the only digital 'scope I've ever used.? Seeing the aliasing > is fun too.? The FFT lets me measure distortion.? I got it for what I > consider a bargain price. ? They really are nice oscilloscopes. > My lab is now almost complete, if there is such a thing.? I'd like to > get the standard coils for the Q meter and an RF millivoltmeter and a > vector impedance meter and some resistor decade boxes.? I don't have > room for it all.? I need to sell off the older stuff like a tube tester, > some sig gens, and voltmeters and oscillators and power supplies.? Also > the EICO 950B bridge. ? Nice, which Q meter do you have? > All of it will go to the dumpster when I die in a few years; I just hit > 87 and don't imagine I have that much time left. ? Surely you can point that wonderful stuff in a better direction than a dumpster.. ? ? ? ? ? ? -Dave -- Dave McGuire, AK4HZ New Kensington, PA |
Re: How to dispose old electronics test equipment LEGALLY
On 8/29/19 11:24 PM, Jeremy Nichols wrote:
Many thrift stores now won’t accept electronics at all. If the productI've noticed that lately, and I've made it a point to speak up whenever there's a manager around. There are still some thrift stores around here where electronics of various sorts show up (no test equipment though) but the rest of them have turned into seas of gaudy shoes for old women, coffee mugs, and truly astonishing numbers of the Twilight books. -Dave -- Dave McGuire, AK4HZ New Kensington, PA |
Re: How to dispose old electronics test equipment LEGALLY
Many thrift stores now won’t accept electronics at all. If the product turns out to be broken, worthless, or simply doesn’t sell, they’re stuck with the disposal problem. On Thu, Aug 29, 2019 at 7:25 PM Dave Seiter <d.seiter@...> wrote:
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Re: How to dispose old electronics test equipment LEGALLY
I think there is no real point in keeping this going.? We all have bigger issues to deal with.? I have seen major pollution; this is insignificant.
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On 8/29/2019 4:33 PM, info@... wrote:
Pete you said you removed the toxic materials before you buried, no prove of that but ok lets belive you... what did you do with the toxic hazard materials you removed? do you have a receipt where you took that for propper disposal? on the picture I can see equipment closed with its cases even some small card boxes closed with parts I assume. You said Companies do that, these companies need permits, special facilities and special training to handle all of that is not like you said. "?I have watched them do it" and now you are a professional disposal service!!! What a joke. |
Re: How to dispose old electronics test equipment LEGALLY
Electronics recyclers do essentially that.
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It has to go somewhere as no recycling operation can just stockpile stuff. On 8/29/2019 4:00 PM, Pete Manfre wrote:
All hazard materials have been removed…? local land fills do exactly the same.? ?I have watched them do it. |
Re: How to dispose old electronics test equipment LEGALLY
I gave a HUGE pile to the electronics club at a local university. Some of the test gear they used, some stuff they scavenged parts from, other stuff is still stored for future use.
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Peter On 8/29/2019 3:57 PM, info@... wrote:
Then legally you need to take it yourself to a disposal unit you cant be a gross polluter like that. I know people throw batteries all the time in the trash and that is illegal. But at least the dont brag about it like this guy does. |
Re: HP 54542A
On 8/29/19 10:27 PM, Bob Albert via Groups.Io wrote:
My casual assessment is that the battery ran down because I hadn't usedThey really are nice oscilloscopes. My lab is now almost complete, if there is such a thing.? I'd like toNice, which Q meter do you have? All of it will go to the dumpster when I die in a few years; I just hitSurely you can point that wonderful stuff in a better direction than a dumpster.. -Dave -- Dave McGuire, AK4HZ New Kensington, PA |
Re: HP 54542A
Bob Albert
My casual assessment is that the battery ran down because I hadn't used the unit for a while.? So I am making a point of using it and will see if the anomaly repeats itself. Even if it does, this unit really impresses me and using it is a lot of fun.? It's the only digital 'scope I've ever used.? Seeing the aliasing is fun too.? The FFT lets me measure distortion.? I got it for what I consider a bargain price. Still, I'd like to fool around with other digital units to see how they compare. My lab is now almost complete, if there is such a thing.? I'd like to get the standard coils for the Q meter and an RF millivoltmeter and a vector impedance meter and some resistor decade boxes.? I don't have room for it all.? I need to sell off the older stuff like a tube tester, some sig gens, and voltmeters and oscillators and power supplies.? Also the EICO 950B bridge. All of it will go to the dumpster when I die in a few years; I just hit 87 and don't imagine I have that much time left. Bob
On Thursday, August 29, 2019, 06:23:11 PM PDT, Harvey White <madyn@...> wrote:
On 8/29/2019 12:48 PM, Chuck Harris wrote:
> Hi Bob, > > There is no controversy, just some back and forth. > > I am never sure what sets Tam off.? I am generally > sure his utterances rarely meet decency standards for > polite company... Whatever that means. > > If the cell is rechargeable, then they must think the > circuit being backed up has too heavy of a current draw > for a normal primary cell to handle. Weren't NiCd cells easier to come by (at that time) than lithium batteries?? I know that the TM5000 stuff (depending on age) has leakable rechargeable nicad batteries, which more or less force you to recalibrate after 2 or 3 months, or whenever the cells self discharge.? (Specifically the DM5010, about which I know more than I wanted to).? The AWG5010 (think that's right) has a lithium cell in it, but it's a later device. The 7A42 also has a leakable nicad battery in it. It may have been a tradeoff between cost, availablility, cell capacity, or whatever. > > And, rechargeable lithium cells don't hold their charge > for nearly as long as do the primary cell kind.? So, it > may be needed capacity due to the cell's expected self > discharge rate. Aren't the rechargeable lithium batteries after the date of at least some of the equipment?? Don't they need some very special chips to make them happy, as opposed to the relatively simple resistor trickle charge of nicd? Harvey > -Chuck Harris > > > > Bob Albert via Groups.Io wrote: >>? I didn't mean to start a controversy.? The energy in a cell is measured in terms of its Ampere-hour rating in conjunction with its voltage. >> Why HP chose such a large battery is beyond me.? Nobody has come forth with the information regarding the charging of this cell in the 54542A.? (My apologies for perpetuating the incorrect term 'battery' for a unit with a single cell.) >> If it is used as a keep-alive memory voltage, it needs to supply no current and thus doesn't need recharging unless its self discharge is significant.? And more than 2 Ampere-hours is major overkill.? A little CR2032 ought to be sufficient. >> I wish a schematic diagram were available.? I will learn more when I get around to opening the oscilloscope.? But since it's working well, I hesitate to muck around with it, especially in view of the many other projects I have in the works. >> Finding an exact replacement is not easy.? I have found some at somewhat lesser capacity but they aren't cheap either, and don't have solder tabs.? I know soldering to these cells isn't recommended but I have done it successfully.? I do have some stock of CR2032 cells and a couple of holders for them so that could be a way to go.? These are not rechargeable. >> If someone would please step in and clear the air here I would much appreciate it. >> Bob > > > > |
Re: How to dispose old electronics test equipment LEGALLY
The problem with goodwill is that they won't keep accessories, manuals, and equipment together.? They are also not used to seeing test equipment, so they (most of them anyway) won't know the difference between a worthless PC and a signal generator.?? I've heard Salvation Army does a better job, as does Savers, but it may depend on the individual stores (that goes for Goodwill as well) (ex. Savers accepts tools, whereas Goodwill does not). -Dave
On Thursday, August 29, 2019, 06:12:56 PM PDT, Dick <w1ksz@...> wrote:
You can also donate to Goodwill.
73, Dick, W1KSZ
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From: [email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of Brad Thompson <brad.thompsonaa1ip@...>
Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2019 5:08 PM To: [email protected] <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [HP-Agilent-Keysight-equipment] How to dispose old electronics test equipment LEGALLY ?
Hello--
Having grown up in the 1950s as a pre-teen electronics buff, I looked forward to rubbish-collection day when I could scrounge a discarded radio or two on my way home from school. I honed my repair skills on some radios and salvaged parts from the rest. Some components yielded to internal? investigation (think: vacuum tube and hammer) while others went into the copper, aluminum and ferrous-metal scrap boxes. Periodically, my dad would haul the boxes to the junk dealer and get a few dollars to help out the family budget. So, when I decided to thin my test-equipment herd I began by contacting local ham clubs and asking if they'd like a donation to sell at the next ham flea market. Much to my chagrin, the clubs weren't interested in free test gear. I posted a notice to a local community e-mail forum and received one response from a gentleman who home-schools his kids, one of whom was interested in electronics. I added some books on basic electronics to the collection. When the gent arrived in a rusting pickup truck, I inferred that the family wasn't exactly wealthy. I learned that they made some money from metal recycling and some from eBay sales. Perhaps the equipment all ended up as scrap, or perhaps the kid with an interest is on his way to a lifelong career in electronics. It worked? for me. So, please consider making an effort to give away unwanted equipment on the chance that it could potentially do someone more good than if it were deemed unsaleable and buried under dirt in a landfill. For an historical context, see... 73-- Brad? AA1IP |
Re: HP 54542A
On 8/29/2019 12:48 PM, Chuck Harris wrote:
Hi Bob,Weren't NiCd cells easier to come by (at that time) than lithium batteries?? I know that the TM5000 stuff (depending on age) has leakable rechargeable nicad batteries, which more or less force you to recalibrate after 2 or 3 months, or whenever the cells self discharge.? (Specifically the DM5010, about which I know more than I wanted to).? The AWG5010 (think that's right) has a lithium cell in it, but it's a later device. The 7A42 also has a leakable nicad battery in it. It may have been a tradeoff between cost, availablility, cell capacity, or whatever. Aren't the rechargeable lithium batteries after the date of at least some of the equipment?? Don't they need some very special chips to make them happy, as opposed to the relatively simple resistor trickle charge of nicd? Harvey -Chuck Harris |
Re: How to dispose old electronics test equipment LEGALLY
Dick
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From: [email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of Brad Thompson <brad.thompsonaa1ip@...>
Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2019 5:08 PM To: [email protected] <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [HP-Agilent-Keysight-equipment] How to dispose old electronics test equipment LEGALLY ?
Hello--
Having grown up in the 1950s as a pre-teen electronics buff, I looked forward to rubbish-collection day when I could scrounge a discarded radio or two on my way home from school. I honed my repair skills on some radios and salvaged parts from the rest. Some components yielded to internal? investigation (think: vacuum tube and hammer) while others went into the copper, aluminum and ferrous-metal scrap boxes. Periodically, my dad would haul the boxes to the junk dealer and get a few dollars to help out the family budget. So, when I decided to thin my test-equipment herd I began by contacting local ham clubs and asking if they'd like a donation to sell at the next ham flea market. Much to my chagrin, the clubs weren't interested in free test gear. I posted a notice to a local community e-mail forum and received one response from a gentleman who home-schools his kids, one of whom was interested in electronics. I added some books on basic electronics to the collection. When the gent arrived in a rusting pickup truck, I inferred that the family wasn't exactly wealthy. I learned that they made some money from metal recycling and some from eBay sales. Perhaps the equipment all ended up as scrap, or perhaps the kid with an interest is on his way to a lifelong career in electronics. It worked? for me. So, please consider making an effort to give away unwanted equipment on the chance that it could potentially do someone more good than if it were deemed unsaleable and buried under dirt in a landfill. For an historical context, see... 73-- Brad? AA1IP |
Re: HP 54542A
I was once told a rechargeable loses 50 % of its capacity / charge in a year
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but a normal primary cell loses less than 10% capacity / charge in a year A new rechargeable cell takes 14 hours at 10% capacity to charge When in equipment for memory the charge current is usually below 10 % Paul -----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Tam Hanna Sent: 29 August 2019 21:57 To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [HP-Agilent-Keysight-equipment] HP 54542A Hello, please see below. I am never sure what sets Tam off. I am generallyEasy. Whatever sets me off. sure his utterances rarely meet decency standards forI cherish that position and ability. Being semi retired and having my under ground lab means that I am my own company. And I think I am quite polite ;). With all military respect, but on my desk, someone loudly screams LOGIC VARIABLE (bool'ean) SHEET. I am the proud owner of a HP 4195A, whose CPU board (as that of the 4194A) has the nasty habit of not booting when its internal NiCad cell goes dry. I did not perform current measurements on mine as of yet, but from what I picked up from fellow owners, the units need 24H of being on all the time to fully recharge. So whatever current goes in and out there, must be tiny. And, rechargeable lithium cells don't hold their chargeThis is 100% true, excluding special chemistries of rechargeable battery, which however, can be beaten by specific non rechargeable chemistries. I owe a friend at SAFT a favor, I can ask her. Has been years since I worked with batteries.
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Re: How to dispose old electronics test equipment LEGALLY
Hello--
Having grown up in the 1950s as a pre-teen electronics buff, I looked forward to rubbish-collection day when I could scrounge a discarded radio or two on my way home from school. I honed my repair skills on some radios and salvaged parts from the rest. Some components yielded to internal? investigation (think: vacuum tube and hammer) while others went into the copper, aluminum and ferrous-metal scrap boxes. Periodically, my dad would haul the boxes to the junk dealer and get a few dollars to help out the family budget. So, when I decided to thin my test-equipment herd I began by contacting local ham clubs and asking if they'd like a donation to sell at the next ham flea market. Much to my chagrin, the clubs weren't interested in free test gear. I posted a notice to a local community e-mail forum and received one response from a gentleman who home-schools his kids, one of whom was interested in electronics. I added some books on basic electronics to the collection. When the gent arrived in a rusting pickup truck, I inferred that the family wasn't exactly wealthy. I learned that they made some money from metal recycling and some from eBay sales. Perhaps the equipment all ended up as scrap, or perhaps the kid with an interest is on his way to a lifelong career in electronics. It worked? for me. So, please consider making an effort to give away unwanted equipment on the chance that it could potentially do someone more good than if it were deemed unsaleable and buried under dirt in a landfill. For an historical context, see... 73-- Brad? AA1IP |
Re: How to dispose old electronics test equipment LEGALLY
Here I am in Mexico SEMARNAT that is similar to EPA comes to the places to review their disposals records and what to see receipts of where did you send your waste. The question is where and how the professional companies disposed it SEMARNAT suppose to check them out too like that to see how they dispose it all. I dont think they bury it as Pete said maybe burn the waste in a controlled maner and recycle whatever could be used. I have seen some youtube videos that most of it goes to Africa and India and some stuff they fix other they recycle and burn illegally in other countries IT IS A MESS.
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Doug,
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You do bring up an interesting point. Our waste receiver here just charges extra for electronic waste and it goes in a separate pile. Problem is who knows where it goes from there. Our last major recycling event was 1500 pounds of boards, mostly old HP, and after fees(a bunch) netted $18,000 and this was in 2010 when gold was only $850/oz. So there is real money in gold recovery. Regards, Stephen Hanselman Datagate Systems, LLC On Aug 29, 2019, at 16:09, doug <dmcgarrett@...> wrote:On 08/29/2019 04:20 PM, Dave Daniel wrote:In Brookhaven Town, Suffolk County, NY, the waste facility requires that |
Re: How to dispose old electronics test equipment LEGALLY
On 08/29/2019 04:20 PM, Dave Daniel wrote:
These days, a lot of (US) counties have facilities to which you can takeIn Brookhaven Town, Suffolk County, NY, the waste facility requires that "electronics" be brought to their facility and placed in a separate location, presumably to be salvaged. However, I think their understanding of "electronics" is old TV sets and computers, I don't know if they are equipped to handle an HP 608! --doug, WA2SAY |
Re: HP 54542A
Oh that's where I used an inappropriate apostrophe, yes that is completely wrong and of course was a mistake. Even native English speakers make typos, especially when they are chuckling as they type. I am pleased to hear your clarification but I know that you intended to be contentious , so does the rest of the group.
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On the other hand I was attempting to pull your leg, some people obviously got that. However David has asked us to discuss test equipment so next time I will. All the best. Conrad PA5Y PS Chuck means throw in English, does it mean the same in American? -----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Chuck Harris via Groups.Io Sent: 29 August 2019 22:20 To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [HP-Agilent-Keysight-equipment] HP 54542A When you say "American's..." you are talking of something that an American possesses. If you say "Americans'...", you are talking of something that a group of Americans possesses. So, saying "... American's belong", is an inappropriate use of an apostrophe. A more proper punctuation would be to have been to have said "Americans", as it was plurality, not possessiveness, that you wanted convey in your slur. As to your hoping that I am not some kind of Anglophile bigot, my words suggested no such thing. I cannot understand what I cannot understand. You can make the most impassioned plea to me, but if I don't understand the language you made it in, it is just noise. It is less likely to get the desired attention from me then it would if you used English. -Chuck Harris Conrad, PA5Y wrote: No it wasn’t and I was paraphrasing after all. |
Re: HP 54542A
开云体育BTW, I buy my CR2032s from Digi-Key in quantity 50 for about $0.25 apiece.? ?Aside from backing up memory in test equipment, I use them in an LED baseball cap for when I walk my dogs at night.? Also in a handy LED flashlight on my keychain. Don't spend $5 apiece at the drugstore! Jim Ford? Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone |
Re: How to dispose old electronics test equipment LEGALLY
开云体育Well said David,
Too many people can be a bit too controversial sometimes.
Lets stick to conversation about test equipment, which by the way i enjoy immensely...
Regards
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From: "Dr. David Kirkby from Kirkby Microwave Ltd"
Date:29/08/2019 21:59 (GMT+00:00)
Subject: Re: [HP-Agilent-Keysight-equipment] How to dispose old electronics test equipment LEGALLY
On Thu, 29 Aug 2019 at 20:45, <info@...> wrote:
I know this guy in the USA in North Carolina that all the time bury in the ground electronics parts and old electronics test equipment. This individual even sent me pictures of this activity so I have prove of this. I was wondering how can you dispose of this legally if anyone knows a disposal way or what companies do that, I actually have some monitors and some old OTDR I need to dispose, and I know I cant throw in the trash. I know this equipment has toxic materials like lead,mercury, cadmiun, beryllium, lithium, so it is obviuos that is an illegal activity to bury in the group like that. I would remind you that this is a place to discuss HP, Agilent and Keysight test equipment - NOT the place to pick a row with someone.
Dave (group owner)
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