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Re: HP 1740A HV Oscillator has stopped running

 

By "Q3", do you mean "HV OSC Q1", the off board power transistor connected to T1-3? The 7.27v base-emitter voltage would indicate either a bad connection to "HV OSC Q1" (open emitter?) or a blown "HV OSC Q1". If that part is socketed, pull it out and re-install.

Dave


On 10/21/2017 7:59 AM, graham.l.n.butcher@... [hp_agilent_equipment] wrote:

Hi everyone, the last time I asked a question I got some very good advice, so lets see if we have same luck this time.


I have the 1740A that I'm trying to restore, its in really good condition inside and out generally and certainly does not belong as landfill etc.


Last time I had distorted waveforms and your advice pointed me in the right direction and we resolved that issue and so while attempting to calibrate the scope a bit, the trace disappeared completely, did this a couple of times and never recovered. Pressing beam find confirmed that there was no HT.


Removed the HV cover and checked the supply rails coming in and all is correct but the oscillator is not running and I've confirmed this by using another scope and holding the probe in close proximity to the transformer and there is high frequency bleed at all. There is a 50Hz one if I turn the sensitivity all the way up, normally there is a high strength signal of around 30 to 40Khz but not on this one at present.


The voltages I'm getting on Q1, Q2 and Q3 are:


2

Base +16.8v

Emitter +15v

Collector 0v


Q1

Base 0v

Emitter 0v

Collector +7.27v


Q3

Base +7.27v

Emitter 0v

Collector +22v


I should say as well that this particular board has the modifications to the Q1 and Q2 configuration which I have a photo of but not too sure how I can attach it in a fashion that you can see it, any ideas on how I submit the photo and on how I can resolve the oscillator issue?


All assistance is greatly appreciated.


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Re: 8566B PL1 Unlock, PL2 Unlock and Ref Unlock

 

I opened up my 8566B and found that the +12v on the A17 board to be reading 9.5V with 4.5 of AC ripple. The fuses on this board are ok. No burning ext.

Should I just find a used board? Is this board used in any others like the 8568b?

Thanks again.


Re: 1853-0063 transistor needed

 

I looked up an NTE214 and it’s an NPN.


Re: 1853-0063 transistor needed

Bob Albert
 

I found several cross references. I think NTE214 for instance. It's a TO-3 PNP 3 MHz t5A 80V unit and there are many that can probably work in that slot. I may have a few in my junkbox. You can also use the plastic ones from Japan, but the number eludes me at the moment. 2SB something.

Bob


On Saturday, October 21, 2017 10:32 AM, "'Paul Bicknell' paul@... [hp_agilent_equipment]" wrote:




Hi Manuel
The only x ref I have for a 1853-0063 is a SJ 1528
Regards Paul B

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Subject: [hp_agilent_equipment] 1853-0063 transistor needed
Anyone know of a source or cross reference for a 1853-0063 transistor used in the 410C? I’ve already have a query into Walter at Sphere.
Thanks in advance,
Manuel


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Re: 8566B PL1 Unlock, PL2 Unlock and Ref Unlock

 

On my 8566B, I found that I have little or no output from the 100Mhz cal signal as well. I haven't lifted the unit out of the rack yet, but to be clear, I have a blinking PL1 Unlock, PL2 Unlock and REF Unlock as well as the missing 100Mhz. Actually, the 100Mhz seems to be there but won't drive a 50ohm load at all.

I'll check the voltages today. By the way, I hope I need something specialized to fix this beast as I always enjoy a purchasing opportunity. I have 2 x 8568Bs, lots of scopes and voltmeters, signal generators, etc. What else could I need?

Any input?

Thanks


Re: HP 3455A stability issue

 

though some people have found old integration caps most likely you have a leaky FET. They are tough to find but the section in the manual that addresses this problem should help.


Re: 1853-0063 transistor needed

 

Hi Manuel

The only x ref I have for a 1853-0063 is a SJ 1528

Regards Paul B


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Anyone know of a source or cross reference for a 1853-0063 transistor used in the 410C? I’ve already have a query into Walter at Sphere.

Thanks in advance,

Manuel

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1853-0063 transistor needed

 

Anyone know of a source or cross reference for a 1853-0063 transistor used in the 410C? I’ve already have a query into Walter at Sphere.


Thanks in advance,

Manuel


Re: Unsubscribing?

 

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Re: Anti Static Vacuum Cleaners

 

Greetings,

I have had the same issue over the years and found that compressed air works great. It has been my experience that blowing the dust and crud off was more effective than trying to vacuum it.

While I have never damaged any equipment with the air blast from a basic compressor I am also aware of anti-static air compressor blow-off nozzles.

In the lab where I work we have a unit made by 3M, but I believe many other makers offer such devices. With a little research one might find inexpensive units, used devices available on eBay, or even discover how to make your one.

Regards,

Ken


On 20Oct, 2017, at 10:00 PM, Dave Daniel kc0wjn@... [hp_agilent_equipment] <hp_agilent_equipment@...> wrote:

I looked around for something similar a while back. I was thinking of the vacuums used to clean out toner from printers (we used to have these when I worked for STK Printer Ops). They had small nozzles and were very effective at cleaning up toner. I wasn't able to find anything remotely affordable.

I've always wondered about using compressed air on static-sensitive electronics. It seems to me to be a bad idea, ESD-wise, but I have no real experience.

DaveD

On 10/20/2017 9:31 PM, David Smithw6te@...[hp_agilent_equipment] wrote:

Greetings,

I was working on an HP 438A Power Meter yesterday which was absolutely filthy inside. This thing must have been run 24/7 in a filthy environment over the years. I had to replace the fan, as usual, so I went ahead and pulled the power supply unit out to clean the dust and crap out of it. But, really, there was a layer of thick dust all over the unit.

This got me to thinking� I need a better way of vacuuming and cleaning equipment that comes in that I won’t be fearful of damaging the cmos devices. Mind you I have a grounded ESD pad across my bench that equipment sits on when it is being worked on and I always use a grounded wrist band on my wrist. I investigated some handheld vacuum cleaners and discovered a few models that are electrostatically safe. The cost was a bit of a shocker as they sold for around $375 USD!!! (They must be very proud of their equipment.) What are the recommendations of the group for a hand held vacuum cleaner that would be safe to use around sensitive electronic equipment? I don’t mind spending $100 or so on something but $375 is a bit out of the question.

Best regards,

Dave W6TE

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Re: Anti Static Vacuum Cleaners

 

I know that when installing a dust collection system for a wood shop, if metal ducting is not to be used, it is important that discharge wires be run inside all the ductwork and grounded to the dust collector in order to eliminate the possibility of dust explosion due to static buildup. There have been stories over the years in Fine Woodworking magazine about just such occurrences.

DaveD

On 10/20/2017 11:06 PM, Chuck Harris cfharris@... [hp_agilent_equipment] wrote:

In general, it is not a problem. The thing with static electricity
and vacuum cleaners is, though.

What happens is the dust inevitably has a charge, and when it gets
dragged through the hose, it deposits its charge in the vacuum
cleaner bin. As time goes on, that charge builds up, and discharges
to the motor, and if there is lots of dust, <>!

I was cleaning up sawdust from my basement floor one day, and
there was quite a lot. I was doing the area around my bandsaw,
and <>! The largest bolt of static I have ever seen,
jumped between my elbow and the bandsaw's bed. It seemed to be
5 or so inches long. Plastic hoses are the pits.

I had a coworker once that wanted to clean up his TRS-80, and
asked about using a vacuum. I told him don't. He didn't listen,
and the next day came telling of how the TRS-80 was showing a
complete memory failure. Imagine.

Air passing through the hose potentially could deposit charge too,
but usually doesn't because the blow gun is metal, and you are holding
it, returning the charge back to ground. It would be quite different
if your compressor was passing quantities of dust... but most have
air filters.

-Chuck Harris

Dave Daniel kc0wjn@... [hp_agilent_equipment] wrote:
> I looked around for something similar a while back. I was thinking of the vacuums
> used to clean out toner from printers (we used to have these when I worked for STK
> Printer Ops). They had small nozzles and were very effective at cleaning up toner. I
> wasn't able to find anything remotely affordable.
>
> I've always wondered about using compressed air on static-sensitive electronics. It
> seems to me to be a bad idea, ESD-wise, but I have no real experience.
>
> DaveD
>
> On 10/20/2017 9:31 PM, David Smith w6te@... [hp_agilent_equipment] wrote:
>>
>> Greetings,
>>
>> I was working on an HP 438A Power Meter yesterday which was absolutely filthy
>> inside. This thing must have been run 24/7 in a filthy environment over the years.
>> I had to replace the fan, as usual, so I went ahead and pulled the power supply
>> unit out to clean the dust and crap out of it. But, really, there was a layer of
>> thick dust all over the unit.
>>
>> This got me to thinking� I need a better way of vacuuming and cleaning equipment
>> that comes in that I won’t be fearful of damaging the cmos devices. Mind you I have
>> a grounded ESD pad across my bench that equipment sits on when it is being worked
>> on and I always use a grounded wrist band on my wrist. I investigated some handheld
>> vacuum cleaners and discovered a few models that are electrostatically safe. The
>> cost was a bit of a shocker as they sold for around $375 USD!!! (They must be very
>> proud of their equipment.) What are the recommendations of the group for a hand
>> held vacuum cleaner that would be safe to use around sensitive electronic
>> equipment? I don’t mind spending $100 or so on something but $375 is a bit out of
>> the question.
>>
>> Best regards,
>>
>> Dave W6TE
>>
>> Sent from Mail for Windows 10



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Bob Stewart
 

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Re: Anti Static Vacuum Cleaners

 

Thar does, indeed, look like what we used to use. Thanks.

DaveD

On 10/21/2017 1:57 AM, Peter Loron peterl@... [hp_agilent_equipment] wrote:

The 3M model 497 is an example of the kind of vacuum you want for this work. They can be had used on eBay for < $100.


-Pete


On Oct 20, 2017, at 20:31, David Smith w6te@... [hp_agilent_equipment] <hp_agilent_equipment@...> wrote:



Greetings,
I was working on an HP 438A Power Meter yesterday which was absolutely filthy inside. This thing must have been run 24/7 in a filthy environment over the years. I had to replace the fan, as usual, so I went ahead and pulled the power supply unit out to clean the dust and crap out of it. But, really, there was a layer of thick dust all over the unit.
This got me to thinking� I need a better way of vacuuming and cleaning equipment that comes in that I won’t be fearful of damaging the cmos devices. Mind you I have a grounded ESD pad across my bench that equipment sits on when it is being worked on and I always use a grounded wrist band on my wrist. I investigated some handheld vacuum cleaners and discovered a few models that are electrostatically safe. The cost was a bit of a shocker as they sold for around $375 USD!!! (They must be very proud of their equipment.) What are the recommendations of the group for a hand held vacuum cleaner that would be safe to use around sensitive electronic equipment? I don’t mind spending $100 or so on something but $375 is a bit out of the question.
Best regards,
Dave W6TE
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Hp3562a DSA A4 board WANTED

 

Has anyone got an A4 board (DFA) for the Hp3562a? I am looking for a parts machine in the UK too.

Thanks Simon


HP 1740A HV Oscillator has stopped running

 

Hi everyone, the last time I asked a question I got some very good advice, so lets see if we have same luck this time.


I have the 1740A that I'm trying to restore, its in really good condition inside and out generally and certainly does not belong as landfill etc.


Last time I had distorted waveforms and your advice pointed me in the right direction and we resolved that issue and so while attempting to calibrate the scope a bit, the trace disappeared completely, did this a couple of times and never recovered. Pressing beam find confirmed that there was no HT.


Removed the HV cover and checked the supply rails coming in and all is correct but the oscillator is not running and I've confirmed this by using another scope and holding the probe in close proximity to the transformer and there is high frequency bleed at all. There is a 50Hz one if I turn the sensitivity all the way up, normally there is a high strength signal of around 30 to 40Khz but not on this one at present.


The voltages I'm getting on Q1, Q2 and Q3 are:


2

Base +16.8v

Emitter +15v

Collector 0v


Q1

Base 0v

Emitter 0v

Collector +7.27v


Q3

Base +7.27v

Emitter 0v

Collector +22v


I should say as well that this particular board has the modifications to the Q1 and Q2 configuration which I have a photo of but not too sure how I can attach it in a fashion that you can see it, any ideas on how I submit the photo and on how I can resolve the oscillator issue?


All assistance is greatly appreciated.


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Re: Anti Static Vacuum Cleaners

 

Dave �

About a year ago I bought a small vacuum that was specifically intended to clean computers. It will both suck or blow and has lots of attachments. I think it was around $100, but I am no longer sure. If you are interested I can provide more details. 73 � Mike

Mike B. Feher, N4FS

89 Arnold Blvd.

Howell NJ 07731

848-245-9115

From: hp_agilent_equipment@... [mailto:hp_agilent_equipment@...]
Sent: Friday, October 20, 2017 11:31 PM
To: hp_agilent_equipment
Subject: [hp_agilent_equipment] Anti Static Vacuum Cleaners

Greetings,

I was working on an HP 438A Power Meter yesterday which was absolutely filthy inside. This thing must have been run 24/7 in a filthy environment over the years. I had to replace the fan, as usual, so I went ahead and pulled the power supply unit out to clean the dust and crap out of it. But, really, there was a layer of thick dust all over the unit.

This got me to thinking� I need a better way of vacuuming and cleaning equipment that comes in that I won’t be fearful of damaging the cmos devices. Mind you I have a grounded ESD pad across my bench that equipment sits on when it is being worked on and I always use a grounded wrist band on my wrist. I investigated some handheld vacuum cleaners and discovered a few models that are electrostatically safe. The cost was a bit of a shocker as they sold for around $375 USD!!! (They must be very proud of their equipment.) What are the recommendations of the group for a hand held vacuum cleaner that would be safe to use around sensitive electronic equipment? I don’t mind spending $100 or so on something but $375 is a bit out of the question.

Best regards,

Dave W6TE

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Re: KNOBS HP1701 SCOPE

Keith Cockburn
 

Hi Bob

Well done in getting the olde going. I have just done the same with a 1725a. It was received with no covers bent timebase shafts. Wiring looms cut and no power supply power transistors on missing heatsink. The main problem was a warped horizontal board to such an extent that the socketed main and delayed timebase boards thro which the switch shafts run was out of line. This made for very intermittent operation. It looked as though someone had got so fed up with this they had hit the timebase knobs with a hammer and bent everything. If you want I can photo these so u can make something on a lathe (1701 and 1725 knobs look similar). I clamped both timebase boards to the scope side member now its reliable. I wanted something to enable me to see pulses from a Geiger tube the old 545a was not up to it.

Cheers Keith G0SKJ

-----Original Message-----
From: hp_agilent_equipment@... [mailto:hp_agilent_equipment@...]
Sent: 21 October 2017 04:48
To: hp_agilent_equipment@...
Subject: [hp_agilent_equipment] KNOBS HP1701 SCOPE

HELLO to the Group...

Recently aquired a slightly damaged 1701 scope.

The three knobs on the time base selector were

missing, and all three shafts were bent..Through

some subtle persuation, and lots of praying, I got

the shafts stright. To my surprise, when I powered

it up and turned a couple of knobs, a nice bright

sharpe trace appeared.........

Now comes my real problem... KNOBS ..........

HP part #s

0370 2173

0370 1129

01710 57404

Hoping someone has some idea where I migth

find them or even a parts unit. (reasonable $$)

Thanks..... ...BOB... KD0IJI@...


Re: 5342A: blown sampler?

 

I have a 5342A with option 005 which extends operation from 18GHz to 24GHz. It has the original N-type connector though. So I expect there must be other hardware changes, or as Steve K suggests selected parts. The option cost $500 extra.

Steve


On ‎Friday�, ‎October� �20�, �2017� �02�:�00�:�22� ‎PM� ‎BST, Steve - Home Steve-Krull@... [hp_agilent_equipment] wrote:


I’ve done the connector change and, using a good quality SMA, I have two 5342As that count reliably to 26GHz and one that just won’t count reliably above about 21GHz. I don’t have a 5343A to compare to but I wonder if maybe they were just hand-selected 5342As?


73,

Steve
WB0DBS



On Oct 20, 2017, at 7:38 AM, Tobias Pluess tobias.pluess@... [hp_agilent_equipment] <hp_agilent_equipment@...> wrote:

Hi Harke,

oh, interesting. So the upgrade to 26 GHz, which would actually be a 5343A, changes only the connector? :-)
This is funny, because I use a HP 8563E spectrum analyzer at work, which operates fine at 26.5 GHz using a N connector!

Best
Tobias



From: hp_agilent_equipment@... [hp_agilent_equipment@...]
Sent: Friday, October 20, 2017 14:13
To: hp_agilent_equipment@...
Subject: Re: RE: [hp_agilent_equipment] Re: 5342A: blown sampler?

Hello Tobias,

Congrats on the repair! Happy for you the sampler was fine! I can only comment on the frequency range. I have a number of HP equipment (including the HP5342A) that are spec'd to 20-22 GHz and with an (expensive) option that range can be extended to 26 GHz. The only hw change is the input connector that goes from N to APC3.5. No other change! Try the counter at 24 GHz and you will see it will work!
Good luck!

Harke


On Friday, October 20, 2017, 2:05:31 PM GMT+2, Tobias Pluess tobias.pluess@... [hp_agilent_equipment] <hp_agilent_equipment@...> wrote:


Hi all,

problem solved: as I said, the counter was counting fine on the low frequency input, but on the high frequency input, it displayed only zeros. The reason was that
a) the -5.2V operating voltage was out of the spec
b) the solder joint between the semirigid coax to the front panel's N connector cracked, thus the semirigid was no longer connected to the connector. I re-soldered and now it counts fine (only tested with 2 GHz so far).

I wonder whether it is possible to replace the ROM. It would be nice to add option 004, the DAC. I have couple of DAC80 here, however, opt. 004 needs a different ROM, unfortunately.

I also read that there was an option 005, which extends the frequency range to 24 GHz. Does someone know what option 005 actually was? was it a different sampler, or something that can easily be changed?

Tobias


From: hp_agilent_equipment@... [hp_agilent_equipment@...]
Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2017 04:37
To: hp_agilent_equipment@...
Subject: [hp_agilent_equipment] Re: 5342A: blown sampler?

Hi,

Your measurements with the diode mode suggest the sampler is OK, digital meters don't use the same amount of current to test resistance as older analogue meters and that's the reason you didn't get their readings.


I agree with Steve, you may need to replace a number of the 1826-0371, either on the A8 main VCO, A4 offset VCO or both.


I'd also check the A5 output to see if you're getting drive to the sampler driver and then check the sampler driver A26 itself.


I'd check in that order, check the VCOs are outputting signal, check the A5 to ensure it's outputting a signal toA26 and it should alternate between the two VCOs, then check A26.


To check the sampler driver A26you really need aspectrum analyser. As most spectrum analysers have a capacitor (DC block) in the front end you need to terminate the A26 module with 50 Ohm and then measure what you see ac ross that with the spec an, if you see lots of harmonics then all is good. You will not see anything(apart from the 325MHz drive) without a dc return for the step recovery diode.


If the A26 is not working that could either be the SRD or it could be U1 on the A26 module - I have seen faulty U1 ICs in the past, most likely due to heat - they run very hot.


For the 1826-0371, you can buy fakes/replicas/copies off ebay or do what I do, I make a small smd pcb with 2 x 2sc3356 transistors, 2 x 100 ohm resistors and a 120 ohm resistor in the emitter lead(all smd components)with pins to fit in the DIP footprint. You'll see the schematic for the 1826-0371 on a number of the 5342A schematics. I've not had any issue with my made up boards yet.


If you find it is U1 on the A5 module I can also give you an alternative circuit for that but it is not quite optimised yet andrequires short leads to minimise parasi tics.


Good luck

Greg


Re: Anti Static Vacuum Cleaners

 

Thanks Pete,

Yes, that will fit the bill� exactly what Im looking for!

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From: Peter Loron peterl@... [hp_agilent_equipment]<mailto:hp_agilent_equipment@...>
Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2017 12:57 AM
To: hp_agilent_equipment@...<mailto:hp_agilent_equipment@...>
Subject: Re: [hp_agilent_equipment] Anti Static Vacuum Cleaners



The 3M model 497 is an example of the kind of vacuum you want for this work. They can be had used on eBay for < $100.

-Pete



On Oct 20, 2017, at 20:31, David Smith w6te@...<mailto:w6te@...> [hp_agilent_equipment] <hp_agilent_equipment@...<mailto:hp_agilent_equipment@...>> wrote:



Greetings,

I was working on an HP 438A Power Meter yesterday which was absolutely filthy inside. This thing must have been run 24/7 in a filthy environment over the years. I had to replace the fan, as usual, so I went ahead and pulled the power supply unit out to clean the dust and crap out of it. But, really, there was a layer of thick dust all over the unit.

This got me to thinking� I need a better way of vacuuming and cleaning equipment that comes in that I wont be fearful of damaging the cmos devices. Mind you I have a grounded ESD pad across my bench that equipment sits on when it is being worked on and I always use a grounded wrist band on my wrist. I investigated some handheld vacuum cleaners and discovered a few models that are electrostatically safe. The cost was a bit of a shocker as they sold for around $375 USD!!! (They must be very proud of their equipment.) What are the recommendations of the group for a hand held vacuum cleaner that would be safe to use around sensitive electronic equipment? I dont mind spending $100 or so on something but $375 is a bit out of the question.

Best regards,

Dave W6TE

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Re: Anti Static Vacuum Cleaners

Peter Loron
 

The 3M model 497 is an example of the kind of vacuum you want for this work. They can be had used on eBay for < $100.

-Pete


On Oct 20, 2017, at 20:31, David Smith w6te@... [hp_agilent_equipment] <hp_agilent_equipment@...> wrote:



Greetings,
I was working on an HP 438A Power Meter yesterday which was absolutely filthy inside. This thing must have been run 24/7 in a filthy environment over the years. I had to replace the fan, as usual, so I went ahead and pulled the power supply unit out to clean the dust and crap out of it. But, really, there was a layer of thick dust all over the unit.
This got me to thinking� I need a better way of vacuuming and cleaning equipment that comes in that I won’t be fearful of damaging the cmos devices. Mind you I have a grounded ESD pad across my bench that equipment sits on when it is being worked on and I always use a grounded wrist band on my wrist. I investigated some handheld vacuum cleaners and discovered a few models that are electrostatically safe. The cost was a bit of a shocker as they sold for around $375 USD!!! (They must be very proud of their equipment.) What are the recommendations of the group for a hand held vacuum cleaner that would be safe to use around sensitive electronic equipment? I don’t mind spending $100 or so on something but $375 is a bit out of the question.
Best regards,
Dave W6TE
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