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HP 8595E SA DB-25 RS232 is not functioning.

 

Hi all,

I want to connect my HP 8595E to my PC using the only available port it has, RS232 via a DB-25 connecter (option 023).
As i couldn't find out the correct pinout i managed to make a quick limited teardown, remove the RS232 board and confirm the pinout.

So the pinout I have figured out is as follows:

P1. GND ( It should be the shielding but it's shorted to GND)
P2. is MC1488 Output so it should be the TxD
P3. is SN75189 Input so it should be the RxD
P4. is MC1488 Output so if we follow the universal pinout it may be RTS
P5. is SN75189 Input so if we follow the universal pinout it may be CTS
P6. unconnected
P7. GND
P8. is SN75189 Input? so if we follow the universal pinout it may be DCD
P20. is MC1488 Output so if we follow the universal pinout it may be DTR
?
So following the Programmer's Guide I made the following connections and i gave it a try
?
SA? ? ? ? ? ? ?PC (USB RS232 adapter)
P1. GND? ? ?Unconnected
P2. TxD? ? ? RxD
P3. RxD? ? ? TxD
P4. RTS? ? ? DCD
P5. CTS? ? ? DTR? ?(measured -6V coming from the adapter)
P6. unconnected
P7. GND? ? ?GND
P8. DCD? ? ?RTS
P20. DTR? ?CTS
?
PS. SA is operating RS232 at -11V to +11V while my adapter is operating at -6V to +6V but this shouldn't be the case.
?
But still I don't receive any replies.
?
SA Baud rate is 9600, my RealTerm config is Parity None, Data bits 8, Stop bit 1, No hardware flow control

Does anyone with this option figured out to establish communication with the SA?


Firmware for HP 54200D

 

Hi all. Sorry it has been a while since I have been on here - life, you know, can get in the way of fun sometimes. Anyway, I have been feeling sorry for this puppy for a while and finally bought it to fix up () It is a (rather nice condition, if somewhat vintage) HP 54200D oscilloscope. As received it would not boot at all, freezing on a screen of garbage as shown in the auction photos. I did the usual checking voltages, re-seating things, etc., before suspecting the EPROMs may be starting to loose data. To that end, I read them all out on a universal programmer at several different Vcc voltages, but didn't find any terribly suspicious bits. I have tried repeatedly to find a matching set of images online to compare with and figure out which one of my EPROMs is bad, but all the copies I have found are newer and don't match. I finally burned the newer set of images to EPROMs and tried them in the oscilloscope - it booted right up! However, I would really like to restore it with its correct EPROMs, so I am asking pretty please if anyone here happens to have a similar scope and would be willing to dump the EPROMs. It might save you trouble in the future too! Here are all the images in question:

Mine are 27128 EPROMS labeled 54200-80022 through 54200-80028. The images read from my unit (KNOWN TO CONTAIN ERRORS) are here:


This is the newer set that is pretty widely found online. They are 27C256 EPROMS and are labeled 54200-80029 through 54200-80035. They can be found here:


-Matthew D'Asaro


Re: 8566B attenuator fix

 

It¡¯s pulse drive. There are MM74HC123 dual monostable multivibrators doing the pulsing and the ULN2003A provides the high current drive off of those pulses. I have an issue with some of this on mine but I don¡¯t have a scope at home till Thursday at best :(


Re: 8566B attenuator fix

 

Don -
I did not see any of the leaf switches (which interrupt the current after switching) in this attenuator - do they rely on a current limit to protect the coil or is the drive a pulse ? Did I simply miss something? Is this version of the attenuator more reliable in your opinion?

Cheers!

Bruce

Quoting "Don Bitters via groups.io" <donbitters@...>:

The attenuator drive is on A16 brd. in the RF section. It is a current drive to the solenoids in the attenuator. The attenuator is 10dB, 20dBa, 20dBb, 20dBc sections.

The attenuator steps are:
0dB = bypass all pads
10dB = 10dB in, bypass all 20dB pads
20dB = bypass 10dB pad, 20dBa in, bypass 20dBb, 20dBc pads
30dB = 10dB, 20dBa in, bypass 20dBb, 20dBc pads
40dB = bypass 10dB, 20dBa pads, 20dBb in, 20dB in
50dB = bypass 20dBa, 10dB in, 20dBb in, 20dB in
60dB = bypass 10dB, all 20dB pads in
70dB = all pads in

The pads inside the attenuator are from input to output 10dB, 20dBa, 20dBb, 20dBc.

The truth table is in the RF section manual and on the A16 schematic.

Don Bitters



Re: 8566B attenuator fix

 

The attenuator drive is on A16 brd. in the RF section. It is a current drive to the solenoids in the attenuator. The attenuator is 10dB, 20dBa, 20dBb, 20dBc sections.

The attenuator steps are:
0dB = bypass all pads
10dB = 10dB in, bypass all 20dB pads
20dB = bypass 10dB pad, 20dBa in, bypass 20dBb, 20dBc pads
30dB = 10dB, 20dBa in, bypass 20dBb, 20dBc pads
40dB = bypass 10dB, 20dBa pads, 20dBb in, 20dB in
50dB = bypass 20dBa, 10dB in, 20dBb in, 20dB in
60dB = bypass 10dB, all 20dB pads in
70dB = all pads in

The pads inside the attenuator are from input to output 10dB, 20dBa, 20dBb, 20dBc.

The truth table is in the RF section manual and on the A16 schematic.

Don Bitters


Re: 8490XX step attenuator mating connector

 

Hello JF ,

It is used on the driver cord 11764-60004 ( but I don't have the parts list of this cord... )

73s Eric


Re: 8490XX step attenuator mating connector

 

It looks like IDC - should be easy to find.

Cheers@!

Bruce

Quoting "jfphp via groups.io" <jfphp@...>:

It is rectangular. The Viking connector is for the 4/18 Ghz green old attenuators or the driver box 11713A On Monday, March 13, 2023, 06:30:33 PM GMT+1, Bruce <bruce@...> wrote:

Viking ???? If it is round, it is probably Viking


Quoting "jfphp via groups.io" <jfphp@...>:

Hello,
I am looking for the commercial brand/reference of the female 10?
pins dip female connector mating the male connector of the step?
attenuator.
Thank you.













Re: 8490XX step attenuator mating connector

 

I think that is an IDC header connector 10 pin with 2.54mm pitch.
Can you measure the distance between pins?

On 13/03/2023 18:44, jfphp via groups.io wrote:
It is rectangular. The Viking connector is for the 4/18 Ghz green old
attenuators or the driver box 11713A


Re: 8490XX step attenuator mating connector

 

It is rectangular. The Viking connector is for the 4/18 Ghz green old attenuators or the driver box 11713A
On Monday, March 13, 2023, 06:30:33 PM GMT+1, Bruce <bruce@...> wrote:


Viking ???? If it is round, it is probably Viking


Quoting "jfphp via groups.io" <jfphp@...>:

> Hello,
> I am looking for the commercial brand/reference of the female 10?
> pins dip female connector mating the male connector of the step?
> attenuator.
> Thank you.
>
>
>









Re: 8490XX step attenuator mating connector

 

Viking ??? If it is round, it is probably Viking


Quoting "jfphp via groups.io" <jfphp@...>:

Hello,
I am looking for the commercial brand/reference of the female 10 pins dip female connector mating the male connector of the step attenuator.
Thank you.



Re: Tracking Generator Board 5062-8282 CLIP

 

I have a CLIP for the 5062-8232 LODA control, and the 5063-0635 Tracking generator control.

They are both part of the 8590E-L-CLIP scan that I purchased from Artek media.

Talk to them I'm sure they can help. ?

The scans they sell are worth the money, better than anything you will find at Keysight or other 'free' places...


HP 85865B Signal Monitoring Software for HP 8566B, 8567A, 8568B, 71000 Modular Series, and 8562A Portable

 

Hello all,
I am new here and this will be my first post. I discovered the beauty of HP meters a few years ago. Since then I have built up a collection. I want to control my devices via HP-IB and I use a HP85B with EBTKS card. Now I have a HP9000/310 and I am looking for the HP 85865B signal monitoring software for my HP8568B and HP8566B. I would put the HP catalog page in the attachment.?
?
Who knows this software and maybe still has original disks?
?
In general I am interested in any software for HP devices.
?
Thanks and many greetings
Rudolf
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8490XX step attenuator mating connector

 

Hello,
I am looking for the commercial brand/reference of the female 10 pins dip female connector mating the male connector of the step attenuator.
Thank you.


Re: 5086-7337 *Yig Oscillator issue*

 

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Hi do you have the service manual with the ?CCT¡¯s ???

If not you will find the A version in the files on this site including the CCT

By the way you are working on an A version are all the parts you have used for an A version

I don¡¯t think it is an issue but worth checking

?

From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of RubenRubio
Sent: 13 March 2023 09:37
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [HP-Agilent-Keysight-equipment] 5086-7337 *Yig Oscillator issue*

?

I made this plugin out ot two separated parts sets: one comprises everything but A1, A2, keyboard and front panel. The second set includes the boards and mechanical parts I needed to complete the puzzle plus some extra chassis parts, SYTM, PMI and other microcircuits, also extra A3 board without ROMs and A10 motherboard.

My point is that the YO comes with it's appropiate resistors in A8, I've checked that.

Paul: I uploaded the OSM that I have, don't know what CCT or those aligner PCBs are, sorry.

As I told in the earlier posts in this very thread, there's is no output?neither on the auxiliary output nor on the direct output of the oscillator. And the signal and supplies are present in the YO board test points.?In my eagerness to check the whole set, I have referred back to the YO driver.?

I'll read the manual again looking for that mA/Hz table and more troubleshooting info. Also redundant check to be sure.

Regards,
Ruben

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Re: 5086-7337 *Yig Oscillator issue*

 

When I was about 22 I rebuilt a 8620 Sweeper that arrived in kit form then found a 2 to 18 Ghz plug in
Option HO so it went to 22 Ghz so this was more difficult to set up and took several days to get working
having to set up the 2 yig driver borders please note the borders where originally matched the yigs in the unit

NB the sweeper mainframe power supply must be within the limits including the ripple before you set up any Yigs

so sorry the answer to your question could the wrong yig driver PCB stop the yig from working is YES
concentrating on the master yig you have to go through the set up procedure when this is working to within specification limits you can go onto the multiplier chain
HP supplied the replacement yig for the 18 Ghz plug in used in the 8620 it came with a new driver PCB also a new SOT resistor for the FM modulation sensitivity

-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Bruce
Sent: 13 March 2023 02:33
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [HP-Agilent-Keysight-equipment] 5086-7337 *Yig Oscillator issue*

Paul -
In your opinion - Would the difference between boards be enough to cause no output?

Cheers!

Bruce

Quoting Paul Bicknell <admin@...>:

Hi Ruben



I thought I asked this question but apparently not on looking at the
history , sorry if I am going over old ground

You have made the unit out of 2 units and no output on the Aux socket
on the back panel the big question hear again from memory

But is the yig PCB the matching one for the yig in the sweeper as they
are individually set to the yig and as a service item supplied as PCB
and YIG together

When you have the Maine yig giving output

There should be a lineariser PCB with lots of pots on it this should
be the yig multiplier PCB again you MUST have the matching board as
they are individually set up to the Yig

The PCB can be realigned but it could take about 3 hours the first
time you do it with all the messing about with fixed resisters etc

I assume you have the Full Service manual including CCT



From: [email protected]
[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of
RubenRubio
Sent: 19 February 2023 12:18
To: [email protected]
Subject: [HP-Agilent-Keysight-equipment] 5086-7337 *Yig Oscillator
issue*



Hello everyone!

Although this topic belongs to my 8350B restoration thread I did
almost a year ago, I want to imprint some relevance. Shortly, my 8350B
mainframe doesn¡¯t have main transformer. Instead of that I feed it
with three external sources.

These days I managed to get a 83592A plugin in two separated parts
sets. I have put them together and after some power supply issues
(classic shorted tantalum), there¡¯s no errors displayed. But no RF
coming out. Unleveled LED lits in the front panel. Also no RF at the
rear aux output, nor at the exit of YO itself (God shake! it¡¯s tricky
to access microcircuits!).

Following the signal path and troubleshooting notes on the manual, I
check that the +5, +20, -40 supplies for the YO are present. Also the
ON -10 volt signal and the M composite signal on scope. At first
glance, G bias signal (which should be -2 volt) was almost 0. I check
the associated components and after turning a pot, -2 volt come back.

Still no signal at the output of the oscillator :(

Is there any other way to check the YO before officially declaring it dead?

Regards,
Ruben






File /3D RP files/HP TYPE II FRONT FOOT.STEP uploaded #file-notice

Group Notification
 

The following files and folders have been uploaded to the Files area of the [email protected] group.

By: ChrisBeee <chrisbeee@...>

Description:
This file can be used to print your own Hewlett Packard Type II front feet. This file is a metric 1:1 model, please consider material shrinkage when using your specific material!


Type II front foot

 

I created a CAD model of the Type II front foot and added it to the files section (added the '3D RP files' folder and placed it there). A rear foot model (minus the rubber insert) will follow soon.
Chris


Re: 5086-7337 *Yig Oscillator issue*

 

I made this plugin out ot two separated parts sets: one comprises everything but A1, A2, keyboard and front panel. The second set includes the boards and mechanical parts I needed to complete the puzzle plus some extra chassis parts, SYTM, PMI and other microcircuits, also extra A3 board without ROMs and A10 motherboard.

My point is that the YO comes with it's appropiate resistors in A8, I've checked that.

Paul: I uploaded the OSM that I have, don't know what CCT or those aligner PCBs are, sorry.

As I told in the earlier posts in this very thread, there's is no output?neither on the auxiliary output nor on the direct output of the oscillator. And the signal and supplies are present in the YO board test points.?In my eagerness to check the whole set, I have referred back to the YO driver.?

I'll read the manual again looking for that mA/Hz table and more troubleshooting info. Also redundant check to be sure.

Regards,
Ruben


Re: Agilent E3610A Operator Faux Pas or Production Change

 

Unfortunately this video is 11 years old so possibly too late but Dave at EEVblog had the unit you need and vice versa:?
His power supply had a Magtek 9100-4959.? You could have made a swap, except for that cost of shipping problem.? Thought the video might be entertaining if it hasn't already been mentioned.

Clay


Re: 5086-7337 *Yig Oscillator issue*

 

Paul -
In your opinion - Would the difference between boards be enough to cause no output?

Cheers!

Bruce

Quoting Paul Bicknell <admin@...>:

Hi Ruben



I thought I asked this question but apparently not on looking at the history , sorry if I am going over old ground

You have made the unit out of 2 units and no output on the Aux socket on the back panel the big question hear again from memory

But is the yig PCB the matching one for the yig in the sweeper as they are individually set to the yig and as a service item supplied as PCB and YIG together

When you have the Maine yig giving output

There should be a lineariser PCB with lots of pots on it this should be the yig multiplier PCB again you MUST have the matching board as they are individually set up to the Yig

The PCB can be realigned but it could take about 3 hours the first time you do it with all the messing about with fixed resisters etc

I assume you have the Full Service manual including CCT



From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of RubenRubio
Sent: 19 February 2023 12:18
To: [email protected]
Subject: [HP-Agilent-Keysight-equipment] 5086-7337 *Yig Oscillator issue*



Hello everyone!

Although this topic belongs to my 8350B restoration thread I did almost a year ago, I want to imprint some relevance. Shortly, my 8350B mainframe doesn¡¯t have main transformer. Instead of that I feed it with three external sources.

These days I managed to get a 83592A plugin in two separated parts sets. I have put them together and after some power supply issues (classic shorted tantalum), there¡¯s no errors displayed. But no RF coming out. Unleveled LED lits in the front panel. Also no RF at the rear aux output, nor at the exit of YO itself (God shake! it¡¯s tricky to access microcircuits!).

Following the signal path and troubleshooting notes on the manual, I check that the +5, +20, -40 supplies for the YO are present. Also the ON -10 volt signal and the M composite signal on scope. At first glance, G bias signal (which should be -2 volt) was almost 0. I check the associated components and after turning a pot, -2 volt come back.

Still no signal at the output of the oscillator :(

Is there any other way to check the YO before officially declaring it dead?

Regards,
Ruben