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Re: Agilent 3458A Troubleshooting

 

Hi George,

Well the good news is that it is something basic rather than something (as yet) complicated.... :)

Another vote here for xDevs site & EEVblog?forum threads. I assume you've done a complete check for power & toasted components. Double check that everything is plugged in where it should be (say, by comparison with say xDevs images) - and that all the cables and sockets seem good. Particularly those to the digital board and display (and check the display voltage too) - it sounds like it's not even starting its boot sequence properly.

If not socketed already, I agree with your intuition, and would desolder, read and then socket the Dallas rams and ROMs. Compare ROMs against known good and also see if you can get any data out of the Dallas rams - I would think you have more than a 50/50 chance. You may want to change the electrolytics while you're there - a list is on my site:?

You don't say much about the provenance - maybe there isn't any, but maybe you can get a few clues? Re: 'but someone has maintained over the years' - hmmm, I think I might take all the boards out and give both sides a good look under a magnifier to see if you can see whether any detail work has been done already. Great care with fingerprint contamination of the analogue board of course. A swap with a known good digital board would be a helpful and quick diagnosis aid if you can borrow one. All the manuals, including schematics, are out there as pdfs, of course.

Ah, you're in Sydney! - I think there's a good chance EEVblog Dave could help a lot in person :) From (hazy) memory I think he has a 3458a or two to compare with / test against.

Alan


Re: BS, was Re: [HP-Agilent-Keysight-equipment] Spread the word -- Swap Meet Returns!

 

While I am younger, I also used a wood burning tool for soldering a few times.? My soldering iron had been taken away as punishment for something (I no longer recall), and I had a project I wanted to finish...? it didn't have a proper tinned tip, of course, but worked well and became my backup iron.? I still don't understand the appeal of charring wood!

-Dave

On Sunday, March 20, 2022, 09:57:23 PM PDT, John kolb <jlkolb@...> wrote:



Young punk kids :)? In 1957 I was soldering using the tool from my wood
burning set.

John? 1942


On 3/20/2022 8:33 AM, John Griessen wrote:
>
> On 3/20/22 04:51, Paul Bicknell wrote:
>> Hi
>> wasn't the EE20 the ad on set with speaker and a lot more components
>> wish I still had it as it was an inspiration for lots my age into
>> electronics
>
> I had one of the beginner sets from Philips also when I was 7 or 8 in
> Beaumont Texas.? I'm 1957 vintage also.
>
>
>
>
>
>






Re: BS, was Re: [HP-Agilent-Keysight-equipment] Spread the word -- Swap Meet Returns!

 

My first real soldering tool was a Weller 8200 soldering gun , in its carry case. I bought it before I turned 13 to repair raids and TVs in the mid '60s. I had a wood burner but the tips were too big to use on most electronics because you would burn wires. It was followed by an ENDEVCO desoldering iron a few months later. I still have the gun.
I next bought a Weller SP23, and a SP175 to solder the mounting rings of tube sockets to a brass chassis for an RF amp. Since then I've used many other irons, and an oxyacetylene torch to solder the 3" copper pipes in an RCA TV transmitter. Some idiot tried to fix a leak by brazing the pipe to the brass fittings. I had fun fixing that, since they were custom made and nearly 40 years old. I used 99.5% tin, .5% antimony solder. I tinned the ends of the pipe and inside the brass first, to ensure no leaks. That solder had a mirror finish. :)

I couldn't get spare tips for the SP23 while stationed in Alaska, so I asked the Base engineers for some scrap welding rod and to borrow a die and the handle to thread it. A very large pair of dykes gave a decent chisel tip. That was almost 50 years ago and I still have a couple of those tips. Solder doesn't eat brass like it does pure copper.


On Mon, Mar 21, 2022 at 12:57 AM John kolb <jlkolb@...> wrote:

Young punk kids :)? In 1957 I was soldering using the tool from my wood
burning set.

John? 1942

On 3/20/2022 8:33 AM, John Griessen wrote:
>
> On 3/20/22 04:51, Paul Bicknell wrote:
>> Hi
>> wasn't the EE20 the ad on set with speaker and a lot more components
>> wish I still had it as it was an inspiration for lots my age into
>> electronics
>
> I had one of the beginner sets from Philips also when I was 7 or 8 in
> Beaumont Texas.? I'm 1957 vintage also.
>
>
>
>
>
>






Re: BS, was Re: [HP-Agilent-Keysight-equipment] Spread the word -- Swap Meet Returns!

 

Young punk kids :) In 1957 I was soldering using the tool from my wood burning set.

John 1942

On 3/20/2022 8:33 AM, John Griessen wrote:
On 3/20/22 04:51, Paul Bicknell wrote:
Hi
wasn't the EE20 the ad on set with speaker and a lot more components
wish I still had it as it was an inspiration for lots my age into electronics
I had one of the beginner sets from Philips also when I was 7 or 8 in Beaumont Texas.? I'm 1957 vintage also.


Re: Protecting Equipment

 

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Yes, they are because the inductors in the LISN can generate some nasty spikes when device power is cycled.

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Most conducted EMC specs cut off at 30 MHz, or at least did up to the last time I worked in that area about 10 years ago.

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Tom, N8ZM

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From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Lothar baier
Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2022 10:14 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [HP-Agilent-Keysight-equipment] Protecting Equipment

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Those are transient limiters that are especially designed for this purpose , usually they only cover to 30 or 100MHz t match the frequency range of the LISN ( I only have seen the ones made by ETS that went to 100MHz not sure if they make higher frequency ones )

As far as the limiter itself concerns usually one attenuator of 3Db is used on the input followed by a diode limiter which is followed by another attenuator and then another ?limiter .

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From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of n8zmTWH via groups.io
Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2022 8:22 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [HP-Agilent-Keysight-equipment] Protecting Equipment

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Limiters are very commonly recommended for Conducted Immunity testing in EMC labs where the Spec An input comes from the Line Impedance Stabilization Network (LISN) because the turn on/off transients can be quite high. The levels expected to be measured typically should be much less than the distortion level of the limiter. The recommended limiter in this case actually has an intentional 10 dB insertion loss.

?

Tom, N8ZM

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From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Lothar baier
Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2022 9:03 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [HP-Agilent-Keysight-equipment] Protecting Equipment

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A few words about limiters ,

Generally limiters are used in systems to protect receivers usually in RADAR or EW applications ,? in test systems the use of limiters s usually frowned upon ( with very few exceptions)? and for good reason !

First of there is a cost penalty that is not insignificant , the cost for a connectorized limiter usually starts at about $600 and can go up into the $2K range .

Limiters also degrade VSWR and add additional system loss .

But the by far biggest problem is that limiters are non linear devices and as such excellent harmonics generators , harmonics will start to occur before the limiter hits the hard threshold and worsens as the power increases so if you put one in front a spectrum analyzer you have to be cautious not to end up with tst results that are worse than they actually are

?

From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Jim Ford via groups.io
Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2022 2:53 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [HP-Agilent-Keysight-equipment] Protecting Equipment

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Mini-Circuits sells limiters as well as DC blocks, but they only go up to 8 GHz.? Not sure about the price, but they are most likely competitive.? Assuming you actually need one.

?

Jim Ford

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------ Original Message ------

From: "Matt Huszagh" <huszaghmatt@...>

Sent: 3/20/2022 6:52:14 AM

Subject: Re: [HP-Agilent-Keysight-equipment] Protecting Equipment

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It's worth adding that a DC block only provides some measure of safety. The ramp up voltage of a DC signal is an AC signal and can pass right through your series cap. If you look at DC blocking filter designs like the HP 3048A option K23, there's a limiter after the series cap. It seems like the "right" devices for this sort of thing are RF power limiters. Unfortunately, the cost of many of these devices new from reputable manufacturers probably matches or exceeds what many people paid for their second-hand spectrum analyzer. Maybe there are good second-hand market options, but I haven't looked into to it. If you want something to reliably protect a low frequency SA, that shouldn't be too hard to design and build. But, if you want to get the full 22 GHz range out of your 8566, I expect that wouldn't be so easy.


Re: Youtube video HP service center in the 90th

 

If you look at the bottom edge of the video, it shows a timing error that flashes in time with the vertical jitter.

On Thu, Mar 17, 2022 at 4:42 PM Dave_G0WBX via <g8kbvdave=[email protected]> wrote:
Amazing how the video bounces up/down in time with the music! Almost as
if it was supposed to do that.

Regards.

???? Dave B.

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Re: Protecting Equipment

Lothar baier
 

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Those are transient limiters that are especially designed for this purpose , usually they only cover to 30 or 100MHz t match the frequency range of the LISN ( I only have seen the ones made by ETS that went to 100MHz not sure if they make higher frequency ones )

As far as the limiter itself concerns usually one attenuator of 3Db is used on the input followed by a diode limiter which is followed by another attenuator and then another ?limiter .

?

?

From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of n8zmTWH via groups.io
Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2022 8:22 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [HP-Agilent-Keysight-equipment] Protecting Equipment

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Limiters are very commonly recommended for Conducted Immunity testing in EMC labs where the Spec An input comes from the Line Impedance Stabilization Network (LISN) because the turn on/off transients can be quite high. The levels expected to be measured typically should be much less than the distortion level of the limiter. The recommended limiter in this case actually has an intentional 10 dB insertion loss.

?

Tom, N8ZM

?

From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Lothar baier
Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2022 9:03 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [HP-Agilent-Keysight-equipment] Protecting Equipment

?

A few words about limiters ,

Generally limiters are used in systems to protect receivers usually in RADAR or EW applications ,? in test systems the use of limiters s usually frowned upon ( with very few exceptions)? and for good reason !

First of there is a cost penalty that is not insignificant , the cost for a connectorized limiter usually starts at about $600 and can go up into the $2K range .

Limiters also degrade VSWR and add additional system loss .

But the by far biggest problem is that limiters are non linear devices and as such excellent harmonics generators , harmonics will start to occur before the limiter hits the hard threshold and worsens as the power increases so if you put one in front a spectrum analyzer you have to be cautious not to end up with tst results that are worse than they actually are

?

From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Jim Ford via groups.io
Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2022 2:53 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [HP-Agilent-Keysight-equipment] Protecting Equipment

?

Mini-Circuits sells limiters as well as DC blocks, but they only go up to 8 GHz.? Not sure about the price, but they are most likely competitive.? Assuming you actually need one.

?

Jim Ford

?

------ Original Message ------

From: "Matt Huszagh" <huszaghmatt@...>

Sent: 3/20/2022 6:52:14 AM

Subject: Re: [HP-Agilent-Keysight-equipment] Protecting Equipment

?

It's worth adding that a DC block only provides some measure of safety. The ramp up voltage of a DC signal is an AC signal and can pass right through your series cap. If you look at DC blocking filter designs like the HP 3048A option K23, there's a limiter after the series cap. It seems like the "right" devices for this sort of thing are RF power limiters. Unfortunately, the cost of many of these devices new from reputable manufacturers probably matches or exceeds what many people paid for their second-hand spectrum analyzer. Maybe there are good second-hand market options, but I haven't looked into to it. If you want something to reliably protect a low frequency SA, that shouldn't be too hard to design and build. But, if you want to get the full 22 GHz range out of your 8566, I expect that wouldn't be so easy.


Re: Protecting Equipment

 

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I mis-spoke. I meant Conducted Emissions. Sorry.

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Tom, N8ZM

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From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of n8zmTWH@...
Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2022 9:22 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [HP-Agilent-Keysight-equipment] Protecting Equipment

?

Limiters are very commonly recommended for Conducted Immunity testing in EMC labs where the Spec An input comes from the Line Impedance Stabilization Network (LISN) because the turn on/off transients can be quite high. The levels expected to be measured typically should be much less than the distortion level of the limiter. The recommended limiter in this case actually has an intentional 10 dB insertion loss.

?

Tom, N8ZM

?

From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Lothar baier
Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2022 9:03 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [HP-Agilent-Keysight-equipment] Protecting Equipment

?

A few words about limiters ,

Generally limiters are used in systems to protect receivers usually in RADAR or EW applications ,? in test systems the use of limiters s usually frowned upon ( with very few exceptions)? and for good reason !

First of there is a cost penalty that is not insignificant , the cost for a connectorized limiter usually starts at about $600 and can go up into the $2K range .

Limiters also degrade VSWR and add additional system loss .

But the by far biggest problem is that limiters are non linear devices and as such excellent harmonics generators , harmonics will start to occur before the limiter hits the hard threshold and worsens as the power increases so if you put one in front a spectrum analyzer you have to be cautious not to end up with tst results that are worse than they actually are

?

From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Jim Ford via groups.io
Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2022 2:53 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [HP-Agilent-Keysight-equipment] Protecting Equipment

?

Mini-Circuits sells limiters as well as DC blocks, but they only go up to 8 GHz.? Not sure about the price, but they are most likely competitive.? Assuming you actually need one.

?

Jim Ford

?

------ Original Message ------

From: "Matt Huszagh" <huszaghmatt@...>

Sent: 3/20/2022 6:52:14 AM

Subject: Re: [HP-Agilent-Keysight-equipment] Protecting Equipment

?

It's worth adding that a DC block only provides some measure of safety. The ramp up voltage of a DC signal is an AC signal and can pass right through your series cap. If you look at DC blocking filter designs like the HP 3048A option K23, there's a limiter after the series cap. It seems like the "right" devices for this sort of thing are RF power limiters. Unfortunately, the cost of many of these devices new from reputable manufacturers probably matches or exceeds what many people paid for their second-hand spectrum analyzer. Maybe there are good second-hand market options, but I haven't looked into to it. If you want something to reliably protect a low frequency SA, that shouldn't be too hard to design and build. But, if you want to get the full 22 GHz range out of your 8566, I expect that wouldn't be so easy.


Re: Protecting Equipment

 

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Limiters are very commonly recommended for Conducted Immunity testing in EMC labs where the Spec An input comes from the Line Impedance Stabilization Network (LISN) because the turn on/off transients can be quite high. The levels expected to be measured typically should be much less than the distortion level of the limiter. The recommended limiter in this case actually has an intentional 10 dB insertion loss.

?

Tom, N8ZM

?

From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Lothar baier
Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2022 9:03 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [HP-Agilent-Keysight-equipment] Protecting Equipment

?

A few words about limiters ,

Generally limiters are used in systems to protect receivers usually in RADAR or EW applications ,? in test systems the use of limiters s usually frowned upon ( with very few exceptions)? and for good reason !

First of there is a cost penalty that is not insignificant , the cost for a connectorized limiter usually starts at about $600 and can go up into the $2K range .

Limiters also degrade VSWR and add additional system loss .

But the by far biggest problem is that limiters are non linear devices and as such excellent harmonics generators , harmonics will start to occur before the limiter hits the hard threshold and worsens as the power increases so if you put one in front a spectrum analyzer you have to be cautious not to end up with tst results that are worse than they actually are

?

From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Jim Ford via groups.io
Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2022 2:53 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [HP-Agilent-Keysight-equipment] Protecting Equipment

?

Mini-Circuits sells limiters as well as DC blocks, but they only go up to 8 GHz.? Not sure about the price, but they are most likely competitive.? Assuming you actually need one.

?

Jim Ford

?

------ Original Message ------

From: "Matt Huszagh" <huszaghmatt@...>

Sent: 3/20/2022 6:52:14 AM

Subject: Re: [HP-Agilent-Keysight-equipment] Protecting Equipment

?

It's worth adding that a DC block only provides some measure of safety. The ramp up voltage of a DC signal is an AC signal and can pass right through your series cap. If you look at DC blocking filter designs like the HP 3048A option K23, there's a limiter after the series cap. It seems like the "right" devices for this sort of thing are RF power limiters. Unfortunately, the cost of many of these devices new from reputable manufacturers probably matches or exceeds what many people paid for their second-hand spectrum analyzer. Maybe there are good second-hand market options, but I haven't looked into to it. If you want something to reliably protect a low frequency SA, that shouldn't be too hard to design and build. But, if you want to get the full 22 GHz range out of your 8566, I expect that wouldn't be so easy.


Re: Protecting Equipment

Lothar baier
 

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A few words about limiters ,

Generally limiters are used in systems to protect receivers usually in RADAR or EW applications ,? in test systems the use of limiters s usually frowned upon ( with very few exceptions)? and for good reason !

First of there is a cost penalty that is not insignificant , the cost for a connectorized limiter usually starts at about $600 and can go up into the $2K range .

Limiters also degrade VSWR and add additional system loss .

But the by far biggest problem is that limiters are non linear devices and as such excellent harmonics generators , harmonics will start to occur before the limiter hits the hard threshold and worsens as the power increases so if you put one in front a spectrum analyzer you have to be cautious not to end up with tst results that are worse than they actually are

?

From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Jim Ford via groups.io
Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2022 2:53 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [HP-Agilent-Keysight-equipment] Protecting Equipment

?

Mini-Circuits sells limiters as well as DC blocks, but they only go up to 8 GHz.? Not sure about the price, but they are most likely competitive.? Assuming you actually need one.

?

Jim Ford

?

------ Original Message ------

From: "Matt Huszagh" <huszaghmatt@...>

Sent: 3/20/2022 6:52:14 AM

Subject: Re: [HP-Agilent-Keysight-equipment] Protecting Equipment

?

It's worth adding that a DC block only provides some measure of safety. The ramp up voltage of a DC signal is an AC signal and can pass right through your series cap. If you look at DC blocking filter designs like the HP 3048A option K23, there's a limiter after the series cap. It seems like the "right" devices for this sort of thing are RF power limiters. Unfortunately, the cost of many of these devices new from reputable manufacturers probably matches or exceeds what many people paid for their second-hand spectrum analyzer. Maybe there are good second-hand market options, but I haven't looked into to it. If you want something to reliably protect a low frequency SA, that shouldn't be too hard to design and build. But, if you want to get the full 22 GHz range out of your 8566, I expect that wouldn't be so easy.


Re: BS, was Re: [HP-Agilent-Keysight-equipment] Spread the word -- Swap Meet Returns!

 

I had one of these from International Rectifier back in the mid 60's.
https://www.worthpoint.com/worthopedia/ir-international-rectifier-solar-1810736590


Re: 8516A cable question

Lothar baier
 

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Yes that should work fine !

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From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Willy via groups.io
Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2022 6:04 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [HP-Agilent-Keysight-equipment] 8516A cable question

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07 APR 92 shows up on the right display of my 8340B, SN is 3050A. Is this new enough?


Re: HP 54522A - risetime measurement vs. graticule readings

 

Here is the attachment.?


On Sun, Mar 20, 2022 at 5:09 PM Radu Bogdan Dicher via <vondicher=[email protected]> wrote:
Hi all,
Working on aligning another instrument last night, my scope - which I typically find extremely reliable for all the readings it's able to perform (from voltage/level to time-based and everything in between) - has been giving me some confusing readings. I could use some community "sanity checks" on my thinking here, please.?

Per enclosed scope screenshot (coming up), the rising segment of this triangular wave (which triggers a VCOs period) is in my book (per graticules indication) 120ms. And yet, the scope sees that as a 32.35ms risetime wave. The scope reading was rather fluctuating, but at no point coming even close to the 120ms I'd expect. Please note the period reading seems to be correct.?

Given the information presented on the image, when I was doing this last night, I decided to ignore the "risetime" reading and execute the adjustment I was required (120ms sweep time) as the image shows it.?

What could be going on here?.... Am I looking at this wrong? Or shall I start worrying that my scope is beginning to exhibit some sort of illness?

Thank you.?
Radu.?


HP 54522A - risetime measurement vs. graticule readings

 

Hi all,
Working on aligning another instrument last night, my scope - which I typically find extremely reliable for all the readings it's able to perform (from voltage/level to time-based and everything in between) - has been giving me some confusing readings. I could use some community "sanity checks" on my thinking here, please.?

Per enclosed scope screenshot (coming up), the rising segment of this triangular wave (which triggers a VCOs period) is in my book (per graticules indication) 120ms. And yet, the scope sees that as a 32.35ms risetime wave. The scope reading was rather fluctuating, but at no point coming even close to the 120ms I'd expect. Please note the period reading seems to be correct.?

Given the information presented on the image, when I was doing this last night, I decided to ignore the "risetime" reading and execute the adjustment I was required (120ms sweep time) as the image shows it.?

What could be going on here?.... Am I looking at this wrong? Or shall I start worrying that my scope is beginning to exhibit some sort of illness?

Thank you.?
Radu.?


Re: 8516A cable question

 

07 APR 92 shows up on the right display of my 8340B, SN is 3050A. Is this new enough?


Re: Agilent 3458A Troubleshooting

 

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Many thanks Matt. I will take a look.

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Cheers,

George

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From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Matt Huszagh
Sent: Monday, 21 March 2022 12:06 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [HP-Agilent-Keysight-equipment] Agilent 3458A Troubleshooting

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If you haven't seen it yet, Illya Tsemenko (xDevs) has done extensive work on these machines and documented the process thoroughly. See for example . I think there are other posts too.

Good luck.
Matt


Re: BS, was Re: [HP-Agilent-Keysight-equipment] Spread the word -- Swap Meet Returns!

 

Yep, I've used ferric chloride, and one of the disadvantages was that the etch product (copper chloride?) is dark and opaque and collects over the copper being etched. So agitation is in order, so that you can 1) see that the etching process is progressing, and 2) prevent the etch product from slowing or stopping the etching process. I'd heard of people putting marbles in the bottom of the etch tank and putting the board to be etched upside-down so that the etch product just falls off the board. But you can't easily monitor the process.

And monitoring is necessary; my first attempt back in the late 1980's failed because I had bad etchant. I left it sit with a heater under the tank for at least 10 hours while I went to work at my day job, and it didn't etch at all. Got another bottle of ferric chloride, and the second attempt was done in about 10 minutes. With some bumps every few seconds to move the etch product off the board.

IIRC, I diluted the waste in the tank with lots of cold water and poured it down the toilet.

Jim Ford

------ Original Message ------
From: "Lothar baier" <Lothar@...>
To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]>
Sent: 3/20/2022 2:21:46 PM
Subject: Re: BS, was Re: [HP-Agilent-Keysight-equipment] Spread the word -- Swap Meet Returns!

Ferric cloride wasn¡¯t used commercially for PCB making in Germany probably because of the potential impact on worker health but also because it was pretty aggressive, most companies used ammonia persulfate compositions one advantage of the stuff was that it was transparent so you were able to watch the progress of the etching.
One company I remember we visited back when i was in trade school used a spray etch line which was pretty cool to watch
On Mar 20, 2022, at 12:36, greenboxmaven via groups.io <ka2ivy@...> wrote:

?I used to think mean cruel mangement was unique to the Syracuse area. A friend went to dental offices asking for their old X-ray photo chemicals. 99% of them not only refused, they were actually furious at him for asking. They insisted on pouring it down the sewer, which did not help our already overloaded treatment plant. The silver residue was very toxic to the bacteria used to digest the sewage. Those of us working in consumer electronics sweatshops didn't fare any better. There would be massive amounts of abandoned equipment in attics and back rooms, yet the shop owners would not allow us to take it home or even buy it. It was always VERY curious that when I went on vacation and returned, they had decided while I was gone was just the time to clean out the junk room. By the late 70s, almost all of us had escaped to far better careers and the sweatshops were out of business.

Bruce Gentry, KA2IVY





They certainly do recycle the copper!
I presented the information to the VP of the company, and
he said no. The etchant tank had a plastic garden hose
fitting at its bottom, so I told him that I was willing
to fill the old carboys, with a garden hose, and even work
for free, as we used at least one carboy per day, which
exceeded my hourly pay... He said no...

I guess he liked pouring money down the drain for some
reason.

-Chuck Harris




Was it possible to recycle the copper removed by these etchants?

Bruce Gentry, KA2IVY




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Re: BS, was Re: [HP-Agilent-Keysight-equipment] Spread the word -- Swap Meet Returns!

 

Hmmm... I assume these stories come from before the lawyers took over everything and avoiding liability became the number one priority. Strange...

Jim Ford

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I used to think mean cruel mangement was unique to the Syracuse area. A friend went to dental offices asking for their old X-ray photo chemicals. 99% of them not only refused, they were actually furious at him for asking. They insisted on pouring it down the sewer, which did not help our already overloaded treatment plant. The silver residue was very toxic to the bacteria used to digest the sewage. Those of us working in consumer electronics sweatshops didn't fare any better. There would be massive amounts of abandoned equipment in attics and back rooms, yet the shop owners would not allow us to take it home or even buy it. It was always VERY curious that when I went on vacation and returned, they had decided while I was gone was just the time to clean out the junk room. By the late 70s, almost all of us had escaped to far better careers and the sweatshops were out of business.

Bruce Gentry, KA2IVY





They certainly do recycle the copper!
I presented the information to the VP of the company, and
he said no. The etchant tank had a plastic garden hose
fitting at its bottom, so I told him that I was willing
to fill the old carboys, with a garden hose, and even work
for free, as we used at least one carboy per day, which
exceeded my hourly pay... He said no...

I guess he liked pouring money down the drain for some
reason.

-Chuck Harris




Was it possible to recycle the copper removed by these etchants?

Bruce Gentry, KA2IVY




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Re: Protecting Equipment

 

Mini-Circuits sells limiters as well as DC blocks, but they only go up to 8 GHz.? Not sure about the price, but they are most likely competitive.? Assuming you actually need one.

Jim Ford

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From: "Matt Huszagh" <huszaghmatt@...>
Sent: 3/20/2022 6:52:14 AM
Subject: Re: [HP-Agilent-Keysight-equipment] Protecting Equipment

It's worth adding that a DC block only provides some measure of safety. The ramp up voltage of a DC signal is an AC signal and can pass right through your series cap. If you look at DC blocking filter designs like the HP 3048A option K23, there's a limiter after the series cap. It seems like the "right" devices for this sort of thing are RF power limiters. Unfortunately, the cost of many of these devices new from reputable manufacturers probably matches or exceeds what many people paid for their second-hand spectrum analyzer. Maybe there are good second-hand market options, but I haven't looked into to it. If you want something to reliably protect a low frequency SA, that shouldn't be too hard to design and build. But, if you want to get the full 22 GHz range out of your 8566, I expect that wouldn't be so easy.


Re: ESG-DP E4437B Signal Generation Issue

 

Hi guys,

Thanks for the replies.? I have had some health issues for a while, and won't even feel up to working on my unit for a week or two.? When I do, I'm going to solder a couple pieces of RG174 with SMA's, and take a look at the input and output of the divider with my SA.? Hopefully, this will let me know that in fact the divider is the problem.

Again, Thanks,

73,
Tom -- KJ6SVS --