Re: Performance verification on a HP8510C
Hi Steve,
Thanks for highlighting the requirements. I guess I was hoping
for a more modern solution. Unfortunately it seems the commercial
HTBasic package is the only option in that sense. At least I have
not found indications otherwise. I better first get hold of the
software disks and see if I can figure out what they do.
Best regards,
Job
PH4AS
On 03-12-2020 09:24, Steve Cheng wrote:
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Hi Job,
Please check sect 8 of following 8510 service manual, I think you
can find all info you need in it. (if following link does not
work, you can try google "HP 8510C Service.pdf"
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Re: Performance verification on a HP8510C
Job,
Were in the Netherlands do you live?
I've several 9000 systems.
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Re: Repairing flat high voltage ribbon used in HP displays
Hello Toby,
I had exactly the same problem on the CRT of my 181A oscilloscope. I repaired it by putting the delaminated flex cable together with some 2-part epoxy. While the epoxy is curing, it is vitally important to pinch the cable as thin and as flat as possible, so that it remains flexible. I held it with two pieces of cardboard, secured in a vice.
I hope this helps !
Joel
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Re: Performance verification on a HP8510C
Hi Job,
Please check sect 8 of following 8510 service manual, I think you can find all info you need in it. (if following link does not work, you can try google "HP 8510C Service.pdf" https://doc.xdevs.com/doc/HP_Agilent_Keysight/HP%208510C%20Service.pdf
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Re: Performance verification on a HP8510C
Hi Bill,
I will have the 3.5mm Verification kit and I have a cal kit. So it is up to the software to make sense of the data disk of the Verification kit. I do not believe it is in the controller as there is a 2 disk set (08510-10033) for this purpose. But before I go after it I want to know what I do with it as I do not have a HP9000 system.
So far I understand that to use a NI GPIB-USB dongle with it you need HTBasic ($$) to run it. So maybe it would be better to understand what the data is on the data disk or what the verification software does and replicate it in Python or so.
Best regards,
Job
PH4AS
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On 03-12-2020 03:05, billyatams wrote: The verification of the 8510C, like most of the HP/Agilent/Keysight VNA family, requires a set of verification standards as well as the appropriate calibration kit for the connector type on the test set. The verification kit is an 85053A for a test set 3.5mm connectors. It includes two attenuators, a 50 ohm airline and a 25 ohm mismatch airline. These devices are characterized at Keysight for loss and reflection in both magnitude and phase in both directions. The measured values are contained on the disk supplied with the verification kit. It is imperative that a very high quality cable is used.
It has been a very long time since I played with an 8510 so I could be wrong about this, but I thought the System Verification software that¡¯s contained on the disk supplied with the Verification Kit ran on the controller that is native to the 8510. There are some quirks to running the application. It was not as automatic as the PNA Sys Ver tool.
Bill
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Guys,
The 8664A and the 8643A are from different subfamilies of generators- so while some circuitry is the same or similar - the factories leveraged existing circuits all that they could.
The 8640B ->8645A, possibly even the 8648A are in one subfamily - analog oscillator with lots of digital control. The 8660A -> 8665A are in another subfamily - full digital synthesis and digital control. Check the block diagrams for both series.
Don Bitters
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Sold by Top Dog Test.? ?Made by Ceyear.? ?Conpared it to a Keysight and was electrically equivalent.? ?They are supposed to be the supplier to Keysight¡ so i was told.?
Pete
On Wed, Dec 2, 2020, 10:14 PM Mike Vande Voort < mike@...> wrote: Pete? Who made this cal kit ? Thx Mike
On Wed, Dec 2, 2020, 8:04 PM Pete Manfre < pmanfre@...> wrote:
I bought a new 2.92mm 40GHz cal kit for use with my 8510c (which has finally been sold).? ?So it is no longer needed by me.?
This is a 40GHz 2.92mm male OSLT¡ open,? short,? load,? thru.? Got it and never used it.? Contains all data specs on thumb drive.? ?I also added 5 precision 2.92mm fm to fm barrels.? ?I spent over $2k.
Location¡ Ft. Mill, SC USA
Payment¡ check on US bank,? PO. MO,? western union,? bank wire transfer.?
$1150 shipped CONUS outside US additional.?
Pete wa2odo_._,_
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Pete? Who made this cal kit ? Thx Mike
On Wed, Dec 2, 2020, 8:04 PM Pete Manfre < pmanfre@...> wrote:
I bought a new 2.92mm 40GHz cal kit for use with my 8510c (which has finally been sold).? ?So it is no longer needed by me.?
This is a 40GHz 2.92mm male OSLT¡ open,? short,? load,? thru.? Got it and never used it.? Contains all data specs on thumb drive.? ?I also added 5 precision 2.92mm fm to fm barrels.? ?I spent over $2k.
Location¡ Ft. Mill, SC USA
Payment¡ check on US bank,? PO. MO,? western union,? bank wire transfer.?
$1150 shipped CONUS outside US additional.?
Pete wa2odo_._,_
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For sale is my 4285a hp lcr meter.? ?Has bias option (01) and now comes with a 16034e test fixture and memory card.? ?Working correctly without errors.? pics available.??$1200?+ ship
Location¡. Ft.? Mill,? SC , USA
Payment¡? cash,? check on US bank,? P.O.M.O., Western Union,? wire transfer.?
Pete wa2odo
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Re: Performance verification on a HP8510C
I do not believe the verification SW ran natively on the 8510 - if
there is any verification software that does, I have never seen it. There IS diagnostic software that rns natiely. maybe that is what you
are thinking.
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The verification of the 8510C, like most of the HP/Agilent/Keysight
VNA family, requires a set of verification standards as well as the
appropriate calibration kit for the connector type on the test set.
The verification kit is an 85053A for a test set 3.5mm connectors.
It includes two attenuators, a 50 ohm airline and a 25 ohm mismatch
airline. These devices are characterized at Keysight for loss and
reflection in both magnitude and phase in both directions. The
measured values are contained on the disk supplied with the
verification kit. It is imperative that a very high quality cable
is used.
It has been a very long time since I played with an 8510 so I could
be wrong about this, but I thought the System Verification software
that¡¯s contained on the disk supplied with the Verification Kit ran
on the controller that is native to the 8510. There are some quirks
to running the application. It was not as automatic as the PNA Sys
Ver tool.
Bill
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Hi
thanks for that I will leave it plugged in for a couple of days and see what happens?
roy
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Re: Performance verification on a HP8510C
The verification of the 8510C, like most of the HP/Agilent/Keysight VNA family, requires a set of verification standards as well as the appropriate calibration kit for the connector type on the test set. The verification kit is an 85053A for a test set 3.5mm connectors. It includes two attenuators, a 50 ohm airline and a 25 ohm mismatch airline. These devices are characterized at Keysight for loss and reflection in both magnitude and phase in both directions. The measured values are contained on the disk supplied with the verification kit. It is imperative that a very high quality cable is used.
It has been a very long time since I played with an 8510 so I could be wrong about this, but I thought the System Verification software that¡¯s contained on the disk supplied with the Verification Kit ran on the controller that is native to the 8510. There are some quirks to running the application. It was not as automatic as the PNA Sys Ver tool.
Bill
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I bought a new 2.92mm 40GHz cal kit for use with my 8510c (which has finally been sold).? ?So it is no longer needed by me.?
This is a 40GHz 2.92mm male OSLT¡ open,? short,? load,? thru.? Got it and never used it.? Contains all data specs on thumb drive.? ?I also added 5 precision 2.92mm fm to fm barrels.? ?I spent over $2k.
Location¡ Ft. Mill, SC USA
Payment¡ check on US bank,? PO. MO,? western union,? bank wire transfer.?
$1150 shipped CONUS outside US additional.?
Pete wa2odo_._,_
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Just a thought. The 8664 has a rechareable battery for memory purposes. I have bought 2 that were "not working" on the cheap. Error messages at boot-up. Plugged both of them in for 2 days with the power turned off and the batteries recharged and then when it booted and re-loaded the stored cal factors they worked perfectly. All errors gone.
IOW plug them in for 2-3 days before doing anything then power them up and see what happens.
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I was able to remove the fan/heatsink. I had a feeling on how to remove it (the clip setup was a little different than the little experience I have with uprocessor heat sinks), but didn't want to risk breaking the socket without being certain..
I didn't have a chance to clean it, but it's removed.
I'll update once I clean it, but, as I stated above, may need a new mother board with the same size/footprint. If anyone knows which model(s) will work, let me know.
Thanks again.
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I remember, "I was there" as the customer.
Customer at the demo: Yes, yes, yes!
The boss who was not there: NO, too expensive.
The sales guy: Maybe we can offer an economy version.
The other boss: Well, fix it!
The poor SW guy: Sigh, I only do my job the best I can.
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It's always the balance between what you want and what you can afford. Also tomorrow. Crippling is not a good description even if we today after many years and maybe somewhat wiser (?) can say so. I think HP did the right thing and the customer was happy with all other new features he got.
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Re: Performance verification on a HP8510C
Job,
You'll need a HP 9000 series 200/300 computer with hpbasic (RMB) or a PC with hpbasic for Windows or htbasic.
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Performance verification on a HP8510C
Hi all,
I would like to attempt a performance verification on my HP8510C for
which I apparently require software package (08510-10033 8510
Specification & Performance Verification diskettes).
Does anyone know what is needed to run this software and what it does? I
understand it is Basic and uses GPIB, but I have no idea what specific
system I need (PC, which Basic etc.)
If anyone has experience with doing this I would much appreciate some
pointers.
Best regards,
Job
PH4AS
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FYI¡ i listed a 85024a a bit ago that is complete and working in the box.? ?It includes 3 non working 85024a's, 20 or so new tips (like what is shown here).? 3 ics untested? and more.? ?$1450 for everything SHIPPED CONUS¡ non-US additional
If not sold as group package soon,? i will sell tips separately (real original hp)?
For pictures and more details ask off group.?
Located¡ Ft.? Mill,? SC ,? USA
Payment¡? check on us bank,? US postal mo., Western Union,? bank xfer,? ?NO PAYPAL!?
Pete wa2odo
On Wed, Dec 2, 2020, 2:22 PM Dave G8KHU < david@...> wrote: This may or may not be relevant but the probe tips for the 85024A active probe appear to be 1-72 UNF by eye and Chinese vernier caliper. AF on the nut section is 3/32" from the nanual and there are two different types with different tip diameters. Keysight part numbers are 85024-60015 and 85024-60016 which are still listed as active on the Keysight website. Of course the cost will be eyewatering ......
Dave
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This may or may not be relevant but the probe tips for the 85024A active probe appear to be 1-72 UNF by eye and Chinese vernier caliper. AF on the nut section is 3/32" from the nanual and there are two different types with different tip diameters. Keysight part numbers are 85024-60015 and 85024-60016 which are still listed as active on the Keysight website. Of course the cost will be eyewatering ......
Dave
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