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Re: HP Agilent 34330a current shunt
One thing to note about the 34330A is that it is only rated at 30 amps for 15 minutes. Another option is to buy an industrial panel meter shunt and put it in a box. In europe 60mV is a standard for panel meters so a 60A one will give the same 1mV/A and addtional capacity. Nort American ones tend to be 50mV so go for a 50A one. About 1/3 the cost too. ? A hall effect current clamp has even lower burden voltage and yu don't have to break into the circuit, but you will hae to pay four times as much to get similar accuracy s a shunt. If 1 to 4% is OK then the Pico technology TA018 is worth a look. mA to 60A for about the same price as the shunt. |
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Re: HP Agilent 34330a current shunt
On 12/20/19 11:05 AM, John Griessen wrote:
Here's a quick 4 wire connected way to make it:The nichrome heater wire can be salvaged from any kind of space heater, and will have a normal current of about 15 amps to get red hot. So, with big lugs for 8 gauge wire you can cripm together 4 of them to notn get it to go so hot with 30A you want to measure. Another way could be to use a less resistive wire like a steel coat hanger -- I have not tried that. Long ago on a production test line for a govt contractor we used kanthal wire for such resistors as part of the product instead of precise component shunts. Kanthal wire is not very available though. |
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Re: HP Agilent 34330a current shunt
On 12/20/19 9:31 AM, Alex wrote:
I was wondering if this 30A external plugin shunt adapter would be a cost effective addition to keep on hand,The way I look at high current measuring setups is I'm going to be doing some wiring anyway, so hooking in either a current transformer or shunt involves some clamping tight of connections, and breaking circuits to put those in place. So, if I'm already doing all that I can use a bit a nichrome wire. A bit of wire previously compared to a ref standard resistor at low amps. Here's a quick 4 wire connected way to make it: Split core current transformers for power meter use can be gotten off ebay for much less than $100, and would be the least intrusive 20 Hz and up method I can think of. |
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Quantity Correction Re: [HP-Agilent-Keysight-equipment] FS: sets of NOS concentric control knobs
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Re: HP Agilent 34330a current shunt
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I have a 34330A, and I do not regret this purchase. At Keysight, it's $ 132 CAD or $ 101 US. I bought this product because it was specially designed for voltmeters, including a standard plug, easy to use and of a size suitable for these instruments. I bought cheaper from Digikey other shunt, but for use with the oscilloscope mainly. Just like you I hesitated with making the purchase mainly because of the price, but today I am happy to have bought it. Yves -----Message d'origine-----
De?: [email protected] <[email protected]> De la part de Alex ·¡²Ô±¹´Ç²â¨¦?: 20 d¨¦cembre 2019 10:31 ??: [email protected] Objet?: [HP-Agilent-Keysight-equipment] HP Agilent 34330a current shunt I wanted to ask what is the opinion on the 34330A current shunt. Occasionally one needs to measure current somewhat above the 10Amps which is the maximum that my 973A/974A handheld DMMs allow. So I was wondering if this 30A external plugin shunt adapter would be a cost effective addition to keep on hand, of course considering that this would also require beefier connecting test leads that are current rated accordingly. But given the ebay price range for a 34330A being at $130-$300, I wonder if these numbers realistically make sense, not that I would even consider buying one just for occasional use at those prices anyhow. Since all of them have been listed for months now, and perhaps they are just the leftover overpriced bunch waiting for a desperate buyer, what would be a realistic lower price expectation for a working one in decent shape? Or perhaps would other alternatives like a current probe adapter (34134A/34135A) be a better alternative? On the other hand I already have a FW-Bell GC-100D 200Amp AC/DC stand alone clamp-on "current gun" but it has a single range 3.5 digit readout up to 199.9, so measurements towards the lower end of that scale are not ideal, although still workable if need be. The gun also has two separate output jacks which I tried to use a couple of times but the output voltage never did make much sense in comparison to the actual measured current indicated on the display, which was correct. Maybe I was doing something wrong there, but the clamp by itself works fine when it gets used once in a while. Of course yet another alternative that comes to mind would be to just buy a sturdy precision 0.01 or 0.001 ohm resistor at Mouser/Digikey and mount it inside a small metal enclosure with in/out jacks to use as a stand alone shunt, so it does not even need to stay attached directly or even near to the DMM. I really don't have any very high precision needs, which are usually satisfied with either one of the multiple 4.5-digit 974A's on the bench, and certainly nothing beyond the capability of my "higher end" 3468A/3478A pair of not-calibrated for a long time DMMs. But still the idea of having a plug-n-play 30Amp quick expansion for the handheld DMM like the 34330A shunt when occasional needs arise still sounds interesting, specially when it is an HP product. I am open to comments and suggestions. Thanks. |
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HP Agilent 34330a current shunt
I wanted to ask what is the opinion on the 34330A current shunt. Occasionally one needs to measure current somewhat above the 10Amps which is the maximum that my 973A/974A handheld DMMs allow. So I was wondering if this 30A external plugin shunt adapter would be a cost effective addition to keep on hand, of course considering that this would also require beefier connecting test leads that are current rated accordingly. But given the ebay price range for a 34330A being at $130-$300, I wonder if these numbers realistically make sense, not that I would even consider buying one just for occasional use at those prices anyhow. Since all of them have been listed for months now, and perhaps they are just the leftover overpriced bunch waiting for a desperate buyer, what would be a realistic lower price expectation for a working one in decent shape?
Or perhaps would other alternatives like a current probe adapter (34134A/34135A) be a better alternative? On the other hand I already have a FW-Bell GC-100D 200Amp AC/DC stand alone clamp-on "current gun" but it has a single range 3.5 digit readout up to 199.9, so measurements towards the lower end of that scale are not ideal, although still workable if need be. The gun also has two separate output jacks which I tried to use a couple of times but the output voltage never did make much sense in comparison to the actual measured current indicated on the display, which was correct. Maybe I was doing something wrong there, but the clamp by itself works fine when it gets used once in a while. Of course yet another alternative that comes to mind would be to just buy a sturdy precision 0.01 or 0.001 ohm resistor at Mouser/Digikey and mount it inside a small metal enclosure with in/out jacks to use as a stand alone shunt, so it does not even need to stay attached directly or even near to the DMM. I really don't have any very high precision needs, which are usually satisfied with either one of the multiple 4.5-digit 974A's on the bench, and certainly nothing beyond the capability of my "higher end" 3468A/3478A pair of not-calibrated for a long time DMMs. But still the idea of having a plug-n-play 30Amp quick expansion for the handheld DMM like the 34330A shunt when occasional needs arise still sounds interesting, specially when it is an HP product. I am open to comments and suggestions. Thanks. |
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Re: HP8753 VNA step attenuator model and replacement
¿ªÔÆÌåÓýFor the manual?: ? Yves ? De?: [email protected] <[email protected]> De la part de Don Bitters via Groups.Io ? Here is the description: ?
The 33321 series of attenuators are all very similar. ?The differences are in the frequency range, programming voltage, input/output connectors and the programming voltage connector. Internally they are 4 sections (10dB, 20dB, 20dB, 20dB). ?There exists an E-manuel that describes the options, specs, etc. ?I will post it when I track it down. ?Do check the Agilent, Keysight websites with a search for ¡°33321 manual¡±. Don Bitters |
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Re: Wanted: HP 3458a DVM in non-working condition
¿ªÔÆÌåÓýGeorge,Thank you for the very interesting and insightful answer. I feel very honored to have an analog designer of my most prized multimeter directly respond to me. I do have a couple questions about the 3468A if I may. First, what aspect did you find most challenging to design and implement? Second, if the budgetary requirements were lifted, what would you have done differently? Third, if you had access to modern analog components (except for mixed signal parts like ADCs/DACs), what would you change? Fourth, why did future models, like the 3478A, drop the battery power? Finally, when open circuit in VDC mode on the 0.3V and 3V ranges, why does the voltage drift up and not down? I know 10^10 ohm input impedance makes open circuit drift inevitable, but it¡¯s interesting that it always drifts up on my meter. I am still impressed that a 5.5 digit battery powered reasonably portable meter exists at all. To my knowledge, no more precise portable DMM has been sold since (save for maybe one 6.5 digit Metrahit model, but its long term specs are about on par with the 3468A). I love being able to move it (and the 3466A) around my cluttered bench without having to worry about power cords and being able to charge them indefinitely when not using them. Again, thank you for all of the insight! On Dec 19, 2019, at 8:06 PM, "ghnatiuk@..." <ghnatiuk@...> wrote:
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Re: Wanted: HP 3458a DVM in non-working condition
Dennis,
At the time the 3468A was being developed, the LCD technology at Hp was in codevelopment with cooperation between the Loveland Instrument group and the Corvalis Calculator group.? There were no backlit LCDs at the time to be designed into the instrument.? This was a new technology.? We actually started with the LCD display from the 41C calculator in the engineering prototypes of the 3468A until the larger LDC eventually used in the 3468/78/57/88 was developed and prepared for manufacturing.? The 3468/78 and the LCDs were in development from 1978 -1981.? The project "KEY" for the 3468A was the first electronic calibration DMM for Hp.? ?The project began and started to ramp up after July 1978 and I joined as chief analog designer (5) for the front end signal conditioning in October 1978.? By February 1979 we had our full design team in place: (1)? Project manager (2)? Firmware/digital? (3)? A/D and digital interface? (4)? Hybrid switches and? DC? front end and attenuator (5)? Ohms / AC / DC interface / Motherboard PCB and Input hybrid layout with fineline resistor networks (6)? Power supply / battery backup / LCD? display (7)? Mechanical and industrial design Most of us were new engineers fresh out of university except for 3 members of the team (1),(2),(7) The mission was to design a 5-1/2 digit DMM with full electronic CAL using less than 100 parts and for a parts cost of $100 or less.? We got close to the goal but had to increase the parts count because to meet safety requirements and that required for the necessary protection circuits for ESD and potential customer abuse.? That took more parts than first anticipated. George Hnatiuk? ? Dec 19, 2019 Have a happy holiday |
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Re: HP 8920A and 8920B Keypads Identical?
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?I can confirm that the 8920A and B keypads are the same. Why are you replacing the keypad? Is it just the rubbers or the PCB too? The part number is 08920-40001 How much are you looking at for the replacement? I have a similar onne but the "softkeys" at the side of the screen and presets at top of panel have different markings. If this doesn't matter to you or they are OK on the existing one (you can cut the rubber up and just replace the faulty section). it might be an option. Robert G8RPI. |
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Re: HP8753 VNA step attenuator model and replacement
¿ªÔÆÌåÓýHere is the description:
The 33321 series of attenuators are all very similar. ?The differences are in the frequency range, programming voltage, input/output connectors and the programming voltage connector. Internally they are 4 sections (10dB, 20dB, 20dB, 20dB). ?There exists an E-manuel that describes the options, specs, etc. ?I will post it when I track it down. ?Do check the Agilent, Keysight websites with a search for ¡°33321 manual¡±. Don Bitters |
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Re: How difficult is it to find or source replacement cables for the HP 4195A?
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I have one too, and am limited to Spectral Analysis. The test kits, and especially the impedance analyzer, is almost impossible to get. OK, I missed the one for 125USD at ppauctions...but in general, these are almost impossible to find. With best regards Tam HANNA Enjoy electronics? Join 15k7 other followers by visiting the Crazy Electronics Lab at On 2019. 12. 19. 0:27, Dave McGuire wrote:
On 12/18/19 6:18 PM, ian.p.brown@... wrote:I am considering purchasing a used HP 4195A network spectrum analyzerIt's not tough at all. You'll need one cable with 50-pin AMP Champ |
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Re: HP8753 VNA step attenuator model and replacement
Also be aware that the 33321SC and similar attenuators removed from cell phone test sets ?while rated for 4GHz generally work fine at higher frequencies, The coil drive is different (no switches) but if nothing else they are a source of pads.
Robert G8RPI. |
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Re: HP8753 VNA step attenuator model and replacement
Hello everyone,
Thanks for all the great suggestions for repair. I failed to mention I have done such a repair before. The document is also very helpful as are some more Youtube videos. However, I was trying to determine if a 33321H or similar would also be sufficient, sometimes they are up for grabs and a pad replacement requires another pad. From some eBay listings it seems the "Q" stands for DC-8GHz, which means that a 18GHz device should be good (and generally much cheaper than the 'Q' models on eBay). But first I will take it out and test the pads and open it up. Thanks again, Job PH4AS |
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Re: HP8753 VNA step attenuator model and replacement
If this attenuator is anything like typical ones used in that vintage HP gear, then chances are it can readily be fixed. The common problems are bad contacts from wear, grime, and oxidation, and deterioration of the tiny o-rings that hold the contact push rod assemblies. There are many repair instructions online. In a VNA, it's unlikely that a pad card is blown from excessive RF power or DC, unless it was used for power amplifier testing, or experimentally, where high DC could inadvertently be applied. In passive component testing, the VNA's output power should be incapable of damaging the receiving end.
The usual repairs include opening it up (easy once you know how) and inspection, then possibly replacement of o-rings, and contact cleaning and treatment such as with Deoxit. Ed |
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FS: sets of NOS concentric control knobs
¿ªÔÆÌåÓýBrad Thompson via Groups.Io wrote on 12/6/2019 10:29 AHello--I'm offering FS sets of NOS concentric control knobs. These have longitudinally-grooved surfaces and black cursor markings which contrast nicely with the aluminum knob material. The top knob has a black insert.? Each knob gets secured to its control shaft by two .050-inch hex setscrews. A .jpg-format photo is available on request. Bottom knob: 0.625 inches in diameter, 0.56 inches high, 0.25 inch through hole Top knob: 0.425 inches in diameter, 0.56 inches high, 0.125 inch blind hole. (Please note that the knobs are made from aluminum, a conductive metal, and hence will pose a shock hazard if you're accustomed to the bad practice of floating the ungrounded chassis of an instrument.) Each set comprises three top/bottom pairs and as a bonus while the supply lasts, four skirted plastic knobs with 0.125-inch brass-insert blind hole and one 0.050-inch setscrew. I'm asking $10.00 per package? (four two-piece knobsets), which includes USPS first-class mail to U.S. locations. Questions welcomed, PayPal honored. Thanks, and 73-- Brad? AA1IP |
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Re: HP8753 VNA step attenuator model and replacement
Hello Job,
If you end up having to repair that attenuator you may want to watch this youtube video produced by Shariar at thesignalpath.com.? He was troubleshooting an E4433B signal generator earlier this year and diagnosed a bad step attenuator.? Because it's not easy to obtain a replacement he went about repairing the attenuator and presented the process in very good detail.? The process doesn't look too difficult, albeit delicate. The attenuator segment starts at 11:00.? ? BTW, the part number for his attenuator is 33322-60014.? Very close to your p/n so perhaps they are mechanically similar. Hope this helps! 73..... Frank / WA3NHK |
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