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...got stuck in a hp 5360A repair, looking for hp 5375A keyboard and 5360A pcbs (WTB)

 

Hi Jeremy,

In case there was an comms issue sending a PM to sell your plug-in adapter for the 5360A, my e-mail address is terry.waihi@....

If the item is out of stock then ok, I will just keep looking.

Thanks?for your time.

Kind regards,
Terry


Re: Dead 54720D

 

Sorry you missed out on that one...

On Fri, Dec 13, 2019 at 17:59 Ovidiu Popa [Business] <ovidiu.popa@...> wrote:
And to add insult to injury, while I was struggling to fix the power supply, a 54717A was sold on EBay :( I cannot hope the buyer is a member here...


Re: Dead 54720D

 

And to add insult to injury, while I was struggling to fix the power supply, a 54717A was sold on EBay :( I cannot hope the buyer is a member here...


Re: Transformer data

 

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You can judge by bridge rectifiers diodes. They all get hot. ?I think it is 15-20 amps for +5v rail and 5-8 amps for +20v rail.?

On Dec 13, 2019, at 17:23, Glenn Little <glennmaillist@...> wrote:

? A friend is looking for a low voltage transformer and I have two of these from not economical to repair units that were parted out.

Looks to be hefty.

73
Glenn
WB4UIV


On 12/13/2019 4:44 PM, Robert G8RPI via Groups.Io wrote:
Why do you want to know? Are you trying to find a replacement or planning to use one in a ifferent application?

Roert G8RPI.

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Re: Transformer data

 

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A friend is looking for a low voltage transformer and I have two of these from not economical to repair units that were parted out.

Looks to be hefty.

73
Glenn
WB4UIV


On 12/13/2019 4:44 PM, Robert G8RPI via Groups.Io wrote:
Why do you want to know? Are you trying to find a replacement or planning to use one in a ifferent application?

Roert G8RPI.

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Re: Transformer data

 

Glenn no idea on the current. But you may be able to get a hint from each of the power supplies that use the transformer. Most HP supplies have over current limiting. Use .6V and dived by the current sense resistor value. Example .6/.2 ohm= 3 amp trip. That would be the trip point. Not perfect but a clue at least.
Then add up all of the currents...
Regards
Paul
WB8TSL


Re: Transformer data

 

Why do you want to know? Are you trying to find a replacement or planning to use one in a ifferent application?

Roert G8RPI.


Re: Using an 8903B to analyze power audio amp

 

Thanks Mark.? Yes, I realize that, I have two 500W resistors mounted on a large heatsink.
I will be testing NAD 2200 and 2600 amplifiers

--Victor


Re: Using an 8903B to analyze power audio amp

 

Yes, you are correct, but the 8 ohm or 4 ohm load has to be rated for high power, especially if it is only cooled by ambient air. For a 10W amp we use a 100W non inductive restive load.
You also need to get the ground / float stuff right. I don't have one in front of me to see what that is and it depends on the amplifier characteristics. In some cases a coupling capacitor may be needed.
You will likely want to use a flat filter setting. If I remember correctly some of the impedance settings are in special menus and you may get erroneous readings if they are off.

I haven't used an 8903B in a few years. I've used the Audio Precision stuff lately, so I don't remember everything about the operation.

Regards,

Mark


On Fri, Dec 13, 2019 at 12:01 PM victor.silva via Groups.Io <daejon1=[email protected]> wrote:
Hi Group,

I've done quite a bit of searching and so far I haven't been able to find how to exactly connect a power amp to an 8903B to make some basic measurements.
I know that the 8903B's signal generator can be connected to the audio amps input but what I have not seen explained is how to connect the amp's output to the 8903B
input. Am I correct in assuming the right way to do it is to have an 8 ohm or 4 ohm load on the output of the amp and connect the 8903B input in parallel with the load (at 600 ohms impedance)?

Thanks so much,
Victor


Using an 8903B to analyze power audio amp

 

Hi Group,

I've done quite a bit of searching and so far I haven't been able to find how to exactly connect a power amp to an 8903B to make some basic measurements.
I know that the 8903B's signal generator can be connected to the audio amps input but what I have not seen explained is how to connect the amp's output to the 8903B
input. Am I correct in assuming the right way to do it is to have an 8 ohm or 4 ohm load on the output of the amp and connect the 8903B input in parallel with the load (at 600 ohms impedance)?

Thanks so much,
Victor


Re: Transformer data

 

Glenn,

I have seen many various methods to empirically determine secondary current ratings of unknown transformers but a lot of them apply to either single secondaries or the larger utility distribution transformers.? If you have a working transformer with known secondary voltage(s) I have usually used a simple and sometimes less-than accurate method of applying a load to the secondary until the voltage drops 10-15% then measuring the current.

Usually the transformer manufacturers will specify the rated output voltage near the full load condition and the output is obviously much higher in an unloaded state.? But for smaller transformers one must also take into consideration of possible core saturation when nearing a full-load condition.? That can be observed with an oscilloscope while applying loads to the secondary.

Other numerous approaches taken have been taken and I am sure others will weight in on them but some either are not indicative of a true current rating for those transformers? with multiple secondaries or may be destructive when attempting to test. This is especially true if the transformer contains buried thermal fuses in the windings that may open upon an overload condition.

Contacting tech services of one of the major transformer manufacturers may also shed more light on how to determine currents.? As a sidebar I once did a design on a power supply and contracted with a small local manufacturer to produce the required transformer for the application.? The company actually was in the business of producing inclinometers for off-road vehicles but the engineer who worked there loved transformers so the company let him set up a small manufacturing facility to produce them.? The guy was a wealth of knowledge on transformer design and became quite a source of education on the subject. After all of these decades I don't see the company around anymore so off-road enthusiasts apparently trust the capabilities of their vehicles until they tip over.

Greg


Re: ...got stuck in a hp 5360A repair, looking for hp 5375A keyboard and 5360A pcbs (WTB)

 

Hi Jeremy,
sorry for the delayed answer! I did get your e-mail, but it looks like my reply did not make it through. I said yes to your proposal, just waiting for the final shipping cost. and your PP address.
Kind regards
Chris


Re: Dead 54720D

 

Thanks, I'll contact these companies, but I'm not setting my hopes too high; they are all distributors that eye the corporate big bucks and don't care about the small fish in the pond. $170 for a month plus back and forth shipping plus Canadian taxes is about what a 54720D frame is worth, but I'd take it if available.


Re: Dead 54720D

 

A quick Google search turns up a couple of places that ostensibly rent these out. Here's one?, and there's another?. Yet one more?.

I have no affiliation and have never tried any of those places, but $170/month seems reasonable?

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On Wed, Dec 11, 2019 at 9:00 PM Ovidiu Popa [Business] <ovidiu.popa@...> wrote:
Ok, so I fixed the power supply (one dead mosfet) and now my dear 54720D is like a Schroedinger cat, dead and alive at the same time. It works, I configured everything that can be done manually (serial number, model, date/time, etc...) but without recalibration it only makes a nice door stop.

Really, anybody has a 54717A calibrator I could borrow for a ten minutes calibration job? I¡¯m willing to pay back and forth shipping plus a realistic compensation for the trouble.

If not, this amazing scope is ready to go for target practice, fortunately with pellets only, here in Canada. I¡¯d like to do the same with those designing this amazing scope around a $5 battery, without the possibility of self calibration.


Re: Dead 54720D

 

Hi Ovidiu:
I've got a 54720A frame.?
Best regards and wishes.
Roy


Transformer data

 

Does anyone have the ratings for HP 9100-4068 transformer?
This is from a 8566 spectrum analyzer.
The manual has voltages, but, no current ratings for the windings.

Any help appreciated.
Google was no help.

Glenn

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Re: Dead 54720D

 

I just cracked up laughing at your comment. Those stupid batteries. But at least most quality equipment has either defaults or internal self cal. Or maybe its just older equipment has those behaviors.
Then someone discovered they could make lots of money by enforcing calibration.
I have some very nice DVMs that want to be Cal'ed every year. Not going to happen. But at least in general there is a way around it. I actually do cal some of them have much of the gear. Its such a pain to step through all of the ranges.
Great to do one time but not every year.
Regards
Paul


Re: Dead 54720D

 

Ok, so I fixed the power supply (one dead mosfet) and now my dear 54720D is like a Schroedinger cat, dead and alive at the same time. It works, I configured everything that can be done manually (serial number, model, date/time, etc...) but without recalibration it only makes a nice door stop.

Really, anybody has a 54717A calibrator I could borrow for a ten minutes calibration job? I¡¯m willing to pay back and forth shipping plus a realistic compensation for the trouble.

If not, this amazing scope is ready to go for target practice, fortunately with pellets only, here in Canada. I¡¯d like to do the same with those designing this amazing scope around a $5 battery, without the possibility of self calibration.


Re: HP 3455a DVM repair

Bob Albert
 

Paul, should you decide to move on to other things, consider letting me have that unit to help repair mine.? I don't think mine has much wrong with it but it's practically dead.? It worked and then one day didn't.

Bob K6DDX

On Wednesday, December 11, 2019, 03:04:07 PM PST, paul swedberg <paulswedb@...> wrote:


Hello to the group.
Its not apparent that it was a lightning strike but 12 ICs is a lot of ICs. Will bet there are several more hiding. But each replacement truly fixed an issue. The unit was given to me and am not sure now the fellow likes me or hates me??? It was sort of a doorstop and home for mice. One of the dirtiest pieces of gear I have run into. But the inboard and and analog were as clean as new because the mice couldn't get there.
No matter dropped the out board logic and thoroughly?removed the stuff (Nice wording) Now the board is very clean. The mice didn't really nibble anything. Someone took the fan so that was the entryway. They nibbled a bit on a couple of wires easily repaired.
But I would love to get some parts to play with. Outboard logic, cpu board just something to point me in the right direction at this point. Its possible at this stage I have a inboard issue. But I doubt that because if that is the case the front panel tests would run.
Or decide to send it to the basement for a years punishment for not showing me how to fix it. Chuckle.
Good to know others have the same challenge. These are old so maybe thats the way it is.
I have had to replace eproms the the 3456a due to age.
Regards
Paul


Re: HP 3455a DVM repair

 

Hello to the group.
Its not apparent that it was a lightning strike but 12 ICs is a lot of ICs. Will bet there are several more hiding. But each replacement truly fixed an issue. The unit was given to me and am not sure now the fellow likes me or hates me??? It was sort of a doorstop and home for mice. One of the dirtiest pieces of gear I have run into. But the inboard and and analog were as clean as new because the mice couldn't get there.
No matter dropped the out board logic and thoroughly?removed the stuff (Nice wording) Now the board is very clean. The mice didn't really nibble anything. Someone took the fan so that was the entryway. They nibbled a bit on a couple of wires easily repaired.
But I would love to get some parts to play with. Outboard logic, cpu board just something to point me in the right direction at this point. Its possible at this stage I have a inboard issue. But I doubt that because if that is the case the front panel tests would run.
Or decide to send it to the basement for a years punishment for not showing me how to fix it. Chuckle.
Good to know others have the same challenge. These are old so maybe thats the way it is.
I have had to replace eproms the the 3456a due to age.
Regards
Paul