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Hello, I don't think this group can produce such profanity that I'd be worried if my kid got to read it. If they're old enough for electronics, they're old enough to know about and glance over the "adult" expressions, and if they can't handle it, then someone is failing at parenting. Sadly, accepting that requires taking personal responsibility...which does not go along well with being a crybaby in the first place. The issue here, is, that so far, conservatives have always walked away, hoping that the person will grow up. Sadly, practical experience shows that this is not the case. IMHO, there are two possible outcomes. Either a) we stop giving a quarter, or b) other countries do it for us. Tam With best regards Tam HANNA Enjoy electronics? Join 15k7 other followers by visiting the Crazy Electronics Lab at On 2019. 09. 02. 16:58, Razvan wrote: I find it amusing that we're having this discussion here, which is the most formal online gathering I'm part of.
I don't think this group can produce such profanity that I'd be worried if my kid got to read it. If they're old enough for electronics, they're old enough to know about and glance over the "adult" expressions, and if they can't handle it, then someone is failing at parenting.
Regards, Razvan
On 02/09/2019 16:36, Tam Hanna wrote:
Hello Chuck,
now now. I see this as an offense to the English, having drunk with Brit, Irishman, Scot and Welshperson (Kelper) in Slovakia and always having had a to-the-point conversation without need for trigger warnings or safe spaces.
IMHO, the time has come to fight back against this trend of babyfication. When I was young, Austria had a lively political culture from far right to far left. Yet, everyone respected the other personally and individuals behaving like this fine specimen here () would have been left out to dry from shame.
But, I fully understand that my view of the world is as outdated as my oscilloscope and TMI collection...given that forking the group is impossible for me as I am already gravely overworked, and that I like the (current) collection of members, I grudgingly bide to the owner's will.
However, let me state for the record that caving to feminist / SJW / "for the children" demands, no matter how small, usually is the first step to the downfall of an Engineering organization. I have seen this many times in my recent career...and, now, have become an advocate for a "No Quarters" attitude.
So, let the SJW influx begin.
With best regards Tam HANNA
Enjoy electronics? Join 15k7 other followers by visiting the Crazy Electronics Lab at
On 2019. 09. 02. 14:49, Chuck Harris wrote:
"Bad" is too loose of a term when you are moderating a forum with worldwide membership.
What is bad to an Englishman, is Sunday church talk among of many of the Eastern European countries formerly of the Soviet Union, or their far Northern neighbors.
You probably have to be more specific, and say what you really mean:
Please avoid using graphic verbal portrayals of the rape of puppy dogs, ducks, apes, goats, humans and other entities; sex acts with humans, animals, common kitchen appliances and utensils, and other animate and inanimate objects; when posting on this group.? I am sure I have missed a few categories, but please avoid them too.
When I want to learn new ways of swearing, all I have to do is wander over to the local middle school.
-Chuck Harris (only partly in jest)
Dr. David Kirkby from Kirkby Microwave Ltd wrote:
I believe we should all encourage youngsters to join groups like these, especially the HP/Agilent/Keysight group, which can be very educational. Do please do so.
I have received a complaint from someone who encouraged a young member to join, but feels unhappy about the use of bad language. I can see her point. So can you please all stop this.
Dave (owner of both groups)
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892X Cal file request ...RF I/O
Looking for the Cal fie for an RF I/O assembly .
Need to update the calibration factors for a repaired RF I/O and it looks like the easiest way is to just update an existing cal file with the needed values.
I have actually corrected the values on the EEPROM but the checksum? for that area is no off? and not sure what hash or checksum routine was used? ...looks like its 16 bits at the start of the array.
May be worthwhile to actually keep a collection of those files for the different assembly types as well
?
Thanks
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I once submitted a suggestion to an internet
social blog contact to check out the last track
of the soundtrack of the music from the film
"Home" by composer Armand Amar.
The name of that track got censored...
It seems that just about everyone gets offended by everything these days.
Even our laser printer rejects print jobs from time to time with the response:
"Error Offending Stack Command"
Cheers
Ulf Kylenfall SM6GXV
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Re: E4418B power meter clearing Ram battery failed
Hi Paul,
I measured a working E4418B here.? The battery Voltage on mine is
2.8948V with J1 in and 2.8960V with J1 out.? The current measured
across J1 is about 42 microAmperes.? This is without AC power
connected.
Tom
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Hi Paul,
First, measure the current draw on the battery when there the
E4418B is disconnected from AC power.? You can do this by
pulling the jumper (J1) and measuring the current across the
jumper pins.?? If the current is too high (I can measure a good
one later today), I would check C78 (10 microFarad, 10V cap) or
diode CR2.? If those check good the problem could be in the
battery monitor chip (U1).?? This being said, don't overlook the
battery itself.? How old is the battery?
Tom Bryan
N3AJA
On 9/2/2019 9:40 AM, Paul Bicknell
wrote:
My
E4418B power meter came up with Ram battery failed
?
As
I only replaced it 3 years ago I opened it up and it was
at 0.2 volts?
So
replaced it cleared the fault and did a sylph test it
returned the same fault
?
This
happened several times eventually it cleared?
After
a second power cycle and several moor sylph tests
?
Any
one else hade the same problem in clearing Ram battery
failed
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Re: E4418B power meter clearing Ram battery failed
Hi Paul,
First, measure the current draw on the battery when there the
E4418B is disconnected from AC power.? You can do this by pulling
the jumper (J1) and measuring the current across the jumper
pins.?? If the current is too high (I can measure a good one later
today), I would check C78 (10 microFarad, 10V cap) or diode CR2.?
If those check good the problem could be in the battery monitor
chip (U1).?? This being said, don't overlook the battery itself.?
How old is the battery?
Tom Bryan
N3AJA
On 9/2/2019 9:40 AM, Paul Bicknell
wrote:
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My E4418B power meter
came up with Ram
battery failed
?
As I only replaced it
3 years ago I opened
it up and it was at 0.2 volts?
So replaced it
cleared the fault and did a
sylph test it returned the same fault
?
This happened several
times eventually it
cleared?
After a second power
cycle and several moor
sylph tests
?
Any one else hade the
same problem in clearing
Ram battery failed
?
Regards Paul
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On 9/2/19 11:18 AM, j.kernkamp@... wrote: I agree completely.? Inappropriate language is used for the same reason as personal attacks - shock effect - and both should be banned.? Basically, if YOU would not say it to your Mother or your kids, it's inappropriate.? And, if you are a person that WOULD use such language on your Mother or your kids, I would vote to ban you from the group. Hey, be careful here, this is very subjective, and your assertion is wrong. Case in point: I use "the F word" all the time, and it's not for "shock effect", it's just a part of my normal, everyday vocabulary. I'm not a devil worshipper, an axe murderer, a drug addict, a child rapist, or an uneducated thug...I just say "F***" a lot. And I'm no outlier here: Most people I know are exactly the same way. And I keep a very high signal/noise ratio amongst my social contacts; they are all technical people, and nearly all engineers of one sort or another. And since you mentioned mothers, about mine: My mother is a noted AP journalist, a published author, and was (before retirement) a respected corporate CEO. She said to me last night on the phone that she was "F***ING SCARED" of this hurricane. (she's in Florida) With (at least some) respect, people who get all uppity because they [gasp] HEARD A WORD really need to calm down and get a grip. If that sort of thing is really the worst thing that you face over the course of a day, I'd gladly swap lives. Seriously. I don't mean this as crappy as it sounds; I don't hate these people. I really do feel badly for people who are so sensitive and touchy that their minds are thrown into a tailspin because someone else said a word. What happens when real problems pop up in life? Some nutjob Republican bumpkin with an AR-15 goes berzerk, your house catches on fire, a friend gets cancer, or something like that? If hearing a word makes a person so upset, I'd not want to be anywhere near that person in the face of real adversity. Don't sweat words. Worry about what matters in life. Please think about this. -Dave -- Dave McGuire, AK4HZ New Kensington, PA
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On 9/2/19 11:32 AM, Razvan wrote: Wanting to keep your kid as a pure ray of light, and shifting the burden of that goal on the world itself, is not only unreasonable, but irresponsible. We see the eventual result of that type of coddling in the news every day. -Dave -- Dave McGuire, AK4HZ New Kensington, PA
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And how do you know what that person would say in front of their
mother or their kids?
I too agree that there is a limit, but I don't know what that
limit is and I'd rather have social pressure than outright
banning. Ultimately, if I don't like the way someone speaks, I'm
going to block them. If everyone in that group is like that, then
I can just leave.
Wanting to keep your kid as a pure ray of light, and shifting the
burden of that goal on the world itself, is not only unreasonable,
but irresponsible.
Regards,
Razvan
I agree completely.? Inappropriate language is used for the same
reason as personal attacks - shock effect - and both should be
banned.? Basically, if YOU would not say it to your Mother or your
kids, it's inappropriate.? And, if you are a person that WOULD use
such language on your Mother or your kids, I would vote to ban you
from the group.
--
Razvan Cojocariu
Cojotech SRL
+4073 558 3392
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Or the people around you have learned to protect *you* from such language, perhaps by expressed thoughts similar to the one you just posted.? I have found that real people, of all stripes, when they feel comfortable around and with you, will occasionally use such language.
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I agree completely.? Inappropriate language is used for the same reason as personal attacks - shock effect - and both should be banned.? Basically, if YOU would not say it to your Mother or your kids, it's inappropriate.? And, if you are a person that WOULD use such language on your Mother or your kids, I would vote to ban you from the group.
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I find it amusing that we're having this discussion here, which is the most formal online gathering I'm part of.
I don't think this group can produce such profanity that I'd be worried if my kid got to read it. If they're old enough for electronics, they're old enough to know about and glance over the "adult" expressions, and if they can't handle it, then someone is failing at parenting.
Regards, Razvan
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On 02/09/2019 16:36, Tam Hanna wrote: Hello Chuck,
now now. I see this as an offense to the English, having drunk with Brit, Irishman, Scot and Welshperson (Kelper) in Slovakia and always having had a to-the-point conversation without need for trigger warnings or safe spaces.
IMHO, the time has come to fight back against this trend of babyfication. When I was young, Austria had a lively political culture from far right to far left. Yet, everyone respected the other personally and individuals behaving like this fine specimen here () would have been left out to dry from shame.
But, I fully understand that my view of the world is as outdated as my oscilloscope and TMI collection...given that forking the group is impossible for me as I am already gravely overworked, and that I like the (current) collection of members, I grudgingly bide to the owner's will.
However, let me state for the record that caving to feminist / SJW / "for the children" demands, no matter how small, usually is the first step to the downfall of an Engineering organization. I have seen this many times in my recent career...and, now, have become an advocate for a "No Quarters" attitude.
So, let the SJW influx begin.
With best regards Tam HANNA
Enjoy electronics? Join 15k7 other followers by visiting the Crazy Electronics Lab at
On 2019. 09. 02. 14:49, Chuck Harris wrote:
"Bad" is too loose of a term when you are moderating a forum with worldwide membership.
What is bad to an Englishman, is Sunday church talk among of many of the Eastern European countries formerly of the Soviet Union, or their far Northern neighbors.
You probably have to be more specific, and say what you really mean:
Please avoid using graphic verbal portrayals of the rape of puppy dogs, ducks, apes, goats, humans and other entities; sex acts with humans, animals, common kitchen appliances and utensils, and other animate and inanimate objects; when posting on this group.? I am sure I have missed a few categories, but please avoid them too.
When I want to learn new ways of swearing, all I have to do is wander over to the local middle school.
-Chuck Harris (only partly in jest)
Dr. David Kirkby from Kirkby Microwave Ltd wrote:
I believe we should all encourage youngsters to join groups like these, especially the HP/Agilent/Keysight group, which can be very educational. Do please do so.
I have received a complaint from someone who encouraged a young member to join, but feels unhappy about the use of bad language. I can see her point. So can you please all stop this.
Dave (owner of both groups)
-- Razvan Cojocariu
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Single Joule per Watt?
Peter
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On Sep 2, 2019, at 9:36 AM, Tam Hanna <tamhan@...> wrote:
Hello Chuck,
now now. I see this as an offense to the English, having drunk with Brit, Irishman, Scot and Welshperson (Kelper) in Slovakia and always having had a to-the-point conversation without need for trigger warnings or safe spaces.
IMHO, the time has come to fight back against this trend of babyfication. When I was young, Austria had a lively political culture from far right to far left. Yet, everyone respected the other personally and individuals behaving like this fine specimen here () would have been left out to dry from shame.
But, I fully understand that my view of the world is as outdated as my oscilloscope and TMI collection...given that forking the group is impossible for me as I am already gravely overworked, and that I like the (current) collection of members, I grudgingly bide to the owner's will.
However, let me state for the record that caving to feminist / SJW / "for the children" demands, no matter how small, usually is the first step to the downfall of an Engineering organization. I have seen this many times in my recent career...and, now, have become an advocate for a "No Quarters" attitude.
So, let the SJW influx begin.
With best regards Tam HANNA
Enjoy electronics? Join 15k7 other followers by visiting the Crazy Electronics Lab at
On 2019. 09. 02. 14:49, Chuck Harris wrote: "Bad" is too loose of a term when you are moderating a forum with worldwide membership.
What is bad to an Englishman, is Sunday church talk among of many of the Eastern European countries formerly of the Soviet Union, or their far Northern neighbors.
You probably have to be more specific, and say what you really mean:
Please avoid using graphic verbal portrayals of the rape of puppy dogs, ducks, apes, goats, humans and other entities; sex acts with humans, animals, common kitchen appliances and utensils, and other animate and inanimate objects; when posting on this group. I am sure I have missed a few categories, but please avoid them too.
When I want to learn new ways of swearing, all I have to do is wander over to the local middle school.
-Chuck Harris (only partly in jest)
Dr. David Kirkby from Kirkby Microwave Ltd wrote:
I believe we should all encourage youngsters to join groups like these, especially the HP/Agilent/Keysight group, which can be very educational. Do please do so.
I have received a complaint from someone who encouraged a young member to join, but feels unhappy about the use of bad language. I can see her point. So can you please all stop this.
Dave (owner of both groups)
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E4418B power meter clearing Ram battery failed
My E4418B power meter came up with Ram
battery failed
?
As I only replaced it 3 years ago I opened
it up and it was at 0.2 volts?
So replaced it cleared the fault and did a
sylph test it returned the same fault
?
This happened several times eventually it
cleared?
After a second power cycle and several moor
sylph tests
?
Any one else hade the same problem in clearing
Ram battery failed
?
Regards Paul
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Hello Chuck,
now now. I see this as an offense to the English, having drunk with Brit, Irishman, Scot and Welshperson (Kelper) in Slovakia and always having had a to-the-point conversation without need for trigger warnings or safe spaces.
IMHO, the time has come to fight back against this trend of babyfication. When I was young, Austria had a lively political culture from far right to far left. Yet, everyone respected the other personally and individuals behaving like this fine specimen here () would have been left out to dry from shame.
But, I fully understand that my view of the world is as outdated as my oscilloscope and TMI collection...given that forking the group is impossible for me as I am already gravely overworked, and that I like the (current) collection of members, I grudgingly bide to the owner's will.
However, let me state for the record that caving to feminist / SJW / "for the children" demands, no matter how small, usually is the first step to the downfall of an Engineering organization. I have seen this many times in my recent career...and, now, have become an advocate for a "No Quarters" attitude.
So, let the SJW influx begin.
With best regards Tam HANNA
Enjoy electronics? Join 15k7 other followers by visiting the Crazy Electronics Lab at
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On 2019. 09. 02. 14:49, Chuck Harris wrote: "Bad" is too loose of a term when you are moderating a forum with worldwide membership.
What is bad to an Englishman, is Sunday church talk among of many of the Eastern European countries formerly of the Soviet Union, or their far Northern neighbors.
You probably have to be more specific, and say what you really mean:
Please avoid using graphic verbal portrayals of the rape of puppy dogs, ducks, apes, goats, humans and other entities; sex acts with humans, animals, common kitchen appliances and utensils, and other animate and inanimate objects; when posting on this group. I am sure I have missed a few categories, but please avoid them too.
When I want to learn new ways of swearing, all I have to do is wander over to the local middle school.
-Chuck Harris (only partly in jest)
Dr. David Kirkby from Kirkby Microwave Ltd wrote:
I believe we should all encourage youngsters to join groups like these, especially the HP/Agilent/Keysight group, which can be very educational. Do please do so.
I have received a complaint from someone who encouraged a young member to join, but feels unhappy about the use of bad language. I can see her point. So can you please all stop this.
Dave (owner of both groups)
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"Bad" is too loose of a term when you are moderating a forum with worldwide membership.
What is bad to an Englishman, is Sunday church talk among of many of the Eastern European countries formerly of the Soviet Union, or their far Northern neighbors.
You probably have to be more specific, and say what you really mean:
Please avoid using graphic verbal portrayals of the rape of puppy dogs, ducks, apes, goats, humans and other entities; sex acts with humans, animals, common kitchen appliances and utensils, and other animate and inanimate objects; when posting on this group. I am sure I have missed a few categories, but please avoid them too.
When I want to learn new ways of swearing, all I have to do is wander over to the local middle school.
-Chuck Harris (only partly in jest)
Dr. David Kirkby from Kirkby Microwave Ltd wrote:
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Show quoted text
I believe we should all encourage youngsters to join groups like these, especially the HP/Agilent/Keysight group, which can be very educational. Do please do so.
I have received a complaint from someone who encouraged a young member to join, but feels unhappy about the use of bad language. I can see her point. So can you please all stop this.
Dave (owner of both groups)
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Re: HP8714B source module extender needed
From: hp70000freak
Date: Sun, 01 Sep 2019 06:57:29 PDT
Hello,
I had the same issue long time ago. It
was a faulty RF amplifier stage. As far as I can remember
schematics are in the net and the amplifier was something like ATF
53142 or so.?
I soldered thin coax onto the board in order to pickup the signal
stage by stage and find the fault.
?Cheers,
Hi.
Thanks for that, and yes I suspect it's just an internal
amplification issue.
Yes, I also found some schematics in the past, but also note
that ArtekManuals have the full service manual + clip.
??? ????? and just
put 8714B in the search box.
Need to find some space to do stuff like this, as those modules
with the covers removed (for access) are rather vulnerable to
mechanical damage.
Regards to All.
Dave B
(G0WBX)
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Dr. David Kirkby from Kirkby Microwave Ltd
I believe we should all encourage youngsters to join groups like these, especially the HP/Agilent/Keysight group, which can be very educational. Do please do so.?
I have received a complaint from someone who encouraged a young member to join, but feels unhappy about the use of bad language. I can see her point. So can you please all stop this.?
Dave (owner of both groups)? -- Dr. David Kirkby, Kirkby Microwave Ltd, drkirkby@...Telephone 01621-680100./ +44 1621 680100 Registered in England & Wales. Company number 08914892. Registered office: Stokes Hall Lodge, Burnham Rd, Althorne, Chelmsford, Essex, CM3 6DT, United Kingdom
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Hi, just to confirm: Yes, the battery is a CR17450SE and I replaced it on both my scopes 2013 and 2017 which is quite some work as one has to remove the mainboard to do so. The replacement was priced EUR30 and compared to the work in- volved, I was OK with it. Be aware: (1) If the battery is really empty, the scope even fails to start. (2) After re- placing the battery you will have to do a calibration which is automatic and guided by the firmware. From the datasheet of this battery (i.e. no recharge!!): 250mAh, 3V, max discharge 9mA continuous 150mA pulsed. Best wishes, Erik. On Fri, 30 Aug 2019, Gordon Slessor via Groups.Io wrote: If I remember correctly the battery is a CR17450 it?s a 2/3 A.A. 3 volts with two pins on the positive and one pin on the negative. I have seen them on eBay but they are very Expensive and the shipping is costly too so I use a AA 3.6 volt with long leads at both ends so I sleeved the negative lead and solder it to the board it?s longer by a few mm but there is plenty of room. The battery goes to two Dallas DS1210 each go to two CXK581000AM static cmos ram they hold the calibration data and the switch settings when you turn it off. The Dallas chip is good to 4 volts so ok with 3.7/3.6 volts. There are other batteries that can be made to fit. I alway change the battery on any equipment I buy as you don?t know when the battery was installed these battery can just fall below the cmos ram minimum voltage after many years of use. Has anyone got the CLIP for these series of scopes if so I would like a copy. Gordon Slessor GM1THS
''~`` ( o o ) +------------------------.oooO--(_)--Oooo.--------------------------+ | Dr. Erik Baigar Inertial Navigation & | | erik@... .oooO Vintage Computer | | www.baigar.de ( ) Oooo. Hobbyist | +---------------------------\ (----( )----------------------------+ \_) ) / (_/
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Re: Chips for 5315A/B counter: 1820-2131 and 1820-2312
I also worked with the 6800 family (6892, 6808, 6909) between 1989 and 1984.
In 1986 I worked for the USAF and they were testing a a radiation hardened version of the RCA micro.
In 1980 I bought myself a Heathkit H-89 computer. It had a Z-80 and ran. CP/M. I used it as a development system until about 1989 when I got my first PC Clone.
Bob Macklin Seattle, Wa.
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----- Original Message ----- From: "Harvey White" <madyn@...> To: < [email protected]> Sent: Sunday, September 01, 2019 8:24 PM Subject: Re: [HP-Agilent-Keysight-equipment] Chips for 5315A/B counter: 1820-2131 and 1820-2312 My time ended about 8 years before yours did. I saw mostly Intel (starting with 8088/8086 and some 8080), I knew of Motorola (mostly the 6800 series). While I did have the Mostec books, the RCA COSMAC data (some of it), and my own favorite (mostly due to cost, the 6502), I never saw them in any sort of equipment that I did for my work, but that was military spec stuff, which had its own (and highly beloved) processor.
Harvey
On 9/1/2019 10:48 PM, Bob Macklin wrote:
During my time in the industry (1970-1998) I never saw a MK3870 or any other Mostec micro.
How popular were they?
Bob Macklin Seattle, Wa. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin Oconnor" <kjo@...> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, September 01, 2019 2:47 PM Subject: Re: [HP-Agilent-Keysight-equipment] Chips for 5315A/B counter: 1820-2131 and 1820-2312
To my knowledge the HP3870 was a MK3870 clone.
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Re: Chips for 5315A/B counter: 1820-2131 and 1820-2312
My time ended about 8 years before yours did.? I saw mostly Intel (starting with 8088/8086 and some 8080), I knew of Motorola (mostly the 6800 series).? While I did have the Mostec books, the RCA COSMAC data (some of it), and my own favorite (mostly due to cost, the 6502), I never saw them in any sort of equipment that I did for my work, but that was military spec stuff, which had its own (and highly beloved) processor.
Harvey
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On 9/1/2019 10:48 PM, Bob Macklin wrote: During my time in the industry (1970-1998) I never saw a MK3870 or any other Mostec micro.
How popular were they?
Bob Macklin Seattle, Wa. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin Oconnor" <kjo@...> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, September 01, 2019 2:47 PM Subject: Re: [HP-Agilent-Keysight-equipment] Chips for 5315A/B counter: 1820-2131 and 1820-2312
To my knowledge the HP3870 was a MK3870 clone.
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