Found source module¡ will send pics.?
P
On Fri, Mar 1, 2019, 10:11 AM Peter Gottlieb < hpnpilot@...> wrote: Moving the boards doesn¡¯t budge a thing. The inside of this unit is extremely clean and I wiped the contact fingers with a light coating of DeOxit Gold so I don¡¯t think that¡¯s an issue.? I assume you did the obvious. Flex the boards slightly, tap the motherboard, pull the boards and use a white eraser on the contacts (I tried to rub the gold off and don't believe it can be done but please don't start a flood of replies. If you think this is a bad idea I respect your thoughts). I don't know why gold on gold contacts would need cleaning but it seems fix some problems. Check after each board to identify the area, it still might be on that board. These checks, done methodically, take a short time and sometimes point to the problem before a second problem is added by adjusting something. I had an 8753B that went intermittent with 5 years between failures. It turned out to be a bad solder joint on the motherboard that went undetected for 20 years. Applying pressure to the pin on the right caused the problem to come and go. PeterB <DSC_8502.JPG>
? On Thu, Feb 28, 2019 at 10:41 PM Peter Gottlieb < hpnpilot@...> wrote: I did this and hope I did it right.? It's not easy without the filter.
The unit seems to be closer to operating.? I am not sure if this helped or not;
I'm getting results nearly identical to my trusty older 8753C now except below
about 550 kHz where I still get the PLL failure messages.
I will be digging into this in the next few days.
Peter
On 2/27/2019 10:40 PM, pianovt via Groups.Io wrote:
> Peter, have you done Test 54? Even though you checked the oscillator, it may
> not be sufficiently close to the right frequency. That can cause the loss of lock.
>
> Vladan
>
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Moving the boards doesn¡¯t budge a thing. The inside of this unit is extremely clean and I wiped the contact fingers with a light coating of DeOxit Gold so I don¡¯t think that¡¯s an issue.?
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On Mar 1, 2019, at 10:06 AM, peter bunge < bunge.pjp@...> wrote: I assume you did the obvious. Flex the boards slightly, tap the motherboard, pull the boards and use a white eraser on the contacts (I tried to rub the gold off and don't believe it can be done but please don't start a flood of replies. If you think this is a bad idea I respect your thoughts). I don't know why gold on gold contacts would need cleaning but it seems fix some problems. Check after each board to identify the area, it still might be on that board. These checks, done methodically, take a short time and sometimes point to the problem before a second problem is added by adjusting something. I had an 8753B that went intermittent with 5 years between failures. It turned out to be a bad solder joint on the motherboard that went undetected for 20 years. Applying pressure to the pin on the right caused the problem to come and go. PeterB <DSC_8502.JPG>
? On Thu, Feb 28, 2019 at 10:41 PM Peter Gottlieb < hpnpilot@...> wrote: I did this and hope I did it right.? It's not easy without the filter.
The unit seems to be closer to operating.? I am not sure if this helped or not;
I'm getting results nearly identical to my trusty older 8753C now except below
about 550 kHz where I still get the PLL failure messages.
I will be digging into this in the next few days.
Peter
On 2/27/2019 10:40 PM, pianovt via Groups.Io wrote:
> Peter, have you done Test 54? Even though you checked the oscillator, it may
> not be sufficiently close to the right frequency. That can cause the loss of lock.
>
> Vladan
>
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The only adjustments I¡¯ve made so far are the loading of default correction factors as described in the troubleshooting guide.?
There are two issues I want to track down before considering the unit repaired: ?this unlock problem at low frequencies, and the power levels.?
The power levels may be a problem, or not, I just don¡¯t have the experience to know. I am going to take another set of measurements tonight but what I last saw was that after the default settings were put in the output, which is supposed to be 0 dBm, was about -7 dBm, and varied by a couple of dB over the frequency range. I would not be surprised about the variation, the power meter cal should handle that, but the -7 value seems pretty far off. Maybe that¡¯s to be expected but I just don¡¯t know.?
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On Mar 1, 2019, at 9:46 AM, peter bunge < bunge.pjp@...> wrote: Yes, it still sounds like your Pre Tune frequency is out of range. Don't adjust anything until you confirm this is not the case. You can pull it slightly by adjusting one of the resistors as per my notes. Just put a bigger value in (or a pot) then patch across it until the frequency is correct. If this is not the problem then return the original resistor. I thought you were checking this? PeterB On Thu, Feb 28, 2019 at 10:30 PM Peter Gottlieb < hpnpilot@...> wrote: No joy.? I will have to look into this further and compare with other
instructions.? I will be doing a complete alignment once I straighten this all out.
So, it appears that my opening up the source has done a lot of good.? I still
get an unlock error, but have discovered that I only get the unlock or missing
IF message below around 550 kHz.? At 550 kHz I don't see it at all, as I start
going down it intermittently shows up until at about 400 or below it is pretty
much constantly on.
Does this ring a bell with anyone?
Peter
On 2/28/2019 5:24 PM, johncharlesgord wrote:
> Peter,
> On my 8753D, you need to add "[Meas], ANALOG IN"? after the "MORE, REAL".? The
> "[numeric input], [x1]" then selects whatever analog input is desired.
> I think they just got the command sequence wrong in the manual.
> --John Gord
>
> On Wed, Feb 27, 2019 at 07:19 PM, Peter Gottlieb wrote:
>
>? ? ?Last I left off I was having source problems.? I went through the
>? ? ?troubleshooting procedure (there are some slight issues with it which
>? ? ?confused
>? ? ?me initially) and eventually came to the conclusion the source had very
>? ? ?low and
>? ? ?incorrect output.
>
>? ? ?I looked at the source YTO and fixed oscillator and both had strong output on
>? ? ?the expected frequencies.? Yet, the source hybrid assembly was putting out
>? ? ?almost nothing.? So I figured I'd open it up and take a look. There were some
>? ? ?areas on the last stage that looked burned so I removed that module to look
>? ? ?under a microscope.? It turns out they were just laser trim residue.? So I
>? ? ?reassembled and decided to see if I could characterize the problem more
>? ? ?thoroughly.
>
>? ? ?Oddly enough, now the source module is putting out a "reasonable" signal.? At
>? ? ?least on frequency, but low in amplitude.? So I decided to start the
>? ? ?troubleshooting process from the top.
>
>? ? ?I got all the way through to where you check power and frequency changes and
>? ? ?Analog Bus 3 is checked.? I am hung up here.? The instructions say to press:
>
>? ? ?[System]
>? ? ?SERVICE MENU
>? ? ?ANALOG BUS ON
>? ? ?[Meas]
>? ? ?S PARAMETERS
>? ? ?ANALOG IN Aux Input
>? ? ?[Format]
>? ? ?MORE
>? ? ?REAL
>? ? ?[3]
>? ? ?[x1]
>
>? ? ?the [3] and [x1] button presses don't do anything, nothing on the screen to
>? ? ?indicate they were pressed and no change in the display.
>
>? ? ?The test itself shows bad results.? Since I have low confidence the test
>? ? ?procedure worked I don't know how to proceed.? Also, the procedure doesn't
>? ? ?say
>? ? ?what to do if the test fails!
>
>? ? ?I hooked up a power meter to the R output (with divider and attenuator
>? ? ?like they
>? ? ?show) and instead of 0 dBm output is was more like -7 dBm and varied by a
>? ? ?couple
>? ? ?dM over the entire freq range. Perhaps a simple power meter assisted source
>? ? ?power cal will resolve this.
>
>? ? ?However, I'm still getting the No IF/PLL lock lost error messages! Something
>? ? ?doesn't add up here.
>
>
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I assume you did the obvious. Flex the boards slightly, tap the motherboard, pull the boards and use a white eraser on the contacts (I tried to rub the gold off and don't believe it can be done but please don't start a flood of replies. If you think this is a bad idea I respect your thoughts). I don't know why gold on gold contacts would need cleaning but it seems fix some problems. Check after each board to identify the area, it still might be on that board. These checks, done methodically, take a short time and sometimes point to the problem before a second problem is added by adjusting something. I had an 8753B that went intermittent with 5 years between failures. It turned out to be a bad solder joint on the motherboard that went undetected for 20 years. Applying pressure to the pin on the right caused the problem to come and go. PeterB ?
On Thu, Feb 28, 2019 at 10:41 PM Peter Gottlieb < hpnpilot@...> wrote: I did this and hope I did it right.? It's not easy without the filter.
The unit seems to be closer to operating.? I am not sure if this helped or not;
I'm getting results nearly identical to my trusty older 8753C now except below
about 550 kHz where I still get the PLL failure messages.
I will be digging into this in the next few days.
Peter
On 2/27/2019 10:40 PM, pianovt via Groups.Io wrote:
> Peter, have you done Test 54? Even though you checked the oscillator, it may
> not be sufficiently close to the right frequency. That can cause the loss of lock.
>
> Vladan
>
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Re: 11713A attenuator driver modification for 15V and 5V
Hi,
You have to modify the schematic a bit, as it wont work now, the output must be connected somehow to the ref pin.
The LM317 output pin should go direct to the coil, and the 120ohm resistor should go from the LM317 output pin to the ref pin.
I haven't checked the resistor values.
Br, Askild
On Fri, Mar 1, 2019 at 8:38 AM Robert G8RPI via Groups.Io <robert8rpi= [email protected]> wrote: If you want to modify the unit, fitting a 3 position (24/15/5 volt) switch and a LM317? in series with pin 1 of the output connector would work. The switch would be a 3 position double pole (a ON/OFF/ON toggle would work). Pole one would short out the LM317. the other pole selects the resistor, centre is 15V  Robert G8RPI.
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Yes, it still sounds like your Pre Tune frequency is out of range. Don't adjust anything until you confirm this is not the case. You can pull it slightly by adjusting one of the resistors as per my notes. Just put a bigger value in (or a pot) then patch across it until the frequency is correct. If this is not the problem then return the original resistor. I thought you were checking this? PeterB
On Thu, Feb 28, 2019 at 10:30 PM Peter Gottlieb < hpnpilot@...> wrote: No joy.? I will have to look into this further and compare with other
instructions.? I will be doing a complete alignment once I straighten this all out.
So, it appears that my opening up the source has done a lot of good.? I still
get an unlock error, but have discovered that I only get the unlock or missing
IF message below around 550 kHz.? At 550 kHz I don't see it at all, as I start
going down it intermittently shows up until at about 400 or below it is pretty
much constantly on.
Does this ring a bell with anyone?
Peter
On 2/28/2019 5:24 PM, johncharlesgord wrote:
> Peter,
> On my 8753D, you need to add "[Meas], ANALOG IN"? after the "MORE, REAL".? The
> "[numeric input], [x1]" then selects whatever analog input is desired.
> I think they just got the command sequence wrong in the manual.
> --John Gord
>
> On Wed, Feb 27, 2019 at 07:19 PM, Peter Gottlieb wrote:
>
>? ? ?Last I left off I was having source problems.? I went through the
>? ? ?troubleshooting procedure (there are some slight issues with it which
>? ? ?confused
>? ? ?me initially) and eventually came to the conclusion the source had very
>? ? ?low and
>? ? ?incorrect output.
>
>? ? ?I looked at the source YTO and fixed oscillator and both had strong output on
>? ? ?the expected frequencies.? Yet, the source hybrid assembly was putting out
>? ? ?almost nothing.? So I figured I'd open it up and take a look. There were some
>? ? ?areas on the last stage that looked burned so I removed that module to look
>? ? ?under a microscope.? It turns out they were just laser trim residue.? So I
>? ? ?reassembled and decided to see if I could characterize the problem more
>? ? ?thoroughly.
>
>? ? ?Oddly enough, now the source module is putting out a "reasonable" signal.? At
>? ? ?least on frequency, but low in amplitude.? So I decided to start the
>? ? ?troubleshooting process from the top.
>
>? ? ?I got all the way through to where you check power and frequency changes and
>? ? ?Analog Bus 3 is checked.? I am hung up here.? The instructions say to press:
>
>? ? ?[System]
>? ? ?SERVICE MENU
>? ? ?ANALOG BUS ON
>? ? ?[Meas]
>? ? ?S PARAMETERS
>? ? ?ANALOG IN Aux Input
>? ? ?[Format]
>? ? ?MORE
>? ? ?REAL
>? ? ?[3]
>? ? ?[x1]
>
>? ? ?the [3] and [x1] button presses don't do anything, nothing on the screen to
>? ? ?indicate they were pressed and no change in the display.
>
>? ? ?The test itself shows bad results.? Since I have low confidence the test
>? ? ?procedure worked I don't know how to proceed.? Also, the procedure doesn't
>? ? ?say
>? ? ?what to do if the test fails!
>
>? ? ?I hooked up a power meter to the R output (with divider and attenuator
>? ? ?like they
>? ? ?show) and instead of 0 dBm output is was more like -7 dBm and varied by a
>? ? ?couple
>? ? ?dM over the entire freq range. Perhaps a simple power meter assisted source
>? ? ?power cal will resolve this.
>
>? ? ?However, I'm still getting the No IF/PLL lock lost error messages! Something
>? ? ?doesn't add up here.
>
>
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Thank you Askild. I will order the right parts. I replaced the 28C16 in two analyzers exactly as described by HP (life!) without any issues or error messages. After debugging one and finding the RF flatness calibration constants were all gone. Looks scary indeed but it seems to work without problem. In the meantime I bought an Eprom programmer (kindly advised by one of the forum members), so now I can also follow your way. I consider it a good idea to (gradually) replace all the Eproms in 25+ year old equipment as a matter of preventive maintenance. Eproms can be obtained pretty cheap these days, even from trusted sources..... Thanks again, kind regards,
Harke
On Thursday, February 28, 2019, 10:29:21 PM GMT+1, Askild <megafluffy@...> wrote:
Hi Yes, its 27C512 if you have the 6 eprom version. I think there is newer version of the cpu board that only have 4 eproms, so check.
It is also advised to replace the eeprom, if its the original 2816, replace with 28C16.
The service manual has a procedure to change the eeprom with power on, but I did not use that procedure when I upgraded firmware and replaced the eeprom, I just used my eprom programmer to read out the eeprom and 'burn' it on the new one.
Br, Askild
On Thu, Feb 28, 2019 at 3:27 PM Harke Smits via Groups.Io <yrrah53= [email protected]> wrote: Hello,
I'd like to upgrade the firmware of my HP8562A sa, Can any-one confirm I need to order 27C512 Eproms??
Many thanks,
Harke
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Re: 11713A attenuator driver modification for 15V and 5V
If you want to modify the unit, fitting a 3 position (24/15/5 volt) switch and a LM317? in series with pin 1 of the output connector would work. The switch would be a 3 position double pole (a ON/OFF/ON toggle would work). Pole one would short out the LM317. the other pole selects the resistor, centre is 15V  Robert G8RPI.
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Re: My $25 "In Poor Shape" 3468A has arrived
Thanks George, You are a wealth of information. ? Grabbed a couple pair. Can never have too many probe sets. ?
Thank you.?
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On Feb 28, 2019, at 10:53 PM, " ghnatiuk@..." < ghnatiuk@...> wrote: Greg, Glen, Dave,?
You guys are a better source and recommendations for commercial test leads and probes than I would be.? I have always built my own passive and active probes so have never looked into what is available commercially.
Did a quick search on the pn 34132 and it seems $20 is common for that product.??
The product looks very similar to what was originally shipped with the 3468/78? pn 34118A
Wish you all well.? Goodnight
George
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Re: My $25 "In Poor Shape" 3468A has arrived
Greg, Glen, Dave,?
You guys are a better source and recommendations for commercial test leads and probes than I would be.? I have always built my own passive and active probes so have never looked into what is available commercially.
Did a quick search on the pn 34132 and it seems $20 is common for that product.??
The product looks very similar to what was originally shipped with the 3468/78? pn 34118A
Wish you all well.? Goodnight
George
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Re: My $25 "In Poor Shape" 3468A has arrived
I picked up a set of 34132 probes for $20 off eBay, but they have fixed sheaths, so I got a pair of Pomona 6728 sheathed to unsheathed banana plug adapters.
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On Feb 28, 2019, at 23:26, Dave Miller <ve7hr@...> wrote:
The current set of probes is 34137A.
The ones George mentioned have have been superseded by several models.
They are priced at a modest $75 CAD. Less than what the meter cost me.
Dave
VE7HR
On Feb 28, 2019, at 8:44 PM, "ghnatiuk@..." <ghnatiuk@...> wrote:
Hp 34118A
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Speaking of ohmmeters and such - need info on Meg-Chek 2801 D
The recent ohmmeter talk and such brings me to ask a somewhat OT question. I've been working on some HV stuff recently, so involving my inventory of high voltage/value resistors, and my now-favorite meter (mostly convenience) for checking them. I have this old digital high resistance meter called "Meg-Chek" (that is the spelling) Model 2801 D, from Associated Research, Inc. I've had it for many years, unused, due to some problems. Trying it recently, I found it easy to patch up some minor mechanical issues and range switch flakiness, so now it seems good to go.
I'd like to of course find the manual/schematics, etc as usual, but it seems pretty obscure. The company is still around, but I couldn't find any useful info for this 30-40 year old model anywhere. Does anyone know anything about this unit, or similar ones? It's like a half-rack width 3-1/2 digit DMM, but made only for high ohms, like a Megger leakage tester, going up to 500V, and around E+13 ohms. I've got it fully working now, and got good readings on two of my really nice 300 meg HV resistors. I made the mistake of trying to adjust it so all the ranges would at least agree, but picked the wrong tweak pots to start with, and got it all buggered up. There are about a dozen 10-turn pots inside, for various ranges, test voltages, offsets, etc, which I should have left alone, but couldn't.
It isn't all that complicated, so it's possible to figure out the circuitry, and what pot does what, with a bunch of tracing around, but it sure would be nice to have proper info.
I have plenty of other electrometer and high-R equipment, so I'm not SOL without this instrument, but it is perhaps the handiest, simplest, and most expedient for quick-checking stuff, so I'd like to get it "right" again.
Ed
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Re: My $25 "In Poor Shape" 3468A has arrived
The current set of probes is 34137A.
The ones George mentioned have have been superseded by several models.
They are priced at a modest $75 CAD. Less than what the meter cost me.
Dave
VE7HR
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On Feb 28, 2019, at 8:44 PM, "ghnatiuk@..." <ghnatiuk@...> wrote:
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Re: My $25 "In Poor Shape" 3468A has arrived
Deoxit is great.? I have used it to clean/treat switches on my Keithley and Fluke DMMs and it works very well.
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Re: My $25 "In Poor Shape" 3468A has arrived
Alex,
The 3468/78 were sent to customers with just such a set of removable tips / alligator clips / spring loaded hooks.? The part number for that test lead set is? ?Hp 34118A.
If you want the lowest contact resistance possible, then invest in some Deoxite from Caig Laboratories inc. and coat your plugs with that anti-oxidant oil.? That is the stuff that is shipped with the Hp34420A? nanovolt/microOhm meter:
George
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I did this and hope I did it right.? It's not easy without the filter.
The unit seems to be closer to operating.? I am not sure if this helped or not; I'm getting results nearly identical to my trusty older 8753C now except below about 550 kHz where I still get the PLL failure messages.
I will be digging into this in the next few days.
Peter
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On 2/27/2019 10:40 PM, pianovt via Groups.Io wrote: Peter, have you done Test 54? Even though you checked the oscillator, it may not be sufficiently close to the right frequency. That can cause the loss of lock.
Vladan
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No joy.? I will have to look into this further and compare with other instructions.? I will be doing a complete alignment once I straighten this all out.
So, it appears that my opening up the source has done a lot of good.? I still get an unlock error, but have discovered that I only get the unlock or missing IF message below around 550 kHz.? At 550 kHz I don't see it at all, as I start going down it intermittently shows up until at about 400 or below it is pretty much constantly on.
Does this ring a bell with anyone?
Peter
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On 2/28/2019 5:24 PM, johncharlesgord wrote: Peter,
On my 8753D, you need to add "[Meas], ANALOG IN"? after the "MORE, REAL".? The "[numeric input], [x1]" then selects whatever analog input is desired.
I think they just got the command sequence wrong in the manual.
--John Gord
On Wed, Feb 27, 2019 at 07:19 PM, Peter Gottlieb wrote:
Last I left off I was having source problems.? I went through the
troubleshooting procedure (there are some slight issues with it which
confused
me initially) and eventually came to the conclusion the source had very
low and
incorrect output.
I looked at the source YTO and fixed oscillator and both had strong output on
the expected frequencies.? Yet, the source hybrid assembly was putting out
almost nothing.? So I figured I'd open it up and take a look. There were some
areas on the last stage that looked burned so I removed that module to look
under a microscope.? It turns out they were just laser trim residue.? So I
reassembled and decided to see if I could characterize the problem more
thoroughly.
Oddly enough, now the source module is putting out a "reasonable" signal.? At
least on frequency, but low in amplitude.? So I decided to start the
troubleshooting process from the top.
I got all the way through to where you check power and frequency changes and
Analog Bus 3 is checked.? I am hung up here.? The instructions say to press:
[System]
SERVICE MENU
ANALOG BUS ON
[Meas]
S PARAMETERS
ANALOG IN Aux Input
[Format]
MORE
REAL
[3]
[x1]
the [3] and [x1] button presses don't do anything, nothing on the screen to
indicate they were pressed and no change in the display.
The test itself shows bad results.? Since I have low confidence the test
procedure worked I don't know how to proceed.? Also, the procedure doesn't
say
what to do if the test fails!
I hooked up a power meter to the R output (with divider and attenuator
like they
show) and instead of 0 dBm output is was more like -7 dBm and varied by a
couple
dM over the entire freq range. Perhaps a simple power meter assisted source
power cal will resolve this.
However, I'm still getting the No IF/PLL lock lost error messages! Something
doesn't add up here.
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Re: My $25 "In Poor Shape" 3468A has arrived
Any of you guys ever tried one of those test lead sets that have interchangeable tips? I think they are/where US made and from the 70s or 80s. I remember my brand new 3476A DMM back in the 70s came from HP with such a set and it was quite handy at times being able to swap the tips. General quality was good but no indication of CAT level rating, not that I cared much about it back then anyway. I wonder if those tip threads would add much to the whole test lead resistance. I am not usually much into reading very low resistance (for that I would now probably use the 4W Kelvin cable set I just ordered), or very high voltages (more than +400-500V) either, but rather mostly stick to more mundane readings. Any predictions on how one of these sets might perform on a 3468 for general use?
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I was asking about impedance measurements some time ago and mentioned Microwave Properties North, a local business.
The link I gave was an old one because the site was down. It is now repaired and for those interested in weird measurements you might want to take a look at this. Check the tabs to explore. PeterB.
http://www.microwavepropertiesnorth.ca/
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Peter,
On my 8753D, you need to add "[Meas], ANALOG IN"? after the "MORE, REAL".? The "[numeric input], [x1]" then selects whatever analog input is desired.
I think they just got the command sequence wrong in the manual.
--John Gord
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On Wed, Feb 27, 2019 at 07:19 PM, Peter Gottlieb wrote:
Last I left off I was having source problems.? I went through the
troubleshooting procedure (there are some slight issues with it which confused
me initially) and eventually came to the conclusion the source had very low and
incorrect output.
I looked at the source YTO and fixed oscillator and both had strong output on
the expected frequencies.? Yet, the source hybrid assembly was putting out
almost nothing.? So I figured I'd open it up and take a look.? There were some
areas on the last stage that looked burned so I removed that module to look
under a microscope.? It turns out they were just laser trim residue.? So I
reassembled and decided to see if I could characterize the problem more thoroughly.
Oddly enough, now the source module is putting out a "reasonable" signal.? At
least on frequency, but low in amplitude.? So I decided to start the
troubleshooting process from the top.
I got all the way through to where you check power and frequency changes and
Analog Bus 3 is checked.? I am hung up here.? The instructions say to press:
[System]
SERVICE MENU
ANALOG BUS ON
[Meas]
S PARAMETERS
ANALOG IN Aux Input
[Format]
MORE
REAL
[3]
[x1]
the [3] and [x1] button presses don't do anything, nothing on the screen to
indicate they were pressed and no change in the display.
The test itself shows bad results.? Since I have low confidence the test
procedure worked I don't know how to proceed.? Also, the procedure doesn't say
what to do if the test fails!
I hooked up a power meter to the R output (with divider and attenuator like they
show) and instead of 0 dBm output is was more like -7 dBm and varied by a couple
dM over the entire freq range. Perhaps a simple power meter assisted source
power cal will resolve this.
However, I'm still getting the No IF/PLL lock lost error messages! Something
doesn't add up here.
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