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Re: HP 70 K software Hp 70909A vs 70910A

 

On 08/21/2018 01:54 PM, garp6 wrote:
I would like to obtain software for the HP 70K system, including that
for the 71910 70910 ?system & modules, SA, ROMS, etc.

Is there an archive for all of this ?
There are some 70K-series ROMs archived on Didier's site:




-Dave

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Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
New Kensington, PA
Re: HP 70 K software Hp 70909A vs 70910A

 

hi there,

I would like to obtain software for the HP 70K system, including that for the 71910 70910 ?system & modules, SA, ROMS, etc.

Is there an archive for all of this ?

thank you,
rick
Re: 70K MMS Questions

 

hi Walter,
The red ERR LED on the 900a module may just be a temperature warm up time ~ 1 to 5 min., (?) ?to achieve LO oven stability.
Battery ?

rick
Re: Feet for HP8672A

STEVE REEVES
 

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And of course the screw may be metric or English.?



Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone.

-------- Original message --------
From: Dave Miller <ve7hr@...>
Date: 8/21/18 12:29 PM (GMT-05:00)
Subject: Re: [HP-Agilent-Keysight-equipment] Feet for HP8672A

This is what I am looking for



I believe I ordered the right items.
I guess I will see what I get.
And I did up a quick 3D model so I might print one up in my spare time to check model.
Thanks
Dave
VE7HR
> On Aug 21, 2018, at 9:21 AM, Patrick Manning <pbmanning@...> wrote:
>
> D'oh!!? I followed one of the evilBay links sent to him, and as the auction had ended the 'bay "helpfully" suggested an alternate - the all plastic bottom feet used on the 80s-90s era gear.? Guess I should have looked more closely at the original item.
>
>
> -Pat
>
>
>> On Tue, Aug 21, 2018 at 12:04 PM, Dave McGuire wrote:
>>
>>
>>? The OP was talking about the rear feet, not the bottom feet.? But yes,
>> the System I enclosure feet are a lot harder to find.? Possibly because
>> they're a bit harder to remove. ;)
>>
>>??????? -Dave
>>
>>> On 08/21/2018 02:06 AM, Patrick Manning wrote:
>>> The NEW style putty colored and grey colored all plastic injection
>>> molded feet used on the more modern HP and later gear are readily
>>> available inexpensively on the 'bay.? In my experience, however, the
>>> older, hard black plastic ones with the spring loaded metal lock button
>>> used on 60s to 70s-ish gear are considerably more difficult to come by,
>>> and are also typically much pricier when you can find them.
>>>
>>>
>>> Of course, I have a lot of older equipment that takes the latter.? They
>>> are something I will be exploring the option of printing at some point
>>> in the future when I get an FDM printer.
>>>
>>>
>>> -Pat
>>>
>>>
>>>> On Mon, Aug 20, 2018 at 11:58 PM, Sergey Kubushyn wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, 20 Aug 2018, Ham Radio wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> You can make your own with a 3D printer.? Check your local Public
>>>>> Library
>>>>> - they may have free access to a 3D printer.
>>>>
>>>> As far as I can tell those are pretty standard HP feet that are
>>>> abundant on
>>>> ePay in any colors. I seriously doubt 3D-printed ones would be any
>>>> cheaper
>>>> not even mentioning their poor quality, not even near original feet...
>>>>
>>>> ---
>>>> *
>>>> *? KSI@home??? KOI8 Net? < >? The impossible we do immediately.? *
>>>> *? Las Vegas?? NV, USA?? < >? Miracles require 24-hour notice.?? *
>>>> *
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
>> New Kensington, PA
>>
>>
>>
>
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Re: Feet for HP8672A

 

This is what I am looking for



I believe I ordered the right items.
I guess I will see what I get.
And I did up a quick 3D model so I might print one up in my spare time to check model.
Thanks
Dave
VE7HR

On Aug 21, 2018, at 9:21 AM, Patrick Manning <pbmanning@...> wrote:

D'oh!! I followed one of the evilBay links sent to him, and as the auction had ended the 'bay "helpfully" suggested an alternate - the all plastic bottom feet used on the 80s-90s era gear. Guess I should have looked more closely at the original item.


-Pat


On Tue, Aug 21, 2018 at 12:04 PM, Dave McGuire wrote:


The OP was talking about the rear feet, not the bottom feet. But yes,
the System I enclosure feet are a lot harder to find. Possibly because
they're a bit harder to remove. ;)

-Dave

On 08/21/2018 02:06 AM, Patrick Manning wrote:
The NEW style putty colored and grey colored all plastic injection
molded feet used on the more modern HP and later gear are readily
available inexpensively on the 'bay. In my experience, however, the
older, hard black plastic ones with the spring loaded metal lock button
used on 60s to 70s-ish gear are considerably more difficult to come by,
and are also typically much pricier when you can find them.


Of course, I have a lot of older equipment that takes the latter. They
are something I will be exploring the option of printing at some point
in the future when I get an FDM printer.


-Pat


On Mon, Aug 20, 2018 at 11:58 PM, Sergey Kubushyn wrote:

On Mon, 20 Aug 2018, Ham Radio wrote:

You can make your own with a 3D printer. Check your local Public
Library
- they may have free access to a 3D printer.
As far as I can tell those are pretty standard HP feet that are
abundant on
ePay in any colors. I seriously doubt 3D-printed ones would be any
cheaper
not even mentioning their poor quality, not even near original feet...

---
*
* KSI@home KOI8 Net < > The impossible we do immediately. *
* Las Vegas NV, USA < > Miracles require 24-hour notice. *
*





--
Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
New Kensington, PA



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Re: Feet for HP8672A

 

D'oh!!? I followed one of the evilBay links sent to him, and as the auction had ended the 'bay "helpfully" suggested an alternate - the all plastic bottom feet used on the 80s-90s era gear.? Guess I should have looked more closely at the original item.


-Pat

On Tue, Aug 21, 2018 at 12:04 PM, Dave McGuire wrote:


The OP was talking about the rear feet, not the bottom feet. But yes,
the System I enclosure feet are a lot harder to find. Possibly because
they're a bit harder to remove. ;)

-Dave

On 08/21/2018 02:06 AM, Patrick Manning wrote:
The NEW style putty colored and grey colored all plastic injection
molded feet used on the more modern HP and later gear are readily
available inexpensively on the 'bay.? In my experience, however, the
older, hard black plastic ones with the spring loaded metal lock button
used on 60s to 70s-ish gear are considerably more difficult to come by,
and are also typically much pricier when you can find them.


Of course, I have a lot of older equipment that takes the latter.? They
are something I will be exploring the option of printing at some point
in the future when I get an FDM printer.


-Pat


On Mon, Aug 20, 2018 at 11:58 PM, Sergey Kubushyn wrote:

On Mon, 20 Aug 2018, Ham Radio wrote:

You can make your own with a 3D printer. ?Check your local Public
Library
- they may have free access to a 3D printer.
As far as I can tell those are pretty standard HP feet that are
abundant on
ePay in any colors. I seriously doubt 3D-printed ones would be any
cheaper
not even mentioning their poor quality, not even near original feet...

---
*
*? KSI@home??? KOI8 Net? < >? The impossible we do immediately.? *
*? Las Vegas?? NV, USA?? < >? Miracles require 24-hour notice.?? *
*





--
Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
New Kensington, PA
Re: Feet for HP8672A

 

The OP was talking about the rear feet, not the bottom feet. But yes,
the System I enclosure feet are a lot harder to find. Possibly because
they're a bit harder to remove. ;)

-Dave

On 08/21/2018 02:06 AM, Patrick Manning wrote:
The NEW style putty colored and grey colored all plastic injection
molded feet used on the more modern HP and later gear are readily
available inexpensively on the 'bay.? In my experience, however, the
older, hard black plastic ones with the spring loaded metal lock button
used on 60s to 70s-ish gear are considerably more difficult to come by,
and are also typically much pricier when you can find them.


Of course, I have a lot of older equipment that takes the latter.? They
are something I will be exploring the option of printing at some point
in the future when I get an FDM printer.


-Pat


On Mon, Aug 20, 2018 at 11:58 PM, Sergey Kubushyn wrote:

On Mon, 20 Aug 2018, Ham Radio wrote:

You can make your own with a 3D printer. ?Check your local Public
Library
- they may have free access to a 3D printer.
As far as I can tell those are pretty standard HP feet that are
abundant on
ePay in any colors. I seriously doubt 3D-printed ones would be any
cheaper
not even mentioning their poor quality, not even near original feet...

---
*
*? KSI@home??? KOI8 Net? < >? The impossible we do immediately.? *
*? Las Vegas?? NV, USA?? < >? Miracles require 24-hour notice.?? *
*




--
Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
New Kensington, PA
Re: HP 6012B volt zero and current regulation

 

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Hello,

all I do know is that Rohde released, some years ago, a "capacitorless" power supply.


Tam

With best regards
Tam Hanna
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On 21.08.2018 00:10, Alan Melia via Groups.Io wrote:

One that doesnt give spikes :-))? Any supply with feedback linear or switcher is a potential spike producer !
?
I am not up to date in this area it is possible that slow-start supplies might be best. Other members may have more ideas.
?
Alan
G3NYK
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, August 20, 2018 10:06 PM
Subject: Re: [HP-Agilent-Keysight-equipment] HP 6012B volt zero and current regulation

OK, I'll bite--

What kind of power supply would you recommend?? I always thought that a regulated supply would be the safest.?

Were these linear or switcher supplies that produced the spikes?

Thanks,

Dave


On 8/20/2018 2:31 PM, Alan Melia via Groups.Io wrote:
During 10 years or so doing life tests on transistors in the 1960s and 70s I would not use regulated power supplies for powering the devices during their life test. When asked, I demonstrated the switch on pulse with a Tek storage scope. ok it was only microseconds wide but peaked at the unregulated level.~35v .....enough to damage 24v transistors.This can also happen with a transcient load. It is to do with the bandwidth of the feedback loop.
?
Alan
G3NYK
Re: Feet for HP8672A

 

The NEW style putty colored and grey colored all plastic injection molded feet used on the more modern HP and later gear are readily available inexpensively on the 'bay.? In my experience, however, the older, hard black plastic ones with the spring loaded metal lock button used on 60s to 70s-ish gear are considerably more difficult to come by, and are also typically much pricier when you can find them.


Of course, I have a lot of older equipment that takes the latter.? They are something I will be exploring the option of printing at some point in the future when I get an FDM printer.


-Pat

On Mon, Aug 20, 2018 at 11:58 PM, Sergey Kubushyn wrote:

On Mon, 20 Aug 2018, Ham Radio wrote:

You can make your own with a 3D printer. ?Check your local Public Library
- they may have free access to a 3D printer.
As far as I can tell those are pretty standard HP feet that are abundant on
ePay in any colors. I seriously doubt 3D-printed ones would be any cheaper
not even mentioning their poor quality, not even near original feet...

---
*
* KSI@home KOI8 Net < > The impossible we do immediately. *
* Las Vegas NV, USA < > Miracles require 24-hour notice. *
*
Re: Feet for HP8672A

 

At a cost of about an hour per foot on a fast printer.

-Chuck Harris

Kuba Ober wrote:



20 aug. 2018 kl. 23:58 skrev Sergey Kubushyn <ksi@...>:

On Mon, 20 Aug 2018, Ham Radio wrote:

You can make your own with a 3D printer. Check your local Public Library
- they may have free access to a 3D printer.
As far as I can tell those are pretty standard HP feet that are abundant on
ePay in any colors. I seriously doubt 3D-printed ones would be any cheaper
not even mentioning their poor quality, not even near original feet...
Sure ¡ª injection molded parts are great, but the quality of those feet, when 3D-printed out of something strong like polycarbonate on a reasonably priced printer (~$750 range) would be entirely satisfactory. The layers can be thin and the exterior can be printed slowly to make it look just about perfect.

Discounting printer amortization, the consumables for a set of 4 of those feet would be a few dollars at most. You can get a lot of feet from 1kg of material...

Cheers, Kuba
Re: Feet for HP8672A

 

20 aug. 2018 kl. 23:58 skrev Sergey Kubushyn <ksi@...>:

On Mon, 20 Aug 2018, Ham Radio wrote:

You can make your own with a 3D printer. Check your local Public Library
- they may have free access to a 3D printer.
As far as I can tell those are pretty standard HP feet that are abundant on
ePay in any colors. I seriously doubt 3D-printed ones would be any cheaper
not even mentioning their poor quality, not even near original feet...
Sure ¡ª injection molded parts are great, but the quality of those feet, when 3D-printed out of something strong like polycarbonate on a reasonably priced printer (~$750 range) would be entirely satisfactory. The layers can be thin and the exterior can be printed slowly to make it look just about perfect.

Discounting printer amortization, the consumables for a set of 4 of those feet would be a few dollars at most. You can get a lot of feet from 1kg of material...

Cheers, Kuba
Re: Feet for HP8672A

 

On Mon, 20 Aug 2018, Ham Radio wrote:

You can make your own with a 3D printer. ?Check your local Public Library
- they may have free access to a 3D printer.
As far as I can tell those are pretty standard HP feet that are abundant on
ePay in any colors. I seriously doubt 3D-printed ones would be any cheaper
not even mentioning their poor quality, not even near original feet...

---
*
* KSI@home KOI8 Net < > The impossible we do immediately. *
* Las Vegas NV, USA < > Miracles require 24-hour notice. *
*
Re: Feet for HP8672A

 

Thank you Dave,
Ordered them. :-)
Dave
VE7HR

On Aug 20, 2018, at 8:16 PM, Dave McGuire <mcguire@...> wrote:

On 08/19/2018 11:33 AM, Dave Miller wrote:
Where does one got looking for new feet for the back of a 8672A?
I just unwrapped my recent eBay purchase and its missing 2 of them.
eBay:



Unit seem to work and other than a broken off slide switch lever on the
ALC selector I think I am a happy owner of a functional signal generator.
Very nice!

-Dave

--
Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
New Kensington, PA
Re: Feet for HP8672A

 

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Bernie,
That is my backup plan. ?I own 2 3D printers. ;-)
Would prefer to source real parts. ?
Dave
VE7HR?


On Aug 20, 2018, at 8:11 PM, Ham Radio <bernard.murphy@...> wrote:

You can make your own with a 3D printer. ?Check your local Public Library - they may have free access to a 3D printer.


73, Bernie, VE3FWF
Re: Feet for HP8672A

 

On 08/19/2018 11:33 AM, Dave Miller wrote:
Where does one got looking for new feet for the back of a 8672A?
I just unwrapped my recent eBay purchase and its missing 2 of them.
eBay:



Unit seem to work and other than a broken off slide switch lever on the
ALC selector I think I am a happy owner of a functional signal generator.
Very nice!

-Dave

--
Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
New Kensington, PA
Re: Feet for HP8672A

Ham Radio
 

You can make your own with a 3D printer. ?Check your local Public Library - they may have free access to a 3D printer.


73, Bernie, VE3FWF
Re: HP 6012B volt zero and current regulation

 

I made a constant current load at work, 100 amps 200 volts, of course with a control loop.? When first connected the loop is calling for max current and it made a big current spike.? As this was annoying (making cables jump), I changed it to have a slow start ramp, taking a second to ramp up.? That was pretty easy so I imagine it shouldn't be a problem making a voltage mode supply do the same, and I would expect any decent one to behave that way.

All that was said about control loops is true, you can't get out of that, it's all about the loop bandwidth and also every regulated supply has a particular response, which may be critically, under or over damped.? I have absolutely seen supplies ring in response to a transient load change.? I have also seen really really bad power supply behavior like a 40 volt 20 amp Harrison HP bench supply go severely overvoltage - completely wide open - when a noisy load was applied.? I literally GAVE that supply away.

On 8/20/2018 6:10 PM, Alan Melia via Groups.Io wrote:
?
One that doesnt give spikes :-)) Any supply with feedback linear or switcher is a potential spike producer !
I am not up to date in this area it is possible that slow-start supplies might be best. Other members may have more ideas.
Alan
G3NYK

----- Original Message -----
*From:* David Speck <mailto:Dave@...>
*To:* [email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>
*Sent:* Monday, August 20, 2018 10:06 PM
*Subject:* Re: [HP-Agilent-Keysight-equipment] HP 6012B volt zero and
current regulation

OK, I'll bite--

What kind of power supply would you recommend?? I always thought that a
regulated supply would be the safest.

Were these linear or switcher supplies that produced the spikes?

Thanks,

Dave


On 8/20/2018 2:31 PM, Alan Melia via Groups.Io wrote:
During 10 years or so doing life tests on transistors in the 1960s and
70s I would not use regulated power supplies for powering the devices
during their life test. When asked, I demonstrated the switch on pulse
with a Tek storage scope. ok it was only microseconds wide but peaked at
the unregulated level.~35v .....enough to damage 24v transistors.This can
also happen with a transcient load. It is to do with the bandwidth of the
feedback loop.
Alan
G3NYK
Re: Joel Kist, was Re: [HP-Agilent-Keysight-equipment] HP 6012B volt zero and current regulation

Dr. David Kirkby from Kirkby Microwave Ltd
 

On Tue, 21 Aug 2018 at 02:20, Joel R Kist <joel-kist@...> wrote:
The joel-kist@... is the address I wish to keep. Thanks for the help I didn't realize this. - Joel STS SS

I have deleted the other address for you. You should only receive one copy now.

Dave

Re: Joel Kist, was Re: [HP-Agilent-Keysight-equipment] HP 6012B volt zero and current regulation

 

The joel-kist@... is the address I wish to keep. Thanks for the help I didn't realize this. - Joel STS SS

-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Dave McGuire
Sent: Monday, August 20, 2018 4:44 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Joel Kist, was Re: [HP-Agilent-Keysight-equipment] HP 6012B volt zero and current regulation

On 08/20/2018 02:48 PM, Mark Wendt wrote:
Off subject ¨C I still get duplicates ¨C Joel

By chance are you subscribed to the group with two different email
addresses? Check the headers of the emails that are dupes the next time
you receive them.
Yes, he is. There have been no duplicate messages here. That's a
Yahoo problem specifically.

Joel, you are subscribed at both your sbcglobal.net address and your
att.net address. If you let me know which one you want to keep, I can
chop the other one for you.

-Dave

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Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
New Kensington, PA
Re: HP 6012B volt zero and current regulation

 

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You¡¯re probably subscribed on two different emails that end up at the same place.?

20 aug. 2018 kl. 14:22 skrev Joel R Kist <joel-kist@...>:

Off subject ¨C I still get duplicates ¨C Joel STS SS

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From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of wilson2115@...
Sent: Monday, August 20, 2018 12:50 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [HP-Agilent-Keysight-equipment] HP 6012B volt zero and current regulation

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I refined my test...
Instead of ramping the voltage with the knob. I basically set the voltage to 20V and the amperage to 2 amps. I connected the voltmeter in series with the bulb and performed a dynamic load test by opening and closing the circuit by touching the probe lead of the voltmeter to the output of the power supply... I also have the Fluke voltmeter set to peak amperage measurement and these are the results that I found.

With the 6012B set to 20V and 2A, upon closing the circuit the peak amps are 4 amps but quickly settles to 2 amps
With the 6024A set to 20V and 2 A, upon closing the circuit the peaks amps are about 2.5 but quickly settles to 2 amps.

The important observation here is the 6012B settles back to 2 amps, it seems the settle time is longer and the deviation is larger than the 6024A. Although these are two completely different supplies If anything I could be nit picking here on the 6012B for its regulation settle time and overshoot, which is why I wanted to see if someone else had a similar supply and could see if they could duplicate the same results to see if this is normal...

Thanks for the help

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