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Re: 8594E power supply

 

For all of you with the 859X series portable spectrum analyzers, here is some information that may be useful. Earlier versions of the analyzers used a power supply which was designed and made outside of HP. After a few years, failures started surfacing and HP (re)designed the supply in-house. The later supplies are therefore a HP design and those are the ones for which a schematic is often available. Those schematics will have the HP logo, etc. in the bottom right corner.

Vladan


Re: 8594E power supply

 

Hi all,

Thanks for your help. I've just found a sch witch seems quite similar to
what I have on the boards in this thread:


So I can investigate a bit. The fuse didn't blown and no smoke!

Will tell you more if I found something!

Roland, F8CHK



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Hi Roland

I have repaired several of these PSU and there is no SCH for it but if you
have the SCH for the 8560E series PSU you will find a lot similar.

The main error I have found is the switching FET’s and the corresponding
small resistors, if my fussy memory is correct there are a 220 ohm and a 10
ohm leaded resistor to each FET check these.

The low voltage board has come in 3 different versions where the latest is
SMT but the design is the same but I have not yet repaired any of these yet
so concentrate on the HV switching and the capacitors here as well.

I hope this can help you a bit on the way, I have a handwritten SCH for a
8593A which also gives an idea of the built for the E series if you would
like this let me know.

Michael, OZ2ELA

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Hi all,

I am trying to repair a 8594E spectrum analyser for a friend. The power
supply is faulty, none of the output voltages are ok, all leds on the ps are
off.

This is the 5062-8229 model, made in USA in the 90's. Three boards:
switching regulator 60024, output regulator 60025 and command 60026.

I have read that no schematics are available, is that still true? No visible
default, testing diodes, transistors, resistors, chemicals caps, didn't find
the problem.

I'm wandering if anyone have a faulty ps on a shelf, that may be I could use
to repair mine, two bads = one good, hi!

Open to any idea! Thanks for reading,
Roland F8CHK


Re: 8594E power supply

 

Hi Roland

I have repaired several of these PSU and there is no SCH for it but if you have the SCH for the 8560E series PSU you will find a lot similar.

The main error I have found is the switching FET’s and the corresponding small resistors, if my fussy memory is correct there are a 220 ohm and a 10 ohm leaded resistor to each FET check these.

The low voltage board has come in 3 different versions where the latest is SMT but the design is the same but I have not yet repaired any of these yet so concentrate on the HV switching and the capacitors here as well.

I hope this can help you a bit on the way, I have a handwritten SCH for a 8593A which also gives an idea of the built for the E series if you would like this let me know.

Michael, OZ2ELA

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Emne: [hp_agilent_equipment] 8594E power supply

Hi all,

I am trying to repair a 8594E spectrum analyser for a friend. The power
supply is faulty, none of the output voltages are ok, all leds on the ps are
off.

This is the 5062-8229 model, made in USA in the 90's. Three boards:
switching regulator 60024, output regulator 60025 and command 60026.

I have read that no schematics are available, is that still true? No visible
default, testing diodes, transistors, resistors, chemicals caps, didn't find
the problem.

I'm wandering if anyone have a faulty ps on a shelf, that may be I could use
to repair mine, two bads = one good, hi!

Open to any idea! Thanks for reading,
Roland F8CHK


HP 4815A probe repair

 

Hi :


Is there anybody did repair the probe for HP 4815A ?

Did anyone had measure the resistance between pins of the probe plug?

I did but , the reading had big different from the manual page 5-13 ?

I am using a HP412 to measure the DC resistance !

Any advise ?

Regard
Tony Cheung
JUL 11 2017



Re: 8594E power supply

 

If the fuse isn't blown, some of the small 1-10 uf caps associated with soft start near the control IC may be bad. You also may need to replace some of the caps on the output side of the supply. A good ESR meter is useful along with a "octopus" or Huntron Tracker type unit that shows characteristic curves in circuit. Use good caps sourced from a known non-counterfeit vendor...

When servicing power supplies for the Heath/Zenith computers (1980's) we only occasionally had schematics. We called the fuse the module replacement indicator due to the fact it took 4x longer to rebuild one that failed with magic smoke release...

Jim
n8qoh


On Tuesday, July 11, 2017, 8:36:00 AM EDT, george g_einst@... [hp_agilent_equipment] wrote:


Hi Roland

It is common for no schematics to be available for HP power supplies as these were frequently bought in to a specification not a design from third parties at the time that the 8594E was manufactured.

My guess is that your chances of finding a spare PSU is about as good as finding Hens teeth.

I can and have repaired HP switch mode power supplies. If I can help you please PM me.

73 George G6HIG
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Sent: 11 July 2017 10:36
To: hp_agilent_equipment@...
Subject: [hp_agilent_equipment] 8594E power supply

Hi all,

I am trying to repair a 8594E spectrum analyser for a friend. The power
supply is faulty, none of the output voltages are ok, all leds on the ps are
off.

This is the 5062-8229 model, made in USA in the 90's. Three boards:
switching regulator 60024, output regulator 60025 and command 60026.

I have read that no schematics are available, is that still true? No visible
default, testing diodes, transistors, resistors, chemicals caps, didn't find
the problem.

I'm wandering if anyone have a faulty ps on a shelf, that may be I could use
to repair mine, two bads = one good, hi!

Open to any idea! Thanks for reading,
Roland F8CHK





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Re: 8594E power supply

 

Hi Roland

It is common for no schematics to be available for HP power supplies as these were frequently bought in to a specification not a design from third parties at the time that the 8594E was manufactured.

My guess is that your chances of finding a spare PSU is about as good as finding Hens teeth.

I can and have repaired HP switch mode power supplies. If I can help you please PM me.

73 George G6HIG
________________________________________
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Sent: 11 July 2017 10:36
To: hp_agilent_equipment@...
Subject: [hp_agilent_equipment] 8594E power supply

Hi all,

I am trying to repair a 8594E spectrum analyser for a friend. The power
supply is faulty, none of the output voltages are ok, all leds on the ps are
off.

This is the 5062-8229 model, made in USA in the 90's. Three boards:
switching regulator 60024, output regulator 60025 and command 60026.

I have read that no schematics are available, is that still true? No visible
default, testing diodes, transistors, resistors, chemicals caps, didn't find
the problem.

I'm wandering if anyone have a faulty ps on a shelf, that may be I could use
to repair mine, two bads = one good, hi!

Open to any idea! Thanks for reading,
Roland F8CHK


Re: ifr 2390 analyser

 

Hello Bob,
Please call me on either landline or mobile. Tnx
Cliff G4BGP


On Tue, 11 Jul 2017 at 10:57, Bob Ocallaghan bob.g1epl@... [hp_agilent_equipment]
wrote:

hi am looking for software to operate a marconi ifr spec anl..model 2390...and info on applying to analyser,or where i can get installed..many thanks bob..uk.

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8594E power supply

 

Hi all,

I am trying to repair a 8594E spectrum analyser for a friend. The power
supply is faulty, none of the output voltages are ok, all leds on the ps are
off.

This is the 5062-8229 model, made in USA in the 90's. Three boards:
switching regulator 60024, output regulator 60025 and command 60026.

I have read that no schematics are available, is that still true? No visible
default, testing diodes, transistors, resistors, chemicals caps, didn't find
the problem.

I'm wandering if anyone have a faulty ps on a shelf, that may be I could use
to repair mine, two bads = one good, hi!

Open to any idea! Thanks for reading,
Roland F8CHK


ifr 2390 analyser

Bob Ocallaghan
 

hi am looking for software to operate a marconi ifr spec anl..model 2390...and info on applying to analyser,or where i can get installed..many thanks bob..uk.

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Re: 8560A unknown option

 

Thanks a lot. H15 is 10.7 MHz IF output compatable with option 002.


Re: 8560A unknown option

 

In the "Files" section of this group, there is an Excel file called "InstrumentOptions 1994.xls". The answer to the secret may be there.

Vladan


8560A unknown option

 

Hi,

I have got a 8560A with options 002, 003 and H15.

002 is built-in tracking, 003 is precision frequency reference, but what is H15 ?

Best regards.


Re: E4406A Input Attenuator

 

Did you check input attenuator (if remember 7dB 5W SMA-m SMA-f) just
behind input N connector?
For IP address and real time clock, change the battery on main board -
Panasonic BR2325 Lithium Polycarbon Monofloride
3V, 0.16 Ah.
Milan

On 10 Jul 2017 21:02, "'hardy hansen' hardyhansen@... [hp_agilent_equipment]" <hp_agilent_equipment@...> wrote:

ok

You use the input att to optimize your dynamic range of the analyzer--thats first of all determined by the first mixer 2d 3d compression point.Most hp analyzers are made to use the full dynamic range with signals below -20dBm--one normally use the input att to place the input signal at that range to have the max dynamic range---or optimize when using an external low noise preamp.

Hardy

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This is normal when you chance att settings-all but noisefloor will remain
steady-thats one of the good things whith the new type of analyzers--
Hardy

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Emne: RE: [hp_agilent_equipment] E4406A Input Attenuator

Thanks all - For a bit more information here is what I experience:

1. Set sig gen to 50 MHz, 0dBm
2. Measure signal using VSA == -16.25dBm
3. Set input attenuator for 40dB
4. Measure signal using VSA == -15.4dBm
5. Change sig gen to 1000Mhz, 0dBm
6. Measure signal using VSA == -16.2dBm

Changing the input attenuator does seem to change where the noise floor is
but doesn't seem to impact the measured signal at all. This seems strange to
me but I am far from proficient using this piece of gear.

BTW The unit passes all self-tests & alignments without error but does seem
to exhibit a problem (reported here on the forum before) of the LAN
connection losing it's IP address between reboots).

TonyG

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Subject: SV: [hp_agilent_equipment] E4406A Input Attenuator

Yes
But it completes selftest--so the faullt has to be between rf input
connector and rf switch(used only for cal)- first mixer.
The selftest checks frontend att 1 dB steps from 0-40 with a 50Mhz signal
.
Hardy

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It sure could be something else. Even a low LO to the mixer.

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Subject: SV: [hp_agilent_equipment] E4406A Input Attenuator

Tom et al
If the loss is exactly 15 DB i would look for something else.
Regards
Hardy
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I'm betting it is the GaAs spdt rf switch on the input that has the loss.
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Subject: SV: [hp_agilent_equipment] E4406A Input Attenuator

Tom

Have sent the rf clip to tony--the pictures you are asking for are very easy
to find on the internet

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Can you get a few good pictures of the RF section and post them? Maybe we
can identify how they did the attenuators. Some that I have seen used Gaas
smt spdt RF switches for the attenuators. Later 8657 sig gens did this.

Regards

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Sent: Sunday, July 09, 2017 5:56 PM
Subject: RE: [hp_agilent_equipment] E4406A Input Attenuator

Thanks I took the unit apart, including opening up the A17 RF Assembly,
and there didn t appear to be any mechanical relays in there. I couldn t
find any information on the components closest to the RF input to identify
any solid state relays or programmable attenuators.

In checking around I saw that Agilent promised in 2014 to post the CLIPs for

the E4406A but they don t seem to have followed through on that.

Does anyone happen to have them and could send me the A17 one?

Thanks,

TonyG

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Subject: Re: [hp_agilent_equipment] E4406A Input Attenuator

Sounds like you on the right track , If you lucky the relay is just stuck as

you say and you might exercise your way out of it... could also have
suffered from input overload ...a bit harder to fix
On 7/9/2017 2:30 PM,
tony_goodhew@...<mailto:tony_goodhew@hotmail.com>
[hp_agilent_equipment] wrote:

Hi All,

I just acquired an E4406A and put it on my bench. It seems to work fine
except that it is consistently reading 15dB low.

Poking around I found a control for the input attenuator and that seems to
have no impact on the measured value. From there I looked at the
services/test guide and ran through the 50MHz Input Attenuator Accuracy test

and that showed no change so I think that the attenuator is stuck.

Before I start pulling this apart I thought I might check in to see if I'm
missed something in the system settings that might cause this?

Thanks,

TonyG

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Graticule Brightness Adj for the HP-8562A

 

I had no trouble finding & using the front panel firmware adjustments for changing the main SA trace brightness but I need to turn up the brightness of the background grids (graticules) and misc text etc on the CRT.� Can this be done from the front panel as well or do I need to open up the unit and mess with the video driver PCB?

Gedas, W8BYA

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This is why some people appear bright until you hear them speak.


Re: E4406A Input Attenuator

 

ok

You use the input att to optimize your dynamic range of the analyzer--thats first of all determined by the first mixer 2d 3d compression point.Most hp analyzers are made to use the full dynamic range with signals below -20dBm--one normally use the input att to place the input signal at that range to have the max dynamic range---or optimize when using an external low noise preamp.

Hardy

Fra: hp_agilent_equipment@... [mailto:hp_agilent_equipment@...]
Sendt: 10. juli 2017 19:05
Til: hp_agilent_equipment@...
Emne: SV: [hp_agilent_equipment] E4406A Input Attenuator

This is normal when you chance att settings-all but noisefloor will remain
steady-thats one of the good things whith the new type of analyzers--
Hardy

-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
Fra: hp_agilent_equipment@...
[mailto:hp_agilent_equipment@...]
Sendt: 10. juli 2017 16:18
Til: hp_agilent_equipment@...
Emne: RE: [hp_agilent_equipment] E4406A Input Attenuator

Thanks all - For a bit more information here is what I experience:

1. Set sig gen to 50 MHz, 0dBm
2. Measure signal using VSA == -16.25dBm
3. Set input attenuator for 40dB
4. Measure signal using VSA == -15.4dBm
5. Change sig gen to 1000Mhz, 0dBm
6. Measure signal using VSA == -16.2dBm

Changing the input attenuator does seem to change where the noise floor is
but doesn't seem to impact the measured signal at all. This seems strange to
me but I am far from proficient using this piece of gear.

BTW The unit passes all self-tests & alignments without error but does seem
to exhibit a problem (reported here on the forum before) of the LAN
connection losing it's IP address between reboots).

TonyG

Sent from Mail for Windows
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From: 'hardy hansen' hardyhansen@...
[hp_agilent_equipment]
Sent: Monday, July 10, 2017 4:59 AM
To:
hp_agilent_equipment@... .com>
Subject: SV: [hp_agilent_equipment] E4406A Input Attenuator

Yes
But it completes selftest--so the faullt has to be between rf input
connector and rf switch(used only for cal)- first mixer.
The selftest checks frontend att 1 dB steps from 0-40 with a 50Mhz signal
.
Hardy

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[mailto:hp_agilent_equipment@...]
Sendt: 10. juli 2017 05:43
Til: hp_agilent_equipment@...
Emne: Re: [hp_agilent_equipment] E4406A Input Attenuator

It sure could be something else. Even a low LO to the mixer.

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Subject: SV: [hp_agilent_equipment] E4406A Input Attenuator

Tom et al
If the loss is exactly 15 DB i would look for something else.
Regards
Hardy
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I'm betting it is the GaAs spdt rf switch on the input that has the loss.
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Subject: SV: [hp_agilent_equipment] E4406A Input Attenuator

Tom

Have sent the rf clip to tony--the pictures you are asking for are very easy
to find on the internet

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Emne: Re: [hp_agilent_equipment] E4406A Input Attenuator

Can you get a few good pictures of the RF section and post them? Maybe we
can identify how they did the attenuators. Some that I have seen used Gaas
smt spdt RF switches for the attenuators. Later 8657 sig gens did this.

Regards

----- Original Message -----
From: "Tony Goodhew tony_goodhew@... [hp_agilent_equipment]"

To:
Sent: Sunday, July 09, 2017 5:56 PM
Subject: RE: [hp_agilent_equipment] E4406A Input Attenuator

Thanks I took the unit apart, including opening up the A17 RF Assembly,
and there didnt appear to be any mechanical relays in there. I couldnt
find any information on the components closest to the RF input to identify
any solid state relays or programmable attenuators.

In checking around I saw that Agilent promised in 2014 to post the CLIPs for

the E4406A but they dont seem to have followed through on that.

Does anyone happen to have them and could send me the A17 one?

Thanks,

TonyG

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hp_agilent_equipment@... .com>
Subject: Re: [hp_agilent_equipment] E4406A Input Attenuator

Sounds like you on the right track , If you lucky the relay is just stuck as

you say and you might exercise your way out of it... could also have
suffered from input overload ...a bit harder to fix
On 7/9/2017 2:30 PM,
tony_goodhew@...
[hp_agilent_equipment] wrote:

Hi All,

I just acquired an E4406A and put it on my bench. It seems to work fine
except that it is consistently reading 15dB low.

Poking around I found a control for the input attenuator and that seems to
have no impact on the measured value. From there I looked at the
services/test guide and ran through the 50MHz Input Attenuator Accuracy test

and that showed no change so I think that the attenuator is stuck.

Before I start pulling this apart I thought I might check in to see if I'm
missed something in the system settings that might cause this?

Thanks,

TonyG

--

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Re: E4406A Input Attenuator

 

This is normal when you chance att settings-all but noisefloor will remain
steady-thats one of the good things whith the new type of analyzers--
Hardy

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Thanks all - For a bit more information here is what I experience:


1. Set sig gen to 50 MHz, 0dBm
2. Measure signal using VSA == -16.25dBm
3. Set input attenuator for 40dB
4. Measure signal using VSA == -15.4dBm
5. Change sig gen to 1000Mhz, 0dBm
6. Measure signal using VSA == -16.2dBm

Changing the input attenuator does seem to change where the noise floor is
but doesn't seem to impact the measured signal at all. This seems strange to
me but I am far from proficient using this piece of gear.

BTW The unit passes all self-tests & alignments without error but does seem
to exhibit a problem (reported here on the forum before) of the LAN
connection losing it's IP address between reboots).

TonyG

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Subject: SV: [hp_agilent_equipment] E4406A Input Attenuator


Yes
But it completes selftest--so the faullt has to be between rf input
connector and rf switch(used only for cal)- first mixer.
The selftest checks frontend att 1 dB steps from 0-40 with a 50Mhz signal
.
Hardy


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It sure could be something else. Even a low LO to the mixer.

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Subject: SV: [hp_agilent_equipment] E4406A Input Attenuator


Tom et al
If the loss is exactly 15 DB i would look for something else.
Regards
Hardy
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I'm betting it is the GaAs spdt rf switch on the input that has the loss.
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Tom

Have sent the rf clip to tony--the pictures you are asking for are very easy
to find on the internet

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Emne: Re: [hp_agilent_equipment] E4406A Input Attenuator

Can you get a few good pictures of the RF section and post them? Maybe we
can identify how they did the attenuators. Some that I have seen used Gaas
smt spdt RF switches for the attenuators. Later 8657 sig gens did this.

Regards

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Sent: Sunday, July 09, 2017 5:56 PM
Subject: RE: [hp_agilent_equipment] E4406A Input Attenuator

Thanks I took the unit apart, including opening up the A17 RF Assembly,
and there didnt appear to be any mechanical relays in there. I couldnt
find any information on the components closest to the RF input to identify
any solid state relays or programmable attenuators.

In checking around I saw that Agilent promised in 2014 to post the CLIPs for

the E4406A but they dont seem to have followed through on that.

Does anyone happen to have them and could send me the A17 one?

Thanks,

TonyG

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Subject: Re: [hp_agilent_equipment] E4406A Input Attenuator

Sounds like you on the right track , If you lucky the relay is just stuck as

you say and you might exercise your way out of it... could also have
suffered from input overload ...a bit harder to fix
On 7/9/2017 2:30 PM,
tony_goodhew@...<mailto:tony_goodhew@...>
[hp_agilent_equipment] wrote:

Hi All,

I just acquired an E4406A and put it on my bench. It seems to work fine
except that it is consistently reading 15dB low.

Poking around I found a control for the input attenuator and that seems to
have no impact on the measured value. From there I looked at the
services/test guide and ran through the 50MHz Input Attenuator Accuracy test

and that showed no change so I think that the attenuator is stuck.

Before I start pulling this apart I thought I might check in to see if I'm
missed something in the system settings that might cause this?

Thanks,

TonyG

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Re: E4406A Input Attenuator

 

Thanks all � For a bit more information here is what I experience:


1. Set sig gen to 50 MHz, 0dBm
2. Measure signal using VSA == -16.25dBm
3. Set input attenuator for 40dB
4. Measure signal using VSA == -15.4dBm
5. Change sig gen to 1000Mhz, 0dBm
6. Measure signal using VSA == -16.2dBm

Changing the input attenuator does seem to change where the noise floor is but doesnt seem to impact the measured signal at all. This seems strange to me but I am far from proficient using this piece of gear.

BTW The unit passes all self-tests & alignments without error but does seem to exhibit a problem (reported here on the forum before) of the LAN connection losing its IP address between reboots).

TonyG

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From: 'hardy hansen' hardyhansen@... [hp_agilent_equipment]<mailto:hp_agilent_equipment@...>
Sent: Monday, July 10, 2017 4:59 AM
To: hp_agilent_equipment@...<mailto:hp_agilent_equipment@...>
Subject: SV: [hp_agilent_equipment] E4406A Input Attenuator


Yes
But it completes selftest--so the faullt has to be between rf input connector and rf switch(used only for cal)- first mixer.
The selftest checks frontend att 1 dB steps from 0-40 with a 50Mhz signal .
Hardy


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Sendt: 10. juli 2017 05:43
Til: hp_agilent_equipment@...
Emne: Re: [hp_agilent_equipment] E4406A Input Attenuator


It sure could be something else. Even a low LO to the mixer.


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Sent: Sunday, July 09, 2017 11:05 PM
Subject: SV: [hp_agilent_equipment] E4406A Input Attenuator


Tom et al
If the loss is exactly 15 DB i would look for something else.
Regards
Hardy
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Emne: Re: [hp_agilent_equipment] E4406A Input Attenuator

I'm betting it is the GaAs spdt rf switch on the input that has the loss.
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Sent: Sunday, July 09, 2017 9:38 PM
Subject: SV: [hp_agilent_equipment] E4406A Input Attenuator


Tom

Have sent the rf clip to tony--the pictures you are asking for are very easy
to find on the internet

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Emne: Re: [hp_agilent_equipment] E4406A Input Attenuator

Can you get a few good pictures of the RF section and post them? Maybe we
can identify how they did the attenuators. Some that I have seen used Gaas
smt spdt RF switches for the attenuators. Later 8657 sig gens did this.

Regards

----- Original Message -----
From: "Tony Goodhew tony_goodhew@... [hp_agilent_equipment]"
<hp_agilent_equipment@...>
To: <hp_agilent_equipment@...>
Sent: Sunday, July 09, 2017 5:56 PM
Subject: RE: [hp_agilent_equipment] E4406A Input Attenuator

Thanks I took the unit apart, including opening up the A17 RF Assembly,
and there didnt appear to be any mechanical relays in there. I couldnt
find any information on the components closest to the RF input to identify
any solid state relays or programmable attenuators.

In checking around I saw that Agilent promised in 2014 to post the CLIPs for

the E4406A but they dont seem to have followed through on that.

Does anyone happen to have them and could send me the A17 one?

Thanks,

TonyG

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Subject: Re: [hp_agilent_equipment] E4406A Input Attenuator

Sounds like you on the right track , If you lucky the relay is just stuck as

you say and you might exercise your way out of it... could also have
suffered from input overload ...a bit harder to fix
On 7/9/2017 2:30 PM,
tony_goodhew@...<mailto:tony_goodhew@...>
[hp_agilent_equipment] wrote:

Hi All,

I just acquired an E4406A and put it on my bench. It seems to work fine
except that it is consistently reading 15dB low.

Poking around I found a control for the input attenuator and that seems to
have no impact on the measured value. From there I looked at the
services/test guide and ran through the 50MHz Input Attenuator Accuracy test

and that showed no change so I think that the attenuator is stuck.

Before I start pulling this apart I thought I might check in to see if I'm
missed something in the system settings that might cause this?

Thanks,

TonyG

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Re: E4406A Input Attenuator

 

Yes

But it completes selftest--so the faullt has to be between rf input connector and rf switch(used only for cal)- first mixer.

The selftest checks frontend att 1 dB steps from 0-40 with a 50Mhz signal .

Hardy

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It sure could be something else. Even a low LO to the mixer.

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Subject: SV: [hp_agilent_equipment] E4406A Input Attenuator

Tom et al

If the loss is exactly 15 DB i would look for something else.

Regards

Hardy

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I'm betting it is the GaAs spdt rf switch on the input that has the loss.

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Subject: SV: [hp_agilent_equipment] E4406A Input Attenuator

Tom

Have sent the rf clip to tony--the pictures you are asking for are very easy
to find on the internet

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[mailto:hp_agilent_equipment@...]
Sendt: 10. juli 2017 00:07
Til: hp_agilent_equipment@...
Emne: Re: [hp_agilent_equipment] E4406A Input Attenuator

Can you get a few good pictures of the RF section and post them? Maybe we
can identify how they did the attenuators. Some that I have seen used Gaas
smt spdt RF switches for the attenuators. Later 8657 sig gens did this.

Regards

----- Original Message -----
From: "Tony Goodhew tony_goodhew@... [hp_agilent_equipment]"

To:
Sent: Sunday, July 09, 2017 5:56 PM
Subject: RE: [hp_agilent_equipment] E4406A Input Attenuator

Thanks I took the unit apart, including opening up the A17 RF Assembly,
and there didnt appear to be any mechanical relays in there. I couldnt
find any information on the components closest to the RF input to identify
any solid state relays or programmable attenuators.

In checking around I saw that Agilent promised in 2014 to post the CLIPs for

the E4406A but they dont seem to have followed through on that.

Does anyone happen to have them and could send me the A17 one?

Thanks,

TonyG

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hp_agilent_equipment@... .com>
Subject: Re: [hp_agilent_equipment] E4406A Input Attenuator

Sounds like you on the right track , If you lucky the relay is just stuck as

you say and you might exercise your way out of it... could also have
suffered from input overload ...a bit harder to fix
On 7/9/2017 2:30 PM,
tony_goodhew@...
[hp_agilent_equipment] wrote:

Hi All,

I just acquired an E4406A and put it on my bench. It seems to work fine
except that it is consistently reading 15dB low.

Poking around I found a control for the input attenuator and that seems to
have no impact on the measured value. From there I looked at the
services/test guide and ran through the 50MHz Input Attenuator Accuracy test

and that showed no change so I think that the attenuator is stuck.

Before I start pulling this apart I thought I might check in to see if I'm
missed something in the system settings that might cause this?

Thanks,

TonyG

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Re: E4406A Input Attenuator

Tom Miller
 

It sure could be something else. Even a low LO to the mixer.

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Tom et al

If the loss is exactly 15 DB i would look for something else.

Regards

Hardy

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Sendt: 10. juli 2017 04:53
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Emne: Re: [hp_agilent_equipment] E4406A Input Attenuator

I'm betting it is the GaAs spdt rf switch on the input that has the loss.

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Sunday, July 09, 2017 9:38 PM

Subject: SV: [hp_agilent_equipment] E4406A Input Attenuator

Tom

Have sent the rf clip to tony--the pictures you are asking for are very easy
to find on the internet

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[mailto:hp_agilent_equipment@...]
Sendt: 10. juli 2017 00:07
Til: hp_agilent_equipment@...
Emne: Re: [hp_agilent_equipment] E4406A Input Attenuator

Can you get a few good pictures of the RF section and post them? Maybe we
can identify how they did the attenuators. Some that I have seen used Gaas
smt spdt RF switches for the attenuators. Later 8657 sig gens did this.

Regards

----- Original Message -----
From: "Tony Goodhew tony_goodhew@... [hp_agilent_equipment]"

To:
Sent: Sunday, July 09, 2017 5:56 PM
Subject: RE: [hp_agilent_equipment] E4406A Input Attenuator

Thanks I took the unit apart, including opening up the A17 RF Assembly,
and there didnt appear to be any mechanical relays in there. I couldnt
find any information on the components closest to the RF input to identify
any solid state relays or programmable attenuators.

In checking around I saw that Agilent promised in 2014 to post the CLIPs for

the E4406A but they dont seem to have followed through on that.

Does anyone happen to have them and could send me the A17 one?

Thanks,

TonyG

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From: Artek Manuals manuals@...
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Subject: Re: [hp_agilent_equipment] E4406A Input Attenuator

Sounds like you on the right track , If you lucky the relay is just stuck as

you say and you might exercise your way out of it... could also have
suffered from input overload ...a bit harder to fix
On 7/9/2017 2:30 PM,
tony_goodhew@...
[hp_agilent_equipment] wrote:

Hi All,

I just acquired an E4406A and put it on my bench. It seems to work fine
except that it is consistently reading 15dB low.

Poking around I found a control for the input attenuator and that seems to
have no impact on the measured value. From there I looked at the
services/test guide and ran through the 50MHz Input Attenuator Accuracy test

and that showed no change so I think that the attenuator is stuck.

Before I start pulling this apart I thought I might check in to see if I'm
missed something in the system settings that might cause this?

Thanks,

TonyG

--

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Tek 2710 spectrum analyzer manuals

 

I suppose this is the wrong forum for this, but I have complete set of 2 separate (first and second printing) operators manuals and the blue 3 ring thick users guide for this s/a for sale. First $25.