Date

8594E power supply

 

Hi all,

I am trying to repair a 8594E spectrum analyser for a friend. The power
supply is faulty, none of the output voltages are ok, all leds on the ps are
off.

This is the 5062-8229 model, made in USA in the 90's. Three boards:
switching regulator 60024, output regulator 60025 and command 60026.

I have read that no schematics are available, is that still true? No visible
default, testing diodes, transistors, resistors, chemicals caps, didn't find
the problem.

I'm wandering if anyone have a faulty ps on a shelf, that may be I could use
to repair mine, two bads = one good, hi!

Open to any idea! Thanks for reading,
Roland F8CHK


ifr 2390 analyser

Bob Ocallaghan
 

hi am looking for software to operate a marconi ifr spec anl..model 2390...and info on applying to analyser,or where i can get installed..many thanks bob..uk.

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Re: 8560A unknown option

 

Thanks a lot. H15 is 10.7 MHz IF output compatable with option 002.


Re: 8560A unknown option

 

In the "Files" section of this group, there is an Excel file called "InstrumentOptions 1994.xls". The answer to the secret may be there.

Vladan


8560A unknown option

 

Hi,

I have got a 8560A with options 002, 003 and H15.

002 is built-in tracking, 003 is precision frequency reference, but what is H15 ?

Best regards.


Re: E4406A Input Attenuator

 

Did you check input attenuator (if remember 7dB 5W SMA-m SMA-f) just
behind input N connector?
For IP address and real time clock, change the battery on main board -
Panasonic BR2325 Lithium Polycarbon Monofloride
3V, 0.16 Ah.
Milan

On 10 Jul 2017 21:02, "'hardy hansen' hardyhansen@... [hp_agilent_equipment]" <hp_agilent_equipment@...> wrote:

ok

You use the input att to optimize your dynamic range of the analyzer--thats first of all determined by the first mixer 2d 3d compression point.Most hp analyzers are made to use the full dynamic range with signals below -20dBm--one normally use the input att to place the input signal at that range to have the max dynamic range---or optimize when using an external low noise preamp.

Hardy

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Sendt: 10. juli 2017 19:05
Til: hp_agilent_equipment@yahoogroups.com
Emne: SV: [hp_agilent_equipment] E4406A Input Attenuator

This is normal when you chance att settings-all but noisefloor will remain
steady-thats one of the good things whith the new type of analyzers--
Hardy

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[mailto:hp_agilent_equipment@yahoogroups.com]
Sendt: 10. juli 2017 16:18
Til: hp_agilent_equipment@yahoogroups.com
Emne: RE: [hp_agilent_equipment] E4406A Input Attenuator

Thanks all - For a bit more information here is what I experience:

1. Set sig gen to 50 MHz, 0dBm
2. Measure signal using VSA == -16.25dBm
3. Set input attenuator for 40dB
4. Measure signal using VSA == -15.4dBm
5. Change sig gen to 1000Mhz, 0dBm
6. Measure signal using VSA == -16.2dBm

Changing the input attenuator does seem to change where the noise floor is
but doesn't seem to impact the measured signal at all. This seems strange to
me but I am far from proficient using this piece of gear.

BTW The unit passes all self-tests & alignments without error but does seem
to exhibit a problem (reported here on the forum before) of the LAN
connection losing it's IP address between reboots).

TonyG

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From: 'hardy hansen' hardyhansen@...
[hp_agilent_equipment]hp_agilent_equipment@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, July 10, 2017 4:59 AM
To:
hp_agilent_equipment@yahoogroups.comhp_agilent_equipment@yahoogroups
.com>
Subject: SV: [hp_agilent_equipment] E4406A Input Attenuator

Yes
But it completes selftest--so the faullt has to be between rf input
connector and rf switch(used only for cal)- first mixer.
The selftest checks frontend att 1 dB steps from 0-40 with a 50Mhz signal
.
Hardy

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[mailto:hp_agilent_equipment@yahoogroups.com]
Sendt: 10. juli 2017 05:43
Til: hp_agilent_equipment@yahoogroups.com
Emne: Re: [hp_agilent_equipment] E4406A Input Attenuator

It sure could be something else. Even a low LO to the mixer.

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Subject: SV: [hp_agilent_equipment] E4406A Input Attenuator

Tom et al
If the loss is exactly 15 DB i would look for something else.
Regards
Hardy
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I'm betting it is the GaAs spdt rf switch on the input that has the loss.
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Subject: SV: [hp_agilent_equipment] E4406A Input Attenuator

Tom

Have sent the rf clip to tony--the pictures you are asking for are very easy
to find on the internet

Fra:
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.com>
[mailto:hp_agilent_equipment@yahoogroups.com]
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Til:
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Emne: Re: [hp_agilent_equipment] E4406A Input Attenuator

Can you get a few good pictures of the RF section and post them? Maybe we
can identify how they did the attenuators. Some that I have seen used Gaas
smt spdt RF switches for the attenuators. Later 8657 sig gens did this.

Regards

----- Original Message -----
From: "Tony Goodhew tony_goodhew@... [hp_agilent_equipment]"
<hp_agilent_equipment@yahoogroups.com>
To: <hp_agilent_equipment@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, July 09, 2017 5:56 PM
Subject: RE: [hp_agilent_equipment] E4406A Input Attenuator

Thanks I took the unit apart, including opening up the A17 RF Assembly,
and there didn t appear to be any mechanical relays in there. I couldn t
find any information on the components closest to the RF input to identify
any solid state relays or programmable attenuators.

In checking around I saw that Agilent promised in 2014 to post the CLIPs for

the E4406A but they don t seem to have followed through on that.

Does anyone happen to have them and could send me the A17 one?

Thanks,

TonyG

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To:
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Subject: Re: [hp_agilent_equipment] E4406A Input Attenuator

Sounds like you on the right track , If you lucky the relay is just stuck as

you say and you might exercise your way out of it... could also have
suffered from input overload ...a bit harder to fix
On 7/9/2017 2:30 PM,
tony_goodhew@...<mailto:tony_goodhew@hotmail.com>
[hp_agilent_equipment] wrote:

Hi All,

I just acquired an E4406A and put it on my bench. It seems to work fine
except that it is consistently reading 15dB low.

Poking around I found a control for the input attenuator and that seems to
have no impact on the measured value. From there I looked at the
services/test guide and ran through the 50MHz Input Attenuator Accuracy test

and that showed no change so I think that the attenuator is stuck.

Before I start pulling this apart I thought I might check in to see if I'm
missed something in the system settings that might cause this?

Thanks,

TonyG

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Graticule Brightness Adj for the HP-8562A

 

I had no trouble finding & using the front panel firmware adjustments for changing the main SA trace brightness but I need to turn up the brightness of the background grids (graticules) and misc text etc on the CRT.� Can this be done from the front panel as well or do I need to open up the unit and mess with the video driver PCB?

Gedas, W8BYA

Gallery at 
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This is why some people appear bright until you hear them speak.


Re: E4406A Input Attenuator

 

ok

You use the input att to optimize your dynamic range of the analyzer--thats first of all determined by the first mixer 2d 3d compression point.Most hp analyzers are made to use the full dynamic range with signals below -20dBm--one normally use the input att to place the input signal at that range to have the max dynamic range---or optimize when using an external low noise preamp.

Hardy

Fra: hp_agilent_equipment@... [mailto:hp_agilent_equipment@...]
Sendt: 10. juli 2017 19:05
Til: hp_agilent_equipment@...
Emne: SV: [hp_agilent_equipment] E4406A Input Attenuator

This is normal when you chance att settings-all but noisefloor will remain
steady-thats one of the good things whith the new type of analyzers--
Hardy

-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
Fra: hp_agilent_equipment@...
[mailto:hp_agilent_equipment@...]
Sendt: 10. juli 2017 16:18
Til: hp_agilent_equipment@...
Emne: RE: [hp_agilent_equipment] E4406A Input Attenuator

Thanks all - For a bit more information here is what I experience:

1. Set sig gen to 50 MHz, 0dBm
2. Measure signal using VSA == -16.25dBm
3. Set input attenuator for 40dB
4. Measure signal using VSA == -15.4dBm
5. Change sig gen to 1000Mhz, 0dBm
6. Measure signal using VSA == -16.2dBm

Changing the input attenuator does seem to change where the noise floor is
but doesn't seem to impact the measured signal at all. This seems strange to
me but I am far from proficient using this piece of gear.

BTW The unit passes all self-tests & alignments without error but does seem
to exhibit a problem (reported here on the forum before) of the LAN
connection losing it's IP address between reboots).

TonyG

Sent from Mail for Windows
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From: 'hardy hansen' hardyhansen@...
[hp_agilent_equipment]
Sent: Monday, July 10, 2017 4:59 AM
To:
hp_agilent_equipment@... .com>
Subject: SV: [hp_agilent_equipment] E4406A Input Attenuator

Yes
But it completes selftest--so the faullt has to be between rf input
connector and rf switch(used only for cal)- first mixer.
The selftest checks frontend att 1 dB steps from 0-40 with a 50Mhz signal
.
Hardy

Fra: hp_agilent_equipment@...
[mailto:hp_agilent_equipment@...]
Sendt: 10. juli 2017 05:43
Til: hp_agilent_equipment@...
Emne: Re: [hp_agilent_equipment] E4406A Input Attenuator

It sure could be something else. Even a low LO to the mixer.

----- Original Message -----
From: 'hardy hansen' hardyhansen@...
[hp_agilent_equipment]<mailto:hardyhansen@...%20[hp_agilent_equipme
nt]>
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Sent: Sunday, July 09, 2017 11:05 PM
Subject: SV: [hp_agilent_equipment] E4406A Input Attenuator

Tom et al
If the loss is exactly 15 DB i would look for something else.
Regards
Hardy
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Sendt: 10. juli 2017 04:53
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Emne: Re: [hp_agilent_equipment] E4406A Input Attenuator

I'm betting it is the GaAs spdt rf switch on the input that has the loss.
----- Original Message -----
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To:
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Sent: Sunday, July 09, 2017 9:38 PM
Subject: SV: [hp_agilent_equipment] E4406A Input Attenuator

Tom

Have sent the rf clip to tony--the pictures you are asking for are very easy
to find on the internet

Fra:
hp_agilent_equipment@... .com>
[mailto:hp_agilent_equipment@...]
Sendt: 10. juli 2017 00:07
Til:
hp_agilent_equipment@...<mailto:hp_agilent_equipment@yahoogroups
.com>
Emne: Re: [hp_agilent_equipment] E4406A Input Attenuator

Can you get a few good pictures of the RF section and post them? Maybe we
can identify how they did the attenuators. Some that I have seen used Gaas
smt spdt RF switches for the attenuators. Later 8657 sig gens did this.

Regards

----- Original Message -----
From: "Tony Goodhew tony_goodhew@... [hp_agilent_equipment]"

To:
Sent: Sunday, July 09, 2017 5:56 PM
Subject: RE: [hp_agilent_equipment] E4406A Input Attenuator

Thanks I took the unit apart, including opening up the A17 RF Assembly,
and there didnt appear to be any mechanical relays in there. I couldnt
find any information on the components closest to the RF input to identify
any solid state relays or programmable attenuators.

In checking around I saw that Agilent promised in 2014 to post the CLIPs for

the E4406A but they dont seem to have followed through on that.

Does anyone happen to have them and could send me the A17 one?

Thanks,

TonyG

Sent from Mail for Windows
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From: Artek Manuals manuals@...
[hp_agilent_equipment]
Sent: Sunday, July 9, 2017 11:36 AM
To:
hp_agilent_equipment@... .com>
Subject: Re: [hp_agilent_equipment] E4406A Input Attenuator

Sounds like you on the right track , If you lucky the relay is just stuck as

you say and you might exercise your way out of it... could also have
suffered from input overload ...a bit harder to fix
On 7/9/2017 2:30 PM,
tony_goodhew@...
[hp_agilent_equipment] wrote:

Hi All,

I just acquired an E4406A and put it on my bench. It seems to work fine
except that it is consistently reading 15dB low.

Poking around I found a control for the input attenuator and that seems to
have no impact on the measured value. From there I looked at the
services/test guide and ran through the 50MHz Input Attenuator Accuracy test

and that showed no change so I think that the attenuator is stuck.

Before I start pulling this apart I thought I might check in to see if I'm
missed something in the system settings that might cause this?

Thanks,

TonyG

--

Dave

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Re: E4406A Input Attenuator

 

This is normal when you chance att settings-all but noisefloor will remain
steady-thats one of the good things whith the new type of analyzers--
Hardy

-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
Fra: hp_agilent_equipment@...
[mailto:hp_agilent_equipment@...]
Sendt: 10. juli 2017 16:18
Til: hp_agilent_equipment@...
Emne: RE: [hp_agilent_equipment] E4406A Input Attenuator

Thanks all - For a bit more information here is what I experience:


1. Set sig gen to 50 MHz, 0dBm
2. Measure signal using VSA == -16.25dBm
3. Set input attenuator for 40dB
4. Measure signal using VSA == -15.4dBm
5. Change sig gen to 1000Mhz, 0dBm
6. Measure signal using VSA == -16.2dBm

Changing the input attenuator does seem to change where the noise floor is
but doesn't seem to impact the measured signal at all. This seems strange to
me but I am far from proficient using this piece of gear.

BTW The unit passes all self-tests & alignments without error but does seem
to exhibit a problem (reported here on the forum before) of the LAN
connection losing it's IP address between reboots).

TonyG

Sent from Mail<> for Windows
10

From: 'hardy hansen' hardyhansen@...
[hp_agilent_equipment]<mailto:hp_agilent_equipment@...>
Sent: Monday, July 10, 2017 4:59 AM
To:
hp_agilent_equipment@...<mailto:hp_agilent_equipment@yahoogroups
.com>
Subject: SV: [hp_agilent_equipment] E4406A Input Attenuator


Yes
But it completes selftest--so the faullt has to be between rf input
connector and rf switch(used only for cal)- first mixer.
The selftest checks frontend att 1 dB steps from 0-40 with a 50Mhz signal
.
Hardy


Fra: hp_agilent_equipment@...
[mailto:hp_agilent_equipment@...]
Sendt: 10. juli 2017 05:43
Til: hp_agilent_equipment@...
Emne: Re: [hp_agilent_equipment] E4406A Input Attenuator


It sure could be something else. Even a low LO to the mixer.

----- Original Message -----
From: 'hardy hansen' hardyhansen@...
[hp_agilent_equipment]<mailto:hardyhansen@...%20[hp_agilent_equipme
nt]>
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.com>
Sent: Sunday, July 09, 2017 11:05 PM
Subject: SV: [hp_agilent_equipment] E4406A Input Attenuator


Tom et al
If the loss is exactly 15 DB i would look for something else.
Regards
Hardy
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hp_agilent_equipment@...<mailto:hp_agilent_equipment@yahoogroups
.com> [mailto:hp_agilent_equipment@...]
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Emne: Re: [hp_agilent_equipment] E4406A Input Attenuator

I'm betting it is the GaAs spdt rf switch on the input that has the loss.
----- Original Message -----
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Sent: Sunday, July 09, 2017 9:38 PM
Subject: SV: [hp_agilent_equipment] E4406A Input Attenuator


Tom

Have sent the rf clip to tony--the pictures you are asking for are very easy
to find on the internet

Fra:
hp_agilent_equipment@...<mailto:hp_agilent_equipment@yahoogroups
.com>
[mailto:hp_agilent_equipment@...]
Sendt: 10. juli 2017 00:07
Til:
hp_agilent_equipment@...<mailto:hp_agilent_equipment@yahoogroups
.com>
Emne: Re: [hp_agilent_equipment] E4406A Input Attenuator

Can you get a few good pictures of the RF section and post them? Maybe we
can identify how they did the attenuators. Some that I have seen used Gaas
smt spdt RF switches for the attenuators. Later 8657 sig gens did this.

Regards

----- Original Message -----
From: "Tony Goodhew tony_goodhew@... [hp_agilent_equipment]"
<hp_agilent_equipment@...>
To: <hp_agilent_equipment@...>
Sent: Sunday, July 09, 2017 5:56 PM
Subject: RE: [hp_agilent_equipment] E4406A Input Attenuator

Thanks I took the unit apart, including opening up the A17 RF Assembly,
and there didnt appear to be any mechanical relays in there. I couldnt
find any information on the components closest to the RF input to identify
any solid state relays or programmable attenuators.

In checking around I saw that Agilent promised in 2014 to post the CLIPs for

the E4406A but they dont seem to have followed through on that.

Does anyone happen to have them and could send me the A17 one?

Thanks,

TonyG

Sent from Mail<> for Windows
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From: Artek Manuals manuals@...
[hp_agilent_equipment]<mailto:hp_agilent_equipment@...>
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To:
hp_agilent_equipment@...<mailto:hp_agilent_equipment@yahoogroups
.com>
Subject: Re: [hp_agilent_equipment] E4406A Input Attenuator

Sounds like you on the right track , If you lucky the relay is just stuck as

you say and you might exercise your way out of it... could also have
suffered from input overload ...a bit harder to fix
On 7/9/2017 2:30 PM,
tony_goodhew@...<mailto:tony_goodhew@...>
[hp_agilent_equipment] wrote:

Hi All,

I just acquired an E4406A and put it on my bench. It seems to work fine
except that it is consistently reading 15dB low.

Poking around I found a control for the input attenuator and that seems to
have no impact on the measured value. From there I looked at the
services/test guide and ran through the 50MHz Input Attenuator Accuracy test

and that showed no change so I think that the attenuator is stuck.

Before I start pulling this apart I thought I might check in to see if I'm
missed something in the system settings that might cause this?

Thanks,

TonyG

--

Dave

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Re: E4406A Input Attenuator

 

Thanks all � For a bit more information here is what I experience:


1. Set sig gen to 50 MHz, 0dBm
2. Measure signal using VSA == -16.25dBm
3. Set input attenuator for 40dB
4. Measure signal using VSA == -15.4dBm
5. Change sig gen to 1000Mhz, 0dBm
6. Measure signal using VSA == -16.2dBm

Changing the input attenuator does seem to change where the noise floor is but doesnt seem to impact the measured signal at all. This seems strange to me but I am far from proficient using this piece of gear.

BTW The unit passes all self-tests & alignments without error but does seem to exhibit a problem (reported here on the forum before) of the LAN connection losing its IP address between reboots).

TonyG

Sent from Mail<> for Windows 10

From: 'hardy hansen' hardyhansen@... [hp_agilent_equipment]<mailto:hp_agilent_equipment@...>
Sent: Monday, July 10, 2017 4:59 AM
To: hp_agilent_equipment@...<mailto:hp_agilent_equipment@...>
Subject: SV: [hp_agilent_equipment] E4406A Input Attenuator


Yes
But it completes selftest--so the faullt has to be between rf input connector and rf switch(used only for cal)- first mixer.
The selftest checks frontend att 1 dB steps from 0-40 with a 50Mhz signal .
Hardy


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It sure could be something else. Even a low LO to the mixer.


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Sent: Sunday, July 09, 2017 11:05 PM
Subject: SV: [hp_agilent_equipment] E4406A Input Attenuator


Tom et al
If the loss is exactly 15 DB i would look for something else.
Regards
Hardy
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I'm betting it is the GaAs spdt rf switch on the input that has the loss.
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Sent: Sunday, July 09, 2017 9:38 PM
Subject: SV: [hp_agilent_equipment] E4406A Input Attenuator


Tom

Have sent the rf clip to tony--the pictures you are asking for are very easy
to find on the internet

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[mailto:hp_agilent_equipment@...]
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Emne: Re: [hp_agilent_equipment] E4406A Input Attenuator

Can you get a few good pictures of the RF section and post them? Maybe we
can identify how they did the attenuators. Some that I have seen used Gaas
smt spdt RF switches for the attenuators. Later 8657 sig gens did this.

Regards

----- Original Message -----
From: "Tony Goodhew tony_goodhew@... [hp_agilent_equipment]"
<hp_agilent_equipment@...>
To: <hp_agilent_equipment@...>
Sent: Sunday, July 09, 2017 5:56 PM
Subject: RE: [hp_agilent_equipment] E4406A Input Attenuator

Thanks I took the unit apart, including opening up the A17 RF Assembly,
and there didnt appear to be any mechanical relays in there. I couldnt
find any information on the components closest to the RF input to identify
any solid state relays or programmable attenuators.

In checking around I saw that Agilent promised in 2014 to post the CLIPs for

the E4406A but they dont seem to have followed through on that.

Does anyone happen to have them and could send me the A17 one?

Thanks,

TonyG

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Subject: Re: [hp_agilent_equipment] E4406A Input Attenuator

Sounds like you on the right track , If you lucky the relay is just stuck as

you say and you might exercise your way out of it... could also have
suffered from input overload ...a bit harder to fix
On 7/9/2017 2:30 PM,
tony_goodhew@...<mailto:tony_goodhew@...>
[hp_agilent_equipment] wrote:

Hi All,

I just acquired an E4406A and put it on my bench. It seems to work fine
except that it is consistently reading 15dB low.

Poking around I found a control for the input attenuator and that seems to
have no impact on the measured value. From there I looked at the
services/test guide and ran through the 50MHz Input Attenuator Accuracy test

and that showed no change so I think that the attenuator is stuck.

Before I start pulling this apart I thought I might check in to see if I'm
missed something in the system settings that might cause this?

Thanks,

TonyG

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Re: E4406A Input Attenuator

 

Yes

But it completes selftest--so the faullt has to be between rf input connector and rf switch(used only for cal)- first mixer.

The selftest checks frontend att 1 dB steps from 0-40 with a 50Mhz signal .

Hardy

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It sure could be something else. Even a low LO to the mixer.

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Subject: SV: [hp_agilent_equipment] E4406A Input Attenuator

Tom et al

If the loss is exactly 15 DB i would look for something else.

Regards

Hardy

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I'm betting it is the GaAs spdt rf switch on the input that has the loss.

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Sent: Sunday, July 09, 2017 9:38 PM

Subject: SV: [hp_agilent_equipment] E4406A Input Attenuator

Tom

Have sent the rf clip to tony--the pictures you are asking for are very easy
to find on the internet

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Sendt: 10. juli 2017 00:07
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Emne: Re: [hp_agilent_equipment] E4406A Input Attenuator

Can you get a few good pictures of the RF section and post them? Maybe we
can identify how they did the attenuators. Some that I have seen used Gaas
smt spdt RF switches for the attenuators. Later 8657 sig gens did this.

Regards

----- Original Message -----
From: "Tony Goodhew tony_goodhew@... [hp_agilent_equipment]"

To:
Sent: Sunday, July 09, 2017 5:56 PM
Subject: RE: [hp_agilent_equipment] E4406A Input Attenuator

Thanks I took the unit apart, including opening up the A17 RF Assembly,
and there didnt appear to be any mechanical relays in there. I couldnt
find any information on the components closest to the RF input to identify
any solid state relays or programmable attenuators.

In checking around I saw that Agilent promised in 2014 to post the CLIPs for

the E4406A but they dont seem to have followed through on that.

Does anyone happen to have them and could send me the A17 one?

Thanks,

TonyG

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Subject: Re: [hp_agilent_equipment] E4406A Input Attenuator

Sounds like you on the right track , If you lucky the relay is just stuck as

you say and you might exercise your way out of it... could also have
suffered from input overload ...a bit harder to fix
On 7/9/2017 2:30 PM,
tony_goodhew@...
[hp_agilent_equipment] wrote:

Hi All,

I just acquired an E4406A and put it on my bench. It seems to work fine
except that it is consistently reading 15dB low.

Poking around I found a control for the input attenuator and that seems to
have no impact on the measured value. From there I looked at the
services/test guide and ran through the 50MHz Input Attenuator Accuracy test

and that showed no change so I think that the attenuator is stuck.

Before I start pulling this apart I thought I might check in to see if I'm
missed something in the system settings that might cause this?

Thanks,

TonyG

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Re: E4406A Input Attenuator

Tom Miller
 

It sure could be something else. Even a low LO to the mixer.

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Subject: SV: [hp_agilent_equipment] E4406A Input Attenuator

Tom et al

If the loss is exactly 15 DB i would look for something else.

Regards

Hardy

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Emne: Re: [hp_agilent_equipment] E4406A Input Attenuator

I'm betting it is the GaAs spdt rf switch on the input that has the loss.

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Sunday, July 09, 2017 9:38 PM

Subject: SV: [hp_agilent_equipment] E4406A Input Attenuator

Tom

Have sent the rf clip to tony--the pictures you are asking for are very easy
to find on the internet

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[mailto:hp_agilent_equipment@...]
Sendt: 10. juli 2017 00:07
Til: hp_agilent_equipment@...
Emne: Re: [hp_agilent_equipment] E4406A Input Attenuator

Can you get a few good pictures of the RF section and post them? Maybe we
can identify how they did the attenuators. Some that I have seen used Gaas
smt spdt RF switches for the attenuators. Later 8657 sig gens did this.

Regards

----- Original Message -----
From: "Tony Goodhew tony_goodhew@... [hp_agilent_equipment]"

To:
Sent: Sunday, July 09, 2017 5:56 PM
Subject: RE: [hp_agilent_equipment] E4406A Input Attenuator

Thanks I took the unit apart, including opening up the A17 RF Assembly,
and there didnt appear to be any mechanical relays in there. I couldnt
find any information on the components closest to the RF input to identify
any solid state relays or programmable attenuators.

In checking around I saw that Agilent promised in 2014 to post the CLIPs for

the E4406A but they dont seem to have followed through on that.

Does anyone happen to have them and could send me the A17 one?

Thanks,

TonyG

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Sent: Sunday, July 9, 2017 11:36 AM
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Subject: Re: [hp_agilent_equipment] E4406A Input Attenuator

Sounds like you on the right track , If you lucky the relay is just stuck as

you say and you might exercise your way out of it... could also have
suffered from input overload ...a bit harder to fix
On 7/9/2017 2:30 PM,
tony_goodhew@...
[hp_agilent_equipment] wrote:

Hi All,

I just acquired an E4406A and put it on my bench. It seems to work fine
except that it is consistently reading 15dB low.

Poking around I found a control for the input attenuator and that seems to
have no impact on the measured value. From there I looked at the
services/test guide and ran through the 50MHz Input Attenuator Accuracy test

and that showed no change so I think that the attenuator is stuck.

Before I start pulling this apart I thought I might check in to see if I'm
missed something in the system settings that might cause this?

Thanks,

TonyG

--

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Hp 8601A sweep op and service manual

 

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Re: E4406A Input Attenuator

 

Tom et al

If the loss is exactly 15 DB i would look for something else.

Regards

Hardy

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Emne: Re: [hp_agilent_equipment] E4406A Input Attenuator

I'm betting it is the GaAs spdt rf switch on the input that has the loss.

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Sunday, July 09, 2017 9:38 PM

Subject: SV: [hp_agilent_equipment] E4406A Input Attenuator

Tom

Have sent the rf clip to tony--the pictures you are asking for are very easy
to find on the internet

Fra: hp_agilent_equipment@...
[mailto:hp_agilent_equipment@...]
Sendt: 10. juli 2017 00:07
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Emne: Re: [hp_agilent_equipment] E4406A Input Attenuator

Can you get a few good pictures of the RF section and post them? Maybe we
can identify how they did the attenuators. Some that I have seen used Gaas
smt spdt RF switches for the attenuators. Later 8657 sig gens did this.

Regards

----- Original Message -----
From: "Tony Goodhew tony_goodhew@... [hp_agilent_equipment]"

To:
Sent: Sunday, July 09, 2017 5:56 PM
Subject: RE: [hp_agilent_equipment] E4406A Input Attenuator

Thanks I took the unit apart, including opening up the A17 RF Assembly,
and there didnt appear to be any mechanical relays in there. I couldnt
find any information on the components closest to the RF input to identify
any solid state relays or programmable attenuators.

In checking around I saw that Agilent promised in 2014 to post the CLIPs for

the E4406A but they dont seem to have followed through on that.

Does anyone happen to have them and could send me the A17 one?

Thanks,

TonyG

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Sent: Sunday, July 9, 2017 11:36 AM
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Subject: Re: [hp_agilent_equipment] E4406A Input Attenuator

Sounds like you on the right track , If you lucky the relay is just stuck as

you say and you might exercise your way out of it... could also have
suffered from input overload ...a bit harder to fix
On 7/9/2017 2:30 PM,
tony_goodhew@...
[hp_agilent_equipment] wrote:

Hi All,

I just acquired an E4406A and put it on my bench. It seems to work fine
except that it is consistently reading 15dB low.

Poking around I found a control for the input attenuator and that seems to
have no impact on the measured value. From there I looked at the
services/test guide and ran through the 50MHz Input Attenuator Accuracy test

and that showed no change so I think that the attenuator is stuck.

Before I start pulling this apart I thought I might check in to see if I'm
missed something in the system settings that might cause this?

Thanks,

TonyG

--

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Re: E4406A Input Attenuator

Tom Miller
 

I'm betting it is the GaAs spdt rf switch on the input that has the loss.

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, July 09, 2017 9:38 PM
Subject: SV: [hp_agilent_equipment] E4406A Input Attenuator

Tom

Have sent the rf clip to tony--the pictures you are asking for are very easy
to find on the internet

Fra: hp_agilent_equipment@...
[mailto:hp_agilent_equipment@...]
Sendt: 10. juli 2017 00:07
Til: hp_agilent_equipment@...
Emne: Re: [hp_agilent_equipment] E4406A Input Attenuator

Can you get a few good pictures of the RF section and post them? Maybe we
can identify how they did the attenuators. Some that I have seen used Gaas
smt spdt RF switches for the attenuators. Later 8657 sig gens did this.

Regards

----- Original Message -----
From: "Tony Goodhew tony_goodhew@... [hp_agilent_equipment]"

To:
Sent: Sunday, July 09, 2017 5:56 PM
Subject: RE: [hp_agilent_equipment] E4406A Input Attenuator

Thanks I took the unit apart, including opening up the A17 RF Assembly,
and there didnt appear to be any mechanical relays in there. I couldnt
find any information on the components closest to the RF input to identify
any solid state relays or programmable attenuators.

In checking around I saw that Agilent promised in 2014 to post the CLIPs for

the E4406A but they dont seem to have followed through on that.

Does anyone happen to have them and could send me the A17 one?

Thanks,

TonyG

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From: Artek Manuals manuals@...
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Sent: Sunday, July 9, 2017 11:36 AM
To:
hp_agilent_equipment@...>
Subject: Re: [hp_agilent_equipment] E4406A Input Attenuator

Sounds like you on the right track , If you lucky the relay is just stuck as

you say and you might exercise your way out of it... could also have
suffered from input overload ...a bit harder to fix
On 7/9/2017 2:30 PM,
tony_goodhew@...
[hp_agilent_equipment] wrote:

Hi All,

I just acquired an E4406A and put it on my bench. It seems to work fine
except that it is consistently reading 15dB low.

Poking around I found a control for the input attenuator and that seems to
have no impact on the measured value. From there I looked at the
services/test guide and ran through the 50MHz Input Attenuator Accuracy test

and that showed no change so I think that the attenuator is stuck.

Before I start pulling this apart I thought I might check in to see if I'm
missed something in the system settings that might cause this?

Thanks,

TonyG

--

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Re: E4406A Input Attenuator

Tom Miller
 

The input switch U38(spdt GaAs) is available. Do a google search for it. MGS-71018 . I have seen these get lossy at 10 to 20 dB. That would be the first thing I would try.
This should work though it is only rated to 2.5 GHz but has the same levels:
Or maybe find the exact part on google.
The attenuator may be hard to find so hope it is the switch. It is the first thing in line to be damaged by a oops.
Tom

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, July 09, 2017 8:21 PM
Subject: Re: [hp_agilent_equipment] E4406A Input Attenuator

Hey Tom - Thanks for the reply.

David.DiG sent me the CLIP (I'm hosting it here for now) and that provided the key detail to identify the bits.

The top of the board near the input looks like this:


but it turns out that the attenuator is on the bottom of the board:


This part is AT1, which interestingly doesn't seem to be listed in the parts list but is marked on the schematic and the IC itself as 1GM1-4203. Now either that has failed in such a way to put 15dB of attenuation inline or something in the control circuit has died and is asserting some combination of control lines to drive AT1 to 15dB.

I don't know if it is safe to apply an Oc cam's Razor to this but it does seem more likely that AT1 died than multiple op amps (MC33178D), resistors or capacitors have died.

It looks like I might be able to remove the shielding and plug the card in and probe the control lines to see what is asserted.

If anyone has any other suggestions I'm open to thoughts/comments. Any idea of where I might get a replacement 1GM1-4203 would be helpful as well.

Thanks,

TonyG


Re: E4406A Input Attenuator

 

Tom

Have sent the rf clip to tony--the pictures you are asking for are very easy
to find on the internet



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[mailto:hp_agilent_equipment@...]
Sendt: 10. juli 2017 00:07
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Can you get a few good pictures of the RF section and post them? Maybe we
can identify how they did the attenuators. Some that I have seen used Gaas
smt spdt RF switches for the attenuators. Later 8657 sig gens did this.

Regards

----- Original Message -----
From: "Tony Goodhew tony_goodhew@... [hp_agilent_equipment]"
<hp_agilent_equipment@...>
To: <hp_agilent_equipment@...>
Sent: Sunday, July 09, 2017 5:56 PM
Subject: RE: [hp_agilent_equipment] E4406A Input Attenuator

Thanks I took the unit apart, including opening up the A17 RF Assembly,
and there didnt appear to be any mechanical relays in there. I couldnt
find any information on the components closest to the RF input to identify
any solid state relays or programmable attenuators.

In checking around I saw that Agilent promised in 2014 to post the CLIPs for

the E4406A but they dont seem to have followed through on that.

Does anyone happen to have them and could send me the A17 one?

Thanks,

TonyG

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.com>
Subject: Re: [hp_agilent_equipment] E4406A Input Attenuator

Sounds like you on the right track , If you lucky the relay is just stuck as

you say and you might exercise your way out of it... could also have
suffered from input overload ...a bit harder to fix
On 7/9/2017 2:30 PM,
tony_goodhew@...<mailto:tony_goodhew@...>
[hp_agilent_equipment] wrote:

Hi All,

I just acquired an E4406A and put it on my bench. It seems to work fine
except that it is consistently reading 15dB low.

Poking around I found a control for the input attenuator and that seems to
have no impact on the measured value. From there I looked at the
services/test guide and ran through the 50MHz Input Attenuator Accuracy test

and that showed no change so I think that the attenuator is stuck.

Before I start pulling this apart I thought I might check in to see if I'm
missed something in the system settings that might cause this?

Thanks,

TonyG

--

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Re: HP 9000 300 & HP-HIL keyboard

 

On Sun, 9 Jul 2017 17:34:04 -0400, you wrote:

Hi Paul

I agree. I got concerned that the thread would get hijacked using
Harvey's description. HP-HIL is the "human Interface Loop" for
keyboards and the like, and HP-IL is the "low power" loop to transfer
data between instruments and other peripherals, sort of like a low
power, serial version of HP-IB. Entirely different! So just to set the
record straight.....
Aha, now I know better. I (think) I was talking from computer and
instrument, which makes it HP-IL, and not HP-HIL. I remember this
going from either logic analyzer to computer (never quite had one) or
from keypad/computer to something else.


Interesting.

Harvey


Daun

On 7/9/2017 5:18 PM, 'Paul Bicknell' paul@...
[hp_agilent_equipment] wrote:

Hi Daun

I hope we are all talking *HP-HIL* keyboards to go with the 9000 /
100 / 200 / 300 computers and the 70 K MMS 70004 display

Paul B

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*From:*hp_agilent_equipment@...
[mailto:hp_agilent_equipment@...]
*Sent:* 09 July 2017 20:37
*To:* hp_agilent_equipment@...
*Subject:* Re: [hp_agilent_equipment] Re: HP 9000 300 & HP-HIL keyboard

Are we talking about HPIL, or HP-HIL here? These are two completely
different things!

Daun

On 7/9/2017 3:31 PM, Harvey White madyn@...
<mailto:madyn@...> [hp_agilent_equipment] wrote:

On Sun, 9 Jul 2017 17:19:49 +0000 (UTC), you wrote:


Hi Harvey,
You should take a look at this on ebay, not my listing.
Thanks for the info. The only things I have that uses HPIL are two HP
old pocket computers. I think one of my very old logic analyzers used
HPIL, but that's all I have. Those little pocket computers are not
currently functioning, though.

One of those attribution things.

Harvey


HP HIL PS2 Mouse Keyboard Adapter Module frre shipping | eBay

| $ 39.99 | |

HP HIL PS2 Mouse Keyboard Adapter Module frre shipping | eBay
Selling a used working HP HIL PS2 Mouse Keyboard Adapter Module frre
shipping to lower 48 states only. | eBay! | |


On Sunday, July 9, 2017 9:16 AM, "Harvey White
madyn@... <mailto:madyn@...>
[hp_agilent_equipment]" <hp_agilent_equipment@...>
<mailto:hp_agilent_equipment@...> wrote:


On Sun, 9 Jul 2017 12:54:13 +0100, you wrote:

Hi all


Just a follow on from the E mail below so thank you to the author I
believe is named Bruno

Did someone offer to make an inter face between different keyboards eg (
mine din or USB ) to HP-HIL USB


Also Digi key is a new company to me and although they have the
connectors
is there any way of getting a better price
The major distributors are Mouser, Digikey, Hamilton-Avnet. You might
want to look at surplus distributors such as All Electronics,
Electronics Goldmine, and (not quite a surplus distributor) Jameco.

I've dealt with all of them, they're quite reliable. Sometimes prices
for the major distributors do vary a bit, but be sure to figure in
shipping and taxes as well.

Harvey


As i require 2 HP-HIL Keyboard leads


Best Regards Paul B


From: hp_agilent_equipment@...
<mailto:hp_agilent_equipment@...>
[mailto:hp_agilent_equipment@...]
Sent: 05 April 2017 16:45
To: hp_agilent_equipment@...
<mailto:hp_agilent_equipment@...>
Subject: [hp_agilent_equipment] Re: HP 9000 300 & HP-HIL keyboard


The TE Connectivity AMP Connectors 1-1761184-1 and 5-1761184-1 seem
to match
the HP-HIL cable connectors.


<
ocNm=1761184&DocType=Customer+Drawing&DocLang=English>
&DocNm=1761184&DocType=Customer+Drawing&DocLang=English


Where 1-1761184-1 has the "A" key for the One-Dot cable end and
5-1761184-1
has the "E" key for the Two-Dot cable end.


These appear to be a stocked item at Digikey and likely similar: Mouser,
Arrow, etc.






Other manufacturer may be using the same SDL, Plug Modular Connector 4
Positions Position Shielded Crimp connectors for products other than
HP-HIL.


I happened to have an IBM Point of Sale LCD Display that uses the
"A" keyed
connector for it's receptacles/cables though it likely uses RS-485 vs.
HP-HIL. similar to:

I tried the "A" (One-Dot) end of an HP-HIL in the receptacle of the LCD
display and it made good electrical contact and mechanically
latched. The
IBM SDL cable that I have has "A" connectors on both ends and it has a
different pinout than the HP-HIL cable. Still, similar IBM POS
cables might
be used for the "A" end of HP-HIL cable or by remapping the the
wiring and
hacking the "A" key to fit in a "E" receptacle.


I provide this to add to the discussion and possibly stimulate others
research/evaluation. I make no claims to suitability/accuracy/etc. I
don't
represent any of the vendors.


I thought I had an HP-HIL keyboard that I might use to help develop
a "real"
PS/2 to HP-HIL converter, but it was an HP PS/2 keyboard with modular
cables. Also, my plan use for my logic analyzer with HP-HIL is as spare
parts for a newer logic analyzer with PS/2. So, my converter plans are
suspended.


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Re: HP 9000 300 & HP-HIL keyboard

 

On Sun, 9 Jul 2017 15:37:06 -0400, you wrote:

Are we talking about HPIL, or HP-HIL here? These are two completely
different things!
I was thinking HPIL. Odd serial format with odd connectors and not
all that popular (to me).

Harvey




Daun

On 7/9/2017 3:31 PM, Harvey White madyn@...
[hp_agilent_equipment] wrote:

On Sun, 9 Jul 2017 17:19:49 +0000 (UTC), you wrote:


Hi Harvey,
You should take a look at this on ebay, not my listing.
Thanks for the info. The only things I have that uses HPIL are two HP
old pocket computers. I think one of my very old logic analyzers used
HPIL, but that's all I have. Those little pocket computers are not
currently functioning, though.

One of those attribution things.

Harvey


HP HIL PS2 Mouse Keyboard Adapter Module frre shipping | eBay

|
|
|
| $ 39.99 | |

|

|
|
| |
HP HIL PS2 Mouse Keyboard Adapter Module frre shipping | eBay
Selling a used working HP HIL PS2 Mouse Keyboard Adapter Module frre
shipping to lower 48 states only. | eBay! | |

|

|




On Sunday, July 9, 2017 9:16 AM, "Harvey White
madyn@... [hp_agilent_equipment]"
<hp_agilent_equipment@...> wrote:


On Sun, 9 Jul 2017 12:54:13 +0100, you wrote:

Hi all



Just a follow on from the E mail below so thank you to the author I
believe is named Bruno



Did someone offer to make an inter face between different keyboards eg (
mine din or USB ) to HP-HIL USB



Also Digi key is a new company to me and although they have the
connectors
is there any way of getting a better price
The major distributors are Mouser, Digikey, Hamilton-Avnet. You might
want to look at surplus distributors such as All Electronics,
Electronics Goldmine, and (not quite a surplus distributor) Jameco.

I've dealt with all of them, they're quite reliable. Sometimes prices
for the major distributors do vary a bit, but be sure to figure in
shipping and taxes as well.

Harvey


As i require 2 HP-HIL Keyboard leads



Best Regards Paul B

_____

From: hp_agilent_equipment@...
[mailto:hp_agilent_equipment@...]
Sent: 05 April 2017 16:45
To: hp_agilent_equipment@...
Subject: [hp_agilent_equipment] Re: HP 9000 300 & HP-HIL keyboard





The TE Connectivity AMP Connectors 1-1761184-1 and 5-1761184-1 seem
to match
the HP-HIL cable connectors.


<
ocNm=1761184&DocType=Customer+Drawing&DocLang=English>
&DocNm=1761184&DocType=Customer+Drawing&DocLang=English



Where 1-1761184-1 has the "A" key for the One-Dot cable end and
5-1761184-1
has the "E" key for the Two-Dot cable end.



These appear to be a stocked item at Digikey and likely similar: Mouser,
Arrow, etc.







Other manufacturer may be using the same SDL, Plug Modular Connector 4
Positions Position Shielded Crimp connectors for products other than
HP-HIL.



I happened to have an IBM Point of Sale LCD Display that uses the
"A" keyed
connector for it's receptacles/cables though it likely uses RS-485 vs.
HP-HIL. similar to:

I tried the "A" (One-Dot) end of an HP-HIL in the receptacle of the LCD
display and it made good electrical contact and mechanically
latched. The
IBM SDL cable that I have has "A" connectors on both ends and it has a
different pinout than the HP-HIL cable. Still, similar IBM POS
cables might
be used for the "A" end of HP-HIL cable or by remapping the the
wiring and
hacking the "A" key to fit in a "E" receptacle.



I provide this to add to the discussion and possibly stimulate others
research/evaluation. I make no claims to suitability/accuracy/etc. I
don't
represent any of the vendors.



I thought I had an HP-HIL keyboard that I might use to help develop
a "real"
PS/2 to HP-HIL converter, but it was an HP PS/2 keyboard with modular
cables. Also, my plan use for my logic analyzer with HP-HIL is as spare
parts for a newer logic analyzer with PS/2. So, my converter plans are
suspended.



No virus found in this message.
Checked by AVG - www.avg.com <>
Version: 2016.0.8012 / Virus Database: 4769/14245 - Release Date:
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