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Re: 16700B mouse and keyboard compatibility

 

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On 2016-02-18 4:30 PM, sreeb sreeb@... [hp_agilent_equipment] wrote:
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I just tried to update from an ancient logitech ps/2 mouse with ball to
a new ps/2 laser mouse. My 16700B didn't recognize it.

Same result with a new compact keyboard. My old one, that dates from
around 1990, works fine.

Both are native ps/2 devices and work on windows machines with ps/2
interfaces.

Has anyone else encountered this problem?

Ed

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I use a Logitech M-BD58 mouse on my 16700A without any problems.? This is an older optical mouse with a USB-PS/2 adapter on the end.? I do recall reading that some keyboards and mice did not work do to the absence of some pullups on the 16700 PS/2 ports, but I am no longer sure where I saw that.? My keyboard is an ancient compact keyboard from a Compaq portable 486.

Paul.

16700B mouse and keyboard compatibility

 

I just tried to update from an ancient logitech ps/2 mouse with ball to a new ps/2 laser mouse. My 16700B didn't recognize it.

Same result with a new compact keyboard. My old one, that dates from around 1990, works fine.

Both are native ps/2 devices and work on windows machines with ps/2 interfaces.

Has anyone else encountered this problem?

Ed
Re: Free for shipping: HP 412A

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Hello,
The insides look pristine. There is one gentleman who claims to want this, but if I don't hear from him today or tomorrow, you can certainly have it.

Thanks

Ashley








Thank You
Kiss-Electronics
Ms Ashley Hall
183 N 5th Avenue
Cornelius, Oregon
97113


W7DUZ


www.kiss-electronics.com

-----Original Message-----
From: Bob Albert bob91343@... [hp_agilent_equipment] <hp_agilent_equipment@...>
To: hp_agilent_equipment <hp_agilent_equipment@...>
Sent: Thu, Feb 18, 2016 12:22 pm
Subject: Re: [hp_agilent_equipment] Free for shipping: HP 412A





Does this unit have a good range switch? I have one I got from you but its range switch is bad and if I can get a good switch (with attached components) from you, I'd be happy to take that off your hands.


Bob K6DDX









On Tuesday, February 16, 2016 2:59 PM, "Ashley40@... [hp_agilent_equipment]" <hp_agilent_equipment@...> wrote:









Free for shipping ( We believe this thing will fit into a USPS large flat rate box ($26) to the lower 48:
All electronic innards are there, including panel and meter and all panel switches. Outer case and carry handle in good condition . No tubes or test leads or front bezel.
AC cord has been snipped off.


Thank You
Kiss Electronics
Cornelius, Oregon
Ms Ashley Hall
W7DUZ



















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Re: Free for shipping: HP 412A

Bob Albert
 

Does this unit have a good range switch?? I have one I got from you but its range switch is bad and if I can get a good switch (with attached components) from you, I'd be happy to take that off your hands.

Bob K6DDX


On Tuesday, February 16, 2016 2:59 PM, "Ashley40@... [hp_agilent_equipment]" wrote:




Free for shipping ( We believe this thing will fit into a USPS large flat rate box ($26) to the lower 48:
All electronic innards are there, including panel and meter and all panel switches. Outer case and carry handle in good condition . ?No tubes or test leads or front bezel.
AC cord has been snipped off.

Thank You
Kiss Electronics
Cornelius, Oregon
Ms Ashley Hall
W7DUZ
Re: eBay buyer protections are poor

 

Another thing to remember is that ebay rules are different in other countries and protection differs with auction V buy it now and private V business sellers. Read feedback. I only order from China if I'm prepared to write it off, but so far I've been lucky in that area. As a seller I've had little trouble. Worst is Italian postal service, always send to Italy signed for even if you know the recipient.

Robert G8RPI.
Re: eBay buyer protections are poor

 

Jack,
Had I encountered sellers (two) such as you, I would be singing ebay's praises.? Both sellers treated me as though I didn't exist after they collected my money!?
Bob,
I'm happy for your success with the program but keep your eyes peeled!? I, also, had enough good experiences to, I guess, get a bit "overconfident".? Well...never again!
Tom
Re: eBay buyer protections are poor

Jack Mcmullen
 

Hi Bob,
Been an Ebayer for over 15 years with close to 5000 feedback at 100%. One thing on selling, be responsive, offer solutions at your cost versus the buyers. Example, if a buyer has an issue, if a return is needed, cover his return cost, and if you have another, send at your cost. Your experiences are from bad or lazy sellers. Rules for selling I go by: Treat every buyer like it was you in the same circumstance. Simple as that
Jack KG6INX


-----Original Message-----
From: Bob Stewart bob@... [hp_agilent_equipment]
To: hp_agilent_equipment
Sent: Thu, Feb 18, 2016 11:23 am
Subject: Re: [hp_agilent_equipment] Re: eBay buyer protections are poor

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Interesting. I've had good experiences with buyer protection: perhaps too good. I recently received a pair of OCXOs, one of which was bad. Ebay compelled the seller to refund me. I had an item arrive with the bag split and the contents missing. The seller wouldn't communicate other than to post copies of "item received" from USPS. Ebay actually refunded me for the lost item. I received the wrong connectors and the seller didn't respond to a message, so I asked for a refund. I got a full refund, even though I had destroyed one of the connectors while removing it. Over the past 3 years, I've had a number of bad experiences with sellers that ebay has resolved satisfactorily other than time lost. I'm near the end of developing a GPSDO that I hope to sell on ebay, and TBH I'm a bit concerned about the possibility of bad buyers. This concern has also caused me to drag my feet on selling numerous Collins items I have that I no longer need. So I guess we all have a different experience with ebay.

Bob - AE6RV

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On Thu, 2/18/16, wb6dgn_tom@... [hp_agilent_equipment] <hp_agilent_equipment@...> wrote:

Subject: [hp_agilent_equipment] Re: eBay buyer protections are poor
To: hp_agilent_equipment@...
Date: Thursday, February 18, 2016, 1:11 PM


Peter,
My experienced with ebay is
also bad.? While not electronics related the LAST two items
I bought through ebay were grossly "not as
described".? Both were rather pricey and both claimed
"Buyer Protection" near the pricing
information.
In the interest of brevity, my
experience was that the "buyer protection" claim
was not worth the bandwidth used to claim it!? ebay, in
essence told me to "go take a hike" in both cases,
refused to lift a finger to arbitrate the claim and told me
that "I should have known better than to expect
"buyer protection" on such old items, the fact
that it was clearly stated notwithstanding!
Well...I DID take a hike!? I closed my user
account, deleted all activities related to ebay and will not
even log into their site to use as a price or availability
reference.
While it is true that the items
were old, it was their claim of assistance if needed,
clearly posted by the pricing information, that induced me
to take a chance on those purchases and BOTH times I got
"BIT"
For the past 4+ years, ebay
has been nothing more than a bad memory for me and I fully
expect to keep it that way!? I don't trust them any
further than I could throw their entire corporate office
complex!
Tom









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Re: Boonton 250 RX Meter question

 

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??? Thank you, I am not quite sure what has happened to mine. I think perhaps the mixer tube, which is a nuvistor in this one, may be weak or have been damaged.? Both oscillators put out the same voltage suggesting that they are OK.? I am in the process of testing the tubes in hope that there is nothing more complex wrong.

On 2/17/2016 11:47 PM, 'Craig Sawyers' c.sawyers@... [hp_agilent_equipment] wrote:

Mine¡¯s a B, and reads about 30 with fingers on the terminals.

?

Craig

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From: hp_agilent_equipment@... [mailto:hp_agilent_equipment@...]
Sent: 18 February 2016 02:39
To: hp_agilent_equipment@...
Subject: Re: [hp_agilent_equipment] Boonton 250 RX Meter question

?



?? Thank you Dave.? I am not sure if mine is a late A or a B but I think the B has a solid state IF amp and mine is tube. My shop is in the garage and its raining hard right now but I will look later. Mine is made by -hp- and is blue and gray and has an option that brings the IF out the back and has an oscillator level adjustment on the front. It also has a Nuvistor mixer tube. I have to pull it to see what type. This is a likely culprit for the low response of the detector. Other than this it seems identical with the one in the handbook. I am just afraid of posssible damage to the bridge transformer although it seems to null OK.? The problem is that the meter reads perhaps 20 with my fingers on the terminals and the oscillator trimmer set for maximum. It was about 40 before I broke it. So, all the functions seem to work to some degree. I think my Weston or TV-7D/U will work on the Nuvistor.?

On 2/17/2016 5:23 PM, Artek Manuals manuals@... [hp_agilent_equipment] wrote:

Richard
?
The theory of operation section gives a clue in that it talks about a 
40kc pass band
?
This could likely be achieved by using a sweep generator. and then 
shaping the passband using a scope. I also suspect that they didn't have 
a procedure for it because the networks are heavily loaded to reduce the 
Q to get that wide a pass band?
?
HP of course took over the Boonton? 250 and the manual for the HP 250B 
does describe the IF adjustment procedure. The HP 250A manual which is 
essentially a copy of the Boonton 250A manual with a HP cover on it does 
not have the procedure? . I will send you the procedure from the HP 250B 
later tonight if you cant find a free copy on line. The 250A and 250B 
IF amps are similar two stage amps but not identical
?
Dave
NR1DX
?
On 2/17/2016 6:51 PM, `Richard Knoppow dickburk@... 
[hp_agilent_equipment] wrote:
???? I posted this to the Boonton group but I am not sure anyone follows
it any more.? I want to check the tuning of the 100Khz IF. I can find
nothing in the handbooks or other literature about tuning it.? I suspect
its broadbanded by either stagger tuning or perhaps overcoupling. No clues.
???? My RX meter took a header. Fortunately it fell with some cushioning
and is not destroyed but the sensitivity is way down. I have not yet
tested the tubes.? I confirmed both oscillators are running but don't
know the expected voltage at the connectors. However, both voltages are
the same as measured with an -hp- 410-B.? I have to check the mixer tube
and IF tubes.? I hope no damage was done to anything really hard to obtain.
?
--
Richard Knoppow
dickburk@...
WB6KBL
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-- 
Richard Knoppow
dickburk@...
WB6KBL





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Richard Knoppow
dickburk@...
WB6KBL
Re: eBay buyer protections are poor

Bob Stewart
 

Interesting. I've had good experiences with buyer protection: perhaps too good. I recently received a pair of OCXOs, one of which was bad. Ebay compelled the seller to refund me. I had an item arrive with the bag split and the contents missing. The seller wouldn't communicate other than to post copies of "item received" from USPS. Ebay actually refunded me for the lost item. I received the wrong connectors and the seller didn't respond to a message, so I asked for a refund. I got a full refund, even though I had destroyed one of the connectors while removing it. Over the past 3 years, I've had a number of bad experiences with sellers that ebay has resolved satisfactorily other than time lost. I'm near the end of developing a GPSDO that I hope to sell on ebay, and TBH I'm a bit concerned about the possibility of bad buyers. This concern has also caused me to drag my feet on selling numerous Collins items I have that I no longer need. So I guess we all have a different experience with ebay.

Bob - AE6RV

--------------------------------------------

On Thu, 2/18/16, wb6dgn_tom@... [hp_agilent_equipment] <hp_agilent_equipment@...> wrote:

Subject: [hp_agilent_equipment] Re: eBay buyer protections are poor
To: hp_agilent_equipment@...
Date: Thursday, February 18, 2016, 1:11 PM


Peter,
My experienced with ebay is
also bad.? While not electronics related the LAST two items
I bought through ebay were grossly "not as
described".? Both were rather pricey and both claimed
"Buyer Protection" near the pricing
information.
In the interest of brevity, my
experience was that the "buyer protection" claim
was not worth the bandwidth used to claim it!? ebay, in
essence told me to "go take a hike" in both cases,
refused to lift a finger to arbitrate the claim and told me
that "I should have known better than to expect
"buyer protection" on such old items, the fact
that it was clearly stated notwithstanding!
Well...I DID take a hike!? I closed my user
account, deleted all activities related to ebay and will not
even log into their site to use as a price or availability
reference.
While it is true that the items
were old, it was their claim of assistance if needed,
clearly posted by the pricing information, that induced me
to take a chance on those purchases and BOTH times I got
"BIT"
For the past 4+ years, ebay
has been nothing more than a bad memory for me and I fully
expect to keep it that way!? I don't trust them any
further than I could throw their entire corporate office
complex!
Tom









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Re: HP8648D

 

Try holding the DEL button while powering up the unit. ?I've had this happen after replacing the battery before.

Brian
Re: eBay buyer protections are poor

 

Peter,
My experienced with ebay is also bad.? While not electronics related the LAST two items I bought through ebay were grossly "not as described".? Both were rather pricey and both claimed "Buyer Protection" near the pricing information.
In the interest of brevity, my experience was that the "buyer protection" claim was not worth the bandwidth used to claim it!? ebay, in essence told me to "go take a hike" in both cases, refused to lift a finger to arbitrate the claim and told me that "I should have known better than to expect "buyer protection" on such old items, the fact that it was clearly stated notwithstanding!
Well...I DID take a hike!? I closed my user account, deleted all activities related to ebay and will not even log into their site to use as a price or availability reference.
While it is true that the items were old, it was their claim of assistance if needed, clearly posted by the pricing information, that induced me to take a chance on those purchases and BOTH times I got "BIT"
For the past 4+ years, ebay has been nothing more than a bad memory for me and I fully expect to keep it that way!? I don't trust them any further than I could throw their entire corporate office complex!
Tom
Re: eBay buyer protections are poor

 

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It needs to be fair to both.?


Peter

On Feb 18, 2016, at 1:11 PM, 'Richard W. Solomon' w1ksz@... [hp_agilent_equipment] <hp_agilent_equipment@...> wrote:

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If you think it's bad now, you should have been using it years ago, when
sellers
could hit you with retaliatory negative feedback. Claims for non-delivery or
not
what you ordered were non-existent.

e_Bay has come a long way, even to the point where the sellers now complain
about
unfair treatment.

73, Dick, W1KSZ

-----Original Message-----
From: hp_agilent_equipment@...
[mailto:hp_agilent_equipment@...]
Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2016 10:37 AM
To: hp_agilent_equipment@...
Subject: [hp_agilent_equipment] eBay buyer protections are poor

The purchase was a trivial one, a small item from China. However, my
experience with Ebay is indicative of their policies.

They gave me an estimated max delivery time of about 4-8 weeks. As 8 weeks
is very long even for a Chinese item, I tried to complain at 6 weeks but
their system would not allow it. It took until two days after the last
expected delivery date before their system would even allow me to open a
case. Most of their links are useless help pages and it takes a bit of
searching to find the actual link. This seems to be to discourage filing a
claim.

Today I found out the seller is suspended. But still, I had to send a
message requesting a refund and wait 4 days (actually 6 as they don't count
weekends) for a response. My previous messages direct to the seller don't
count. Once this time passes I am "eligible to escalate" the case.

I find this to be poor support of buyers. It seems likely now the seller was
suspended for non-delivery, so to make everyone jump through a series of
hoops is just a waste of time.

Hamfests and these groups are looking better all the time.

Peter

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Re: eBay buyer protections are poor

Richard W. Solomon
 

If you think it's bad now, you should have been using it years ago, when
sellers
could hit you with retaliatory negative feedback. Claims for non-delivery or
not
what you ordered were non-existent.

e_Bay has come a long way, even to the point where the sellers now complain
about
unfair treatment.

73, Dick, W1KSZ

-----Original Message-----
From: hp_agilent_equipment@...
[mailto:hp_agilent_equipment@...]
Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2016 10:37 AM
To: hp_agilent_equipment@...
Subject: [hp_agilent_equipment] eBay buyer protections are poor

The purchase was a trivial one, a small item from China. However, my
experience with Ebay is indicative of their policies.

They gave me an estimated max delivery time of about 4-8 weeks. As 8 weeks
is very long even for a Chinese item, I tried to complain at 6 weeks but
their system would not allow it. It took until two days after the last
expected delivery date before their system would even allow me to open a
case. Most of their links are useless help pages and it takes a bit of
searching to find the actual link. This seems to be to discourage filing a
claim.

Today I found out the seller is suspended. But still, I had to send a
message requesting a refund and wait 4 days (actually 6 as they don't count
weekends) for a response. My previous messages direct to the seller don't
count. Once this time passes I am "eligible to escalate" the case.

I find this to be poor support of buyers. It seems likely now the seller was
suspended for non-delivery, so to make everyone jump through a series of
hoops is just a waste of time.

Hamfests and these groups are looking better all the time.


Peter

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eBay buyer protections are poor

 

The purchase was a trivial one, a small item from China. However, my experience with Ebay is indicative of their policies.

They gave me an estimated max delivery time of about 4-8 weeks. As 8 weeks is very long even for a Chinese item, I tried to complain at 6 weeks but their system would not allow it. It took until two days after the last expected delivery date before their system would even allow me to open a case. Most of their links are useless help pages and it takes a bit of searching to find the actual link. This seems to be to discourage filing a claim.

Today I found out the seller is suspended. But still, I had to send a message requesting a refund and wait 4 days (actually 6 as they don't count weekends) for a response. My previous messages direct to the seller don't count. Once this time passes I am "eligible to escalate" the case.

I find this to be poor support of buyers. It seems likely now the seller was suspended for non-delivery, so to make everyone jump through a series of hoops is just a waste of time.

Hamfests and these groups are looking better all the time.


Peter
Re: Hp8656 worth$50

 

Dennis

The 8656A is a good signal generator, see comparison on

Obviously it will not function without the A3 so maybe just a source of spare parts.

Steve



From: "vitali@... [hp_agilent_equipment]"
To: hp_agilent_equipment@...
Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2016 3:49 AM
Subject: [hp_agilent_equipment] Hp8656 worth$50

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The surplus shop down the street has a HP 8656A signal generator with A3 ?card removed for $50 is this a good deal or pig in a poke.
Dennis vitali
Re: HP8648D

 

The mobo may have been swapped out at some point.? I believe you can use the mobo utility from the Service and Support tool to remove it. Unfortnately, the software only runs on XP.? I have it on a system I use to calibrate the output levels. I'll check when I get home on Sat before sending you off on a wild goose chase.

Colby
K6RKE

On Feb 18, 2016 8:45 AM, "sam.reaves@... [hp_agilent_equipment]" <hp_agilent_equipment@...> wrote:

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I have a HP8648D that AFAIK has never had the pulse option. When you use the RF ON/OFF key when the RF is on the area on the display that says RF OFF displays PULSE. I have tried the key combination of AM twice but nothing happens.

I bought this unit and replaced the back up battery. All of the calibrations came up okay. but the pulse thing is annoying.

Sam
W3HOM
HP8648D

 

I have a HP8648D that AFAIK has never had the pulse option. When you use the RF ON/OFF key when the RF is on the area on the display that says RF OFF displays PULSE. I have tried the key combination of AM twice but nothing happens.

I bought this unit and replaced the back up battery. All of the calibrations came up okay. but the pulse thing is annoying.

Sam
W3HOM
Re: Hp8656 worth$50

 

On that scrap unit does it have an A3 board, Low Frequency Loop Board.. HP 08656-6003?? If so cost and shipping to 32141, ..
Thanks
Dennis Vitali

On Thu, 18 Feb 2016 09:01:48 -0500, 'Peter' bunge@... [hp_agilent_equipment] <hp_agilent_equipment@...> wrote:

I have an 8656 scrap unit. If my memory serves correctly it has an 8656
front panel and cpu board (large hinge out board) but the cast central
section appears to be an 8657. I think someone put remaining pieces of
several together to make it look like a complete unit to suck some trusting
soul like myself into buying it. I can check if you wish. Mailing a board
will be much cheaper than a complete chassis. Parts cheap to anyone looking
for them.
PeterB.

-----Original Message-----
From: hp_agilent_equipment@...
[mailto:hp_agilent_equipment@...]
Sent: February-18-16 8:36 AM
To: hp_agilent_equipment@...
Subject: Re: [hp_agilent_equipment] Hp8656 worth$50

Ya its heavy, but probably once in a lifetime learning experience..
Dennis

On Thu, 18 Feb 2016 00:50:58 -0500, 'John Miles' john@...
[hp_agilent_equipment] <hp_agilent_equipment@...> wrote:

Got a boat to go with it?


-- john, KE5FX


From: hp_agilent_equipment@...
[mailto:hp_agilent_equipment@...]
Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2016 7:49 PM
To: hp_agilent_equipment@...
Subject: [hp_agilent_equipment] Hp8656 worth$50



The surplus shop down the street has a HP 8656A signal generator with
A3 card removed for $50 is this a good deal or pig in a poke.

Dennis vitali


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Re: Hp8656 worth$50

 

Thanks , I had my units mixed up..
Dennis

On Thu, 18 Feb 2016 09:05:22 -0500, Don Lewis dlewis11193@... [hp_agilent_equipment] <hp_agilent_equipment@...> wrote:

The A3 card is the "Low Frequency Voltage Controlled Oscillator - VCO" card.
Unit won't run without it."
Single boards often turn up on eBay for nominal cost.
-Don




From: "Peter Gottlieb hpnpilot@... [hp_agilent_equipment]" <hp_agilent_equipment@...>
To: hp_agilent_equipment@...
Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2016 7:42 AM
Subject: Re: [hp_agilent_equipment] Hp8656 worth$50
They're not bad when they run. Plenty good for most practical (e.g. radio) use.

Peter

On Feb 18, 2016, at 8:39 AM, Vitali vitali@... [hp_agilent_equipment] <hp_agilent_equipment@...> wrote:

I know on start up prob fail on ATt Bd Communications. I thought if I
could bypass the connector plug with a looping plug, maybe I could get
past that error to see how good she is, See them on ebay for $100 NG plus
Fifty ship!
Dennis


On Wed, 17 Feb 2016 23:33:21 -0500, 'Fuqua, Bill L' Wlfuqu00@...
[hp_agilent_equipment] <hp_agilent_equipment@...> wrote:

That depends, just think of the voltage controlled attenuators and all
sorts of stuff inside, but only if you are an experimenter.
73
Bill wa4lav
but on the other hand, that sort of thinking is how I ended up with much
to much stuff.
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From: hp_agilent_equipment@...
[hp_agilent_equipment@...]
Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2016 10:49 PM
To: hp_agilent_equipment@...
Subject: [hp_agilent_equipment] Hp8656 worth$50

The surplus shop down the street has a HP 8656A signal generator with
A3 card removed for $50 is this a good deal or pig in a poke.

Dennis vitali




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Re: Soldering recommendation

 

RS Components used to sell a colloidal silver paint. They probably still do.

See:?

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