Re: Help with hp 141T and 8553
John, Thanks for the note. I will check them out, I did not even think to check the supply voltages. I have an electronic version of an US military manual and go look. Thanks John--- In hp_agilent_equipment@..., "John Miles" <jmiles@p...> wrote: That's pretty far off for an 8553. How are the power supply voltages? www.manualsplus.com will most likely have the book.
-- john KE5FX
Hi,
I recently picked up a used 141t with a 8552 if and a 8553 rf
front end. the anlayzer works, but the center frequency is about 24
mhz off. Does any one know a procedure recal the center frequency?
I have tried to adjust the "tuning range" adjustment, that had no effect.
Thanks
john
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Re: Help with hp 141T and 8553
That's pretty far off for an 8553. How are the power supply voltages?
www.manualsplus.com will most likely have the book.
-- john KE5FX
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Hi,
I recently picked up a used 141t with a 8552 if and a 8553 rf front end. the anlayzer works, but the center frequency is about 24 mhz off. Does any one know a procedure recal the center frequency? I have tried to adjust the "tuning range" adjustment, that had no effect.
Thanks
john
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Help with hp 141T and 8553
Hi,
I recently picked up a used 141t with a 8552 if and a 8553 rf front end. the anlayzer works, but the center frequency is about 24 mhz off. Does any one know a procedure recal the center frequency? I have tried to adjust the "tuning range" adjustment, that had no effect.
Thanks
john
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Re: 2430A & 2433 Power up Failures
Gearoid, I believe if the 7000 CCD error comes up the CCD is faulty and the scope is a right off as the CCD 's are unobtainable. There are lots of these scopes laying around because there are no replacement parts. David At 01:42 AM 4/11/2004, you wrote: Hi all, I have a Tek 2432 which fails the following; 1: 7000 CCD 2: 8000 PA 3: 9000 TRIGS
I also have a Tek 2432A which fails; 1: 5000 WP 2: 8000 PA -- no pass/fail message 3: 9000 TRIGS -- no pass/fail message
Is this an almighty going round in circles job or has anyone been through this before? Before you suggest it - the batteries are ok. I may donate these if they require a lot of time to fix to somebody who has the time.
Regards
Gearoid Loughnane Dublin
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Re: 2430A & 2433 Power up Failures
You might have better luck on a tektronix group.
-Chuck
gearoidloughnane wrote:
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Hi all, I have a Tek 2432 which fails the following; 1: 7000 CCD 2: 8000 PA 3: 9000 TRIGS I also have a Tek 2432A which fails; 1: 5000 WP 2: 8000 PA -- no pass/fail message 3: 9000 TRIGS -- no pass/fail message Is this an almighty going round in circles job or has anyone been through this before? Before you suggest it - the batteries are ok. I may donate these if they require a lot of time to fix to somebody who has the time. Regards Gearoid Loughnane Dublin Yahoo! Groups Links
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Re: 2430A & 2433 Power up Failures
It takes to much time to fix it and/or too much money. I am willing to take them from you. Regards frank
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-----Original Message----- From: gearoidloughnane [mailto:echelon@...] Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 2004 10:43 AM To: hp_agilent_equipment@... Subject: [hp_agilent_equipment] 2430A & 2433 Power up Failures
Hi all, I have a Tek 2432 which fails the following; 1: 7000 CCD 2: 8000 PA 3: 9000 TRIGS
I also have a Tek 2432A which fails; 1: 5000 WP 2: 8000 PA -- no pass/fail message 3: 9000 TRIGS -- no pass/fail message
Is this an almighty going round in circles job or has anyone been through this before? Before you suggest it - the batteries are ok. I may donate these if they require a lot of time to fix to somebody who has the time.
Regards
Gearoid Loughnane Dublin
Yahoo! Groups Links
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2430A & 2433 Power up Failures
Hi all, I have a Tek 2432 which fails the following; 1: 7000 CCD 2: 8000 PA 3: 9000 TRIGS
I also have a Tek 2432A which fails; 1: 5000 WP 2: 8000 PA -- no pass/fail message 3: 9000 TRIGS -- no pass/fail message
Is this an almighty going round in circles job or has anyone been through this before? Before you suggest it - the batteries are ok. I may donate these if they require a lot of time to fix to somebody who has the time.
Regards
Gearoid Loughnane Dublin
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Re: Schematics for HP 54510A scope
I'm giving this second hand so I'll
find out more and get back.? There is supposed to be a 15v supply to the
crt circuitry which is down.? Which schematics do we need?
Thanks,
Gus
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Subject: [hp_agilent_equipment] Re:
Schematics for HP 54510A scope
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"Harlan Gustafson" <accellodyne@n...> wrote: > Does
anyone know where I could find schematics for my HP 54510A digital
oscilloscope?? I've looked in a few places without luck. >
Thanks, > Gus
could you be more specific about what it is you're
looking for? are you looking for board level diagrams or actual circuit
schematics. most of the older service/troubleshooting manuals at least had
board level troubleshooting diagrams. if you could give me some more info
i might be able to help you.
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Re: Schematics for HP 54510A scope
Fred Olsen wrote: NR1DX wrote:
HP and Tek both took the position that you had to buy a new repayment cad ... What's that?
Fred That's where you have to take out a home loan to pay for the replacement card :) John <>
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Re: Schematics for HP 54510A scope
new repayment cad ...
NR1DX wrote: What that is a really bad typo "replacement card" That's OK, I understand. The hour was getting late, the bottle was getting low ... ;<)) Fred -- <>< -- Outgoing checked by eTrust EZ AV
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Re: Schematics for HP 54510A scope
Fred What that is a really bad typo Shuda been "replacement card" Dave At 10:14 PM 11/1/2004, Fred Olsen wrote: NR1DX wrote:
HP and Tek both took the position that you had to buy a new repayment cad ... What's that?
Fred -- <>< -- Outgoing checked by eTrust EZ AV
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Re: Schematics for HP 54510A scope
--- In hp_agilent_equipment@..., "Harlan Gustafson" <accellodyne@n...> wrote: Does anyone know where I could find schematics for my HP 54510A digital oscilloscope? I've looked in a few places without luck. Thanks, Gus could you be more specific about what it is you're looking for? are you looking for board level diagrams or actual circuit schematics. most of the older service/troubleshooting manuals at least had board level troubleshooting diagrams. if you could give me some more info i might be able to help you.
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Re: Schematics for HP 54510A scope
NR1DX wrote: HP and Tek both took the position that you had to buy a new repayment cad ... What's that? Fred -- <>< -- Outgoing checked by eTrust EZ AV
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Re: Schematics for HP 54510A scope
At 11:13 AM 11/1/2004, Harlan Gustafson wrote: Does anyone know where I could find schematics for my HP 54510A digital oscilloscope? I've looked in a few places without luck. Thanks, Gus Harlan It is unlikely you will ever find schematics ( not impossible...but unlikley) Hp ( and (Tektronix too for that matter) stopped issuing schematic level service info for most of their scopes from the early 1990's on. The boards in these units contain a large number of large pin out custom IC's which even if you could trouble shoot and find a replacement for today it takes special soldering equipment to remove them. HP and Tek both took the position that you had to buy a new repayment cad and that the boards themselves were not field repairable. My conspiracy theory version of this is that the schematics exist and are being held in the basement in vault at some obscure HP location guarded by evil lawyers and mutant accountants. Dave NR1DX nr1dx@... "A man who picks a cat up by the tail learns a lesson he can learn no other way" .... Mark Twain
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Re: HP 8690 sweep generator
Which plugin do you have? The BWO ones used a large regulated high voltage supply but the solid state ones only used the smaller low voltage supply. Probably not worth the effort if it's a BWO plugin but if solid state may well be.
73 Dave, ZL3FJ
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----- Original Message ----- From: "Lecroy" <lecroy2607@...> To: <test-equipment@...>; <hp_agilent_equipment@...> Sent: Tuesday, November 02, 2004 7:04 AM Subject: [hp_agilent_equipment] HP 8690 sweep generator Dear All, I have a HP 8690B, the mainframe is in a very bad condition but the plug-in unit works well. I think about making my own power supply and ramp generator to drive the plug-in module. I found a military calibration manual but no schematic or indication about the voltages/signal which are send to the plug-in module.
Does anyone has information, schematic ??
Regards David / F1URI
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Dear All, I have a HP 8690B, the mainframe is in a very bad condition but the plug-in unit works well. I think about making my own power supply and ramp generator to drive the plug-in module. I found a military calibration manual but no schematic or indication about the voltages/signal which are send to the plug-in module.
Does anyone has information, schematic ??
Regards David / F1URI
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Schematics for HP 54510A scope
Does anyone know where I could find
schematics for my HP?54510A digital oscilloscope?? I've looked in a
few places without luck.
Thanks,
Gus
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Does anyone know where I could find
schematics for my HP?54510A digital oscilloscope?? I've looked in a
few places without luck.
Thanks,
Gus
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Subject: [hp_agilent_equipment] E4411A
spectrum analyzer low gain fixed
I thought I should document repair to an E4411A (alias ESA-L1500A) 1.5Ghz
spectrum analyzer in the event anyone here might find the information
useful.
?
The symptom was low gain (~28dB low) but with flat response and all other
functions ok.? The HP service manual only goes down to the module level,
which is doubly unfortunate for this instrument because the one RF assembly
module contains everything from the front panel input connector all the way
back to the 2nd IF input.? The manual helped confirm the fault was in the
RF assembly module, but at that point they say don't service it, get a
replacement instead.? That would be ok except the replacement price is
$6120 exchange.? For an analyzer that probably went for $8K new, I bet
they don't get too many takers.? As the SA was initially free, I didn't
have too much to lose by violating the recommendation and taking a peek inside
the RF assembly.
?
The clever RF assembly comprises one PCB, with castings that sandwich the
board in between providing circuit isolation.? The service manual does
give some information as to what's in there via a coarse block diagram and a
page or two of explanation.? I was able to find a shorted transistor (Q6)
in what I believe is the 2nd mixer (could be the tail end of the 1st
IF).? This was located using the diode function of a DMM; I did not have
to power up the assembly.? Normal was about a 0.45V diode drop from "dot"
(I thought base, but turned out to be gate) to the other leads.
?
The transistor is a "pill package" 4 lead part with "211" as the sole ID
marking.? Some hunches lead to the identity of the part being most likely
an HP (Agilent) ATF-21186 GaAs FET, which is used in numerous locations in the
front end of the RF assy.? Regarding the 0.45V drop, what I was measuring
I believe is a schottky barrier gate structure.? I don't work in RF; FETs
in my line are all insulated gate (enhancement mode) devices, so this has been
an interesting experience.
?
The bad news was the ATF-21186 was discontinued in 2001.? Newer
parts don't use the pill package.? However, I did find a small lot of
'21186 parts (9805 lot code) via a helpful broker at about $14 each, with a
required lot buy of 16 pieces.? My analyzer is SN prefix "US37.." so the
parts are less than a year apart in manufacture date.? Upon arrival I was
pleased to find the new parts looked identical to the old.? BTW, a "-STR"
suffix on the ATF-21186 designates the part packaged in a strip of 10.?
?
I did not attempt to "match" devices or anything--I just replaced the bad
part with one of the new ones.? Input welcome if someone knows
better.
?
One tool I found helpful in putting the RF assy castings back together
with the zillion M3 screws used is a good torque screwdriver to get everything
down evenly.? The tightening torque is 9 in-lbs on everything (casting
screws, casting to instrument screws, and instrument case screws).? As
there is no give to the housings, it is crucial all screws get tightened down
the same amount.? Over tightening one screw will make the adjacent one
loose for instance.? It takes two of three passes around them all to get
to final torque.? I used a Proto 6106 (now apparently owned by Stanley)
driver which supposedly will not over torque screws even with multiple
attempts to retighten them.
?
The replacement transistor seems to have solved the problem.
?
One other hint.? The one?piece?rubber membrane key pad has
thin walls where the raised key caps drop down to the sheet.? They are
easily torn if you do something silly like drive the key cap sideways through
overzealous cleaning for instance.? I found a reasonable fix was to build
a "hinge" between the torn key cap and base sheet using a flowable silcone
product made for car windshield gasket sealing: Permatex Windshield and Glass
Sealer.??I found a?1.5oz tube of the stuff available at the
local hardware store.
?
Don C
Beaverton, OR
?
?
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E4411A spectrum analyzer low gain fixed
I thought I should document repair to an E4411A (alias ESA-L1500A) 1.5Ghz
spectrum analyzer in the event anyone here might find the information
useful.
?
The symptom was low gain (~28dB low) but with flat response and all other
functions ok.? The HP service manual only goes down to the module level,
which is doubly unfortunate for this instrument because the one RF assembly
module contains everything from the front panel input connector all the way back
to the 2nd IF input.? The manual helped confirm the fault was in the RF
assembly module, but at that point they say don't service it, get a replacement
instead.? That would be ok except the replacement price is $6120
exchange.? For an analyzer that probably went for $8K new, I bet they don't
get too many takers.? As the SA was initially free, I didn't have too much
to lose by violating the recommendation and taking a peek inside the RF
assembly.
?
The clever RF assembly comprises one PCB, with castings that sandwich the
board in between providing circuit isolation.? The service manual does give
some information as to what's in there via a coarse block diagram and a page or
two of explanation.? I was able to find a shorted transistor (Q6) in what I
believe is the 2nd mixer (could be the tail end of the 1st IF).? This was
located using the diode function of a DMM; I did not have to power up the
assembly.? Normal was about a 0.45V diode drop from "dot" (I thought base,
but turned out to be gate) to the other leads.
?
The transistor is a "pill package" 4 lead part with "211" as the sole ID
marking.? Some hunches lead to the identity of the part being most likely
an HP (Agilent) ATF-21186 GaAs FET, which is used in numerous locations in the
front end of the RF assy.? Regarding the 0.45V drop, what I was measuring I
believe is a schottky barrier gate structure.? I don't work in RF; FETs in
my line are all insulated gate (enhancement mode) devices, so this has been an
interesting experience.
?
The bad news was the ATF-21186 was discontinued in 2001.? Newer parts
don't use the pill package.? However, I did find a small lot of '21186
parts (9805 lot code) via a helpful broker at about $14 each, with a required
lot buy of 16 pieces.? My analyzer is SN prefix "US37.." so the parts are
less than a year apart in manufacture date.? Upon arrival I was pleased to
find the new parts looked identical to the old.? BTW, a "-STR" suffix on
the ATF-21186 designates the part packaged in a strip of 10.?
?
I did not attempt to "match" devices or anything--I just replaced the bad
part with one of the new ones.? Input welcome if someone knows
better.
?
One tool I found helpful in putting the RF assy castings back together with
the zillion M3 screws used is a good torque screwdriver to get everything down
evenly.? The tightening torque is 9 in-lbs on everything (casting screws,
casting to instrument screws, and instrument case screws).? As there is no
give to the housings, it is crucial all screws get tightened down the same
amount.? Over tightening one screw will make the adjacent one loose for
instance.? It takes two of three passes around them all to get to final
torque.? I used a Proto 6106 (now apparently owned by Stanley) driver which
supposedly will not over torque screws even with multiple attempts to retighten
them.
?
The replacement transistor seems to have solved the problem.
?
One other hint.? The one?piece?rubber membrane key pad has
thin walls where the raised key caps drop down to the sheet.? They are
easily torn if you do something silly like drive the key cap sideways through
overzealous cleaning for instance.? I found a reasonable fix was to build a
"hinge" between the torn key cap and base sheet using a flowable silcone product
made for car windshield gasket sealing: Permatex Windshield and Glass
Sealer.??I found a?1.5oz tube of the stuff available at the local
hardware store.
?
Don C
Beaverton, OR
?
?
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I have looked at pictures of the 5345A and the dimensions all match up. Thanks for the ID JM. I got so many google hits on 05345-XXXXX that I was led to believe that was a generic prefix for HP boards. It appears that it does not have the HPIB option, there is one slot open and there are two aluminum blank cover plates on the back where perhaps the connector would likely be. A couple of the boards have many custom gold cover HP ICs, all socketed. Anyone wants parts let me know. (Never heard it called a 'hot rock box', I like that.) It also has: 05345-60031 88802F PLL Buffer Multiplier 05345-60045 88802F 05345-60007 PS 05345-60006 PS (I need a knob or two for a 1720A-family scope and an 8620C generator if anyone wants to swap stuff.) Thanks again, Gerry W. --- In hp_agilent_equipment@..., Scott Newell <newell@c...> wrote: At 04:30 AM 10/30/2004 +0000, gerbo04 wrote:
kind? The fan is in the front which is odd. The boards are labeled
as follows:
05345-60044 88802F 05345-60013 744414 05345-60011 88802F 05345-60050 88809F 05345-60009 73803L
Can anyone identify this thing? As JM explained, it's certainly a 5345A.
If you do decide to part it out, let me know...I'd be interested in
the A12 (HPIB) board (which you may not have--it's not on the list you posted), a couple of EECL chips to fix my 5370, and maybe the hot rock box.
-- newell N5TNL
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