Re: [!! SPAM] MANUALS AND INSTRUMENTS
I the late 1980's the company I worked for needed a new Private Mobile Radio system. Over 1.2 million Dollars worth of it. I was the senior tech for the PMR and insisted that the winning bid would have to give all of the relevant software at source code level. Else, no deal. That they did. Jos Raven At 11:00 24-12-2006 +0000, you wrote: The message about Keithley manuals submits a generic problem: some
rare manufacturers (HP, TEK) at the beginning gave fabulous service
manuals and HP was at the top : snip
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Re: [!! SPAM] MANUALS AND INSTRUMENTS
I the late 1980's the company I worked for needed a new Private Mobile Radio system. Over 1.2 million Dollars worth of it. I was the senior tech for the PMR and insisted that the winning bid would have to give all of the relevant software at source code level. Else, no deal. That they did. Jos Raven At 11:00 24-12-2006 +0000, you wrote: The message about Keithley manuals submits a generic problem: some
rare manufacturers (HP, TEK) at the beginning gave fabulous service
manuals and HP was at the top : snip
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The message about Keithley manuals submits a generic problem: some
rare manufacturers (HP, TEK) at the beginning gave fabulous service
manuals and HP was at the top : have a look for example
at the 8340 manuals or 8350 plug ins and you can do everything. The
necessary protection of the intellectual property resided in many
modules (with schematics!)that a x "normal" company cannot repare or
reproduce (try to change this damned pin diode causing most failures
in the HP YTM switching between 10-2,4 and above);
at the 868X manuals : a totaly silly person can find a failure (this
generators were intended for the military market...).
Since the 90 the policy was quite different : the clips were costly
and repair became difficult because software diags : remarquable but
you need almost half a million of $ (70000 MMS family). Nevertheless
you theoreticaly could repair at component level and HP had not the
vicious politic of Rohde und Schwartz : if you want to recalibrate
one RS instrument ( you have everything therefore) you must enter
the cal code. Which one ? HP was fair : it was by default nothinf
(8340...) 000 or the name of the rig (3458...) RS refused and still
refuses to give it and you can try with a computer during a day but
now the rig is blocked and you have to return to beg the pardon of
your fault and like the time of Middleage to pay... RS manuals have
a prohibitive price and are therefore useless.
At the same time Wiltron (68XXX for ex) had a different politic :
have a look at the manuals : no schematics anf reference to a long
explained and as part referenced software, a special plug to get
into the CPU with a computer. I would like to do the job, I have got
all the (HP!) instruments therefore : impossible, Wiltron's
answer :you cannot buy the soft and the plug... Before(66XX) they
were vicious in another manner : have a look at the ALC board, the
schematics and the cal pages of the manuals : trimming of almost 15
pots of 30 present is not explained !!
Nowadays the politics are everywhere the same : no schematics, no
description of the structure and company proprietary software repair
but the actual intruments are built to last a couple of years like a
computer..
Well, I could write a lot more but the only solution for a crazy
(you can only be crazy !) amateur of beautiful instruments and a
small company composed of enthusiastic people is to buy only
intruments, still with schematics, which were largely sold so you
can get a reasonable chance to get spares or another rig ; the
almost unique answer is HP, despite the fact that at time Y they
were not always rhe best (compare a 86147A and a 8340A...). You must
stop around or before 1990 but this politic will last till 2015/2020
and after ? No actual rig will appear on the second hand market and
if they appear, they will be since years broken and unrepairable
(time is now finished of swapping boards : the cards are known
together and will refuse to work with an unknown).
For the bigs, answer is clear : leasing or rental and no more
internal repair or, if your are big enough (Alcatel in France) : I
only buy 50 X generetors by you, RS, if I get the keys and the
software but is it worth to pay an internal cal service ???
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Re: OT - Need Help/Info For Keithley 155 Null Detector/Microvoltmeter
Well, I don't currently own any Keithley equipment, and based on this, I'm going to keep it that way. Same goes for the companies I do consulting work for...
-Merry Christmas (or your own holiday) to all!
-Dave
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From: "DON CRAMER" <donlcramer@...>
Thank Agilent that they are working to do the opposite!
I'm very highly inclined not to specify Keithley instruments in the future at the company I work at. I understand all the reasons why a company might prefer to withhold service information (although I think withholding the instruction manuals is a stretch). However, those reasons don't make happy customers.
Don Cramer
Beaverton OR
PS: Happy Holidays to all on this list, and especially to those at Agilent who's heritage of fine instruments we celebrate.
----- Original Message -----
From: Mike Harmon<mailto:mharmon@...>
To: hp_agilent_equipment@...<mailto:hp_agilent_equipment@...>
Sent: Saturday, December 23, 2006 10:08 PM
Subject: [hp_agilent_equipment] OT - Need Help/Info For Keithley 155 Null Detector/Microvoltmeter
...all schematics had been removed from downloadable manuals on Keithley's
site, as well as the instruction manuals for all current Keithley
products.
......(Keithley) had decided not to make the schematics available.
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OT - Need Help/Info For Keithley 155 Null Detector/Microvoltmeter
Thank Agilent that they are working to do the opposite!
Agilent is truly enlightened in this respect.
I'm very highly inclined not to specify Keithley instruments in the
future at the
company I work at. I understand all the reasons why a company might
prefer to
withhold service information (although I think withholding the
instruction manuals
is a stretch). However, those reasons don't make happy customers.
Don Cramer
Beaverton OR
If anyone is truly determined to reverse engineer something, not
releasing the drawings is only a minor pain. It only hurts the small
guy, not a potential Chinese copier. If someone did that to me, I'd be
inclined to trace it out and put it up on the web for all to see.
FWIW,
-John
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Re: OT - Need Help/Info For Keithley 155 Null Detector/Microvoltmeter
Thank Agilent that they are working to do the opposite!
I'm very highly inclined not to specify Keithley instruments in the future at the company I work at. I understand all the reasons why a company might prefer to withhold service information (although I think withholding the instruction manuals is a stretch). However, those reasons don't make happy customers.
Don Cramer
Beaverton OR
PS: Happy Holidays to all on this list, and especially to those at Agilent who's heritage of fine instruments we celebrate.
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From: Mike Harmon<mailto:mharmon@...>
To: hp_agilent_equipment@...<mailto:hp_agilent_equipment@...>
Sent: Saturday, December 23, 2006 10:08 PM
Subject: [hp_agilent_equipment] OT - Need Help/Info For Keithley 155 Null Detector/Microvoltmeter
...all schematics had been removed from downloadable manuals on Keithley's
site, as well as the instruction manuals for all current Keithley
products.
......(Keithley) had decided not to make the schematics available.
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OT - Need Help/Info For Keithley 155 Null Detector/Microvoltmeter
Hi Group,
I have a Keithley 155 Null Detector/Microvoltmeter which has some
problems. I downloaded a manual from the Keithley web site, but when
I looked for the schematic, I couldn't find it. Section 5 of the
manual says the schematic is shown in Figure 5-3, but it's not there
in the manual provided on Keithley's download site. I contacted
Keithley about the omission and was told by John Sobola that all
schematics had been removed from downloadable manuals on Keithley's
site, as well as the instruction manuals for all current Keithley
products.
When I asked if he could send me one, he said I had to provide the
company with a bunch of info as to who I was, what company I
represented, what I did, and why I wanted a schematic. I sent him the
info he requested (it was for my own personal use), but did not
receive a reply from him for a couple of weeks. I wrote him back and
asked him if he needed more info, and he finally told me that the
company had decided not to make the schematics available. I suspect
if I had lied and told him that I was the engineering director of
Company X and we had $750,000 worth of Keithley gear in the lab, he
would have overnighted the schematic to me.
I have no idea as to why they would have done this, but it pretty much
makes the downloadable manuals useless without the schematic. As it
stands right now, I have a sweet little meter sitting on my bench
which is completely brain-dead!
Please let me know (OFFLINE) if you can help me out. I don't want to
start another flame war.
Thanks,
Mike, WB0LDJ
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Greetings,
Thanks to good advice from this forum, my 895 printer is working great
on black and white. The red color works on both of my C1823 color
cartridges. Blue works on one. Neither works with the yellow. I have
tried cleaning the jets with 92% isopropal alcohol without result.
Suggestions?
Jerry
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Re: [TekScopes] BAMA scaling back
I could quite possible start off from where BAMA ends.
However, I do need to find out how to automatically add manuals in a safe
way, since I cant devote too much time for it.
I'm guessing that I would need some help from you people as moderators, in
order to allow manuals to be published for download.
Any suggestions would be appreciated.
As some of you probably are aware of, I do have a repository for NAK gear
and some test equipment as well.
I'm currently on SERVAGE with quite a lot of disk space and bandwidth
available.
With best regards
Tomas Larsson
Sweden
my main work-site, sorry currently only in Swedish,
working with refrigeration.
My citroen XM repository, in Swedish.
for downloads etc.
ftp://ftp.servage.net for uploads use "naks" as both password and username.
Or you can use the free www.yousendit.com service.
Verus Amicus Est Tamquam Alter Idem
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From: TekScopes@...
[mailto:TekScopes@...] On Behalf Of Bruce Lane
Sent: Sunday, December 17, 2006 9:24 PM
To: tekscopes@...
Cc: hp_agilent_equipment@...;
test-equipment@...; time-nuts@...
Subject: [TekScopes] BAMA scaling back
Fellow techies in all groups (that I subscribe to),
I just found the following on Usenet from BAMA's owner.
It seems that storage is becoming a problem for him. I'm
posting this to all four groups I subscribe to because it
could potentially affect anyone who's searching for
documentation on older gear.
Bruce Lane, Owner & Head Hardware Heavy, Blue Feather
Technologies -- kyrrin (at)
bluefeathertech do/t c=o=m "If Salvador Dali had owned a
computer, would it have been equipped with surreal ports?"
Yahoo! Groups Links
__________________________________________________ Anv?nder du Yahoo!? ?r du tr?tt p? spam? Yahoo! E-post har det b?sta spamskyddet som finns
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Does anyone have a manual for the HP 5353A channel-C plugin for the 5345A
that covers serial number 1816 (or the change notes needed to cover it with
05353-90002)? I could use a couple of pages copied or scanned, if at all
possible...
-- john, KE5FX
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Omation Schema III manuals
Greetings,
I am still seeking copies of the Omation schema III pcb design package manuals. I am having lot lot of success bringing the program up under command prompt but am having much difficulty with SLIB and other utilities.
Jerry Massengale
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Re: HP 8505A CRT Overlays.. Now Available
John,
Please send me the "ACCOUNT TITLE ". I am interested in at least one set of
the HP 8505A CRT overlays.
Thank You,
Mark Hawk
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----- Original Message ----- From: "J Forster" <jfor@...> To: <hp_agilent_equipment@...> Sent: Wednesday, December 20, 2006 11:06 PM Subject: [hp_agilent_equipment] HP 8505A CRT Overlays.. Now Available After a great deal of searching, I found the heavy gauge film and a
photo lab capable of doing the work properly. So, I now have available a
LIMITED number of reproduction Smith Chart & Log Frequency overlays for
the HP 8505A Automatic Vector Network Analyzer.
This is a high quality reproduction of my set, the HP 08505-60154 8505A
CRT Overlay Kit and includes:
Smith Chart, Regular
Smith Chart, Compressed 2.0
Smith Chart, 0.1 Expanded
Smith Chart, 0.2 Expanded
Smith Chart, 0.5 Expanded
Log Chart, 10 MHz
Log Chart, 100 MHz
Log Chart, 1000 MHz
For each of there there is a visual and photographic overlay. The
overlays are contact prints on 0.007" photographic film. They are NOT
individually cut out, but it's a simple matter to do this with a pair of
scissors, paper shear, or X-Acto knife and straight edge. Each set is
provided as 4 sheets of film 9" x 12" ea. HP installation and index
sheet copies are included. The original HP plastic storage box is NOT
included.
If you are interested, the price is $30.00 US per set plus $5.00 US per
shipment ConUS via USPS Priority with Tracking. Shipment is $10 US
per shipment for Europe via USPS Global Express Other shipping options
at cost.
Payment can be either by PayPal to the account of a Yahoo Group in the
UK I co-own [ see www.RoyalSignals.org.uk ... PLEASE EMAIL ME
FOR ACCOUNT TITLE ] or by USPS Money Order to me in Boston, MA.
This offer may be limited, at my sole choice, to the stock in hand. I am
under no obligation to make any additional quantities. If the demand
exceeds the supply, my sole obligation is to return any funds received.
Take care,
-John
Yahoo! Groups Links
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Morris:
Contact me off list re: 524 counters.
erastber@...
Gene, W???QFC (OK on QRZ)
Spring Hill, Florida 34606
WEB SITE:
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Re: HP 8505A CRT Overlays.. Now Available
for anyone that can afford a 8505a the price is a bargain
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From: Pietro Cremonini
To: hp_agilent_equipment@...
Sent: Thursday, December 21, 2006 1:50 AM
Subject: Re: [hp_agilent_equipment] HP 8505A CRT Overlays.. Now Available
Please give me ACCOUNT TITLE to pay for overlays.
Thank you.
Pietro
----- Original Message -----
From: J Forster
To: hp_agilent_equipment@...
Sent: Thursday, December 21, 2006 8:06 AM
Subject: [hp_agilent_equipment] HP 8505A CRT Overlays.. Now Available
After a great deal of searching, I found the heavy gauge film and a
photo lab capable of doing the work properly. So, I now have available a
LIMITED number of reproduction Smith Chart & Log Frequency overlays for
the HP 8505A Automatic Vector Network Analyzer.
This is a high quality reproduction of my set, the HP 08505-60154 8505A
CRT Overlay Kit and includes:
Smith Chart, Regular
Smith Chart, Compressed 2.0
Smith Chart, 0.1 Expanded
Smith Chart, 0.2 Expanded
Smith Chart, 0.5 Expanded
Log Chart, 10 MHz
Log Chart, 100 MHz
Log Chart, 1000 MHz
For each of there there is a visual and photographic overlay. The
overlays are contact prints on 0.007" photographic film. They are NOT
individually cut out, but it's a simple matter to do this with a pair of
scissors, paper shear, or X-Acto knife and straight edge. Each set is
provided as 4 sheets of film 9" x 12" ea. HP installation and index
sheet copies are included. The original HP plastic storage box is NOT
included.
If you are interested, the price is $30.00 US per set plus $5.00 US per
shipment ConUS via USPS Priority with Tracking. Shipment is $10 US
per shipment for Europe via USPS Global Express Other shipping options
at cost.
Payment can be either by PayPal to the account of a Yahoo Group in the
UK I co-own [ see www.RoyalSignals.org.uk ... PLEASE EMAIL ME
FOR ACCOUNT TITLE ] or by USPS Money Order to me in Boston, MA.
This offer may be limited, at my sole choice, to the stock in hand. I am
under no obligation to make any additional quantities. If the demand
exceeds the supply, my sole obligation is to return any funds received.
Take care,
-John
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Re: HP 8505A CRT Overlays.. Now Available
Please give me ACCOUNT TITLE to pay for overlays.
Thank you.
Pietro
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----- Original Message -----
From: J Forster
To: hp_agilent_equipment@...
Sent: Thursday, December 21, 2006 8:06 AM
Subject: [hp_agilent_equipment] HP 8505A CRT Overlays.. Now Available
After a great deal of searching, I found the heavy gauge film and a
photo lab capable of doing the work properly. So, I now have available a
LIMITED number of reproduction Smith Chart & Log Frequency overlays for
the HP 8505A Automatic Vector Network Analyzer.
This is a high quality reproduction of my set, the HP 08505-60154 8505A
CRT Overlay Kit and includes:
Smith Chart, Regular
Smith Chart, Compressed 2.0
Smith Chart, 0.1 Expanded
Smith Chart, 0.2 Expanded
Smith Chart, 0.5 Expanded
Log Chart, 10 MHz
Log Chart, 100 MHz
Log Chart, 1000 MHz
For each of there there is a visual and photographic overlay. The
overlays are contact prints on 0.007" photographic film. They are NOT
individually cut out, but it's a simple matter to do this with a pair of
scissors, paper shear, or X-Acto knife and straight edge. Each set is
provided as 4 sheets of film 9" x 12" ea. HP installation and index
sheet copies are included. The original HP plastic storage box is NOT
included.
If you are interested, the price is $30.00 US per set plus $5.00 US per
shipment ConUS via USPS Priority with Tracking. Shipment is $10 US
per shipment for Europe via USPS Global Express Other shipping options
at cost.
Payment can be either by PayPal to the account of a Yahoo Group in the
UK I co-own [ see www.RoyalSignals.org.uk ... PLEASE EMAIL ME
FOR ACCOUNT TITLE ] or by USPS Money Order to me in Boston, MA.
This offer may be limited, at my sole choice, to the stock in hand. I am
under no obligation to make any additional quantities. If the demand
exceeds the supply, my sole obligation is to return any funds received.
Take care,
-John
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Re: HP 8505A CRT Overlays.. Now Available
John, should have emailed you last week! What are the PayPal details.
John Day
Toronto, Canada
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At 02:06 AM 12/21/2006, you wrote: After a great deal of searching, I found the heavy gauge film and a
photo lab capable of doing the work properly. So, I now have available a
LIMITED number of reproduction Smith Chart & Log Frequency overlays for
the HP 8505A Automatic Vector Network Analyzer.
This is a high quality reproduction of my set, the HP 08505-60154 8505A
CRT Overlay Kit and includes:
Smith Chart, Regular
Smith Chart, Compressed 2.0
Smith Chart, 0.1 Expanded
Smith Chart, 0.2 Expanded
Smith Chart, 0.5 Expanded
Log Chart, 10 MHz
Log Chart, 100 MHz
Log Chart, 1000 MHz
For each of there there is a visual and photographic overlay. The
overlays are contact prints on 0.007" photographic film. They are NOT
individually cut out, but it's a simple matter to do this with a pair of
scissors, paper shear, or X-Acto knife and straight edge. Each set is
provided as 4 sheets of film 9" x 12" ea. HP installation and index
sheet copies are included. The original HP plastic storage box is NOT
included.
If you are interested, the price is $30.00 US per set plus $5.00 US per
shipment ConUS via USPS Priority with Tracking. Shipment is $10 US
per shipment for Europe via USPS Global Express Other shipping options
at cost.
Payment can be either by PayPal to the account of a Yahoo Group in the
UK I co-own [ see www.RoyalSignals.org.uk ... PLEASE EMAIL ME
FOR ACCOUNT TITLE ] or by USPS Money Order to me in Boston, MA.
This offer may be limited, at my sole choice, to the stock in hand. I am
under no obligation to make any additional quantities. If the demand
exceeds the supply, my sole obligation is to return any funds received.
Take care,
-John
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Hi all,
I am in the process of restoring a huge HP 524B counter. 100 tubes
and about 100 lbs makes it qualify in spades as a boatanchor!
After looking for many years I recently found one to replace my
butchered unit which was beyond restoration.
My (slight) problem is that the behemoth I have is a later model than
the manual I have. The main difference relates to the readout system
for the fastest two decades, which are centre-zero meters calibrated
0-9. The older manual shows the staircase voltage for these meters
derived from a resistor network driven from the plates of the counter
flip flop tubes. The actual unit I have has a plug in unit labelled
"524B-65A staircase amplifier" with four 12AX7 tubes.
Does anyone have any info on this change? I suspect the amplifier was
added to reduce loading on the counters which were already pushed to
the limit of what you could do with vacuum tubes. The 10 MHz decade
counter is a very complex bit of circuitry.
Thanks, and happy holidays,
Morris
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HP 8505A CRT Overlays.. Now Available
After a great deal of searching, I found the heavy gauge film and a
photo lab capable of doing the work properly. So, I now have available a
LIMITED number of reproduction Smith Chart & Log Frequency overlays for
the HP 8505A Automatic Vector Network Analyzer.
This is a high quality reproduction of my set, the HP 08505-60154 8505A
CRT Overlay Kit and includes:
Smith Chart, Regular
Smith Chart, Compressed 2.0
Smith Chart, 0.1 Expanded
Smith Chart, 0.2 Expanded
Smith Chart, 0.5 Expanded
Log Chart, 10 MHz
Log Chart, 100 MHz
Log Chart, 1000 MHz
For each of there there is a visual and photographic overlay. The
overlays are contact prints on 0.007" photographic film. They are NOT
individually cut out, but it's a simple matter to do this with a pair of
scissors, paper shear, or X-Acto knife and straight edge. Each set is
provided as 4 sheets of film 9" x 12" ea. HP installation and index
sheet copies are included. The original HP plastic storage box is NOT
included.
If you are interested, the price is $30.00 US per set plus $5.00 US per
shipment ConUS via USPS Priority with Tracking. Shipment is $10 US
per shipment for Europe via USPS Global Express Other shipping options
at cost.
Payment can be either by PayPal to the account of a Yahoo Group in the
UK I co-own [ see www.RoyalSignals.org.uk ... PLEASE EMAIL ME
FOR ACCOUNT TITLE ] or by USPS Money Order to me in Boston, MA.
This offer may be limited, at my sole choice, to the stock in hand. I am
under no obligation to make any additional quantities. If the demand
exceeds the supply, my sole obligation is to return any funds received.
Take care,
-John
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Vote for your favorite HP Application Notes
Hello everyone,
I'm pursuing a project to post many of the older HP Application
Notes onto the Agilent website.
I could really use your help! Please write me an email mentioning
your favorite Application Notes (that aren't on the web site today).
My budget is limited and I want to prioritize based on customer
feedback. This is a chance for you to influence which ANs get
digitized for all customers.
Please send your email by 5 January. To force you to prioritize :-)
please list no more than 20.
You can send me the AN #, Title or Description.
Thanks,
Mike Kawasaki
mike_kawasaki@...
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Hello all,
Iam looking for a source for the digital freq. readout chips ,7segment lcd ,4x.of my HP 3581A
Hp partnr1990-0434
Anyone?
And the seasons greetings to all.
Kind regards
Edward van Ulft
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