Re: Ownership of 3rd party Agilent Scans
The US did not sign on to the Bern Convention until March 1st, 1989. So, if the manual predates this, and copyright was not asserted properly as required by US law at the time, it is effectively in the public domain.? Ken ________________________________ From: David Kirkby <david.kirkby@...> To: hp_agilent_equipment@... Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2013 6:16 PM Subject: Re: [hp_agilent_equipment] Re: Ownership of 3rd party Agilent Scans On 12 January 2013 23:54, David <dburton97128@...> wrote: Thanks for posting this.? I had not thought of many of your points.
I did do a quick perusal of my HP manuals and found that many have no copyright claims or rights reserved at all in the original factory manuals.? I believe this is a legal requirement if you wish to claim copyright ownership. I don't know about the USA, but here in the UK, you do get copyright, without actually writing a copyright notice. However, it is suggested that it is better to add a notice, but it is not actually required. This point reminds me of when I was a school. Myself and a fellow classmate got in trouble for something, and as a punishment the head told us to copy some lines from a book he picked off the shelf. I don't recall the number of lines, pages etc but he gave us both a pen, some paper, and we were supposed to copy it. He then went away, while we were supposed to do this. My school friend, (who unfortunately died of a heart attack at just 19), noticed there was a copyright notice in the book. So we deceided it was illegal to copy the writing from the book, se we just say there, and waited for the teacher to come back. When he came back, and asked to see what we had written, so we showed him the blank pages. When he asked why we had not done it, we said because of the copyright notice! At this point he picked an old book off the shelf, which had no copyright notice. I think we copied some of that, though we had a bit of fun out of it all. Dave ------------------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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Re: Ownership of 3rd party Agilent Scans
On 12 January 2013 23:54, David <dburton97128@...> wrote: Thanks for posting this. I had not thought of many of your points.
I did do a quick perusal of my HP manuals and found that many have no copyright claims or rights reserved at all in the original factory manuals. I believe this is a legal requirement if you wish to claim copyright ownership. I don't know about the USA, but here in the UK, you do get copyright, without actually writing a copyright notice. However, it is suggested that it is better to add a notice, but it is not actually required. This point reminds me of when I was a school. Myself and a fellow classmate got in trouble for something, and as a punishment the head told us to copy some lines from a book he picked off the shelf. I don't recall the number of lines, pages etc but he gave us both a pen, some paper, and we were supposed to copy it. He then went away, while we were supposed to do this. My school friend, (who unfortunately died of a heart attack at just 19), noticed there was a copyright notice in the book. So we deceided it was illegal to copy the writing from the book, se we just say there, and waited for the teacher to come back. When he came back, and asked to see what we had written, so we showed him the blank pages. When he asked why we had not done it, we said because of the copyright notice! At this point he picked an old book off the shelf, which had no copyright notice. I think we copied some of that, though we had a bit of fun out of it all. Dave
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Re: Ownership of 3rd party Agilent Scans
Thanks for posting this. I had not thought of many of your points.
I did do a quick perusal of my HP manuals and found that many have no copyright claims or rights reserved at all in the original factory manuals. I believe this is a legal requirement if you wish to claim copyright ownership.
On the other hand some manuals do have a copyright notice. There seems no rhyme or reason as to which do and which don't. Probably just the whim of the technical writer at the time.
Since most are out of print or obsolete the US copyright law does allow copying. Some restrictions may apply.
I do see the point on you being able to copyright your value added work. I'm glad you can do that since it helps to keep documentation for this equipment available.
Fortunately for me I have been able to acquire the original documents for almost all of my HP acquired equipment so I haven't really had to stress too much about it.
David B
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David Kirby
While I abhor this type of posting on a technical forum , per YOUR
request I will make this one public response to your request for a
public "hearing"
Here are the finer points in response to your query
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Re: Ownership of 3rd party Agilent Scans
On 12 January 2013, at 3:18 PM, David Kirkby wrote: One can argue it is immoral to copy a manual you have created and
redistribute it. But whether it is actually illegal is another matter. Artek/Dave used the term "illegal" in quotes. I took this to mean morally, not legally illegal. A small point -- easily overlooked, but the critical one in this discussion, I think. Cheers, Dave (yet another) C.
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Re: Failing 3585A Spectrum Analyzer
Gordon & Vladen
The bad ground theory that Vlad just put forward is much overlooked in
this situation . Loosening and re-tightening the screws that hold the
motherboard to the chassis is actually very prudent thing to do with
gear this old. Ground loops and oscillations due to poor grounds in RF
gear are a design engineers nightmare in the beginning and a blind spot
for repair guys after 30+ years in service
Good Luck Dave
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Hi Gordon,
Very good, that tells us that the problem probably isn't related to
the LO circuits. We saved some time. I will look at the manual again
and report if I think of something.
In the meantime, one thing you could do is to check if a board edge
connector somewhere in the analyzer is getting oxidation on it. For
boards that plug into the motherboard, this involves pulling them out,
looking at edge connector fingers and the matching part on the
motherboard and putting them back in. However, be careful with the
colored plastic extractor ears. Yours are pretty old now and are
likely to crack and split from the force required to pull the boards
out. My hope is that you are dealing with a bad ground connection
somewhere.
Vladan
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<mailto:hp_agilent_equipment%40yahoogroups.com>, "gldinnc" wrote:
Vladan,
I uncoupled the bandwidths from the span. When the RBW is 3KHz or
greater I see clear spikes. At lower RBWs it isn't really clear if
there are spikes, but if there, they are much much smaller. The VBW
does not seem to be a player.
Gordon.
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PO Box 175
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Re: Ownership of 3rd party Agilent Scans
Artek creates something called a "derivative work." And it is quite copyrightable in most countries. As long as Artek defends the intellectual property of their works they are proprietary. Several years ago there were lots of heathkits manuals on bama for free. They were free for many years. Then someone bought the heathkit assets and requested that bama take the manuals off. If bama had any interest in pursuing this legally, they would argue that the previous owners of the intellectual property made no effort to keep them proprietary and allowed the public to circulate them freely (whether allowed intentionally or unintentionally). They would probably have a hard time fighting to get their rights back. Of course, no one wins when things are litigating but the lawyers. But anyway I digress. Artek and other licensed manual vendors do have a derivative work and are protected as such, whether we like it or not :) (BTW: I like it!) 73 Eugene W2HX From: hp_agilent_equipment@... [mailto:hp_agilent_equipment@...] On Behalf Of David Kirkby Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2013 6:19 PM To: hp_agilent_equipment@... Subject: Re: [hp_agilent_equipment] Ownership of 3rd party Agilent Scans On 12 January 2013 21:57, Artekmedia manuals@...<mailto:manuals%40artekmedia.com>> wrote: David Kirby
While I abhor this type of posting on a technical forum , per YOUR
request I will make this one public response to your request for a
public "hearing" I did NOT make a request for a public hearing. I did not start a new topic - you did. All I said was I did not want a private discussion about it. I don't feel this is in the least off-topic. It is a mailing list about HP/Agilent test equipment, and the discussion was about HP/Agilent technical manuals. Here are the finer points in response to your query 2) Agilent acknowledges that the "value added" by
ArtekMedia/ArtekManuals in doing the 600dpi scans of schematics, adding
bookmarks, OCR, electronic page numbering which match the original page
numbers etc. are the property of ArtekManuals. I don't deny you add value, and I'm sure Agilent do too. One can argue it is immoral to copy a manual you have created and redistribute it. But whether it is actually illegal is another matter. What you may also not know is this unlike your scanning
endeavor, ours is not a "hobby". This is a full time 6-10 hours /day,
362 days/year business for almost the last 10 years. It is no hobby for me! I done it because I needed to. I did find several dealers with the manual I wanted, but none covered the late S/N of the instrument I needed. So I borrowed a manual, scanned it, made a PDF of it, then distributed that feely under a license from Agilent. It was no fun. Obviously it is easier if you are set up for it. We depend on every
dime to pay the mortgage, utilities and most importantly to provide
medical care for my wife of 45 years who is terminally ill I don't doubt any of this. I just raised a question as to whether it is illegal to distribute your manuals, since you used that word, though you did put it in quotation marks. Any legality would no doubt very much depend in what country you are in. I am not a laywer, and don't know the legality of doing it where I live (the UK). I'm sure there must be many countries in the world which have no copyright laws - there are certainly countries where copying software is just normal, and buying it legally would be unusual. I will make no further comments on this subject and to the techno-files
for which this forum was intended my apologies for the bandwidth I really see no need to apologise. It is an HP/Agilent technical forum, and the discussion was about HP/Agilent technical manuals. Dave
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Re: Failing 3585A Spectrum Analyzer
Hi Gordon,
Very good, that tells us that the problem probably isn't related to the LO circuits. We saved some time. I will look at the manual again and report if I think of something.
In the meantime, one thing you could do is to check if a board edge connector somewhere in the analyzer is getting oxidation on it. For boards that plug into the motherboard, this involves pulling them out, looking at edge connector fingers and the matching part on the motherboard and putting them back in. However, be careful with the colored plastic extractor ears. Yours are pretty old now and are likely to crack and split from the force required to pull the boards out. My hope is that you are dealing with a bad ground connection somewhere.
Vladan
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Vladan,
I uncoupled the bandwidths from the span. When the RBW is 3KHz or greater I see clear spikes. At lower RBWs it isn't really clear if there are spikes, but if there, they are much much smaller. The VBW does not seem to be a player.
Gordon.
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Re: Ownership of 3rd party Agilent Scans
On 12 January 2013 21:57, Artekmedia <manuals@...> wrote: David Kirby
While I abhor this type of posting on a technical forum , per YOUR
request I will make this one public response to your request for a
public "hearing" I did NOT make a request for a public hearing. I did not start a new topic - you did. All I said was I did not want a private discussion about it. I don't feel this is in the least off-topic. It is a mailing list about HP/Agilent test equipment, and the discussion was about HP/Agilent technical manuals. Here are the finer points in response to your query 2) Agilent acknowledges that the "value added" by
ArtekMedia/ArtekManuals in doing the 600dpi scans of schematics, adding
bookmarks, OCR, electronic page numbering which match the original page
numbers etc. are the property of ArtekManuals. I don't deny you add value, and I'm sure Agilent do too. One can argue it is immoral to copy a manual you have created and redistribute it. But whether it is actually illegal is another matter. What you may also not know is this unlike your scanning
endeavor, ours is not a "hobby". This is a full time 6-10 hours /day,
362 days/year business for almost the last 10 years. It is no hobby for me! I done it because I needed to. I did find several dealers with the manual I wanted, but none covered the late S/N of the instrument I needed. So I borrowed a manual, scanned it, made a PDF of it, then distributed that feely under a license from Agilent. It was no fun. Obviously it is easier if you are set up for it. We depend on every
dime to pay the mortgage, utilities and most importantly to provide
medical care for my wife of 45 years who is terminally ill I don't doubt any of this. I just raised a question as to whether it is illegal to distribute your manuals, since you used that word, though you did put it in quotation marks. Any legality would no doubt very much depend in what country you are in. I am not a laywer, and don't know the legality of doing it where I live (the UK). I'm sure there must be many countries in the world which have no copyright laws - there are certainly countries where copying software is just normal, and buying it legally would be unusual. I will make no further comments on this subject and to the techno-files
for which this forum was intended my apologies for the bandwidth I really see no need to apologise. It is an HP/Agilent technical forum, and the discussion was about HP/Agilent technical manuals. Dave
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Chuck
Didnt get the PM?
Dave
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On 1/12/2013 3:03 PM, Chuck wrote:
Dave:
Sent you a PM on this ! !
Chuck
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From: Artekmedia
To: hp_agilent_equipment@...
<mailto:hp_agilent_equipment%40yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2013 11:49 AM
Subject: Re: [hp_agilent_equipment] 7470A Plotter
Better get it quick the copy they have posted is an "illegal" ArtekMedia
Scan :-(
I thought those guys has better taste than that
Dave
ArtekManuals
On 1/12/2013 1:40 PM, Rik Bos wrote:
At the Australian HPcomputer museum www.hpmuseum.net.
-Rik
Op 12 jan. 2013 om 20:26 heeft "Chuck" j-mcclurg@...
<mailto:j-mcclurg%40sbcglobal.net>
het volgende geschreven: Does any one have a copy of the Users Manual for this Plotter? I have found the Interface Manual on line but not the User Manual.
I may get one to use with my "new" 8559A just for a test/fun.
I even found a place with new pens so may not have to refil them !
! :-)
Thanks,
Chuck McClurg
N7UVZ
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Manuals@... <mailto:Manuals%40ArtekManuals.com>
www.Artekmanuals.com
PO Box 175
Welch,MN 55089
651-269-4265
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I just finished rewiring my power supply and transformer area. It now looks pretty much like Chris's power supply area does. I'm also leaving the 120 volt heater disconnected after what Bill Ezell told me about those some times shorting out. This one heats up and stabilizes in about 20 min. without the AC heater going. Why HP would run 120 volts through a precision oscillator leaves me scratching my head.
Mark
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Ownership of 3rd party Agilent Scans
David Kirby
While I abhor this type of posting on a technical forum , per YOUR
request I will make this one public response to your request for a
public "hearing"
Here are the finer points in response to your query
1) We (like you) are licensed by Agilent to make copies "for profit" of
any manual for any product of theirs which is "no longer under support".
We are infact listed as a source of obsolete manuals by Agilent on their
WEB site !
2) Agilent acknowledges that the "value added" by
ArtekMedia/ArtekManuals in doing the 600dpi scans of schematics, adding
bookmarks, OCR, electronic page numbering which match the original page
numbers etc. are the property of ArtekManuals. If you sent the Agilent a
copy of one of our scans and asked them to post it as part of their
archives for free distribution they would decline once they recognized
that it was an ArtekMedia/ArtekManuals scan. They will and have taken
down scans that "slipped through". Note that in the past on two
occasions Agilent purchased ( for non trivial amounts of $$ ) the "full
rights" to a couple of our scans to post on their WEB site acknowledging
the fact that the posting of those scans would kill ( and it did ) the
revenue stream from our work product. What Artekmanuals "owns" is the
value of the reproduction process and it is no different than a musician
doing a "cover" of another musicians work ( for which royalties are
typically paid) for commercial gain.
3) You are perfectly within your rights to redistribute ( within the
confines of your agreement with Agilent) scans that you do of their
manuals to whomever you wish
4) Most of the major sellers of PDF copies on Evil-Bay do have licenses
from Agilent to do so. My observation is that every couple of years the
Agilent legal beagals go through Evil Bay and clean house sending out
decease and desist letters and Evil_Bay removes their listings.
Q-Service, AA4DF (when he was still alive) and MicroManuals for example
are/were all licensed. This last guy ( MicroManuals) by the way, mostly
just retreads free downloads ,if you see he has something listed likely
you can find it for free on the web somewhere.
5) The other free download sites such as BAMA and KO4BB all respect our
scans as well. They will not knowingly post an Artek scan.
6) These folks as well as others know that the amount of time that goes
into producing quality scans is not trivial and that the value we
provide to the larger community needs to be encouraged and protected so
I stay motivated in providing the service. If every scan I did showed
up on a public forum somewhere a few weeks after scanning what would be
the point. What you may also not know is this unlike your scanning
endeavor, ours is not a "hobby". This is a full time 6-10 hours /day,
362 days/year business for almost the last 10 years. We depend on every
dime to pay the mortgage, utilities and most importantly to provide
medical care for my wife of 45 years who is terminally ill with ALS ( I
am not asking for sympathy here just stating facts) , so every penny is
precious. If all our scans were posted for free on the internet I would
stop scanning tomorrow and go become a Walmart greeter or a USPS employee.
I will make no further comments on this subject and to the techno-files
for which this forum was intended my apologies for the bandwidth
I know that "most" of the users of this forum and our scans understand
and respect the work we do. I get enough thank you comments every week.
Can we please now get back to discussing troubleshooting 8566B's and
105C's . If you want argue a point or show support please do not take
up further bandwidth on this forum, a private email to
manuals@artekManuals will suffice.
If anyone would like to purchase ArtekManuals we are getting to the
point where a serious offer would be entertained. As they say in Texas
though ..."If you cant run with the big dogs ...stay on the porch"
Dave Henderson'
President
ArtekMedia/ ArtekManuals.com
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On 1/12/2013 2:43 PM, David Kirkby wrote:
Give you don't own the copyright (Agilent do), and Agilent will let
others distribute copies of the manuals, I find it hard for you to
argue that it is illegal to distribute a copy of a manual you have
made.
I would add, I have no intent to distriubute manuals commercially, but
if I did want to, I do have a license, although I can't recall the
exact conditions of that license.
I wonder what percentage of selllers on eBay selling CD copies of
manuals actually have a license to do so? I suspect that percentage is
fairly low.
Dave
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Dave Henderson
Manuals@...
www.Artekmanuals.com
PO Box 175
Welch,MN 55089
651-269-4265
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Re: Failing 3585A Spectrum Analyzer
Vladan,
I uncoupled the bandwidths from the span. When the RBW is 3KHz or greater I see clear spikes. At lower RBWs it isn't really clear if there are spikes, but if there, they are much much smaller. The VBW does not seem to be a player.
Gordon.
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Hi Gordon,
When you change the span, other things in the analyzer change too. The resolution bandwidth and video bandwidth probably change at the 500kHz span setting as well. That means you can do another experiment:
Set the span to 500 kHz so you can see the spikes and then defeat the automatic coupling for the IF resolution bandwidth. Step the resolution bandwidth up and down and see if the spikes change as a function of res. bw. alone. Repeat for the video bandwidths.
Vladan
--- In hp_agilent_equipment@..., "pianovt" wrote:
Hi Gordon,
This is almost certainly related to the way the LO is structured. Generally speaking, the LO has to make some changes as the span increases. In your case, for spans that are 500 kHz and larger, the LO uses a different method of generating the signal. I will look at the manual, but this may not be the easiest way to find a bad part, especially since you see the problem (to a lesser extent) in narrower spans as well.
Vladan
--- In hp_agilent_equipment@..., "gldinnc" wrote:
What I find curious, is that the spikes on the display only happen when the frequency span is 500,000 Hz or higher. Thoughts on this?
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Dave:
Sent you a PM on this ! !
Chuck
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From: Artekmedia
To: hp_agilent_equipment@...
Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2013 11:49 AM
Subject: Re: [hp_agilent_equipment] 7470A Plotter
Better get it quick the copy they have posted is an "illegal" ArtekMedia
Scan :-(
I thought those guys has better taste than that
Dave
ArtekManuals
On 1/12/2013 1:40 PM, Rik Bos wrote:
>
> At the Australian HPcomputer museum www.hpmuseum.net.
>
> -Rik
>
> Op 12 jan. 2013 om 20:26 heeft "Chuck" j-mcclurg@...
> > het volgende geschreven:
>
> > Does any one have a copy of the Users Manual for this Plotter? I
> have found the Interface Manual on line but not the User Manual.
> > I may get one to use with my "new" 8559A just for a test/fun.
> >
> > I even found a place with new pens so may not have to refil them ! ! :-)
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Chuck McClurg
> > N7UVZ
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
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www.Artekmanuals.com
PO Box 175
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651-269-4265
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Hi,
Thanks for the answers. I tried Kicad and like it but it won't led me edit an existing symbol for some reason. The is an icon for it but it does not lite up and I cannot get it to activate. I seem to be making fair progress with designspark but it is one of those locked in to a pcb vendor things,
I will look at Kicad some more and try to find while I cannot edit a symbol. I need to get a 3pdt symbol. No pcb is planned for this project, adding FETs to my curve tracer adapters.
Jerry Massengale
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-----Original Message----- From: ken_holladay <jacquiken@...> To: hp_agilent_equipment <hp_agilent_equipment@...> Sent: Sat, Jan 12, 2013 2:42 pm Subject: [hp_agilent_equipment] Re: designspark This not free - about $75, but it is very good. Great email support Ken --- In hp_agilent_equipment@..., Harvey White wrote:
On Sat, 12 Jan 2013 10:51:02 -0500 (EST), you wrote:
Hi,
Sorry for the wide search but I want to find someone to help get me started with Designspark. a free pcb design package. I have not been able to find a connection to their support. Right now I cannot find switches like 3pdt in their library. I also need advice on changing text size in their symbol creation utility.
Don't use it.
What free stuff do most use? Sorry again.
Eagle, for small stuff, hobby license for large stuff, non-profit is
guaranteed.
Some like it, some hate it.
Harvey
Jerry Massengale
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On 12 January 2013 20:53, Artekmedia <manuals@...> wrote: David
I will be happy to discuss this with you OFF list ...I do not wish to
hijack this thread over this issue.
Dave ArtekManuals Dave, I don't want a private discussion off list about this. Feel free to start another thread about it if you wish. As you say, it is not good to hijack another thread. Dave Dave
On 1/12/2013 2:43 PM, David Kirkby wrote:
On 12 January 2013 19:49, Artekmedia manuals@...
<mailto:manuals%40artekmedia.com>> wrote:
Better get it quick the copy they have posted is an "illegal" ArtekMedia
Scan :-(
I thought those guys has better taste than that
Dave
ArtekManuals You raise an interesting question.
I once borrowed a manual on the HP 5370B time interval counter from
Poul-Henning Kamp, since I wanted one and at the time there was not
one on the Agilent web site. Having borrowed the manual for nothing, I
thought it was right I offered others the PDF of the manual.
Before distributing that PDF, I asked Agilent for permission. I was
granted a license to do this. I don't recall the exact license
conditions, but I know there was nothing there which prevented me
doing this commerically, or doing more than just that one manual. The
license was free.
So unless I am mistaken, there is no money payable to Agilent for the
right to distribute copies of manuals. One just needs to request a
license, and they give you one. At least that was my experience.
Give you don't own the copyright (Agilent do), and Agilent will let
others distribute copies of the manuals, I find it hard for you to
argue that it is illegal to distribute a copy of a manual you have
made.
I would add, I have no intent to distriubute manuals commercially, but
if I did want to, I do have a license, although I can't recall the
exact conditions of that license.
I wonder what percentage of selllers on eBay selling CD copies of
manuals actually have a license to do so? I suspect that percentage is
fairly low.
Dave
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Manuals@...
www.Artekmanuals.com
PO Box 175
Welch,MN 55089
651-269-4265
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David
I will be happy to discuss this with you OFF list ...I do not wish to
hijack this thread over this issue.
Dave ArtekManuals
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On 12 January 2013 19:49, Artekmedia manuals@...
<mailto:manuals%40artekmedia.com>> wrote:
Better get it quick the copy they have posted is an "illegal" ArtekMedia
Scan :-(
I thought those guys has better taste than that
Dave
ArtekManuals You raise an interesting question.
I once borrowed a manual on the HP 5370B time interval counter from
Poul-Henning Kamp, since I wanted one and at the time there was not
one on the Agilent web site. Having borrowed the manual for nothing, I
thought it was right I offered others the PDF of the manual.
Before distributing that PDF, I asked Agilent for permission. I was
granted a license to do this. I don't recall the exact license
conditions, but I know there was nothing there which prevented me
doing this commerically, or doing more than just that one manual. The
license was free.
So unless I am mistaken, there is no money payable to Agilent for the
right to distribute copies of manuals. One just needs to request a
license, and they give you one. At least that was my experience.
Give you don't own the copyright (Agilent do), and Agilent will let
others distribute copies of the manuals, I find it hard for you to
argue that it is illegal to distribute a copy of a manual you have
made.
I would add, I have no intent to distriubute manuals commercially, but
if I did want to, I do have a license, although I can't recall the
exact conditions of that license.
I wonder what percentage of selllers on eBay selling CD copies of
manuals actually have a license to do so? I suspect that percentage is
fairly low.
Dave
--
Dave Henderson
Manuals@...
www.Artekmanuals.com
PO Box 175
Welch,MN 55089
651-269-4265
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On 12 January 2013 19:49, Artekmedia <manuals@...> wrote: Better get it quick the copy they have posted is an "illegal" ArtekMedia
Scan :-(
I thought those guys has better taste than that
Dave
ArtekManuals You raise an interesting question. I once borrowed a manual on the HP 5370B time interval counter from Poul-Henning Kamp, since I wanted one and at the time there was not one on the Agilent web site. Having borrowed the manual for nothing, I thought it was right I offered others the PDF of the manual. Before distributing that PDF, I asked Agilent for permission. I was granted a license to do this. I don't recall the exact license conditions, but I know there was nothing there which prevented me doing this commerically, or doing more than just that one manual. The license was free. So unless I am mistaken, there is no money payable to Agilent for the right to distribute copies of manuals. One just needs to request a license, and they give you one. At least that was my experience. Give you don't own the copyright (Agilent do), and Agilent will let others distribute copies of the manuals, I find it hard for you to argue that it is illegal to distribute a copy of a manual you have made. I would add, I have no intent to distriubute manuals commercially, but if I did want to, I do have a license, although I can't recall the exact conditions of that license. I wonder what percentage of selllers on eBay selling CD copies of manuals actually have a license to do so? I suspect that percentage is fairly low. Dave
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This not free - about $75, but it is very good.
Great email support
Ken
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--- In hp_agilent_equipment@..., Harvey White wrote:
On Sat, 12 Jan 2013 10:51:02 -0500 (EST), you wrote:
Hi,
Sorry for the wide search but I want to find someone to help get me started with Designspark. a free pcb design package. I have not been able to find a connection to their support. Right now I cannot find switches like 3pdt in their library. I also need advice on changing text size in their symbol creation utility.
Don't use it.
What free stuff do most use? Sorry again.
Eagle, for small stuff, hobby license for large stuff, non-profit is
guaranteed.
Some like it, some hate it.
Harvey
Jerry Massengale
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Re: 8563E +28V shutdown/oscillates
IF it takes seconds to cycle on and off, suspect that it's overheating and
protecting itself. The junction temp would be in the 150-160C range, so the
IC would be really, really hot.
From your last post it sounds like the input voltage is what's dropping out?
That'll do it, too!
Good luck -
Dan
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Hi Jerry, For work, I use Altium, Viewdraw (now Mentor PADS) and OrCad. Each has its own features & quirks. For play I use Express PCB (find it great for even just documenting small hand-wired stuff) and gEDA gSchem and PCB. The latter is Linux based and is supported by a big open-source community. A friend of mine uses it exclusively for his small company. See: There is also KiCad, which is free & open source as well. Have not tried it, but looks pretty nice: David Jones did a review of it on his EEVblog: Hope this helps. /John On Sat, Jan 12, 2013 at 11:31 AM, Peter Bunge <bunge@...> wrote: **
I use DIPTRACE, a free version is available which is quite powerful.
I decided on this package on recommendation of a colleague who has much
experience and has tried almost everything available.
Diptrace has a bit of a learning curve and the Library setup can be
challenging. However once you are into it (5 hours) and have gone through
the Tutorial it is easy to use and very powerful.
I was using ExpressPCB which was very easy to use but will not make files
to send to 'other' PCB fabricators, they want you to use their plant.
Before this I used Tango but it was so good it was bought out by a biggie
and discontinued. It was not free but was affordable.
I built a Zen CNC machine and needed Gerber files to drive it, which
Diptrace makes.
There is a Diptrace Forum and many libraries to share.
The program will autoroute and check your PCB against the schematic.
Although I have never used autorouting in the past 40 years I am now
getting into it. My boards have never been very complicated and using PICs
there is seldom more than a dozen components so it has been faster to avoid
autorouting. I have made one board by manually placing key components, then
autorouting and the result was excellent. Learning curve!
Peter.
--- In hp_agilent_equipment@..., jerry massengale wrote:
Hi,
Sorry for the wide search but I want to find someone to help get me
started with Designspark. a free pcb design package. I have not been able
to find a connection to their support. Right now I cannot find switches
like 3pdt in their library. I also need advice on changing text size in
their symbol creation utility.
What free stuff do most use? Sorry again.
Jerry Massengale
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