Re: mailing lists, was Re: [HP-Agilent-Keysight-equipment] Trying to go through alignment procedure for HP412A that I rebuilt, having trouble with first step lol
On 11/30/24 21:27, Dan via wrote:
> Okay, I really appreciate it Dave.? So what¡¯s the difference really? Do
> they kind of function the same, but each message and response puts an
> email in your email account?
? ?Yes, pretty much.? The first thing to remember is that mailing lists
have nothing at all to do with the web, web servers, web sites, or web
browsers.? It's an email address that you send an email to (by whatever
means you access your email), and then that email is re-sent
automatically to all the people subscribed to (registered to be
recipients of) the mailing list.
True.?
? ?Groups.io is a commercial vendor of mailing list services.? They
provide a web interface for list administrators to manage their lists,
as well as for people to view archives of past list traffic.? In recent
years that functionality has been (inadvisably, IMO) extended to include
posting messages to the mailing list from the web interface as well.
Groups.io offers FAR more functionality than a mailing list. A mailing list doesn¡¯t offer 30 GB of file storage, a wiki, and a whole host of other features that the group has. Not all features are enabled on this group, as they would serve no useful purpose.?
? ?Many people feel that web forums are the "new" way and mailing lists
are the "old" way, and while mailing lists are much older (dating back
to the 1970s) the reality is that both formats are decades old and it
really just boils down to personal preference.
? ? ? ? ? ? ?-Dave
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Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
New Kensington, PA
It¡¯s your personal preference whether you use the other features, but they exist and other people do use them. I feel that they should be encouraged to use them.?
Dave? (Group owner)?
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8350A + 83525A mechanical issues
Hello
In the last months I've been playing with a HP 8350A + 83525A that probably had a uncontrolled impact with something. After replacing a 7426 on CPU board and rebuilding most of the B.West springs with stuff found on taobao, I'm left with mechanical issues. ?Given my noob level I would really appreciate feedback and suggestions from experts.
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The first issue is the plastic lever that operates the power switch (image 1). It broke where the metal pin enters. Glue doesn't seem to be an answer; a 3D printer would probably be the best solution but given the cost I'll just continue plug/unplug the cable.
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Second issue is probably even more complicated. The N connector of the plug in hit something hard and broke the metal fitting inside (image 2). Sorry for the lousy image but haven't decided to take it apart yet given my experience with the reset button of my 5328A (story for another time). This is part of the plug in frame so replacing it means a new plugin very €€€€. Ideas?
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Last question is about adjustments. The last adjustment in the manual is Marker DAC. Although setting the trigger level is quite tricky (seems easier with a scope) the reading I have is indeed 500 and in some moments 400 however full rotations of A4R28 make no differences. This does not sound very good, but more than adequate for hobbyist use
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Thanks in advance for any suggestions for and recommendations
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cheers
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Re: VNA Resonance Methodology
jmr,
I appreciate the offer, but it won't be necessary, thanks all the same. Now I know where I went wrong the dip is readily visible. I just need to take more care with my coil-winding technique in future!
Thanks to all who chipped in with suggestions in this thread; much appreciated.
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Re: 83592B Plugin Repair - No RF Output - Need some measurements
Hi, have you read the thread
"Help request - how to test an HP8350B RF plugin YIG"
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It was an unexpected problem in the PCB's sockets, check that too.
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John.?
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mailing lists, was Re: [HP-Agilent-Keysight-equipment] Trying to go through alignment procedure for HP412A that I rebuilt, having trouble with first step lol
On 11/30/24 21:27, Dan via groups.io wrote: Okay, I really appreciate it Dave. ?So what¡¯s the difference really? Do they kind of function the same, but each message and response puts an email in your email account? Yes, pretty much. The first thing to remember is that mailing lists have nothing at all to do with the web, web servers, web sites, or web browsers. It's an email address that you send an email to (by whatever means you access your email), and then that email is re-sent automatically to all the people subscribed to (registered to be recipients of) the mailing list. Groups.io is a commercial vendor of mailing list services. They provide a web interface for list administrators to manage their lists, as well as for people to view archives of past list traffic. In recent years that functionality has been (inadvisably, IMO) extended to include posting messages to the mailing list from the web interface as well. This has blurred the line between mailing lists and web forums, and has resulted in a whole lot of confusion. The primary usage of this and other "groups" is via email, though some people who want to pretend it's a web forum can do so, and it's mostly good enough for that. (though I myself do not have the patience for it; I'm a very busy person) Many people feel that web forums are the "new" way and mailing lists are the "old" way, and while mailing lists are much older (dating back to the 1970s) the reality is that both formats are decades old and it really just boils down to personal preference. -Dave -- Dave McGuire, AK4HZ New Kensington, PA
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Re: Trying to go through alignment procedure for HP412A that I rebuilt, having trouble with first step lol
it might actually be better to eliminate this one, I already have a couple responses on the other posting I have, and nothing here, except for you letting me know you saw that I had put two listings on. Thank you
Dan
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Re: Alignment of HP 412A after rebuild, having trouble with the first step.
I really appreciate it Richard. ?Nothing wrong with the meter, can mechanically zero it no problem with the small adjustment screw. Once the mechanical zero is that the meter is pretty much Dead on with the different DC and AC voltages I fed into it. I was just explaining that when you adjust the home balance it does greatly affect the mechanical zero. So before I did, any alignment work, I set the mechanical zero which it really wasn¡¯t that far off at all. It is the measurements and it looked good. But I wanted to go through the alignment procedure, I did no problem on my 410B. ?Well that¡¯s when I read the first step to look at it on a scope and adjust for the lowest 10 Hz signal. I could pick up and that¡¯s when I saw it. Completely messed up my mechanical zero. Plus my scope was reading signals in the kHz. ? by adjusting the home balance I was able to get the scope read out to be in frequencies much lower, but nowhere near 10 Hz. ?
Dan
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Re: Trying to go through alignment procedure for HP412A that I rebuilt, having trouble with first step lol
Okay, I really appreciate it Dave. ?So what¡¯s the difference really? Do they kind of function the same, but each message and response puts an email in your email account?
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Thank you again,
Dan
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HP 8753B VNA - replace supercap on CPU A9 board with long-term primary battery?
I'd like to extend the power-off memory retention period of my HP 8753B from a week or two (it's original supercap) to "forever" (at least a very long time).
Would it be possible to replace the supercap on the CPU board with pair of wires to a standby battery? I'm thinking lithium primary cell(s) that match the expected full-charge voltage and feed the CPU board with whatever protective components might be suggested (bypass cap(s), series resistor(s), etc.)
Are there any issues/concerns with doing this?
Why? My only data retention need is to make a cal kit definition persistent (the Kirkby Microwave 8033 kit), and for that the VNA Cal Kit Manager or other similar Windows software accessed via GPIB is somewhat overkill (I've set that up and verified the system works, but it would be much more in tune with my occasional use for the VNA just to power up retaining it's internal RAM after a (typically few month) period. I'd expect my solution would eventually discharge and require replacement of the battery and reinitialization of the Kirkby cal kit data; that's OK by me.
Thanks for any advice, pointers, or requests for clarification!
Dave
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Re: Trying to go through alignment procedure for HP412A that I rebuilt, having trouble with first step lol
On 11/30/24 18:04, Dan via groups.io wrote: I apologize, I have a duplicate thread. I didn¡¯t realized the post had to be authorized before being posted. It can be deleted, use this thread for help. No problem. I saw the two messages in the moderator queue and it was pretty clear what happened, so I just put both through not knowing if you'd have a preference as to which one went. Keep in mind, though, that this is not a web forum, it is a mailing list that also has a web interface. -Dave -- Dave McGuire, AK4HZ New Kensington, PA
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Re: Alignment of HP 412A after rebuild, having trouble with the first step.
Looked at the schematic, which I should have done before replying. R-126, the hum balance, is in the filament line. The 10 Hz signal is described as a beat note on the output of the DC amplifier. I have to study the circuit to see what is generating the beat. The small screw below the meter face is the _mechanical_ meter zero. It should be set with the meter turned off and allowed to sit for a few minutes to discharge the caps. If you are not able to zero the meter electrically there is some circuit problem, there is an electrical zero in the circuit. You have got my curiosity up but it will take me a while to figure out how the thing works again (understood it once). In the meantime someone else likely knows the answer and will post.
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On 11/30/2024 3:18 PM, Richard Knoppow via groups.io wrote: ?? I have not worked on a 412 for many years. Is it possible the hum balance is NOT power supply hum but the residue of the chopper?
-- Richard Knoppow Los Angeles WB6KBL SKCC 19998
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Re: Alignment of HP 412A after rebuild, having trouble with the first step.
I have not worked on a 412 for many years. Is it possible the hum balance is NOT power supply hum but the residue of the chopper?
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On 11/30/2024 1:00 PM, Dan via groups.io wrote: Hello all, I am finishing up on a restoration of a HP 412A VTVM. ?It¡¯s quite accurate from the get go after the restoration. I replaced every capacitor minus ceramics, I replaced pretty much every carbon composite resistor with 1% metal film of good quality, installed nos tubes that tested quite strong. ?I¡¯m not sure if I¡¯m doing the hum balance correctly. It says to connect a scope to the amplifier terminals which happen to be on the back of the meter and adjust for minimal 10 hz signal. ? I¡¯m not seeing any 10 hz, only seeing stuff in the kHz. If I adjust the hum balance pot it does change the waveform seen and it does lower the frequency, but I get nowhere near 10 hz and the frequency is jumping all over the place. I did also notice that the hum balance adjustment also affects the zero point of the meter fairly greatly. ?After playing around with it I had to zero the meter using the small screw directly below the meter face. How do I do this correctly? When adjusting hum balance in a tube amplifier I would adjust for lowest noise/hum. Would adjusting for the lowest point where the needle sits on the meter work? Equating that the needle is higher due to noise, this is a total guess here. ? I¡¯m sure there are others that have aligned this meter so I¡¯m hoping for some help. Thank you, Dan
-- Richard Knoppow Los Angeles WB6KBL SKCC 19998
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Re: Trying to go through alignment procedure for HP412A that I rebuilt, having trouble with first step lol
I apologize, I have a duplicate thread. I didn¡¯t realized the post had to be authorized before being posted. It can be deleted, use this thread for help.?
Thank you,
Dan
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Alignment of HP 412A after rebuild, having trouble with the first step.
Hello all, I am finishing up on a restoration of a HP 412A VTVM. ?It¡¯s quite accurate from the get go after the restoration. ?
I replaced every capacitor minus ceramics, I replaced pretty much every carbon composite resistor with 1% metal film of good quality, installed nos tubes that tested quite strong. ?I¡¯m not sure if I¡¯m doing the hum balance correctly. ?
It says to connect a scope to the amplifier terminals which happen to be on the back of the meter and adjust for minimal 10 hz signal. ? I¡¯m not seeing any 10 hz, only seeing stuff in the kHz.
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I did also notice that the hum balance adjustment also affects the zero point of the meter fairly greatly. ?After playing around with it I had to zero the meter using the small screw directly below the meter face.
How do I do this correctly? When adjusting hum balance in a tube amplifier I would adjust for lowest noise/hum. Would adjusting for the lowest point where the needle sits on the meter work? Equating that the needle is higher due to noise, this is a total guess here. ? I¡¯m sure there are others that have aligned this meter so I¡¯m hoping for some help.
Thank you, Dan
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Trying to go through alignment procedure for HP412A that I rebuilt, having trouble with first step lol
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I replaced every capacitor minus ceramics, I replaced pretty much every carbon composite resistor with 1% metal film of good quality, installed nos tubes that tested quite strong. ?I¡¯m not sure if I¡¯m doing the hum balance correctly. ?
It says to connect a scope to the amplifier terminals which happen to be on the back of the meter and adjust for minimal 10 hz signal. ? I¡¯m not seeing any 10 hz, only seeing stuff in the kHz.
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If I adjust the hum balance pot it does change the waveform seen and it does lower the frequency, but I get nowhere near 10 hz and the frequency is jumping all over the place. ?
I did also notice that the hum balance adjustment also affects the zero point of the meter fairly greatly. ?After playing around with it I had to zero the meter using the small screw directly below the meter face.
How do I do this correctly? When adjusting hum balance in a tube amplifier I would adjust for lowest noise/hum. Would adjusting for the lowest point where the needle sits on the meter work? Equating that the needle is higher due to noise, this is a total guess here. ? I¡¯m sure there are others that have aligned this meter so I¡¯m hoping for some help.
Thank you, Dan
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Re: Troubleshooting a 8591e with opt 130
Yves,
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Just a small additional update. I'm pretty convinced now the owner before the guy I got it from was already trying to fix this same issue. (I bought it from a guy who had bought it as broken but never had time to look into it).
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I got a bit creative and started the adjustment procedure for the log amp. Most trimmers are at their end position so it's easy to restore.?
I used the analyzers own 0Mhz peak and it's step attenuator to get a Aux video out level near 1000mv. Officially the procedure tells to use an external synthesizer and the IF extender card, which I both lack currently.?
Ended up at 0hz span, ref level 0dB, att 20dB giving signal right at the top of the display and 1.0008V. Manual then gets unclear for me, says ampt increase 10dB on synthesizer, then set synthesizer to level from previous step.?
Anyway, continued in Lin mode, my aux video level dropped to 0.17v roughly and signal level also dropped ~15dB. So even if the input level had to be increased 10dB it would be too low. I found the slope trimmer at its end stop to already give max signal. Adjusting the trimmer could only lower the signal level. Feels like someone has been trying exactly that before me.. so probably we're looking at the combination of a failed component and a ruined adjustment..
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Marco
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Re: HP 8341B 1992 firmware version
There is no limitation for 8510C version as I know.
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Re: HP 8341B 1992 firmware version
OK, so we both have the same firmware. I have both 8340B and 8341B with the same firmware. Do you maybe know what is the highest 8510C firmware version compatible with that 1AUG1986 for 8340/1B ?
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Re: HP 8341B 1992 firmware version
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Re: HP 8341B 1992 firmware version
Dmitrij,
Mine is also 2650 serial number. Which firmware version you have?
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