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Re: Hp 8590a eeprom problem.

Richard Cook
 

Yes I cleaned the contact points with alcohol and q tip, for the female receptacle part I used a acid brush and alcohol.??
Well guess what, it worked good, put the cover back on and my friendly fail code 1310 appears again. How aggravating. It indicates eeprom u21. I got the part number off the IC PMI 8639 1826-1048. I'm not sure how to read the chip I see a lot of chip with 1826-1048 but not the first number 8639. Can someone enlighten me on this.?
Thanks?
Re: 8341B vs 8673B

 

Matt -
AFIK, the source modules are not connected to the 8430 in the same way they are connected to the 8350 (and also, I believe to the 8673).

I'm just starting to play with the source modules (HP series) and will let you know. I believe I will need to use the 8510 multiplier technique.

Cheers!

Bruce

Quoting Bruce <bruce@...>:

Quoting Matt Huszagh <huszaghmatt@...>:

"Bruce" <bruce@...> writes:

Quoting Matt Huszagh <huszaghmatt@...>:
Something I've missed also. Where in the menus do you find the
appropriate settings ?? This would be convenient when using the mm
source modules.
I believe it's under System -> More -> EDIT MULT. SRC.

Take a look at Controlling Multiple Sources in the 8510C operating
manual. Forward a few pages there's a section entitled "SOURCE 1 Formula
Use". This allows you to apply offsets and multiplications to a source.

If you have the official HP/Agilent mm source modules, these should have
a bus that does this for you; i.e., you don't need to mess with these
menus.

If you don't have the official modules, then this would indeed be the
approach.

Matt
Re: 8341B vs 8673B

 

Quoting Matt Huszagh <huszaghmatt@...>:

"Bruce" <bruce@...> writes:

Quoting Matt Huszagh <huszaghmatt@...>:
Something I've missed also. Where in the menus do you find the
appropriate settings ?? This would be convenient when using the mm
source modules.
I believe it's under System -> More -> EDIT MULT. SRC.

Take a look at Controlling Multiple Sources in the 8510C operating
manual. Forward a few pages there's a section entitled "SOURCE 1 Formula
Use". This allows you to apply offsets and multiplications to a source.

If you have the official HP/Agilent mm source modules, these should have
a bus that does this for you; i.e., you don't need to mess with these
menus.

If you don't have the official modules, then this would indeed be the
approach.

Matt
Re: 8341B vs 8673B

 

Matt -
Sure - I just never thought about it that way - I was thinking that the 8340 would be where the configuration was done.

No problem

Cheers!

Bruce

Quoting Matt Huszagh <huszaghmatt@...>:

Matt Huszagh <huszaghmatt@...> writes:

Take a look at Controlling Multiple Sources in the 8510C operating
manual. Forward a few pages there's a section entitled "SOURCE 1 Formula
Use". This allows you to apply offsets and multiplications to a source.
I should clarify this statement as it's somewhat poorly phrased. The
8510C doesn't apply frequency offsets or multiply your RF source
signal. It simply tells the RF source to generate a frequency that is
some combination of offset and multiple or submultiple of the displayed
frequency for a given sweep point. Probably obvious, but worth
clarifying. This is all explained in the manual.

Matt
Re: 8341B vs 8673B

 

Matt Huszagh <huszaghmatt@...> writes:

Take a look at Controlling Multiple Sources in the 8510C operating
manual. Forward a few pages there's a section entitled "SOURCE 1 Formula
Use". This allows you to apply offsets and multiplications to a source.
I should clarify this statement as it's somewhat poorly phrased. The
8510C doesn't apply frequency offsets or multiply your RF source
signal. It simply tells the RF source to generate a frequency that is
some combination of offset and multiple or submultiple of the displayed
frequency for a given sweep point. Probably obvious, but worth
clarifying. This is all explained in the manual.

Matt
Re: 8341B vs 8673B

 

"Bruce" <bruce@...> writes:

Quoting Matt Huszagh <huszaghmatt@...>:
Something I've missed also. Where in the menus do you find the
appropriate settings ?? This would be convenient when using the mm
source modules.
I believe it's under System -> More -> EDIT MULT. SRC.

Take a look at Controlling Multiple Sources in the 8510C operating
manual. Forward a few pages there's a section entitled "SOURCE 1 Formula
Use". This allows you to apply offsets and multiplications to a source.

If you have the official HP/Agilent mm source modules, these should have
a bus that does this for you; i.e., you don't need to mess with these
menus.

If you don't have the official modules, then this would indeed be the
approach.

Matt
Re: Suffering from RIFA anxiety!

 

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Yes, the RIFA caps in question are Y and X caps. ?You are not supposed to replace them with some random cap!?


Wilko
Re: 8341B vs 8673B

 

Quoting Matt Huszagh <huszaghmatt@...>:
Something I've missed also. Where in the menus do you find the appropriate settings ?? This would be convenient when using the mm source modules.

Cheers!

Bruce

"gianni chiodo" <chiodo.gianni@...> writes:

You set the 8340B with x4 multiplier and the multiplier out using an
attenuator goes to the 8517 .
Using the 8340B multiplier feature the 8510 ask for let me say sweep from
26 to 52 GHz and the 8340 perform in accordance so set the correct sweep 4
times lower .
Even using 8340B stand alone the reading is the multiplied frequency.
I use the same approach connecting the Gigatronics scalar analyzer .
If i have to go lower than 26 GHz i connect direct the 8340B to the 8515
without the multiplier or multiplier x1.
thats all.
That's a cool capability I wasn't aware of. Thanks for pointing that out
Gianni. It would be nice if the 8510 could control a switch driver
controlling a pair of switches too. That way, you could get the full 10
MHz to 52 GHz in one sweep. That would be useful for things like time
domain low pass mode. I didn't see anything about that in the manual
though.

Matt
Re: 8341B vs 8673B

 

"gianni chiodo" <chiodo.gianni@...> writes:

You set the 8340B with x4 multiplier and the multiplier out using an
attenuator goes to the 8517 .
Using the 8340B multiplier feature the 8510 ask for let me say sweep from
26 to 52 GHz and the 8340 perform in accordance so set the correct sweep 4
times lower .
Even using 8340B stand alone the reading is the multiplied frequency.
I use the same approach connecting the Gigatronics scalar analyzer .
If i have to go lower than 26 GHz i connect direct the 8340B to the 8515
without the multiplier or multiplier x1.
thats all.
That's a cool capability I wasn't aware of. Thanks for pointing that out
Gianni. It would be nice if the 8510 could control a switch driver
controlling a pair of switches too. That way, you could get the full 10
MHz to 52 GHz in one sweep. That would be useful for things like time
domain low pass mode. I didn't see anything about that in the manual
though.

Matt
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gianni chiodo
 


Re: 8341B vs 8673B

[email protected]
 

You set the 8340B with x4 multiplier and the multiplier out using an attenuator goes to the 8517 .
Using the 8340B multiplier feature the 8510 ask for let me say sweep from 26 to 52 GHz and the 8340 perform in accordance so set the correct sweep 4 times lower .
Even using?8340B stand alone the reading is the multiplied frequency.
I use the same approach?connecting the Gigatronics scalar analyzer .
If i have to go lower than 26 GHz i connect direct the 8340B to the 8515 without the multiplier or multiplier x1.
thats all.
Gianni
IW1EPY

Il giorno lun 12 set 2022 alle ore 15:50 Matt Huszagh <huszaghmatt@...> ha scritto:
"Gianni via " <gianni.chiodo=[email protected]> writes:

> I normaly use an HP8340B for uwave using multiplier .
>
> I have a x4 from Marki that gives more than 20 dBm up to 52 GHz than waveguide multiplier Varactor type up to 100 GHz and with limitation? up to 150 Ghz .
>
> In Scalar mode with waveguide detector and dir coupler I can cover the ham band of 76 and 122 GHz.
>
> In VNA is connected to HP8510C up to 50 GHz.

Hi Gianni,

Can you elaborate on this 8510C setup a bit more? The 8340 through the
x4 Marki goes to an 8517? Does the 8510C software handle this fine? Do
you just restrict the 8510 frequency range to the quadrupler input range
and then just adjust the display readings in your head? Or, does the
setup work a little differently?

Thanks
Matt
Re: Looking for Agilent PNA old FW repo?

 

Try the wayback machine

Cheers!

Bruce

Quoting "Kevin A. via groups.io" <kevin424@...>:

Hi all,

Does anyone have a copy of the Agilent/KS PNA legacy firmware files? This page was up until very recently, and of course now I am working on an old unit that needs fw:



If anyone has these saved somewhere please let me know. I can host them on my website (neonkev.com) for folks in need in the future as well.

Thank you!
Re: PNA (E835XA) Hard drive issue

 

Hi Julien,

Would you be able to share an image of the 266MHz drive with windows 2000 if possible? I am trying to resuscitate an unbootable 266 MHz unit which I know has an OS problem.

Thank you,
Kevin
Re: Hp 8590a spectrum analyzer

 

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Looks very good .

Ing. Patricio A. Greco
Taller Aeronáutico de Reparación 1B-349
Organización de Mantenimiento?Aeronáutico de la Defensa OMAD-001
Laboratorio de Calibración ISO 17025?AREA: RF/MW?
Gral. Martín Rodríguez 2159
San Miguel (1663)
Buenos Aires
T: +5411-4455-2557
F: +5411-4032-0072




On 12 Sep 2022, at 12:36, Richard Cook <richardcook331@...> wrote:

Crt . Like the old televisions.?

On Mon, Sep 12, 2022, 11:10 AM Patricio A. Greco via??<patricio_greco=[email protected]> wrote:
Mr. Cook: This is a LCD or CRT Display ???

Regards, Patricio

Ing. Patricio A. Greco
Taller Aeronáutico de Reparación 1B-349
Organización de Mantenimiento?Aeronáutico de la Defensa OMAD-001
Laboratorio de Calibración ISO 17025?AREA: RF/MW?
Gral. Martín Rodríguez 2159
San Miguel (1663)
Buenos Aires
T: +5411-4455-2557
F: +5411-4032-0072




On 10 Sep 2022, at 08:49, Richard Cook <richardcook331@...> wrote:

Here is my new cal data after cleaning the boards contacts. Looks almost perfect to me.?<20220909_214211.jpg>
Looking for Agilent PNA old FW repo?

 

Hi all,
?
Does anyone have a copy of the Agilent/KS PNA legacy firmware files? This page was up until very recently, and of course now I am working on an old unit that needs fw:
?
https://web.archive.org/web/20180113012620/http://na.support.keysight.com/pna/firmware/old/
?
If anyone has these saved somewhere please let me know. I can host them on my website (neonkev.com) for folks in need in the future as well.
?
Thank you!
Re: Hp 8590a spectrum analyzer

Richard Cook
 

Crt . Like the old televisions.?


On Mon, Sep 12, 2022, 11:10 AM Patricio A. Greco via <patricio_greco=[email protected]> wrote:
Mr. Cook: This is a LCD or CRT Display ???

Regards, Patricio

Ing. Patricio A. Greco
Taller Aeronáutico de Reparación 1B-349
Organización de Mantenimiento?Aeronáutico de la Defensa OMAD-001
Laboratorio de Calibración ISO 17025?AREA: RF/MW?
Gral. Martín Rodríguez 2159
San Miguel (1663)
Buenos Aires
T: +5411-4455-2557
F: +5411-4032-0072




On 10 Sep 2022, at 08:49, Richard Cook <richardcook331@...> wrote:

Here is my new cal data after cleaning the boards contacts. Looks almost perfect to me.?<20220909_214211.jpg>

Re: Hp 8590a spectrum analyzer

 

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Mr. Cook: This is a LCD or CRT Display ???

Regards, Patricio

Ing. Patricio A. Greco
Taller Aeronáutico de Reparación 1B-349
Organización de Mantenimiento?Aeronáutico de la Defensa OMAD-001
Laboratorio de Calibración ISO 17025?AREA: RF/MW?
Gral. Martín Rodríguez 2159
San Miguel (1663)
Buenos Aires
T: +5411-4455-2557
F: +5411-4032-0072




On 10 Sep 2022, at 08:49, Richard Cook <richardcook331@...> wrote:

Here is my new cal data after cleaning the boards contacts. Looks almost perfect to me.?<20220909_214211.jpg>

Re: Suffering from RIFA anxiety!

 

Filters on power cord entries are as much to protect the
instrument from RFI as to protect the power line from RFI.

HP has used such filters, well, just about forever.

-Chuck Harris


On Sun, 11 Sep 2022 15:48:50 -0700 "vk2bea via groups.io"
<vk2bea@...> wrote:
On Sun, Sep 11, 2022 at 03:41 PM, Tom Lee wrote:


Linear vs. SMPS would not be expected to matter, in any case.
Sure, as to whether the devices fail. I was speculating that the
instruments with linear supplies would need less high frequency
filtering on the mains.? (but I have a fairly small sample size of
instrument types to judge that on)
Re: Suffering from RIFA anxiety!

 

Hi Dave,

I was, and I wasn't.

The Schaffner filters are reported to contain the yellow
epoxy covered RIFA brand capacitors in their internal
filters... They would seemingly have to be some sort
of safety cap because they come before the fuses.

I have seen RIFA caps that were used in other ways that
were bad, though I have not seen one blow up.

It might be time to blow a few just for the experience.

-Chuck Harris

On Sun, 11 Sep 2022 19:02:41 -0400 "Dave McGuire"
<mcguire@...> wrote:
Jeeze Chuck, my mistake, I thought you were talking about Rifas,
not Schaffners. I've not seen a Schaffner go either, myself.

My grandmother used to say "I wish I'd been born rich instead of
so beautiful!" ;)

-Dave

On 9/11/22 18:24, Chuck Harris wrote:
If you can't be pretty, may as well be lucky!

All I can say is in 4 decades of designing, using,
and repairing electronic equipment, I haven't seen
a Schaffner filter blow up. Tomorrow may be the day
that I may see a dozen...

The goodness of the whole idea of putting several
safety caps, which are designed to blow without
catching the instrument on fire, in a can full of tar
eludes me.

-Chuck Harris


On Sun, 11 Sep 2022 12:40:50 -0400 "Dave McGuire"
<mcguire@...> wrote:
On 9/11/22 11:53, Chuck Harris wrote:
Mostly the failure rate of RIFA paper dielectric safety
capacitors, with clear (yellow) epoxy potting, is related
to how large the difference is between their design failure
voltage, and the voltage applied.

In other words, for older capacitors:
If you use a 250VAC RIFA cap on 240VAC mains, failure is
all but assured.

If you use a 250VAC RIFA cap on 120V mains, you will likely
never see a failure.
That's nowhere near true in the field, unfortunately. I've
replaced two 250VAC RIFA capacitors run on 120V in the past week
alone. These blow up *all the time*.

Storage in a humid environment dramatically accelerates the
failure of RIFAs.

Or so says my 40 years of experience as an engineer, with never
seeing a single RIFA capacitor failure on 120VAC.
You've been lucky.

-Dave
Re: 8341B vs 8673B

 

"Gianni via groups.io" <gianni.chiodo@...> writes:

I normaly use an HP8340B for uwave using multiplier .

I have a x4 from Marki that gives more than 20 dBm up to 52 GHz than waveguide multiplier Varactor type up to 100 GHz and with limitation up to 150 Ghz .

In Scalar mode with waveguide detector and dir coupler I can cover the ham band of 76 and 122 GHz.

In VNA is connected to HP8510C up to 50 GHz.
Hi Gianni,

Can you elaborate on this 8510C setup a bit more? The 8340 through the
x4 Marki goes to an 8517? Does the 8510C software handle this fine? Do
you just restrict the 8510 frequency range to the quadrupler input range
and then just adjust the display readings in your head? Or, does the
setup work a little differently?

Thanks
Matt
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