Re: How to find patents for HP equipment
And McDonald’s secret sauce and KFC’s “11 herbs and spices” ?
Steve
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On Feb 21, 2022, at 6:53 PM, Tom Lee <tomlee@...> wrote:
?A classic example of trade secret protection is the formula for Coke. Patents expire, but trade secret protection lasts as long as the secret can be kept.
Tom
On 2/21/2022 4:45 PM, Richard Knoppow wrote:
To be clear, once an application has been made there is considerable protection until the patent is issued. As someone mentioned there are lots of patent applied for notices on manufactured items.
Also, Some companies relied more on trade secret protection. Eastman Kodak did this for many years because there is no time limit on it. They began to rely more on patents when the rate of discovery of new products became rapid enough for a patent to last through the market life. A trade secret can protect one against having a product design stolen but not against independent discovery.
Patent law seems to be extremely convoluted although it still not as bad as copyright law.
On 2/21/2022 3:38 PM, Francesco Ledda via groups.io wrote:
No, you cannot apply for a patent if the invention has already been publicly disclosed. Public disclosure includes going to mass manufacturing.
The patent checklist a Rockwell International and Northern Telecom included items such a date first customer trial. That date was used by the attorneys to figure out when they needed to apply for a patent.
I have 4 patents, and a key condition for the application was any possible disclosure and that included manufacturing. The application date is key, as the actual award date is not important. Many patents take years to be awarded.
Regarding big companies, new possible patentable ideas were presented to patent committees. Patent committees accepted and rejected ideas and graded them. Once the grading was done, the decision went to the executives that matched funding available for patents with business needs.
Best, Francesco K5URG
*From:* [email protected] <[email protected]> *On Behalf Of *Steve - Home
*Sent:* Monday, February 21, 2022 5:14 PM
*To:* [email protected]
*Subject:* Re: [HP-Agilent-Keysight-equipment] How to find patents for HP equipment
?Not at all, you can go into production at any time. But you do risk “spilling the beans” before the patent protection kicks in. Lots of devices out there with “patent pending” stamped on them. I always figured that was grist for patent poachers and idea thieves.
Steve
On Feb 21, 2022, at 4:59 PM, Francesco Ledda via groups.io
<k5urg@...> wrote:
?I believe that a patent must be filed before the product
hits the market!
On Feb 21, 2022, at 16:48, saipan59 (Pete)
<saipan1959@...> wrote:
?Don't know if it helps, but can you search against
Grant Date, rather than Filing Date? My thinking is
that Grant is almost certainly going to be after
product release, so maybe it's a narrower range. During
development, there is often little time to do the
patent stuff. But closer to Release time, the designers
(may) be less busy, the design details are firm, and
they can think about patentable stuff. I could be wrong...
Trivia: My career was with DEC, then with HP and HPE.
DEC was "stingy" about spending money for patents. In
the late 80's I submitted a Disclosure as an employee
of Manufacturing. DEC said basically "good idea, but in
Manufacturing we can just keep it a secret, so no need
for a patent."
But HP was very generous with patents. Simply
submitting the disclosure paperwork paid the employee
$100. If the patent was actually granted, they paid
another $1000. I got two in my career (8184982 and
8648568) - the second one took 4 years until it was
granted (but it was submitted first).
Pete
--
Prof. Thomas H. Lee
Allen Ctr., Rm. 205
350 Jane Stanford Way
Stanford University
Stanford, CA 94305-4070
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Re: WTD: Filter capacitors for 8662A PSU
One thing to watch out for with modern replacements is the ripple current rating - one benefit of the large Compulytics was that they could dissipate more power. Modern replacements may have a lower ESR which can mitigate this, but it is something that needs to be taken into account. The large screws used to mount the capacitors to the board also served as a path to dissipate any generated heat.? Of course the equipment -especially with HP- was not only typically engineered with a large margin for error, but also designed to be operated 24/7 in server racks with a much higher ambient temperature which eases the requirements on modern replacements .
somewhat.
Hal
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Re: How to find patents for HP equipment
Hi Pete:
There are a number of ways.
In general there are two search engines.? The USPTO and Google.
The good news is that Google has used Optical Character Recognition
(OCR) and so you can search all of their data base for any word
anywhere.
The bad news is that Google has used Optical Character Recognition
which has many mistakes, so there are odds associated with any
search.
- this is the basic patent number search and for United States
patent number the first two characters need to be US.
At the bottom of that page there's a link to the Advanced Search
where you have a lot more options.
The Google patent result pages can be trimmed back so that they end
with the patent number, a very convenient situation.
The USPTO has a number of web pages for searching.? But they use
.tif format for the patents, i.e. no OCR and the searches can only
be done on the fields they have digitized.
This is the patent number search (good for getting class numbers):
This is the Quick search:?
Notice the select years drop down box.? When you select 1976 to
present there are many more fields available to search.
When 1790 to present there are fewer fields available.? There was a
patent office fire in 1836 so some patents are no longer available.
The URL for a search result is not permanent nor is the result of a
patent number search.
ALL patents are issued on a Tuesday.? So? you can check? a patent
date using a Calendar to confirm the patent is on a Tuesday.? If the
date is not on a Tuesday there's a typo.
My web pages are filled with patents on all kinds of things
including HP instruments.? Here's an old list:
And a general discussion:
I used to visit the Sunnyvale, California patent office and it turns
out they are the only one where the patents are filed by
Class/Sub-class numbers.? NOT in patent number order.
This allows for easy searching once you know the class numbers for
the general area.
If you let me know more specifics I may be able to help.
--
Have Fun,
Brooke Clarke, N6GCE
axioms:
1. The extent to which you can fix or improve something will be limited by how well you understand how it works.
2. Everybody, with no exceptions, holds false beliefs.
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Re: How to find patents for HP equipment
A classic example of trade secret protection is the formula for Coke. Patents expire, but trade secret protection lasts as long as the secret can be kept.
Tom
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On 2/21/2022 4:45 PM, Richard Knoppow wrote: To be clear, once an application has been made there is considerable protection until the patent is issued. As someone mentioned there are lots of patent applied for notices on manufactured items.
Also, Some companies relied more on trade secret protection. Eastman Kodak did this for many years because there is no time limit on it. They began to rely more on patents when the rate of discovery of new products became rapid enough for a patent to last through the market life. A trade secret can protect one against having a product design stolen but not against independent discovery.
Patent law seems to be extremely convoluted although it still not as bad as copyright law.
On 2/21/2022 3:38 PM, Francesco Ledda via groups.io wrote:
No, you cannot apply for a patent if the invention has already been publicly disclosed. Public disclosure includes going to mass manufacturing.
The patent checklist a Rockwell International and Northern Telecom included items such a date first customer trial. That date was used by the attorneys to figure out when they needed to apply for a patent.
I have 4 patents, and a key condition for the application was any possible disclosure and that included manufacturing. The application date is key, as the actual award date is not important. Many patents take years to be awarded.
Regarding big companies, new possible patentable ideas were presented to patent committees. Patent committees accepted and rejected ideas and graded them. Once the grading was done, the decision went to the executives that matched funding available for patents with business needs.
Best, Francesco K5URG
*From:* [email protected] <[email protected]> *On Behalf Of *Steve - Home
*Sent:* Monday, February 21, 2022 5:14 PM
*To:* [email protected]
*Subject:* Re: [HP-Agilent-Keysight-equipment] How to find patents for HP equipment
?Not at all, you can go into production at any time. But you do risk “spilling the beans” before the patent protection kicks in. Lots of devices out there with “patent pending” stamped on them. I always figured that was grist for patent poachers and idea thieves.
Steve
On Feb 21, 2022, at 4:59 PM, Francesco Ledda via groups.io
<k5urg@...> wrote:
?I believe that a patent must be filed before the product
hits the market!
On Feb 21, 2022, at 16:48, saipan59 (Pete)
<saipan1959@...> wrote:
?Don't know if it helps, but can you search against
Grant Date, rather than Filing Date? My thinking is
that Grant is almost certainly going to be after
product release, so maybe it's a narrower range. During
development, there is often little time to do the
patent stuff. But closer to Release time, the designers
(may) be less busy, the design details are firm, and
they can think about patentable stuff. I could be wrong...
Trivia: My career was with DEC, then with HP and HPE.
DEC was "stingy" about spending money for patents. In
the late 80's I submitted a Disclosure as an employee
of Manufacturing. DEC said basically "good idea, but in
Manufacturing we can just keep it a secret, so no need
for a patent."
But HP was very generous with patents. Simply
submitting the disclosure paperwork paid the employee
$100. If the patent was actually granted, they paid
another $1000. I got two in my career (8184982 and
8648568) - the second one took 4 years until it was
granted (but it was submitted first).
Pete
--
Prof. Thomas H. Lee
Allen Ctr., Rm. 205
350 Jane Stanford Way
Stanford University
Stanford, CA 94305-4070
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Re: HP-8753E Options Activated
Yes I threw S400 SW8 - I was never able to get the load to work. In both CPU’s with License Activation Keys it would report “56 OPT COR FAIL” when attempting to load it.?
Trust me, if there were a way not to remove the EEPROM’s I would have done it. It was after multiple attempts with two CPU’s with the License Key for each Serial Number I opted to edit the Binaries of the EEPROM.?
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On Feb 21, 2022, at 6:52 PM, Lothar baier <Lothar@...> wrote:
?
Hmmm have you unprotected the EEPROM ?? the E has the new flash based CPU board there is a little switch on the board that you have to toggle to remove the write protect.
I have fixed and upgraded well over 100 8753 and 8720 VNA when I was working at tucker and I don’t recall any instance when the option codes did not work
?
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?
?
I did not see any reference to the 8753E Series on Yahoo Groups. ?I did see some reference to the earlier versions to include those provided by Marcus.?
With regards to the Option Codes, I did get options code for both CPU’s from Cesar. Both of them would not take these codes. This issue still puzzles me. I could understand a hardware fault for one not taking it, but two makes me thing
some of the units were locked down somehow.?
Rich
On Feb 21, 2022, at 3:55 PM, Lothar baier <Lothar@...> wrote:
?
Now obviously agilent released the option codes , there is a guy who provides you with the option codes , all you need to provide is the serial#
?
?
Sent from for Windows
?
?
So where is the data you made public ??
Cheers
Bruce
Quoting Lothar baier <Lothar@...>:
> I figured this stuff out years ago on the 87xx as well as the?
> options on the 8360 and made it public, it cost me my job and I?
> nearly avoided a lawsuit from Agilent
?
> On Feb 21, 2022, at 13:26, Rich Miller via groups.io?
> <av8torrich@...> wrote:
>
> ? Hopefully someone can make use of this information. I found that?
> OPT 11 was involved by using 01 at that address. I also found that?
> using 01 addresses before the serial number would activate OPT10. I?
> did not get wise to the Fx Codes until Joe pointed them out to me.
>
> No worries about the flux, there is none left in the area. I used?
> lots of UltraSolve to clean the past flux I Utilize. This particular?
> flux is supposed to be safe if left, but I clean it anyways.
>
> On Feb 21, 2022, at 10:20 AM, Lothar@... wrote:
>
> ?The systematic is the same on pretty much all HP 8752/53/19/20/22?
> analyzers, you find the serial number and the 3 Fx codes are setting?
> the options!
> one word of caution though on the 8753E/ES CPU board, when removing?
> and resoldering the SMT eeprom
>? you need to clean up all flux residue throughly or you can get issues
>
>
>
>
?
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Re: How to find patents for HP equipment
To be clear, once an application has been made there is considerable protection until the patent is issued. As someone mentioned there are lots of patent applied for notices on manufactured items.
?? Also, Some companies relied more on trade secret protection. Eastman Kodak did this for many years because there is no time limit on it. They began to rely more on patents when the rate of discovery of new products became rapid enough for a patent to last through the market life. A trade secret can protect one against having a product design stolen but not against independent discovery.
?? Patent law seems to be extremely convoluted although it still not as bad as copyright law.
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On 2/21/2022 3:38 PM, Francesco Ledda via groups.io wrote:
No, you cannot apply for a patent if the invention has already been publicly disclosed. Public disclosure includes going to mass manufacturing.
The patent checklist a Rockwell International and Northern Telecom included items such a date first customer trial.? That date was used by the attorneys to figure out when they needed to apply for a patent.
I have 4 patents, and a key condition for the application was any possible disclosure and that included manufacturing.? The application date is key, as the actual award date is not important. Many patents take years to be awarded.
Regarding big companies, new possible patentable ideas were presented to patent committees. ?Patent committees accepted and rejected ideas and graded them. ?Once the grading was done, the decision went to the executives ?that matched funding available for patents with business needs.
Best, Francesco K5URG
*From:* [email protected] <[email protected]> *On Behalf Of *Steve - Home
*Sent:* Monday, February 21, 2022 5:14 PM
*To:* [email protected]
*Subject:* Re: [HP-Agilent-Keysight-equipment] How to find patents for HP equipment
?Not at all, you can go into production at any time. But you do risk “spilling the beans” before the patent protection kicks in. Lots of devices out there with “patent pending” stamped on them. I always figured that was grist for patent poachers and idea thieves.
Steve
On Feb 21, 2022, at 4:59 PM, Francesco Ledda via groups.io
<k5urg@...> wrote:
?I believe that a patent must be filed before the product
hits the market!
On Feb 21, 2022, at 16:48, saipan59 (Pete)
<saipan1959@...> wrote:
?Don't know if it helps, but can you search against
Grant Date, rather than Filing Date? My thinking is
that Grant is almost certainly going to be after
product release, so maybe it's a narrower range. During
development, there is often little time to do the
patent stuff. But closer to Release time, the designers
(may) be less busy, the design details are firm, and
they can think about patentable stuff. I could be wrong...
Trivia: My career was with DEC, then with HP and HPE.
DEC was "stingy" about spending money for patents. In
the late 80's I submitted a Disclosure as an employee
of Manufacturing. DEC said basically "good idea, but in
Manufacturing we can just keep it a secret, so no need
for a patent."
But HP was very generous with patents. Simply
submitting the disclosure paperwork paid the employee
$100. If the patent was actually granted, they paid
another $1000. I got two in my career (8184982 and
8648568) - the second one took 4 years until it was
granted (but it was submitted first).
Pete
--
Richard Knoppow
dickburk@...
WB6KBL
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Re: How to find patents for HP equipment
In all reality china and foreign students have changed the game quite a bit , ?back in the days Development was done in the US , most if not all of the design engineers were US Citizens or hailed from “friendly” countries ( we had folks
from great Britain and then later on at nokia we had a few from finland )? , the prototyping or pre-production was done in the US or in the case of nokia finland and production was done in the US ,? now you have foreign especially Chinese folks embedded in
r+d departments and production is done in china , good luck trying to hold china or Chinese nationals accountable for patent violations
?
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From: Steve - Home via groups.io
Sent: Monday, February 21, 2022 5:50 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [HP-Agilent-Keysight-equipment] How to find patents for HP equipment
?
I think you missed the point. There are many products already on the shelves of resellers with the “patent pending” mark on them. You don’t have to have a patent to put a product into production. That is a self-imposed
requirement to protect intellectual property and keep patent attorneys employed. And a smart move I should add. Granted, you probably won’t see a Keysight product with a “patent pending” mark, or anything with big money intellectual property involved, but
have a look around, they’re out there.?
On Feb 21, 2022, at 5:38 PM, Francesco Ledda via groups.io <k5urg@...> wrote:
?
No,
you cannot apply for a patent if the invention has already been publicly disclosed. Public disclosure includes going to mass manufacturing.
The patent checklist a Rockwell International and Northern Telecom included items such a date first customer trial.?
That date was used by the attorneys to figure out when they needed to apply for a patent.
?
I have 4 patents, and a key condition for the application was any possible disclosure and that included manufacturing.?
The application date is key, as the actual award date is not important.? Many patents take years to be awarded.
?
Regarding big companies, new possible patentable ideas were presented to patent committees. ?Patent committees accepted
and rejected ideas and graded them. ?Once the grading was done, the decision went to the executives ?that matched funding available for patents with business needs.
?
Best, Francesco K5URG
?
?
?
?Not at all, you can go into production at any time. But you do risk “spilling the beans” before the patent protection kicks in. Lots of devices out there with “patent pending” stamped on them. I always figured
that was grist for patent poachers and idea thieves.?
On Feb 21, 2022, at 4:59 PM, Francesco Ledda via groups.io <k5urg@...> wrote:
?I believe that a patent must be filed before the product hits the market!
?Don't know if it helps, but can you search against Grant Date, rather than Filing Date? My thinking is that Grant is almost certainly going to be after product release, so maybe it's a narrower range. During development, there is often
little time to do the patent stuff. But closer to Release time, the designers (may) be less busy, the design details are firm, and they can think about patentable stuff. I could be wrong...
Trivia: My career was with DEC, then with HP and HPE. DEC was "stingy" about spending money for patents. In the late 80's I submitted a Disclosure as an employee of Manufacturing. DEC said basically "good idea, but in Manufacturing we can just keep it a secret,
so no need for a patent."
But HP was very generous with patents. Simply submitting the disclosure paperwork paid the employee $100. If the patent was actually granted, they paid another $1000. I got two in my career (8184982 and 8648568) - the second one took 4 years until it was granted
(but it was submitted first).
Pete
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Re: HP65 software and memory strips?
On 2022-02-20 01:33 PM, Tony wrote: I had to do some research but realised it contains a big collection of HP65 calculator programmable strips and some HP software pacs. See attached pics.
I was wondering if these strips are still readable after many years? I have an HP67 that I think can read those. I have wanted for some time to restore the card reader by replacing the rubber parts. No time right now, but if you get no takers to save those, I would be interested. Email me off-list to discuss if you like at SteveHx@.... Steve Hendrix
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Re: How to find patents for HP equipment
I did not say that the patent must be awarded before production! ? I said that a patent application must be SUBMITED BEFORE disclosure or production. ?Once the item hits production, the patent office will reject the application! ? Best, Francesco K5URG ? ? ?
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From: [email protected] < [email protected]> On Behalf Of Steve - Home Sent: Monday, February 21, 2022 5:51 PM To: [email protected]Subject: Re: [HP-Agilent-Keysight-equipment] How to find patents for HP equipment ? I think you missed the point. There are many products already on the shelves of resellers with the “patent pending” mark on them. You don’t have to have a patent to put a product into production. That is a self-imposed requirement to protect intellectual property and keep patent attorneys employed. And a smart move I should add. Granted, you probably won’t see a Keysight product with a “patent pending” mark, or anything with big money intellectual property involved, but have a look around, they’re out there.?
On Feb 21, 2022, at 5:38 PM, Francesco Ledda via groups.io <k5urg@...> wrote:
? No, you cannot apply for a patent if the invention has already been publicly disclosed. Public disclosure includes going to mass manufacturing. The patent checklist a Rockwell International and Northern Telecom included items such a date first customer trial.? That date was used by the attorneys to figure out when they needed to apply for a patent. ? I have 4 patents, and a key condition for the application was any possible disclosure and that included manufacturing.? The application date is key, as the actual award date is not important.? Many patents take years to be awarded. ? Regarding big companies, new possible patentable ideas were presented to patent committees. ?Patent committees accepted and rejected ideas and graded them. ?Once the grading was done, the decision went to the executives ?that matched funding available for patents with business needs. ? Best, Francesco K5URG ? ? ? ?Not at all, you can go into production at any time. But you do risk “spilling the beans” before the patent protection kicks in. Lots of devices out there with “patent pending” stamped on them. I always figured that was grist for patent poachers and idea thieves.?
On Feb 21, 2022, at 4:59 PM, Francesco Ledda via groups.io <k5urg@...> wrote:
?I believe that a patent must be filed before the product hits the market! ?Don't know if it helps, but can you search against Grant Date, rather than Filing Date? My thinking is that Grant is almost certainly going to be after product release, so maybe it's a narrower range. During development, there is often little time to do the patent stuff. But closer to Release time, the designers (may) be less busy, the design details are firm, and they can think about patentable stuff. I could be wrong...
Trivia: My career was with DEC, then with HP and HPE. DEC was "stingy" about spending money for patents. In the late 80's I submitted a Disclosure as an employee of Manufacturing. DEC said basically "good idea, but in Manufacturing we can just keep it a secret, so no need for a patent."
But HP was very generous with patents. Simply submitting the disclosure paperwork paid the employee $100. If the patent was actually granted, they paid another $1000. I got two in my career (8184982 and 8648568) - the second one took 4 years until it was granted (but it was submitted first).
Pete
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Re: HP-8753E Options Activated
Hmmm have you unprotected the EEPROM ?? the E has the new flash based CPU board there is a little switch on the board that you have to toggle to remove the write protect.
I have fixed and upgraded well over 100 8753 and 8720 VNA when I was working at tucker and I don’t recall any instance when the option codes did not work
?
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?
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From: Rich Miller via groups.io
Sent: Monday, February 21, 2022 5:41 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [HP-Agilent-Keysight-equipment] HP-8753E Options Activated
?
I did not see any reference to the 8753E Series on Yahoo Groups. ?I did see some reference to the earlier versions to include those provided by Marcus.?
With regards to the Option Codes, I did get options code for both CPU’s from Cesar. Both of them would not take these codes. This issue still puzzles me. I could understand a hardware fault for one not taking it, but two makes me thing
some of the units were locked down somehow.?
Rich
On Feb 21, 2022, at 3:55 PM, Lothar baier <Lothar@...> wrote:
?
Now obviously agilent released the option codes , there is a guy who provides you with the option codes , all you need to provide is the serial#
?
?
Sent from for Windows
?
?
So where is the data you made public ??
Cheers
Bruce
Quoting Lothar baier <Lothar@...>:
> I figured this stuff out years ago on the 87xx as well as the?
> options on the 8360 and made it public, it cost me my job and I?
> nearly avoided a lawsuit from Agilent
?
> On Feb 21, 2022, at 13:26, Rich Miller via groups.io?
> <av8torrich@...> wrote:
>
> ? Hopefully someone can make use of this information. I found that?
> OPT 11 was involved by using 01 at that address. I also found that?
> using 01 addresses before the serial number would activate OPT10. I?
> did not get wise to the Fx Codes until Joe pointed them out to me.
>
> No worries about the flux, there is none left in the area. I used?
> lots of UltraSolve to clean the past flux I Utilize. This particular?
> flux is supposed to be safe if left, but I clean it anyways.
>
> On Feb 21, 2022, at 10:20 AM, Lothar@... wrote:
>
> ?The systematic is the same on pretty much all HP 8752/53/19/20/22?
> analyzers, you find the serial number and the 3 Fx codes are setting?
> the options!
> one word of caution though on the 8753E/ES CPU board, when removing?
> and resoldering the SMT eeprom
>? you need to clean up all flux residue throughly or you can get issues
>
>
>
>
?
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Re: How to find patents for HP equipment
I think you missed the point. There are many products already on the shelves of resellers with the “patent pending” mark on them. You don’t have to have a patent to put a product into production. That is a self-imposed requirement to protect intellectual property and keep patent attorneys employed. And a smart move I should add. Granted, you probably won’t see a Keysight product with a “patent pending” mark, or anything with big money intellectual property involved, but have a look around, they’re out there.?
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On Feb 21, 2022, at 5:38 PM, Francesco Ledda via groups.io <k5urg@...> wrote:
? No, you cannot apply for a patent if the invention has already been publicly disclosed. Public disclosure includes going to mass manufacturing. The patent checklist a Rockwell International and Northern Telecom included items such a date first customer trial.? That date was used by the attorneys to figure out when they needed to apply for a patent. ? I have 4 patents, and a key condition for the application was any possible disclosure and that included manufacturing.? The application date is key, as the actual award date is not important.? Many patents take years to be awarded. ? Regarding big companies, new possible patentable ideas were presented to patent committees. ?Patent committees accepted and rejected ideas and graded them. ?Once the grading was done, the decision went to the executives ?that matched funding available for patents with business needs. ? Best, Francesco K5URG ? ? ? ?Not at all, you can go into production at any time. But you do risk “spilling the beans” before the patent protection kicks in. Lots of devices out there with “patent pending” stamped on them. I always figured that was grist for patent poachers and idea thieves.?
On Feb 21, 2022, at 4:59 PM, Francesco Ledda via groups.io <k5urg@...> wrote:
?I believe that a patent must be filed before the product hits the market! ?Don't know if it helps, but can you search against Grant Date, rather than Filing Date? My thinking is that Grant is almost certainly going to be after product release, so maybe it's a narrower range. During development, there is often little time to do the patent stuff. But closer to Release time, the designers (may) be less busy, the design details are firm, and they can think about patentable stuff. I could be wrong...
Trivia: My career was with DEC, then with HP and HPE. DEC was "stingy" about spending money for patents. In the late 80's I submitted a Disclosure as an employee of Manufacturing. DEC said basically "good idea, but in Manufacturing we can just keep it a secret, so no need for a patent."
But HP was very generous with patents. Simply submitting the disclosure paperwork paid the employee $100. If the patent was actually granted, they paid another $1000. I got two in my career (8184982 and 8648568) - the second one took 4 years until it was granted (but it was submitted first).
Pete
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Re: HP-8753E Options Activated
I did not see any reference to the 8753E Series on Yahoo Groups. ?I did see some reference to the earlier versions to include those provided by Marcus.?
With regards to the Option Codes, I did get options code for both CPU’s from Cesar. Both of them would not take these codes. This issue still puzzles me. I could understand a hardware fault for one not taking it, but two makes me thing some of the units were locked down somehow.?
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On Feb 21, 2022, at 3:55 PM, Lothar baier <Lothar@...> wrote:
?
Now obviously agilent released the option codes , there is a guy who provides you with the option codes , all you need to provide is the serial#
?
?
Sent from for Windows
?
?
So where is the data you made public ??
Cheers
Bruce
Quoting Lothar baier <Lothar@...>:
> I figured this stuff out years ago on the 87xx as well as the?
> options on the 8360 and made it public, it cost me my job and I?
> nearly avoided a lawsuit from Agilent
?
> On Feb 21, 2022, at 13:26, Rich Miller via groups.io?
> <av8torrich@...> wrote:
>
> ? Hopefully someone can make use of this information. I found that?
> OPT 11 was involved by using 01 at that address. I also found that?
> using 01 addresses before the serial number would activate OPT10. I?
> did not get wise to the Fx Codes until Joe pointed them out to me.
>
> No worries about the flux, there is none left in the area. I used?
> lots of UltraSolve to clean the past flux I Utilize. This particular?
> flux is supposed to be safe if left, but I clean it anyways.
>
> On Feb 21, 2022, at 10:20 AM, Lothar@... wrote:
>
> ?The systematic is the same on pretty much all HP 8752/53/19/20/22?
> analyzers, you find the serial number and the 3 Fx codes are setting?
> the options!
> one word of caution though on the 8753E/ES CPU board, when removing?
> and resoldering the SMT eeprom
>? you need to clean up all flux residue throughly or you can get issues
>
>
>
>
?
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Re: How to find patents for HP equipment
No, you cannot apply for a patent if the invention has already been publicly disclosed. Public disclosure includes going to mass manufacturing. The patent checklist a Rockwell International and Northern Telecom included items such a date first customer trial.? That date was used by the attorneys to figure out when they needed to apply for a patent. ? I have 4 patents, and a key condition for the application was any possible disclosure and that included manufacturing.? The application date is key, as the actual award date is not important.? Many patents take years to be awarded. ? Regarding big companies, new possible patentable ideas were presented to patent committees. ?Patent committees accepted and rejected ideas and graded them. ?Once the grading was done, the decision went to the executives ?that matched funding available for patents with business needs. ? Best, Francesco K5URG ? ?
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From: [email protected] < [email protected]> On Behalf Of Steve - Home Sent: Monday, February 21, 2022 5:14 PM To: [email protected]Subject: Re: [HP-Agilent-Keysight-equipment] How to find patents for HP equipment ? ?Not at all, you can go into production at any time. But you do risk “spilling the beans” before the patent protection kicks in. Lots of devices out there with “patent pending” stamped on them. I always figured that was grist for patent poachers and idea thieves.?
On Feb 21, 2022, at 4:59 PM, Francesco Ledda via groups.io <k5urg@...> wrote:
?I believe that a patent must be filed before the product hits the market! ?Don't know if it helps, but can you search against Grant Date, rather than Filing Date? My thinking is that Grant is almost certainly going to be after product release, so maybe it's a narrower range. During development, there is often little time to do the patent stuff. But closer to Release time, the designers (may) be less busy, the design details are firm, and they can think about patentable stuff. I could be wrong...
Trivia: My career was with DEC, then with HP and HPE. DEC was "stingy" about spending money for patents. In the late 80's I submitted a Disclosure as an employee of Manufacturing. DEC said basically "good idea, but in Manufacturing we can just keep it a secret, so no need for a patent."
But HP was very generous with patents. Simply submitting the disclosure paperwork paid the employee $100. If the patent was actually granted, they paid another $1000. I got two in my career (8184982 and 8648568) - the second one took 4 years until it was granted (but it was submitted first).
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Re: How to find patents for HP equipment
? Not at all, you can go into production at any time. But you do risk “spilling the beans” before the patent protection kicks in. Lots of devices out there with “patent pending” stamped on them. I always figured that was grist for patent poachers and idea thieves.?
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On Feb 21, 2022, at 4:59 PM, Francesco Ledda via groups.io <k5urg@...> wrote:
? I believe that a patent must be filed before the product hits the market! On Feb 21, 2022, at 16:48, saipan59 (Pete) <saipan1959@...> wrote:
?Don't know if it helps, but can you search against Grant Date, rather than Filing Date? My thinking is that Grant is almost certainly going to be after product release, so maybe it's a narrower range. During development, there is often little time to do the patent stuff. But closer to Release time, the designers (may) be less busy, the design details are firm, and they can think about patentable stuff. I could be wrong...
Trivia: My career was with DEC, then with HP and HPE. DEC was "stingy" about spending money for patents. In the late 80's I submitted a Disclosure as an employee of Manufacturing. DEC said basically "good idea, but in Manufacturing we can just keep it a secret, so no need for a patent."
But HP was very generous with patents. Simply submitting the disclosure paperwork paid the employee $100. If the patent was actually granted, they paid another $1000. I got two in my career (8184982 and 8648568) - the second one took 4 years until it was granted (but it was submitted first).
Pete
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Re: How to find patents for HP equipment
Having worked as a design engineer I can tell you a little bit about how the process worked at least at the company I worked at , usually it’s the design engineer who files what is called a patent disclosure ,? this contains normally a
outline of the idea , drawings and a brief explanation , this info goes to the legal department where it is examined by a patent lawyer for merit , if the legal folks say that the idea has merit than they draft a formal patent application and during the process
request sometimes additional information from the engineer who wrote the initial disclosure and then file the application with the USPTO , this is usually done early in the design process so the provisional patent usually is issued long before the design goes
into pre-production or released for final production
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Subject: Re: [HP-Agilent-Keysight-equipment] How to find patents for HP equipment
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Don't know if it helps, but can you search against Grant Date, rather than Filing Date? My thinking is that Grant is almost certainly going to be after product release, so maybe it's a narrower range. During development, there is often
little time to do the patent stuff. But closer to Release time, the designers (may) be less busy, the design details are firm, and they can think about patentable stuff. I could be wrong...
Trivia: My career was with DEC, then with HP and HPE. DEC was "stingy" about spending money for patents. In the late 80's I submitted a Disclosure as an employee of Manufacturing. DEC said basically "good idea, but in Manufacturing we can just keep it a secret,
so no need for a patent."
But HP was very generous with patents. Simply submitting the disclosure paperwork paid the employee $100. If the patent was actually granted, they paid another $1000. I got two in my career (8184982 and 8648568) - the second one took 4 years until it was granted
(but it was submitted first).
Pete
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Re: How to find patents for HP equipment
I believe that a patent must be filed before the product hits the market!
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On Feb 21, 2022, at 16:48, saipan59 (Pete) <saipan1959@...> wrote:
?Don't know if it helps, but can you search against Grant Date, rather than Filing Date? My thinking is that Grant is almost certainly going to be after product release, so maybe it's a narrower range. During development, there is often little time to do the patent stuff. But closer to Release time, the designers (may) be less busy, the design details are firm, and they can think about patentable stuff. I could be wrong...
Trivia: My career was with DEC, then with HP and HPE. DEC was "stingy" about spending money for patents. In the late 80's I submitted a Disclosure as an employee of Manufacturing. DEC said basically "good idea, but in Manufacturing we can just keep it a secret, so no need for a patent."
But HP was very generous with patents. Simply submitting the disclosure paperwork paid the employee $100. If the patent was actually granted, they paid another $1000. I got two in my career (8184982 and 8648568) - the second one took 4 years until it was granted (but it was submitted first).
Pete
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Re: How to find patents for HP equipment
Don't know if it helps, but can you search against Grant Date, rather than Filing Date? My thinking is that Grant is almost certainly going to be after product release, so maybe it's a narrower range. During development, there is often little time to do the patent stuff. But closer to Release time, the designers (may) be less busy, the design details are firm, and they can think about patentable stuff. I could be wrong...
Trivia: My career was with DEC, then with HP and HPE. DEC was "stingy" about spending money for patents. In the late 80's I submitted a Disclosure as an employee of Manufacturing. DEC said basically "good idea, but in Manufacturing we can just keep it a secret, so no need for a patent."
But HP was very generous with patents. Simply submitting the disclosure paperwork paid the employee $100. If the patent was actually granted, they paid another $1000. I got two in my career (8184982 and 8648568) - the second one took 4 years until it was granted (but it was submitted first).
Pete
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RPG 5060-9444 (conversion LAMP to LED)
Hi, just a story about HP/Agilent 5060-9444 5 VDC Rotary Pulse Generator RPG +, replace LAMP by LED. ? ? I had the opportunity to get an 8350B with an 83595A (0.01-26.5GHz). This device had to be stored for a few years. In short, I had to partially disassemble it to remove dust and some traces of corrosion. I changed the battery of course and fixed several problems like the front panel which was partially working. I had to do a complete alignment, now everything is OK. The 83595A seemed to be in better shape, but the RPG was not working. I removed it from the module and opened it up...after examining the circuit, it was easy to see that the lamp was burned out. I studied the module and how it worked, so I tried a repair by replacing the lamp with an LED. ? I found that this little module was quite ingenious. All the parts are on the top of the PCB and underneath 2 photo detectors in a dark room, where there are two plastic sheets in the shape of a circle, a hole followed by another one on top translucent. A small metal piece bent at 45 degrees, serves as a support for the lamp but also as a reflector to direct the light through two tunnels to the photo detectors. The two tunnels have screws allowing them to partially obstruct the light, allowing the two circuits to be balanced. If the light intensity is sufficient, this will trigger the gate 7413 (Schmitt Trigger). When the light levels are balanced by the screws, the duration of the pulses, for a constant speed, should be approximately the same. ? Using an LED recovered from a defective LED bulb, which was the perfect size to fit and fill the rectangular area where the bulb was located, I was able to determine the LED current for minimum operation of the RPG. The currents were 7mA for one side, and 11 mA for the other. I tested up to 30 mA for proper operation. I reduced it to 20mA, found the resistance needed for this current in the LED at 5V. The LED dropped 2.721V. I balanced the circuit with the screws and closed everything. Now the RPG of my 83595A works correctly. I will just have to make the necessary alignments for optimal operation. ? ? -Yves
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Re: HP-8753E Options Activated
Now obviously agilent released the option codes , there is a guy who provides you with the option codes , all you need to provide is the serial#
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From: Bruce via groups.io
Sent: Monday, February 21, 2022 2:26 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [HP-Agilent-Keysight-equipment] HP-8753E Options Activated
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So where is the data you made public ??
Cheers
Bruce
Quoting Lothar baier <Lothar@...>:
> I figured this stuff out years ago on the 87xx as well as the?
> options on the 8360 and made it public, it cost me my job and I?
> nearly avoided a lawsuit from Agilent
?
> On Feb 21, 2022, at 13:26, Rich Miller via groups.io?
> <av8torrich@...> wrote:
>
> ? Hopefully someone can make use of this information. I found that?
> OPT 11 was involved by using 01 at that address. I also found that?
> using 01 addresses before the serial number would activate OPT10. I?
> did not get wise to the Fx Codes until Joe pointed them out to me.
>
> No worries about the flux, there is none left in the area. I used?
> lots of UltraSolve to clean the past flux I Utilize. This particular?
> flux is supposed to be safe if left, but I clean it anyways.
>
> On Feb 21, 2022, at 10:20 AM, Lothar@... wrote:
>
> ?The systematic is the same on pretty much all HP 8752/53/19/20/22?
> analyzers, you find the serial number and the 3 Fx codes are setting?
> the options!
> one word of caution though on the 8753E/ES CPU board, when removing?
> and resoldering the SMT eeprom
>? you need to clean up all flux residue throughly or you can get issues
>
>
>
>
?
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Re: HP-8753E Options Activated
It was put on the yahoo groups back in 2001
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From: Bruce via groups.io
Sent: Monday, February 21, 2022 2:26 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [HP-Agilent-Keysight-equipment] HP-8753E Options Activated
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So where is the data you made public ??
Cheers
Bruce
Quoting Lothar baier <Lothar@...>:
> I figured this stuff out years ago on the 87xx as well as the?
> options on the 8360 and made it public, it cost me my job and I?
> nearly avoided a lawsuit from Agilent
?
> On Feb 21, 2022, at 13:26, Rich Miller via groups.io?
> <av8torrich@...> wrote:
>
> ? Hopefully someone can make use of this information. I found that?
> OPT 11 was involved by using 01 at that address. I also found that?
> using 01 addresses before the serial number would activate OPT10. I?
> did not get wise to the Fx Codes until Joe pointed them out to me.
>
> No worries about the flux, there is none left in the area. I used?
> lots of UltraSolve to clean the past flux I Utilize. This particular?
> flux is supposed to be safe if left, but I clean it anyways.
>
> On Feb 21, 2022, at 10:20 AM, Lothar@... wrote:
>
> ?The systematic is the same on pretty much all HP 8752/53/19/20/22?
> analyzers, you find the serial number and the 3 Fx codes are setting?
> the options!
> one word of caution though on the 8753E/ES CPU board, when removing?
> and resoldering the SMT eeprom
>? you need to clean up all flux residue throughly or you can get issues
>
>
>
>
?
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Harold Foster
saipan59 (Pete)
