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Re: HP detector

 

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Hi Strange the 1998 catalogue dues not have the 8471? and the 2000 catalogue only has the 8471D

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BUT the 1986 catalogue? held on this site the Catalogues section ?has the 8471A on pg 564

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Paul B

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From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Radu Bogdan Dicher
Sent: 04 February 2022 17:39
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [HP-Agilent-Keysight-equipment] HP detector

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Hans - I've not been able to track down a datasheet or catalog page for the? HP 8471A. The Keysight website is typically very good at having manuals, catalogs, datasheets, etc. for?vintage HP or Agilent equipment, but for this particular one - and it's the first?time I see a broken link on that website - points to catalog pages that are missing this component. The linked catalog goes to? HP 8471D, E etc.?

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Greg - it doesn't have to be HP; it's just I've been told the HP is the gold standard on detectors. Which seems to be reflected in price... But really all I need is good linearity. I have a couple of detectors currently - a vintage "Telonic" that doesn't seem to be worth anything, and a AD8307 active one that's pretty good but I still don't have a solid certainty of its linearity or even suitability. So, if another brand is known to be good (linear and reliable) but less glittery than HP and therefore can be had for less, I'd be interested in hearing about that.?

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For instance, Wavetek has a detector which may fit the bill (D-152), but I haven't seen one for sale anywhere currently.?

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Thank you,

Radu.?

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On Fri, Feb 4, 2022 at 8:44 AM Greg Muir via <big_sky_explorer=[email protected]> wrote:

Does it have to be HP?? For the frequency range that you are dealing with HP detectors seem to be a little overkill.? There are plenty of other manufacturers whose offerings would fit your needs at a much lower price especially if found on that auction site.? And many of them offer frequency ranges up to 10 GHz or more.

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I have even found detectors installed on RF transmission line directional couplers from old broadcast transmitters that were heading for the scrap yard, were of major manufacture and swept out to 8 GHz.? The price was free.

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Greg
Re: HP 11664A Detector - DIY equivalent?

 

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Can only see info re home built 11664C in photos section- perhaps I¡¯m blind¡­.?

DaveB, NZ

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From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Paul Bicknell
Sent: Saturday, February 05, 2022 09:42
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [HP-Agilent-Keysight-equipment] HP 11664A Detector - DIY equivalent?

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Hi look in the ?photos on this site and you will have the 11664D admittedly not that good but also a new design based on modern components

Paul B

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From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Dave Brown
Sent: 04 February 2022 20:29
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [HP-Agilent-Keysight-equipment] HP 11664A Detector - DIY equivalent?

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11664D schematic somewhere? The manual in? files section of grps io is ops only, no ccts.

DaveB, NZ

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From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Paul Bicknell
Sent: Friday, February 04, 2022 22:37
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [HP-Agilent-Keysight-equipment] HP 11664A Detector - DIY equivalent?

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I have done as Jeff described a number of times to get someone a working scaler analyser I use the 11664 C detector adapter for frequencies above 18 Ghz?

so if you are making an adapter without using an old 11664 then the circuit used in the D version is actually better and easier to configure to different detectors ?

Also I have seen possibly on this site a modern board lay out using modern components

Paul B

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From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Jeff Kruth via groups.io
Sent: 04 February 2022 09:15
To: tonycox01@...; [email protected]
Subject: Re: [HP-Agilent-Keysight-equipment] HP 11664A Detector - DIY equivalent?

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Yes, I have. Polarity of detector doesnt matter, as the signal is chopped at 27.8 KHz.

Best bet is get a blown detector then remove the detector bulkhead and fashion a small aluminum sheet metal plate to hold a BNC, replacing the bulkhead with this. It is the same as an HP11664C detector adapter. Easy-peasy. Works great.

Jeff Kruth

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In a message dated 2/4/2022 3:52:30 AM Eastern Standard Time, tonycox01@... writes:

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Hi,

I've been looking for a couple of HP 11664 detectors for a network analyser but was put off by the sky high price - even for second hand items of dubious condition.

I've seen a web page showing a DIY equivalent using a?33330B?(positive)?detector and an amplifier replicated from the HP service manual.I was wondering if this is a sensible/realistic thing to attempt? Has anybody ever tried this?

thanks

Tony

Re: HP 11664A Detector - DIY equivalent?

 

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Hi look in the ?photos on this site and you will have the 11664D admittedly not that good but also a new design based on modern components

Paul B

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From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Dave Brown
Sent: 04 February 2022 20:29
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [HP-Agilent-Keysight-equipment] HP 11664A Detector - DIY equivalent?

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11664D schematic somewhere? The manual in? files section of grps io is ops only, no ccts.

DaveB, NZ

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From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Paul Bicknell
Sent: Friday, February 04, 2022 22:37
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [HP-Agilent-Keysight-equipment] HP 11664A Detector - DIY equivalent?

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I have done as Jeff described a number of times to get someone a working scaler analyser I use the 11664 C detector adapter for frequencies above 18 Ghz?

so if you are making an adapter without using an old 11664 then the circuit used in the D version is actually better and easier to configure to different detectors ?

Also I have seen possibly on this site a modern board lay out using modern components

Paul B

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From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Jeff Kruth via groups.io
Sent: 04 February 2022 09:15
To: tonycox01@...; [email protected]
Subject: Re: [HP-Agilent-Keysight-equipment] HP 11664A Detector - DIY equivalent?

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Yes, I have. Polarity of detector doesnt matter, as the signal is chopped at 27.8 KHz.

Best bet is get a blown detector then remove the detector bulkhead and fashion a small aluminum sheet metal plate to hold a BNC, replacing the bulkhead with this. It is the same as an HP11664C detector adapter. Easy-peasy. Works great.

Jeff Kruth

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In a message dated 2/4/2022 3:52:30 AM Eastern Standard Time, tonycox01@... writes:

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Hi,

I've been looking for a couple of HP 11664 detectors for a network analyser but was put off by the sky high price - even for second hand items of dubious condition.

I've seen a web page showing a DIY equivalent using a?33330B?(positive)?detector and an amplifier replicated from the HP service manual.I was wondering if this is a sensible/realistic thing to attempt? Has anybody ever tried this?

thanks

Tony

Re: HP 11664A Detector - DIY equivalent?

 

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11664D schematic somewhere? The manual in? files section of grps io is ops only, no ccts.

DaveB, NZ

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From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Paul Bicknell
Sent: Friday, February 04, 2022 22:37
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [HP-Agilent-Keysight-equipment] HP 11664A Detector - DIY equivalent?

?

I have done as Jeff described a number of times to get someone a working scaler analyser I use the 11664 C detector adapter for frequencies above 18 Ghz?

so if you are making an adapter without using an old 11664 then the circuit used in the D version is actually better and easier to configure to different detectors ?

Also I have seen possibly on this site a modern board lay out using modern components

Paul B

?

From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Jeff Kruth via groups.io
Sent: 04 February 2022 09:15
To: tonycox01@...; [email protected]
Subject: Re: [HP-Agilent-Keysight-equipment] HP 11664A Detector - DIY equivalent?

?

Yes, I have. Polarity of detector doesnt matter, as the signal is chopped at 27.8 KHz.

Best bet is get a blown detector then remove the detector bulkhead and fashion a small aluminum sheet metal plate to hold a BNC, replacing the bulkhead with this. It is the same as an HP11664C detector adapter. Easy-peasy. Works great.

Jeff Kruth

?


In a message dated 2/4/2022 3:52:30 AM Eastern Standard Time, tonycox01@... writes:

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Hi,

I've been looking for a couple of HP 11664 detectors for a network analyser but was put off by the sky high price - even for second hand items of dubious condition.

I've seen a web page showing a DIY equivalent using a?33330B?(positive)?detector and an amplifier replicated from the HP service manual.I was wondering if this is a sensible/realistic thing to attempt? Has anybody ever tried this?

thanks

Tony

Re: HP detector

 

That's true .. I don't really play in the areas below 100MHz, I forget the "low end" response ... but I guess for some people it is important.

On Fri, 4 Feb 2022 at 19:54, Jeff Kruth via <kmec=[email protected]> wrote:
A caveat: The guy said he wanted a 1 MHz to X Mhz detector: Most of the 423/420/Sage/FXR,MACOM etc Microwave detectors roll off (some pretty hard) below 10 MHz. This is due often to the DC return, RF Bypass Cap and the input coupling cap (if there is one). Low frequency coaxial detector design is different from microwave ones. I often build my own, just to show students how easy it is.
Jeff Kruth

In a message dated 2/4/2022 2:01:08 PM Eastern Standard Time, robin=[email protected] writes:
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Just try eBay if you don't find one here.? While the prices of the *unsold* items on eBay are indeed crazy money, if you look at what has actually sold, it is much more reasonable.?? There are some HP 420A for $39 ... good to 12.4GHz
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On Fri, 4 Feb 2022 at 18:51, Hans Eriksen via <ddtech2000=[email protected]> wrote:
See:


Might have a paper copy of the 8471A manual, which (if I can find it) will scan and make available

/Hans

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Re: HP detector

 

A caveat: The guy said he wanted a 1 MHz to X Mhz detector: Most of the 423/420/Sage/FXR,MACOM etc Microwave detectors roll off (some pretty hard) below 10 MHz. This is due often to the DC return, RF Bypass Cap and the input coupling cap (if there is one). Low frequency coaxial detector design is different from microwave ones. I often build my own, just to show students how easy it is.
Jeff Kruth

In a message dated 2/4/2022 2:01:08 PM Eastern Standard Time, robin@... writes:
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Just try eBay if you don't find one here.? While the prices of the *unsold* items on eBay are indeed crazy money, if you look at what has actually sold, it is much more reasonable.?? There are some HP 420A for $39 ... good to 12.4GHz
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On Fri, 4 Feb 2022 at 18:51, Hans Eriksen via <ddtech2000=[email protected]> wrote:

See:


Might have a paper copy of the 8471A manual, which (if I can find it) will scan and make available

/Hans

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Re: HP detector

 

Hans and Eric - thank you, that's very helpful. The Texscan (first time I heard about it) seems to have a very clean spec sheet, sounds like a very good deal for the money.

Robin - that one's pretty good price/spec ratio, but it doesn't seem to quite go as low as I need it (be flat to at least to 1MHz on the low end).?

Thank you all.
Radu.?



On Fri, Feb 4, 2022 at 11:01 AM Robin Szemeti via <robin=[email protected]> wrote:
Just try eBay if you don't find one here.? While the prices of the *unsold* items on eBay are indeed crazy money, if you look at what has actually sold, it is much more reasonable.?? There are some HP 420A for $39 ... good to 12.4GHz


On Fri, 4 Feb 2022 at 18:51, Hans Eriksen via <ddtech2000=[email protected]> wrote:
See:


Might have a paper copy of the 8471A manual, which (if I can find it) will scan and make available

/Hans

Re: HP detector

 

Just try eBay if you don't find one here.? While the prices of the *unsold* items on eBay are indeed crazy money, if you look at what has actually sold, it is much more reasonable.?? There are some HP 420A for $39 ... good to 12.4GHz


On Fri, 4 Feb 2022 at 18:51, Hans Eriksen via <ddtech2000=[email protected]> wrote:
See:


Might have a paper copy of the 8471A manual, which (if I can find it) will scan and make available

/Hans

Re: HP detector

 

See:


Might have a paper copy of the 8471A manual, which (if I can find it) will scan and make available

/Hans
Re: HP detector

 

Hans - I've not been able to track down a datasheet or catalog page for the? HP 8471A. The Keysight website is typically very good at having manuals, catalogs, datasheets, etc. for?vintage HP or Agilent equipment, but for this particular one - and it's the first?time I see a broken link on that website - points to catalog pages that are missing this component. The linked catalog goes to? HP 8471D, E etc.?

Greg - it doesn't have to be HP; it's just I've been told the HP is the gold standard on detectors. Which seems to be reflected in price... But really all I need is good linearity. I have a couple of detectors currently - a vintage "Telonic" that doesn't seem to be worth anything, and a AD8307 active one that's pretty good but I still don't have a solid certainty of its linearity or even suitability. So, if another brand is known to be good (linear and reliable) but less glittery than HP and therefore can be had for less, I'd be interested in hearing about that.?

For instance, Wavetek has a detector which may fit the bill (D-152), but I haven't seen one for sale anywhere currently.?

Thank you,
Radu.?

On Fri, Feb 4, 2022 at 8:44 AM Greg Muir via <big_sky_explorer=[email protected]> wrote:

Does it have to be HP?? For the frequency range that you are dealing with HP detectors seem to be a little overkill.? There are plenty of other manufacturers whose offerings would fit your needs at a much lower price especially if found on that auction site.? And many of them offer frequency ranges up to 10 GHz or more.

?

I have even found detectors installed on RF transmission line directional couplers from old broadcast transmitters that were heading for the scrap yard, were of major manufacture and swept out to 8 GHz.? The price was free.

?

Greg
Re: HP detector

 

Does it have to be HP?? For the frequency range that you are dealing with HP detectors seem to be a little overkill.? There are plenty of other manufacturers whose offerings would fit your needs at a much lower price especially if found on that auction site.? And many of them offer frequency ranges up to 10 GHz or more.

?

I have even found detectors installed on RF transmission line directional couplers from old broadcast transmitters that were heading for the scrap yard, were of major manufacture and swept out to 8 GHz.? The price was free.

?

Greg
Re: HP detector

 

Look at the HP 8471A

0.1 to 1200 MHz and BNC

/Hans
Re: HP detector

 

Look for a HP 8471A

0.1 to 1200MHz and BNC
Re: HP 3314A DC Offset issues

 

Hello;

I repaired a 3314A a while back, I did a bunch of waveform and voltage measurements, I've attached my annotated schematics.

The docs I accumulated are here:

https://xdevs.com/doc/HP_Agilent_Keysight/3314A/

HP 3314A Troubleshooting 1.pdf
HP 3314A Troubleshooting 1.pdf
HP 3314A Troubleshooting 2.pdf
HP 3314A Troubleshooting 2.pdf
HP 3314A Troubleshooting 3.pdf
HP 3314A Troubleshooting 3.pdf
HP 3314A Troubleshooting 4.pdf
HP 3314A Troubleshooting 4.pdf
HP 3314A Troubleshooting 5.pdf
HP 3314A Troubleshooting 5.pdf
HP 3314A troubleshooting 6.pdf
HP 3314A troubleshooting 6.pdf

Re: HP Test Equipment Logo Plates Wanted.

jmfranke
 

I am down to five spares. How many do you need and what is your shipping address?

John Franke WA4WDL
4500 Ibis Ct
Portsmouth, VA 23703

On February 4, 2022 at 12:28 AM "William Kibler via groups.io" <will.kibler@...> wrote:

Greetings, I have a couple pieces of test equipment missing the HP logo plate. The kind that is held in place with the two bumps.?

One is an HP 5326B the other is the venerable 8640B. I¡¯d really like to complete my restorations with some original logos if possible.?

Please let me know where I might acquire a couple. I¡¯d be very grateful.

Thank you.?


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Re: Convert monochrome 5454x scope to color

 

Outstanding! That CCFL what I will need to do soon, display is fairly dim.
Re: HP Test Equipment Logo Plates Wanted.

 

Brian, thank you. I'd like to wait a bit and see if anyone closer has any but if not I would be willing to pay shipping along with whatever you think is fair.
I'm in Michigan.?

-William
Re: HP 11664A Detector - DIY equivalent?

 

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Hi tony there are various pictures of homemade detector adapters in the pictures on this site

Paul B

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From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Tony
Sent: 04 February 2022 09:56
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [HP-Agilent-Keysight-equipment] HP 11664A Detector - DIY equivalent?

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Thanks Jeff - sounds like something I can have a go at. Do you happen to have a picture of your modified detector - be really useful to see the layout.

thanks

Tony
Re: HP 11664A Detector - DIY equivalent?

 

Thanks Jeff - sounds like something I can have a go at. Do you happen to have a picture of your modified detector - be really useful to see the layout.

thanks

Tony
Re: HP 11664A Detector - DIY equivalent?

 

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I have done as Jeff described a number of times to get someone a working scaler analyser I use the 11664 C detector adapter for frequencies above 18 Ghz?

so if you are making an adapter without using an old 11664 then the circuit used in the D version is actually better and easier to configure to different detectors ?

Also I have seen possibly on this site a modern board lay out using modern components

Paul B

?

From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Jeff Kruth via groups.io
Sent: 04 February 2022 09:15
To: tonycox01@...; [email protected]
Subject: Re: [HP-Agilent-Keysight-equipment] HP 11664A Detector - DIY equivalent?

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Yes, I have. Polarity of detector doesnt matter, as the signal is chopped at 27.8 KHz.

Best bet is get a blown detector then remove the detector bulkhead and fashion a small aluminum sheet metal plate to hold a BNC, replacing the bulkhead with this. It is the same as an HP11664C detector adapter. Easy-peasy. Works great.

Jeff Kruth

?


In a message dated 2/4/2022 3:52:30 AM Eastern Standard Time, tonycox01@... writes:

?

Hi,

I've been looking for a couple of HP 11664 detectors for a network analyser but was put off by the sky high price - even for second hand items of dubious condition.

I've seen a web page showing a DIY equivalent using a?33330B?(positive)?detector and an amplifier replicated from the HP service manual.I was wondering if this is a sensible/realistic thing to attempt? Has anybody ever tried this?

thanks

Tony

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