Re: Meaning of red sticker on equipment
Yes, it really is a great read. -Dave On June 11, 2021 11:45:46 AM "nightwind_4" <jhancockhsd@...> wrote: Thanks, Dave --
So many "hints & kinks" on electronic component restoration, which are broadly applicable!
John
-----Original Message----- From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Dave McGuire Sent: Friday, June 11, 2021 8:07 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [HP-Agilent-Keysight-equipment] Meaning of red sticker on equipment
It's here:
-Dave
On 6/11/21 11:04 AM, nightwind_4 wrote:
Dave -- Could you resend a link? I receive a "404" every time that I try to contact
Thanks, John
-----Original Message----- From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Dave McGuire Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2021 8:02 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [HP-Agilent-Keysight-equipment] Meaning of red sticker on equipment
On 6/10/21 10:58 PM, Matt Huszagh wrote:
Ok, after doing a bit of research, it sounds like it can tarnish if it's a gold alloy. Does that sound right?
Think it's worth cleaning these with deoxit? There's an amazing restoration on the eevblog:
a -timebase-restoration/msg172523/#msg172523
The poster does an amazing job of cleaning old BNC connectors. However, I don't have the mechanical skills of that guy (he's a machinist by trade, apparently) and I'm nervous to try it on a triaxial connector as well as these fixture connectors that appear to be quite fragile. I've read that thread. Amazing and beautiful work.
But honestly, if your concerns are not aesthetic, I'd not worry about it unless you actually experience trouble with the connectors.
-Dave
-- Dave McGuire, AK4HZ New Kensington, PA -- Dave McGuire, AK4HZ New Kensington, PA
-- Dave McGuire, AK4HZ New Kensington, PA
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Re: Meaning of red sticker on equipment
Thanks, Dave --
So many "hints & kinks" on electronic component restoration, which are broadly applicable!
John
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-----Original Message----- From: [email protected] < [email protected]> On Behalf Of Dave McGuire Sent: Friday, June 11, 2021 8:07 AM To: [email protected]Subject: Re: [HP-Agilent-Keysight-equipment] Meaning of red sticker on equipment It's here: -Dave On 6/11/21 11:04 AM, nightwind_4 wrote: Dave -- Could you resend a link? I receive a "404" every time that I try to contact
Thanks, John
-----Original Message----- From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Dave McGuire Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2021 8:02 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [HP-Agilent-Keysight-equipment] Meaning of red sticker on equipment
On 6/10/21 10:58 PM, Matt Huszagh wrote:
Ok, after doing a bit of research, it sounds like it can tarnish if it's a gold alloy. Does that sound right?
Think it's worth cleaning these with deoxit? There's an amazing restoration on the eevblog:
a -timebase-restoration/msg172523/#msg172523
The poster does an amazing job of cleaning old BNC connectors. However, I don't have the mechanical skills of that guy (he's a machinist by trade, apparently) and I'm nervous to try it on a triaxial connector as well as these fixture connectors that appear to be quite fragile. I've read that thread. Amazing and beautiful work.
But honestly, if your concerns are not aesthetic, I'd not worry about it unless you actually experience trouble with the connectors.
-Dave
-- Dave McGuire, AK4HZ New Kensington, PA
-- Dave McGuire, AK4HZ New Kensington, PA
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Meaning of red sticker on equipment
John, Could you resend a link? ----------------- Best regards, Goran Finnberg The Mastering Room AB Goteborg Sweden E-mail: mastering@... Learn from the mistakes of others, you can never live long enough to make them all yourself.??? -?? John Luther (\__/) (='.'=) (")_(") Aron, VovVov, Nero & Smurfen:RIP
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Re: Meaning of red sticker on equipment
It's here:
-Dave
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On 6/11/21 11:04 AM, nightwind_4 wrote: Dave -- Could you resend a link? I receive a "404" every time that I try to contact Thanks, John
-----Original Message----- From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Dave McGuire Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2021 8:02 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [HP-Agilent-Keysight-equipment] Meaning of red sticker on equipment
On 6/10/21 10:58 PM, Matt Huszagh wrote:
Ok, after doing a bit of research, it sounds like it can tarnish if it's a gold alloy. Does that sound right?
Think it's worth cleaning these with deoxit? There's an amazing restoration on the eevblog:
-timebase-restoration/msg172523/#msg172523
The poster does an amazing job of cleaning old BNC connectors. However, I don't have the mechanical skills of that guy (he's a machinist by trade, apparently) and I'm nervous to try it on a triaxial connector as well as these fixture connectors that appear to be quite fragile. I've read that thread. Amazing and beautiful work.
But honestly, if your concerns are not aesthetic, I'd not worry about it unless you actually experience trouble with the connectors.
-Dave
-- Dave McGuire, AK4HZ New Kensington, PA
-- Dave McGuire, AK4HZ New Kensington, PA
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Re: Meaning of red sticker on equipment
Dave -- Could you resend a link? I receive a "404" every time that I try to contact Thanks, John
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-----Original Message----- From: [email protected] < [email protected]> On Behalf Of Dave McGuire Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2021 8:02 PM To: [email protected]Subject: Re: [HP-Agilent-Keysight-equipment] Meaning of red sticker on equipment On 6/10/21 10:58 PM, Matt Huszagh wrote: Ok, after doing a bit of research, it sounds like it can tarnish if it's a gold alloy. Does that sound right?
Think it's worth cleaning these with deoxit? There's an amazing restoration on the eevblog:
-timebase-restoration/msg172523/#msg172523
The poster does an amazing job of cleaning old BNC connectors. However, I don't have the mechanical skills of that guy (he's a machinist by trade, apparently) and I'm nervous to try it on a triaxial connector as well as these fixture connectors that appear to be quite fragile. I've read that thread. Amazing and beautiful work. But honestly, if your concerns are not aesthetic, I'd not worry about it unless you actually experience trouble with the connectors. -Dave -- Dave McGuire, AK4HZ New Kensington, PA
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I have been looking for it myself for some time.
My calibration level constants for MDAC appears to be corrupted and appears to be a common thing. Don't know if the EEPROM is just?deteriorating.
I can't figure the reason they don't want to release the software because the 4395A is now considered obsolete.?
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Re: Need info on TO-3 transistor insulator
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On Fri, Jun 11, 2021, 7:23 AM Froggie the Gremlin < jonpaul@...> wrote: Mike, ACK, I have seen the HS to ch?ssis plastic isolation standoff deteriorated.
The extruded HS vendors had slide on plastic clips
We used large dia teflon or porcelaine on occasion.
Curious about the OP need for 220 W dissipating to test an inductor.
Jon
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Re: Need info on TO-3 transistor insulator
Mike, ACK, I have seen the HS to ch?ssis plastic isolation standoff deteriorated.
The extruded HS vendors had slide on plastic clips
We used large dia teflon or porcelaine on occasion.
Curious about the OP need for 220 W dissipating to test an inductor.
Jon
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Re: Need info on TO-3 transistor insulator
Froggie, Re float the HS, I believe HP did this on some of their Bigger bench/rack (older) power supplies, whoever did the mechanical designs on these was not the sharpest tack in the box,, mechanical shocks would dislodge the heatsink and cause all kinds of problems
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On Fri, Jun 11, 2021, 1:52 AM Froggie the Gremlin < jonpaul@...> wrote: Hi, anodized TO-3 oxide films on the insulators were easily punctured, resulting in shorts.
We used kapton and Bergquist TO-3 insulators.
For 220 W suggest,? you bolt direct to your heatsink and float the entire HS.
I have? designed tested and manufactured power magnetics since 1980s, never had to make such a fixture.
So very Interested in exactly what you are testing and the inductor design.
Bon Soir¨¦e
Jon
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Re: Meaning of red sticker on equipment
Red dots are often indication of defective or repair. Looking at the photos, I see cracks in the top face plastic, as well as the oxidized BNCs. This is an indication of poor storage, or mistreatment. ---------------------- Depending upon the cost, you should decide if return and find a better unit is worthwhile. ------------------------ But many pitfalls in ebay returns! Use the procedure " not as described" so ebay sends you a USPS return label. Otherwise you will pay for the freight and may not get the ebay refund.
Bon Chance
Jon
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Re: Need info on TO-3 transistor insulator
Yeah, my rule of thumb is don't count on anodized aluminum being an insulator, and don't count on it being a conductor.? ? And kapton insulators can be punctured by burrs on a heatsink or device flange, so be careful there, too.? Been there, done that.? ? ? ? Jim Ford?
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-------- Original message -------- From: Froggie the Gremlin <jonpaul@...> Date: 6/10/21 8:52 PM (GMT-10:00) Subject: Re: [HP-Agilent-Keysight-equipment] Need info on TO-3 transistor insulator
Hi, anodized TO-3 oxide films on the insulators were easily punctured, resulting in shorts. We used kapton and Bergquist TO-3 insulators. For 220 W suggest,? you bolt direct to your heatsink and float the entire HS. I have? designed tested and manufactured power magnetics since 1980s, never had to make such a fixture. So very Interested in exactly what you are testing and the inductor design. Bon Soir¨¦e Jon
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Re: Need info on TO-3 transistor insulator
Hi, anodized TO-3 oxide films on the insulators were easily punctured, resulting in shorts.
We used kapton and Bergquist TO-3 insulators.
For 220 W suggest, you bolt direct to your heatsink and float the entire HS.
I have designed tested and manufactured power magnetics since 1980s, never had to make such a fixture.
So very Interested in exactly what you are testing and the inductor design.
Bon Soir¨¦e
Jon
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Re: Meaning of red sticker on equipment
On 6/10/21 10:58 PM, Matt Huszagh wrote: Ok, after doing a bit of research, it sounds like it can tarnish if it's a gold alloy. Does that sound right?
Think it's worth cleaning these with deoxit? There's an amazing restoration on the eevblog:
The poster does an amazing job of cleaning old BNC connectors. However, I don't have the mechanical skills of that guy (he's a machinist by trade, apparently) and I'm nervous to try it on a triaxial connector as well as these fixture connectors that appear to be quite fragile. I've read that thread. Amazing and beautiful work. But honestly, if your concerns are not aesthetic, I'd not worry about it unless you actually experience trouble with the connectors. -Dave -- Dave McGuire, AK4HZ New Kensington, PA
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Re: Meaning of red sticker on equipment
Matt Huszagh <huszaghmatt@...> writes: Are they not gold plated? All of the center conductors appear gold. Ok, after doing a bit of research, it sounds like it can tarnish if it's a gold alloy. Does that sound right? Think it's worth cleaning these with deoxit? There's an amazing restoration on the eevblog: The poster does an amazing job of cleaning old BNC connectors. However, I don't have the mechanical skills of that guy (he's a machinist by trade, apparently) and I'm nervous to try it on a triaxial connector as well as these fixture connectors that appear to be quite fragile. Matt
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Re: Meaning of red sticker on equipment
Could possibly even be from the eBay seller. 73 ¨C Mike ? Mike B. Feher, N4FS 89 Arnold Blvd. Howell NJ 07731 848-245-9115 ?
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From: [email protected] < [email protected]> On Behalf Of Ed Breya via groups.io Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2021 9:20 PM To: [email protected]Subject: Re: [HP-Agilent-Keysight-equipment] Meaning of red sticker on equipment ? Miscellaneous stickers could mean anything, from a problem, to drawing attention to certain things for the operator, or even that it's been inventoried during asset accounting. I remember many years ago, whenever it was inventory season, accounting would have new recruits do the physical work of finding everything, listing it, and marking it to avoid confusion later. These people were typically totally clueless about what things were, and just needed to find the stuff - we would often find stickers on CRT faces and such afterward.
The black on the connectors is just tarnish on the silver plated parts, and should not affect operation.
Ed
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Re: Meaning of red sticker on equipment
"Ed Breya via groups.io" <edbreya@...> writes: Miscellaneous stickers could mean anything, from a problem, to drawing attention to certain things for the operator, or even that it's been inventoried during asset accounting. I remember many years ago, whenever it was inventory season, accounting would have new recruits do the physical work of finding everything, listing it, and marking it to avoid confusion later. These people were typically totally clueless about what things were, and just needed to find the stuff - we would often find stickers on CRT faces and such afterward. Ok, good to know. The black on the connectors is just tarnish on the silver plated parts, and should not affect operation. Are they not gold plated? All of the center conductors appear gold. Matt
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Shot in the dark -- does anybody have a 4395A Adjustment Program?
I could even pay a reasonable amount for this...
The Keysight Knowledge Base explicitly says:
=== Cut === The "Performance Test Program" and the "Adjustment Program" for the 4395A and 4396B Combination Analyzers are not available for trade sale. === Cut ===
No wonder they don't sell it -- they charge $1K for basic calibration and $1,500+ for calibration with uncertainties. It is more than what a used working 4395A can be found for...
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Re: Meaning of red sticker on equipment
Miscellaneous stickers could mean anything, from a problem, to drawing attention to certain things for the operator, or even that it's been inventoried during asset accounting. I remember many years ago, whenever it was inventory season, accounting would have new recruits do the physical work of finding everything, listing it, and marking it to avoid confusion later. These people were typically totally clueless about what things were, and just needed to find the stuff - we would often find stickers on CRT faces and such afterward.
The black on the connectors is just tarnish on the silver plated parts, and should not affect operation.
Ed
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Meaning of red sticker on equipment
Hi,
I received a test fixture for a 4145A today (from Ebay, listed used) and noticed a little red sticker on the unit that wasn't in the listing. I've attached a picture. What does this mean?
I've seen a red sticker before on a unit I bought broken, so I sort of assumed this meant the device was non-functional. Is this correct?
The test fixture has a few broken fingers (image also attached). I'm less worried about this since I have a direct replacement for it, but still annoyed.
More concerning is that the center conductor for one of the triaxial connectors looks very blackened (third image, though unfortunately hard to make out in the image). Is this likely to impair functionality, and should I be concerned?
Finally, the center conductors for the BNC connectors look sick (blackened in the same way as one of the triaxials). This should be easier to replace.
I did not pay a "for parts or not working" price for this and the pictures made the unit look ok with the description stating "in very good condition" (in retrospect I should have asked for better images).
Thoughts? I'm well within my 30 day window so I can return it or ask for a partial refund.
Thanks Matt
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Re: hp 35670A option 1D2 swept sine
Thanks,
Yes I have slowly come to the realisation that all this is stored in U27 on A7. This is I believe a 24Co1 EEPROM.
Thanks for the help.
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Mark
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From: [email protected] <[email protected]>
On Behalf Of nj902 via groups.io
Sent: Friday, 11 June 2021 3:08 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [HP-Agilent-Keysight-equipment] hp 35670A option 1D2 swept sine
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The swept sine is very nice to have.? I paid them $1500 for the option upgrade.
As with the 35665A, when you ordered an option upgrade, they sent you a disk with the code to enable it on your serial number.
The analyzer's serial number and firmware options are stored in EEPROM (U27)
If you can find a suitable 'donor' image, you can replace or reprogram your EEPROM to add all the options.
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