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Re: Copying 4145A floppy - a suggestion

 

On 6/3/21 10:04 PM, Larry McElhiney via groups.io wrote:
" dd" doesn't care about disk formats.?

Same in my experience. ?I have copied DOS discs, UNIX disks, ATARI
discs, etc. ?It is is like doing a bit copy on a HD, ¡°1 or 0¡±
...except what is meant by "1" or "0" when you're encoding bits in
different types of flux transmissions? Are you aware of, for example,
FM, MFM, and GCR?

If what you're saying were true, there would be no need for
specialized software like Teledisk and ImageDisk. And the world has
depended on those programs for decades for this reason.

In short, you got lucky.

-Dave

--
Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
New Kensington, PA


Re: Copying 4145A floppy - a suggestion

 

No.

Strictly speaking, you're correct, "dd" itself doesn't care about disk
formats. However, the underlying device driver does, and the floppy
disk controller chip underneath that does.

The Linux fdd driver assumes a certain sector size, number of sectors
per track, number of tracks per cylinder, and number of cylinders per
disk. In the era in which the 4145A was designed, there were no
industry standards for those parameters for 5.25" disks.

Unless it is one of the standard "PC" formats, no, it will not work.
Save yourself a headache and trust me on this; I work with dozens of
different disk formats all the time in my work with the museum. I have
been on this road up, down, and sideways, and have a full section of my
lab dedicated to media recovery from various types of disks and tapes.

-Dave

On 6/3/21 9:58 PM, Bob Stewart wrote:
"dd" doesn't care about disk formats.? It reads records sequentially and
it writes records sequentially.? Unless they've put deliberate bad
sectors on the disk, dd should work.

Bob


On Thursday, June 3, 2021, 8:47:04 PM CDT, Dave McGuire
<mcguire@...> wrote:


On 6/3/21 9:12 PM, Bob Stewart wrote:
"The "A" version uses a 5.25" diskette drive. The boot diskette is hard
sector
with a weird format that I've not been able to copy."

I've renamed this to hopefully avoid threadjacking.

If you have access to Linux, have you tried using "dd" to make an image,
and then using dd put the image on a new disk?
? There's virtually no chance of this working.? This will only work if
the disk is written in one of the few disk formats that are standard on
PCs, which, as I understand it, the 4145A's is not.

? ? ? ? ? ? ? -Dave

--
Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
New Kensington, PA





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New Kensington, PA


Re: Copying 4145A floppy - a suggestion

 

On Thu, Jun 3, 2021 at 09:58 PM, Bob Stewart wrote:
" dd" doesn't care about disk formats.?
Same in my experience. ?I have copied DOS discs, UNIX disks, ATARI discs, etc. ?It is is like doing a bit copy on a HD, ¡°1 or 0¡±

Larry
AC9OX


Re: Copying 4145A floppy - a suggestion

Bob Stewart
 

"dd" doesn't care about disk formats.? It reads records sequentially and it writes records sequentially.? Unless they've put deliberate bad sectors on the disk, dd should work.

Bob


On Thursday, June 3, 2021, 8:47:04 PM CDT, Dave McGuire <mcguire@...> wrote:


On 6/3/21 9:12 PM, Bob Stewart wrote:
> "The "A" version uses a 5.25" diskette drive. The boot diskette is hard
> sector
> with a weird format that I've not been able to copy."
>
> I've renamed this to hopefully avoid threadjacking.
>
> If you have access to Linux, have you tried using "dd" to make an image,
> and then using dd put the image on a new disk?

? There's virtually no chance of this working.? This will only work if
the disk is written in one of the few disk formats that are standard on
PCs, which, as I understand it, the 4145A's is not.

? ? ? ? ? ? ? -Dave

--
Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
New Kensington, PA






Re: Copying 4145A floppy - a suggestion

 

On 6/3/21 9:12 PM, Bob Stewart wrote:
"The "A" version uses a 5.25" diskette drive. The boot diskette is hard
sector
with a weird format that I've not been able to copy."

I've renamed this to hopefully avoid threadjacking.

If you have access to Linux, have you tried using "dd" to make an image,
and then using dd put the image on a new disk?
There's virtually no chance of this working. This will only work if
the disk is written in one of the few disk formats that are standard on
PCs, which, as I understand it, the 4145A's is not.

-Dave

--
Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
New Kensington, PA


Re: Difference between 4145A and B units

 

On 6/3/21 8:54 PM, Lyle Bickley wrote:
In what ways is the 4145B an upgrade from the 4145A? The B seems to sell
for quite a bit more money. But, a quick look at the manual
specifications seems to indicate they have similar capabilities. I
understand the floppy drive was changed? Anything else? Are there
digital upgrades to the B unit?
The "A" version uses a 5.25" diskette drive. The boot diskette is hard sector
with a weird format that I've not been able to copy.
The original, working, HP-labeled boot disk in my 4145A is *not*
hard-sectored.

-Dave

--
Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
New Kensington, PA


Re: Copying 4145A floppy - a suggestion

 

On Thu, Jun 3, 2021 at 09:12 PM, Bob Stewart wrote:
?
If you have access to Linux, have you tried using "dd" to make an image, and then using dd put the image on a new disk?
In my experience (from UNIX on), the dd command will copy anything except master diskettes which have a laser-shot hole in the medium for copy protection. ?Also slower (smaller chunks) seems more reliable.

Larry
AC9OX


Copying 4145A floppy - a suggestion

Bob Stewart
 

"The "A" version uses a 5.25" diskette drive. The boot diskette is hard sector
with a weird format that I've not been able to copy."

I've renamed this to hopefully avoid threadjacking.

If you have access to Linux, have you tried using "dd" to make an image, and then using dd put the image on a new disk?

Bob


On Thursday, June 3, 2021, 7:56:04 PM CDT, Lyle Bickley <lbickley@...> wrote:


On Thu, 03 Jun 2021 17:36:07 -0700
"Matt Huszagh" <huszaghmatt@...> wrote:

> Hello,
>
> In what ways is the 4145B an upgrade from the 4145A? The B seems to sell
> for quite a bit more money. But, a quick look at the manual
> specifications seems to indicate they have similar capabilities. I
> understand the floppy drive was changed? Anything else? Are there
> digital upgrades to the B unit?

The "A" version uses a 5.25" diskette drive. The boot diskette is hard sector
with a weird format that I've not been able to copy.

The "B" version uses a standard 3.5" soft sector diskette. It has a weird
format - but it's capable of being copied or created from a file by Dunfield's
"Imagedisk".

Other than the FDD, the "A" and "B" 4145's are virtually identical.

> Is the contents of the boot diskette different on the B vs the A? I've
> been able to find copies of the B version, but nothing for the A yet.

The contents (files), other than versioning, are nearly identical.

Cheers,
Lyle
--
73? NM6Y
Bickley Consulting West


"Black holes are where God is dividing by zero"






Re: Difference between 4145A and B units

 

On Thu, 03 Jun 2021 17:36:07 -0700
"Matt Huszagh" <huszaghmatt@...> wrote:

Hello,

In what ways is the 4145B an upgrade from the 4145A? The B seems to sell
for quite a bit more money. But, a quick look at the manual
specifications seems to indicate they have similar capabilities. I
understand the floppy drive was changed? Anything else? Are there
digital upgrades to the B unit?
The "A" version uses a 5.25" diskette drive. The boot diskette is hard sector
with a weird format that I've not been able to copy.

The "B" version uses a standard 3.5" soft sector diskette. It has a weird
format - but it's capable of being copied or created from a file by Dunfield's
"Imagedisk".

Other than the FDD, the "A" and "B" 4145's are virtually identical.

Is the contents of the boot diskette different on the B vs the A? I've
been able to find copies of the B version, but nothing for the A yet.
The contents (files), other than versioning, are nearly identical.

Cheers,
Lyle
--
73 NM6Y
Bickley Consulting West


"Black holes are where God is dividing by zero"


Re: 4145B software disk

 

Hi Wayne,

I'd be really interested to know the process for the A unit if you've written something up. This seems like a great solution.

Thanks!
Matt


Difference between 4145A and B units

 

Hello,

In what ways is the 4145B an upgrade from the 4145A? The B seems to sell
for quite a bit more money. But, a quick look at the manual
specifications seems to indicate they have similar capabilities. I
understand the floppy drive was changed? Anything else? Are there
digital upgrades to the B unit?

Is the contents of the boot diskette different on the B vs the A? I've
been able to find copies of the B version, but nothing for the A yet.

Thanks
Matt


Re: HP PN 1855-0418 Part Identification Help

 

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Hello,

and my ass awaits email at

tamhan (aeht) tamoggemon (roundthing) com.


Incidentially, it looks like my private health insurance company FINALLY is able to get me lined up for a SinoPharm or Sputnik shot. Then I can freely travel across Central Europe again, which means the Vienna address opens up again for collecting things.


ATTENTION: deliveries to Vienna run via my family's office. We are not on good terms, so a) a fee will be levied against me and b) packet loss is possible at a chance of like 1%. So please, try to find another address in Austria if at all possible and only send SMALL things as I usually have to haul them to Slovakia to post.


Tam


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On 2021. 06. 03. 22:41, Bernardo Santos wrote:

Tam,?

Thank you very much for your kind offer, I will let you know if I need something, that's very kind of you to offer.

Joarez,

Can you share your e-mail?so I can contact you directly? I'm not sourcing these fets from Multcomercial, but I am afraid that the guy might be selling the same parts with a premium price. Do you have any experience with these? Are these fake?

On Thu, Jun 3, 2021 at 5:15 PM joarez siczkoriz via <jsiczkoriz=[email protected]> wrote:
Hi ,

After several repairs in the line of HP instruments, mainly in HP8903 units, I recommend that the SF83025 be used, compared to the 2N3958 if they are bought in Brazil, mainly in Multicomercial, I'm sorry to say that I'll throw your money in the Trash

Thanks a lot 

Joarez Siczkoriz 

Em quinta-feira, 3 de junho de 2021 12:05:58 BRT, Tam Hanna <tamhan@...> escreveu:


Hello,

I can always order a FET for you with my next Mouser order, and stuff it in an untracked letter.


Tam

- - - - -
With best regards
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On 03.06.21 03:18, Bernardo Santos wrote:
Frank,

Thanks, I could buy those but the truth is that in my country we have to pay more than 100% taxes. One single FET would cost more than a whole minimum wage of salary around here. So I try to avoid importing as much as possible, but it is a possibility if I don't?find a more widely available part. Thank you for pointing me to that ad.

Vladan,

That's really valuable info. Where did you get that from? I've been googling for days and found nothing. I have been looking at a NS 2N3958 datasheet and am wondering if that would do the job. Gfs is at least double the minimum you listed, and Ciss is typically around 3.5pF, but the rest seems ok. Considering these are select parts, what exactly?did HP select them for? I'm asking because you seem to have much more information?than I ever managed to find after many days on google.?

On Wed, Jun 2, 2021 at 9:57 PM pianovt via <pianovt=[email protected]> wrote:
This is a selected part, which means that something similar was widely available, but I can't give you any commercial part numbers. Here is what I have:

National Semiconductor SF83025 or Intersil ITS31087. These are custom numbers, don't bother looking for them in old catalogs. However, see if you can find something similar to the specs below in NS and Intersil books.:

BVgss 40V min
IDss?? 0.5mA min, 5mA max.
Gfs? 0.5mS min.
Vp/Vgs (threshold)? 0.5V min, 4V max
Ciss? 2pF
Vgs match? 10mV
300mW max

These are almost certainly made with two die per package.

Vladan


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FREE CRT house cleaning

 

I'm in the process of thinning my "stuff" collection. I have a number of CRTs
I would like to find a home for. Some are Tex, some HP, and some just generic
CRTs. I got these many years ago from a service shop closing down, so I don't
know the exact condition of any of them. Although my notes below indicate some
appear to be new.

I'm located in Southern New Hampshire, and they are free to the first person
arriving to pick them up.

Here are my notes on the CRTs:
1 Tek Tube markings: 5BGP2, 1-42764, 5-9, P-8660; epoxied base
Box: 154-0175-00 T5430-2 (incorrect markings for tube)
round 513, 531, 535 (retrofit to 535A)

4 Tek Tube Markings: 154-0659-10, 49-3, 65458, 520, N38
This has a 6x10 grid, with an 8x8 grid overlaid. It also
has vertical markings for 0% to 100%.
Box: 154-0659-10 14-8 Apr 10 78
rect 7623, R7623 (early B010100-B010144, later?)

7 Tek Tube Markings: 154-0513-00, 24-5, 7353, 517-P-90
This has what appears to be a vectorscope *grid* on the screen.
Slight burn in the center.
Box: 154-0513-00 Dec 10 1990
round 520, 520A, R520, R520A

8 Tek Tube Markings: 154-0098-00, T0540-2, 33-6, 50555, 206 P2
Box: 154-0081-88 T0510-2 (incorrect markings for tube)
rect 541, 545, R541, R545

9 Tek Tube Markings: 36-0, 54F2, 54-69996, scratched screen
This was double boxed, with the inner box having the
markings: 51P2-154081
round 513, 531, 535, R531, R535 (retrofit to 535A?)

12 Amperex Tube Markings: D14-251GM
Philips Yoke: 2 wire (yellow/yellow) yoke
Box: D15-251GM/A
rect

13 HP Tube Markings: 5083-5861 serial number 422168
Box: Tek 154-0613-00 44-9 4815 (tube appears to be used)
rect

14 United Tube Markings: 5AQP31A 7416
Box: United E.T.C. 5AQP31A
round

- Mark


Re: HP PN 1855-0418 Part Identification Help

 

Joarez, I'll drop you an email, I don't wanna bother you during holidays on whatsapp haha...


On Thu, Jun 3, 2021 at 5:47 PM joarez siczkoriz via <jsiczkoriz=[email protected]> wrote:
I've had problems with these Fets on an HP8569 unit they didn't have the specified features
Below my email and whatsapp

Joarez Siczkoriz
(11)92002 0894

Em quinta-feira, 3 de junho de 2021 17:42:14 BRT, Bernardo Santos <bernardobhz@...> escreveu:


Tam,?

Thank you very much for your kind offer, I will let you know if I need something, that's very kind of you to offer.

Joarez,

Can you share your e-mail?so I can contact you directly? I'm not sourcing these fets from Multcomercial, but I am afraid that the guy might be selling the same parts with a premium price. Do you have any experience with these? Are these fake?

On Thu, Jun 3, 2021 at 5:15 PM joarez siczkoriz via <jsiczkoriz=[email protected]> wrote:
Hi ,

After several repairs in the line of HP instruments, mainly in HP8903 units, I recommend that the SF83025 be used, compared to the 2N3958 if they are bought in Brazil, mainly in Multicomercial, I'm sorry to say that I'll throw your money in the Trash

Thanks a lot

Joarez Siczkoriz

Em quinta-feira, 3 de junho de 2021 12:05:58 BRT, Tam Hanna <tamhan@...> escreveu:


Hello,

I can always order a FET for you with my next Mouser order, and stuff it in an untracked letter.


Tam

- - - - -
With best regards
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On 03.06.21 03:18, Bernardo Santos wrote:
Frank,

Thanks, I could buy those but the truth is that in my country we have to pay more than 100% taxes. One single FET would cost more than a whole minimum wage of salary around here. So I try to avoid importing as much as possible, but it is a possibility if I don't?find a more widely available part. Thank you for pointing me to that ad.

Vladan,

That's really valuable info. Where did you get that from? I've been googling for days and found nothing. I have been looking at a NS 2N3958 datasheet and am wondering if that would do the job. Gfs is at least double the minimum you listed, and Ciss is typically around 3.5pF, but the rest seems ok. Considering these are select parts, what exactly?did HP select them for? I'm asking because you seem to have much more information?than I ever managed to find after many days on google.?

On Wed, Jun 2, 2021 at 9:57 PM pianovt via <pianovt=[email protected]> wrote:
This is a selected part, which means that something similar was widely available, but I can't give you any commercial part numbers. Here is what I have:

National Semiconductor SF83025 or Intersil ITS31087. These are custom numbers, don't bother looking for them in old catalogs. However, see if you can find something similar to the specs below in NS and Intersil books.:

BVgss 40V min
IDss?? 0.5mA min, 5mA max.
Gfs? 0.5mS min.
Vp/Vgs (threshold)? 0.5V min, 4V max
Ciss? 2pF
Vgs match? 10mV
300mW max

These are almost certainly made with two die per package.

Vladan


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Re: HP PN 1855-0418 Part Identification Help

 

I've had problems with these Fets on an HP8569 unit they didn't have the specified features
Below my email and whatsapp

Joarez Siczkoriz
(11)92002 0894
jsiczkoriz@...

Em quinta-feira, 3 de junho de 2021 17:42:14 BRT, Bernardo Santos <bernardobhz@...> escreveu:


Tam,?

Thank you very much for your kind offer, I will let you know if I need something, that's very kind of you to offer.

Joarez,

Can you share your e-mail?so I can contact you directly? I'm not sourcing these fets from Multcomercial, but I am afraid that the guy might be selling the same parts with a premium price. Do you have any experience with these? Are these fake?

On Thu, Jun 3, 2021 at 5:15 PM joarez siczkoriz via <jsiczkoriz=[email protected]> wrote:
Hi ,

After several repairs in the line of HP instruments, mainly in HP8903 units, I recommend that the SF83025 be used, compared to the 2N3958 if they are bought in Brazil, mainly in Multicomercial, I'm sorry to say that I'll throw your money in the Trash

Thanks a lot

Joarez Siczkoriz

Em quinta-feira, 3 de junho de 2021 12:05:58 BRT, Tam Hanna <tamhan@...> escreveu:


Hello,

I can always order a FET for you with my next Mouser order, and stuff it in an untracked letter.


Tam

- - - - -
With best regards
Tam HANNA 

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On 03.06.21 03:18, Bernardo Santos wrote:
Frank,

Thanks, I could buy those but the truth is that in my country we have to pay more than 100% taxes. One single FET would cost more than a whole minimum wage of salary around here. So I try to avoid importing as much as possible, but it is a possibility if I don't?find a more widely available part. Thank you for pointing me to that ad.

Vladan,

That's really valuable info. Where did you get that from? I've been googling for days and found nothing. I have been looking at a NS 2N3958 datasheet and am wondering if that would do the job. Gfs is at least double the minimum you listed, and Ciss is typically around 3.5pF, but the rest seems ok. Considering these are select parts, what exactly?did HP select them for? I'm asking because you seem to have much more information?than I ever managed to find after many days on google.?

On Wed, Jun 2, 2021 at 9:57 PM pianovt via <pianovt=[email protected]> wrote:
This is a selected part, which means that something similar was widely available, but I can't give you any commercial part numbers. Here is what I have:

National Semiconductor SF83025 or Intersil ITS31087. These are custom numbers, don't bother looking for them in old catalogs. However, see if you can find something similar to the specs below in NS and Intersil books.:

BVgss 40V min
IDss?? 0.5mA min, 5mA max.
Gfs? 0.5mS min.
Vp/Vgs (threshold)? 0.5V min, 4V max
Ciss? 2pF
Vgs match? 10mV
300mW max

These are almost certainly made with two die per package.

Vladan


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Re: HP PN 1855-0418 Part Identification Help

 

Tam,?

Thank you very much for your kind offer, I will let you know if I need something, that's very kind of you to offer.

Joarez,

Can you share your e-mail?so I can contact you directly? I'm not sourcing these fets from Multcomercial, but I am afraid that the guy might be selling the same parts with a premium price. Do you have any experience with these? Are these fake?

On Thu, Jun 3, 2021 at 5:15 PM joarez siczkoriz via <jsiczkoriz=[email protected]> wrote:
Hi ,

After several repairs in the line of HP instruments, mainly in HP8903 units, I recommend that the SF83025 be used, compared to the 2N3958 if they are bought in Brazil, mainly in Multicomercial, I'm sorry to say that I'll throw your money in the Trash

Thanks a lot

Joarez Siczkoriz

Em quinta-feira, 3 de junho de 2021 12:05:58 BRT, Tam Hanna <tamhan@...> escreveu:


Hello,

I can always order a FET for you with my next Mouser order, and stuff it in an untracked letter.


Tam

- - - - -
With best regards
Tam HANNA 

Enjoy electronics? Join 13500 followers by visiting the Crazy Electronics Lab at 
On 03.06.21 03:18, Bernardo Santos wrote:
Frank,

Thanks, I could buy those but the truth is that in my country we have to pay more than 100% taxes. One single FET would cost more than a whole minimum wage of salary around here. So I try to avoid importing as much as possible, but it is a possibility if I don't?find a more widely available part. Thank you for pointing me to that ad.

Vladan,

That's really valuable info. Where did you get that from? I've been googling for days and found nothing. I have been looking at a NS 2N3958 datasheet and am wondering if that would do the job. Gfs is at least double the minimum you listed, and Ciss is typically around 3.5pF, but the rest seems ok. Considering these are select parts, what exactly?did HP select them for? I'm asking because you seem to have much more information?than I ever managed to find after many days on google.?

On Wed, Jun 2, 2021 at 9:57 PM pianovt via <pianovt=[email protected]> wrote:
This is a selected part, which means that something similar was widely available, but I can't give you any commercial part numbers. Here is what I have:

National Semiconductor SF83025 or Intersil ITS31087. These are custom numbers, don't bother looking for them in old catalogs. However, see if you can find something similar to the specs below in NS and Intersil books.:

BVgss 40V min
IDss?? 0.5mA min, 5mA max.
Gfs? 0.5mS min.
Vp/Vgs (threshold)? 0.5V min, 4V max
Ciss? 2pF
Vgs match? 10mV
300mW max

These are almost certainly made with two die per package.

Vladan


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Re: How to fix broken HP key

 

Imagine that some of us don't have perfect memory, and
although we have read the entire thread, its details were
softened as the thread dribbled in over several days (weeks?).

Me personally, I read the posts as they come into my email,
and if one interests me, and I think I have something to
contribute, I reply to the post/email. I really have no
interest in treating this as seriously as one might a vocation.

Also, when posters cannot be bothered to quote what they are
responding to, it makes it very hard to keep track of the
earlier details.

I suppose if this drift really bothers you *that* much, you
could start your own group, and moderate the heck out of it,
so drift can never occur...

-Chuck Harris


On Thu, 03 Jun 2021 11:52:55 -0700 "Robert G8RPI via groups.io"
<robert8rpi@...> wrote:
Why don't people read the thread and answer the question.
The OP does NOT have the usual missing leaf spring issue. His issue
is that the gold plated finger contact that contacts the PCB is
missing. This cannot be cut from a fealer gauge or 3D printed.

Robert G8RPI





Re: HP PN 1855-0418 Part Identification Help

 

Hi ,

After several repairs in the line of HP instruments, mainly in HP8903 units, I recommend that the SF83025 be used, compared to the 2N3958 if they are bought in Brazil, mainly in Multicomercial, I'm sorry to say that I'll throw your money in the Trash

Thanks a lot

Joarez Siczkoriz

Em quinta-feira, 3 de junho de 2021 12:05:58 BRT, Tam Hanna <tamhan@...> escreveu:


Hello,

I can always order a FET for you with my next Mouser order, and stuff it in an untracked letter.


Tam

- - - - -
With best regards
Tam HANNA 

Enjoy electronics? Join 13500 followers by visiting the Crazy Electronics Lab at 
On 03.06.21 03:18, Bernardo Santos wrote:
Frank,

Thanks, I could buy those but the truth is that in my country we have to pay more than 100% taxes. One single FET would cost more than a whole minimum wage of salary around here. So I try to avoid importing as much as possible, but it is a possibility if I don't?find a more widely available part. Thank you for pointing me to that ad.

Vladan,

That's really valuable info. Where did you get that from? I've been googling for days and found nothing. I have been looking at a NS 2N3958 datasheet and am wondering if that would do the job. Gfs is at least double the minimum you listed, and Ciss is typically around 3.5pF, but the rest seems ok. Considering these are select parts, what exactly?did HP select them for? I'm asking because you seem to have much more information?than I ever managed to find after many days on google.?

On Wed, Jun 2, 2021 at 9:57 PM pianovt via <pianovt=[email protected]> wrote:
This is a selected part, which means that something similar was widely available, but I can't give you any commercial part numbers. Here is what I have:

National Semiconductor SF83025 or Intersil ITS31087. These are custom numbers, don't bother looking for them in old catalogs. However, see if you can find something similar to the specs below in NS and Intersil books.:

BVgss 40V min
IDss?? 0.5mA min, 5mA max.
Gfs? 0.5mS min.
Vp/Vgs (threshold)? 0.5V min, 4V max
Ciss? 2pF
Vgs match? 10mV
300mW max

These are almost certainly made with two die per package.

Vladan


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Re: How to fix broken HP key

 

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Hi Robert,
Yes true, but having established that and suggested frisking the box for the missing contact, the thread drifted a bit into repairing the busted plastic frame pictured - which may well be how the contact escaped in the first place? - and there was then some question about 3D printing it then the spring came up and someone wanted the dimensions and so it goes, all fair and good questions and sort of related to the OP?

I've often wondered how to better manage the issue of thread drift other than in retrospect and never really come up with a solution but of course adding this sentence to my reply is thread drift.....!

Adrian


On 03/06/2021 19:52, Robert G8RPI via groups.io wrote:

Why don't people read the thread and answer the question.
The OP does NOT have the usual missing leaf spring issue. His issue is that the gold plated finger contact that contacts the PCB is missing.
This cannot be cut from a fealer gauge or 3D printed.

Robert G8RPI


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Why don't people read the thread and answer the question.
The OP does NOT have the usual missing leaf spring issue. His issue is that the gold plated finger contact that contacts the PCB is missing.
This cannot be cut from a fealer gauge or 3D printed.

Robert G8RPI