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Re: non-profit engineering

 

I invoke Godwin's Law.

For those that want to continue this, please decamp to sci.electronics.design, where there is also some extremely high quality electronics information amongst the "OT" threads.

On 12/04/20 13:31, Chuck Harris wrote:
So, Germany has changed to allow its people to wander
the streets wearing swastika's? How about flying the
Nazi flag? How about wearing an SS uniform on a public
square, and loudly exclaiming how you think Hitler had
the right idea, all Jews should be exterminated?


Re: non-profit engineering

 

Please folks, can we kill this thread now? The content is neither edifying or appropriate to this group.
Adrian


Re: non-profit engineering

 

So, Germany has changed to allow its people to wander
the streets wearing swastika's? How about flying the
Nazi flag? How about wearing an SS uniform on a public
square, and loudly exclaiming how you think Hitler had
the right idea, all Jews should be exterminated?

Can you publish a fresh run of Mein Kampf?

I am pretty sure I haven't even scratched the surface
of speech that will get you put in jail in Austria or
Germany.

Edward Snowden proved that big brother is watching
everything you do on line. He might be so overwelmed
by the volume of material that he doesn't act immediately,
but just try running for office as a Republican, and see
what he can pull out of his attic about you.

-Chuck Harris

Martin Rickes wrote:

Carsten is right. I also was scratching my head, living in Germany and
never heard that before, but didn't want to drag this further. But
sometimes, unfortunately, you have to.

Additionally this 'not to post online' as if there's the big brother
watching this list. Come on. This is BS.

Best regards,
Martin

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Carsten Bormann <cabocabo@...> schrieb am So., 12. Apr. 2020, 11:27:

On 2020-04-11, at 18:51, Tam Hanna <tamhan@...> wrote:

But it is unbelievable for Americans that, in Austria and Germany, you
can go to jail 10 years simply for saying things.

Please do not spread misinformation here. There are a lot of people here
who don’t know much about this region of the world and might believe you.

This thread is clearly off-topic and should have been quashed a while ago,
but this kind of misinformation is too dangerous not to reply to.

Grü?e, Carsten







Re: non-profit engineering

 

Carsten is right. I also was scratching my head, living in Germany and never heard that before, but didn't want to drag this further. But sometimes, unfortunately, you have to.

Additionally this 'not to post online' as if there's the big brother watching this list. Come on. This is BS.

Best regards,
Martin

Sent by mobile. Please excuse typos and funny autocorrect.

Carsten Bormann <cabocabo@...> schrieb am So., 12. Apr. 2020, 11:27:

On 2020-04-11, at 18:51, Tam Hanna <tamhan@...> wrote:
>
> But it is unbelievable for Americans that, in Austria and Germany, you can go to jail 10 years simply for saying things.

Please do not spread misinformation here.? There are a lot of people here who don’t know much about this region of the world and might believe you.

This thread is clearly off-topic and should have been quashed a while ago, but this kind of misinformation is too dangerous not to reply to.

Grü?e, Carsten





Re: non-profit engineering

 

On 2020-04-11, at 18:51, Tam Hanna <tamhan@...> wrote:

But it is unbelievable for Americans that, in Austria and Germany, you can go to jail 10 years simply for saying things.
Please do not spread misinformation here. There are a lot of people here who don’t know much about this region of the world and might believe you.

This thread is clearly off-topic and should have been quashed a while ago, but this kind of misinformation is too dangerous not to reply to.

Grü?e, Carsten


FS: HP 16700A LA!

 

Hello all,
I hit a deer in WY with my brand new car. They are probably going to total it. My GAP insurance will pay off the loan but I am probably going to be left on foot. I am getting out of working on electronics. I have a HP 16700A LA and 16700B expansion unit for sale. There are 5 16555D cards in the 16700A. The interconnect cable for the the 16700B is here. There are five pairs of cables for the 16555Ds. There are terminators for the cables and clips. The HDD in the 16700A has been upgraded to a Seagate ST 318417N and there is an external HDD and case connected to the system for extra storage. There is also a SCSI CD-Rom drive and a floppy drive installed in the 16700A. The latest OS has also been installed.
It will take two very large boxes and a smaller box to packaged it up for shipping. So shipping will be expensive. Local pick up is welcome. It operates and all of the cards are good. I will guarantee no DOA. Please make me a fair offer and help me out with this. I will take Paypal F&F, Money Order, Cashiers Check, Personal Check but it will be held until the check clears.
GOD Bless and Thanks,
rich!


Re: [OT] Re: [HP-Agilent-Keysight-equipment] non-profit engineering

 

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I know, I know. But this is a topic one really should not talk about online...


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Yeah...well, it needs to be done. We sunk enough cash into this project, plus the target market needs what we call an "osmanische Klatsche" anyways...too many Muppets and suits farting around, and too many coasters riding on said fart which wafts around the industry.
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Am 12. April 2020 04:38:15 MESZ schrieb Dave McGuire <mcguire@...>:


Oh, well you're screwed then.

I'm drinkin' all of the vodka.

-Dave

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Yeah. But I am the coder...
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Am 12. April 2020 04:34:49 MESZ schrieb Dave McGuire
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Software is almost always safer.

-Dave

On 4/11/20 10:33 PM, Tam Hanna wrote:

I do the same thing. Oh boy. Why can't she just want new shoes,
or want
to shag a callboy.

Embedded software it must be...
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Am 12. April 2020 04:32:23 MESZ schrieb Dave McGuire
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[cackles madly]

I've spent too much time outside in the sun today. For me, that's
anything longer than about fifteen seconds. I'm gonna go get
close to a
bottle of very good vodka. :)

-Dave

On 4/11/20 10:30 PM, Tam Hanna wrote:

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Am 12. April 2020 04:29:33 MESZ schrieb Dave McGuire
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I just cannot resist an opportunity to yank yer chain. ;)

-Dave

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On 4/11/20 4:38 PM, Tam Hanna wrote:

where are you based at at the moment?


If close to Budapest, let us take this offline and look at it
over a beer...


That's the spirit! Etc. ;) *poke* (sorry, couldn't resist!)

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Re: [OT] Re: [HP-Agilent-Keysight-equipment] non-profit engineering

 

Oh, well you're screwed then.

I'm drinkin' all of the vodka.

-Dave

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Software is almost always safer.

-Dave

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I do the same thing. Oh boy. Why can't she just want new shoes,
or want
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Embedded software it must be...
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[cackles madly]

I've spent too much time outside in the sun today. For me, that's
anything longer than about fifteen seconds. I'm gonna go get
close to a
bottle of very good vodka. :)

-Dave

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Are you the Muppet who tries to change my habits re another scope
company naming? If yes, I have a special place in hell for
you...writing
microcontroller software and managed by my wife...
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Am 12. April 2020 04:29:33 MESZ schrieb Dave McGuire
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I just cannot resist an opportunity to yank yer chain. ;)

-Dave

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On 4/11/20 4:38 PM, Tam Hanna wrote:

where are you based at at the moment?


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That's the spirit! Etc. ;) *poke* (sorry, couldn't resist!)

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Yeah. But I am the coder...
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Am 12. April 2020 04:34:49 MESZ schrieb Dave McGuire <mcguire@...>:


Software is almost always safer.

-Dave

On 4/11/20 10:33 PM, Tam Hanna wrote:
I do the same thing. Oh boy. Why can't she just want new shoes, or want
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Am 12. April 2020 04:32:23 MESZ schrieb Dave McGuire
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[cackles madly]

I've spent too much time outside in the sun today. For me, that's
anything longer than about fifteen seconds. I'm gonna go get close to a
bottle of very good vodka. :)

-Dave

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Are you the Muppet who tries to change my habits re another scope
company naming? If yes, I have a special place in hell for
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I just cannot resist an opportunity to yank yer chain. ;)

-Dave

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where are you based at at the moment?


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Re: [OT] Re: [HP-Agilent-Keysight-equipment] non-profit engineering

 

Software is almost always safer.

-Dave

On 4/11/20 10:33 PM, Tam Hanna wrote:
I do the same thing. Oh boy. Why can't she just want new shoes, or want
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Embedded software it must be...
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[cackles madly]

I've spent too much time outside in the sun today. For me, that's
anything longer than about fifteen seconds. I'm gonna go get close to a
bottle of very good vodka. :)

-Dave

On 4/11/20 10:30 PM, Tam Hanna wrote:

Are you the Muppet who tries to change my habits re another scope
company naming? If yes, I have a special place in hell for
you...writing
microcontroller software and managed by my wife...
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I just cannot resist an opportunity to yank yer chain. ;)

-Dave

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On 4/11/20 4:38 PM, Tam Hanna wrote:

where are you based at at the moment?


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I do the same thing. Oh boy. Why can't she just want new shoes, or want to shag a callboy.

Embedded software it must be...
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[cackles madly]

I've spent too much time outside in the sun today. For me, that's
anything longer than about fifteen seconds. I'm gonna go get close to a
bottle of very good vodka. :)

-Dave

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Are you the Muppet who tries to change my habits re another scope
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I just cannot resist an opportunity to yank yer chain. ;)

-Dave

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On 4/11/20 4:38 PM, Tam Hanna wrote:

where are you based at at the moment?


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-Dave

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I just cannot resist an opportunity to yank yer chain. ;)

-Dave

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On 4/11/20 4:38 PM, Tam Hanna wrote:

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Re: [OT] Re: [HP-Agilent-Keysight-equipment] non-profit engineering

 

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Are you the Muppet who tries to change my habits re another scope company naming? If yes, I have a special place in hell for you...writing microcontroller software and managed by my wife...
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Am 12. April 2020 04:29:33 MESZ schrieb Dave McGuire <mcguire@...>:


I just cannot resist an opportunity to yank yer chain. ;)

-Dave

On 4/11/20 10:27 PM, Tam Hanna wrote:
I know, I know. But this is a topic one really should not talk about
online...
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Am 12. April 2020 04:05:19 MESZ schrieb Dave McGuire
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On 4/11/20 4:38 PM, Tam Hanna wrote:

where are you based at at the moment?


If close to Budapest, let us take this offline and look at it
over a beer...


That's the spirit! Etc. ;) *poke* (sorry, couldn't resist!)

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I just cannot resist an opportunity to yank yer chain. ;)

-Dave

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On 4/11/20 4:38 PM, Tam Hanna wrote:

where are you based at at the moment?


If close to Budapest, let us take this offline and look at it
over a beer...


That's the spirit! Etc. ;) *poke* (sorry, couldn't resist!)

-Dave

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I know, I know. But this is a topic one really should not talk about online...
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Am 12. April 2020 04:05:19 MESZ schrieb Dave McGuire <mcguire@...>:

On 4/11/20 4:38 PM, Tam Hanna wrote:
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If close to Budapest, let us take this offline and look at it over a beer...

That's the spirit! Etc. ;) *poke* (sorry, couldn't resist!)

-Dave

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On 4/11/20 4:38 PM, Tam Hanna wrote:
where are you based at at the moment?


If close to Budapest, let us take this offline and look at it over a beer...
That's the spirit! Etc. ;) *poke* (sorry, couldn't resist!)

-Dave

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Re: Fixing a sick 4332A LCR meter

 

Joel,

Sorry I had to step away from this project for a bit. So far it seems to be working fine with no further faults.

Perhaps the heat of soldering "fixed" another solder joint; I'll certainly be keeping an eye. That said, one of the symptoms I was seeing that makes sense in retrospect is a mis-leveled output signal on the unknown terminals. Since Q1 does form what is essentially an ALC loop with the voltage comparator IC3, a bad joint on Q1 certainly might affect the ability of the oscillator output to be leveled properly.

I might like to get one or two extra Q1's on hand just in case this one has an intermittent leg or something.

As to calibrated C and L from the parts bin, please do tell.

Sean


On Sat, Apr 4, 2020 at 01:26 AM, Joel Setton wrote:
Sean,

It works again -- congratulations !!!!!

This is great news, indeed. Another good news is that now, you have a good knowledge of how this instrument works !
You may want to have a close look at surrounding soldered joints, especially the R's and C's in the Wien bridge and relay K1, because one of them was the culprit when the oscillator was running at 12 kHz. A defective or mis-soldered Q1 couldn't change the frequency.
The next step is calibration... of course very few of us are lucky enough to have all the required standard capacitors and inductors. But if you're willing to spend some time on the project, there's a number of things you can do to calibrate capacitors and inductors from your spare parts bin. If you'd like to share some ideas on this, just let me (let us) know.
And if you want to replace Q1, I have a few New Old Stock 1855-0082s (not a "close equivalent", they're the real thing from HP!) on hand. Just let me know.

Again, congratulations for a job well done. You just saved another HP instrument from the scrap heap !!!!

Joel


Re: HP70004 power supply

 

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The HP/Agilent 70004A manual is available @Artek Media for $25USD for both the Service Manual and Clip Set (schematics, parts layout, etc). ?I don’t think you can get better quality and info from anywhere else - including Agilent/Keysight as it is obsolete.


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Hello,

where are you based at at the moment?


If close to Budapest, let us take this offline and look at it over a beer...

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On 2020. 04. 11. 22:15, sniper.asys@... wrote:

Not?sure to what?avail, but I decided to chime in regarding two of the aforementioned topics.?

First, I came to understand that corruption works on a different scale in Europe and in the US.?

I'd say that in Europe - particularly in the eastern half thereof -, corruption is widespread on?average, but it's proportional to longitude and inversely proportional to latitude (sorry, Spain, Italy, Greece, Balkans and Central and Eastern Europe).:)
Where I live (admittedly kind of a private dung heap of a petty tyrant nowadays), corruption has always been pervasive from the highest to the lowest levels of government. Although the criminal justice system has?been generally functional, in the 90s and early 2000s you were definitely able to get out of a traffic ticket pretty easily by paying a 50 or 100 EUR bribe.

In most of Western Europe, buying your?way out of traffic violations or crimes is basically unheard of, although obviously corruption is there in the higher tiers of government. You know, where the money is. The EU exercises pretty lax control over the funds it pours into R&D and infrastructure projects and this naturally paves the way for all kinds of abuse.

I came to understand that the situation in the US is similar to that in Western Europe, with an important catch: the mega-corporations over there have taken corruption to an entirely different level. If you follow the course of events regarding the recently proposed Right to Repair legislation in several states, it becomes clear that lobbyists - on the payroll of interest groups of major players in industry and commerce - have derailed bills that would've clearly benefited an enormous group of people. This is of course not the first time they've decided to get rid of rules and laws that would negatively affect their profit margins, or, conversely, introduce legislation that benefits them. And the situation has deteriorated ever since (now many decades ago) Eisenhower warned the electorate about the impending dangers of the runaway military-industrial complex. The amount of funds the federal government is handling is simply too high. This kind of influence is obviously present in Europe as well (huge corporations having their way), albeit not nearly on this scale.

Second, Tam, I'd really appreciate a link where I can see for myself that I could go to prison for libel or slander or defamation for 10 years in Germany or Austria. I've?been toying?with the idea of moving there for some time.

Cheers,
Gabor

On Sat, Apr 11, 2020 at 6:51 PM Tam Hanna <tamhan@...> wrote:
Nah, no hard feelings man. But it is unbelievable for Americans that, in
Austria and Germany, you can go to jail 10 years simply for saying things.


An average rapist or murderer does less, by the way.

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On 2020. 04. 11. 18:50, Dave McGuire wrote:
> On 4/11/20 12:48 PM, Tam Hanna wrote:
>> nah, this was NOT funny.
>? ? Oops.? That was not my intention, my apologies.
>
>> I risked arrest due to her cussing about a strange malady which hits
>> some people and hit a mutual acquaintance of ours whom we, due to fate,
>> do not like too much. First it affects the mind, and then it has all
>> kinds of damages. And we were musing about how AIDS, Cancer and all we
>> would maybe have celebrated, but this is a bit much for the poor guy.
>? ? Ouch. :-(
>
>> As for why Dorit is an ex: that is a? loooong story, and I already
>> procrastrinate too much.
>? ? I know the feeling. ;)
>
>? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? -Dave
>